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Weah96:
Missed it, not evaded. What was your question again?

You implied the big bang is evident and one can gather that the planets and outer bodies are in expanditory motion.
My question is why then do we have some bodies orbiting others?

Weah96:
If you break down the elements involved in the mishap, every requirement was met according to the needs of nature.

Paul Walker was a passenger in a vehicle that costs half a million dollars. The car is well known for being difficult to handle. Speed, car with difficult handling, potentially drunk driver, 8 lane paved street, everything was present.

Those things are only accidents because they weren't PLANNED in advance. But from the point of few of nature, it was. Anyone who repeats the scenario with those exacts parameters and conditions, will meet the same fate. It's like adding 2+2.

Whenever Messi scores a goal, or Lebron puts up 35, those moments don't represent accidents. This is true in spite of the fact that the goals were not planned in advance.

What makes it an accident is the assumed preconceived intention of the subject. But from the point of view of nature, Paul Walker's accident consisted of all the NECESSARY and sufficient requirements. Even his own height and weight were necessary elements. Some people survive worse vehicular collisions? Why is that?

You evaded my question session.I hope all is well.

menesheh:
Reread

Are you evading? This is a brilliant chance to enlighten a "myth believer" like myself.

menesheh:
not actually.

So what,actually.

menesheh:
Read again. This time, you have to read between the line.

I did and gathered that you are looking for evidence to disprove God's existence. Am I about right?

menesheh:
I've written a thread about this similar topic before but in a more different intonation to this one.

There is this saying, 'extraordinary claims requires extraordinary evidence'
Since the evidence for the existence of god and its claims is not strong enough and scientific findings are continuously going against stuffs writen in various holy books like the bible.

Should we use faith to accept that god exists and also accept various divine claims written in those holy books or should we rather do away with those stuffs, change our presuppositions and embrace scientific facts with evidence and proofs?


Faith is a feeling, conviction, or belief that something is true or real, not contingent upon reason or justification. Believing a proposition when there is no evidence in support of.
It is confidence or trust in a person or thing or a belief not based on proof. It may also refer to a particular system of religious belief.

Scientific evidence is evidence which serves to either support or counter a scientific theory or hypothesis. Such evidence is expected to be empirical evidence and interpretation in accordance with scientific method. Standards for scientific evidence vary according to the field of inquiry, but the strength of scientific evidence is generally based on the results of statistical analysis and the strength of scientific controls.


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What is your point.

Addietunes:
Please i don't get you, are you saying therr is no concrete evidence for evolution? if that is what you are saying, then i think you are one of the people that would not make their researches well and would defend Christianity even if they are wrong. Evolution of species on earth us something that no normal human would say it's false. Please next time make your researches well before spewing trash.

Why don't you enlighten me instead of what you wrote up there.

Weah96:
You mean the ripple effect. It's calmer the closer one gets to the epicenter. The further away from the point of origin, the more the thing keeps expanding.

No, I understand that mercury would move way from this epicenter at a much less velocity as opposed to earth, what I dont understand is how this explosion could cause some bodies to be revolving around others,how does this explosion cause a circular motion.

Weah96:
I don't know. But all the evidence points to the fact that an explosion occurred, separating everything you currently see today from an infinitesimally tiny point. Everything is one, which explains the need for the same basic unit of organization.

Evidence?
Some bodies revolve around others are they also moving away from this "infinitesimally tiny point" as per the explosion? Can any big bang believer elaborate?

victory30:
ur conclusion of one truth is malicious.for example,science said man evolved 4rm acquatic ansestors 2ru amphibians,reptiles etc.But religion says God created man(no evolving,he was just made).if iam wrong,i like 2 b corrected.

I should have added that one finds God faster(religion).
Science hypothesizes evolution, there is no concrete evidence,am even sure there has been other hypothesis in the past,it's all a very good effort at "try and error".

When one theory disproves another and our quest for answers leave more questions, it will serve as the beginning of the acknowledgement of God.

Addietunes:
The picture below shows 10 discoveries that has been proven wrong with religion. You can add more to the list if you can.

Science and religion both are man's way of finding God, one makes use of knowledge the other of wisdom, methods employed are different but all will lead man to one truth.

Weah96:
The universe created itself through its mother nature and father time.

And you know this how? Are you talking big bang?(I don't mind an epistle now)

Weah96:
Not really. Your contribution will be considered by me.

Ok.
What do you know or think is source of creation(I don't want an epistle)

theunusualmoon:
Hello weah96,
You and I have had a few chats over time.I think it is high time we had an elaborate one.You seem to always try to riducule every post that aligns with GODly beliefs on NL and I think it will be nice if you can just give me one reason why you believe GOD does not exist.I ask for this in a bid to give you something to think about.

Is this thread restricted?

aaronson:
I thought atheists tends to be aggressive and salty but your pastor could come on this thread and see how militant and psychopath his member is acting out.

Scratch that, get yourself a copy of English comprehension first.

aaronson:
Perfect answer,"The question is in 2 folds" lol just what I wanted to prove the denial defence mechanism of christians!

Go back and my posts in response to yours, then come again.If you cant reason properly then don't bother.

Your concerns and fears stem from prolonged exposed to twisted gospel. Christ didn't come to preach hell or much about heaven either but rather the kingdom of God, it's totally different, one is the possible reward and the other is about the behavior to make one deserving.

The word emphasizes that we do not judge, even after giving us all the 'guidelines'. As a matter of fact we can look at this yardstick and easily make our own judgment and that of others but the bible doesnt assert to this.
In have a deep and genuine thrust that judgement wont be as "one sided" as we think.

In the day's past when the disciples started propagating the gospel, their demeanor and lifestyle lead people to brand them,we Christians owe it unbelievers and other religious folk to see the 'christ' in our lives and induce a deep search and rethink irrespective background, religion or bearing.

goddeyooo:
I am in a fix now , I gave my life to Christ about 2 years ago and I have being doing fine, growing up spiritually , going for missions and by God's grace the lord has being faithful in using me to do some great things in his vineyard within this short period. But I have come to see that the emotional life is different from the Spiritual , all this period I have meant ladies but when it comes to relationship wise I discovered alot of our people in church pretend and not just real meanwhile some are very genuine. I am of age , through with school and doing fine , I believe I should get a girl now to settle down while thinking of this , I recently met one of my ex-girlfriend and seems I have found love again, she has a very good character but we use to commit sin then , I believe u understand what I mean, but apart from that, she has very good character more than the so called Christian sisters that I have meant though shes of different religion but a moralist, she was very supportive those years. But something happened yesterday, she came to greet me and we hanged out with some of my friends, so when it was evening I told my friends I have to go and drop her at the nearest busstop, when we got there and she was about getting down from the car she held my hand and said I still love you and hope one day we will come back, I didn't know what to do, like the atmosphere in the car changed, the temperature became different , plus for that short period, My body became charged too, then we said good bye, as I was driving back I couldn't concentrate, I feel like calling her to tell her I have the same thing in mind , but something is also pulling me back saying if u go you will fornicate you have done that several time with her before plus shes not born again plus I have a ministry that has to do with village outreach and pastors have being telling me I cant marry anyhow lady . Pls I need advice what can I do . I will appreciate a candid advice and experienced pastors too can pls drop there opinion and views.

Christianity is all about Christ in us, exuding Christ,thats even how the disciples earned the 'title' Christians.If you feel she could make advances toward you and that could possibly lure you then it means she can't feel the supposed 'new' you.You might be only a Christian in your own eyes.Use this opportunity to reflect and make your stance in Christ known, not just through your words but actions and demeanor too.


I sincerely won't comment on your topic again.

aaronson:
As for christianity, the bible says stone your "child to death" Dueteronomy 21: 18-21

And you see someone do this somewhere? Or ask why no one does that?.


The question is in 2 folds, go on.

aaronson:
Religion is an institutionalized belief system for population control making the individual believe they build on their morality. Religion indoctrination makes you do what you instructed to do no matter what's wrong or right.

And what are those you do that are right that 'religion' indoctrination teaches otherwise and things you won't do that 'religion' indoctrination teaches otherwise(limit to Christianity).

MrPresident:
religion is a slavery process in which slaves are convinced that there is an old whiteman living in the sky who will punish them if they dont eat the flesh and drink the blood of his dead son.
the slaves are also made to eat live snakes, spend days without eating, bring 10% of their earnings, shout holyghost-fire to their enemies, travel to die in collapsed illegal structure, etc. hoping that they will see this old whiteman in the sky when they die.

You are shallow.
Let me enlighten you on slavery.
Slavery is when the very phone you use gives you cancer and you use the same phone to call the doc about it.
Slavery is when the air conditioner you use depletes the ozone layer, making the air hotter and causing you to need it even more.
You are not as free as you think, but a "freerer" man choses and it's aware of his own slavery.

ifeness:
Silly

My point exactly.
And here i thought you were dumb.

ifeness:
There is no god.

Then don't bother, cause soon enough everything tied to Him will come to naught.The bible says so even.

Weah96:
Fake miracle. What does it say about a God who allows this deception?

Nothing. A handful of humans are deceiving a large number of humans. It's business as usual indeed. Bernie Madoff would be proud.

Let it all grow then on the day of harvest we can gather and sort, the word of God is abundantly clear besides
If he did show up and expose this supposed fake miracle, your first response would be that why didnt he show up earlier?

Humans, sometimes shortsighted, others narrow sighted but mostly confused bunch.( it applies for all)

Half the post is squandered in subtlety emphasizing that atheists can or once held religious beliefs then later on realised its untruth and retracted, that half is pointless sitting that unbelievers also find the faith after years of unbelief.
Its also actually harder to disbelief than belief, atheism is supposed to be a stance characterized by the search but lack of belief many share this stance but don't realise or are afraid to acknowledge it, hence it's supposed prevalence is not unfathomable.

Op don't get it twisted, when a mango falls from its tree it doesn't become a guava, it's still mango it's only fallen, the only reason it becomes a guava is if wasn't a mango in the first place(hope you know warra mean).That topic needs changing.

menesheh:
Yes, i did

So you keep saying.

menesheh:
I asked a question

No, you think you did.

menesheh:
why is it that adam and even did not find it strange that a serpent is talking to them?

What is your point?.

freecocoa:
Yea Tpia, google is my emeny.

So what do you want to prove or draw our attention to.

frank317:
Religion is crumbling the world. Islam is taking lives in thousands, Christianity is turning people into zombie and retards.
If you can handle the heat don't buy AC. If u can stay in darkness don't buy generator and help save our air.
Your Jesus screamed at the top of his voice to preach to five thousand hungry men, he didn't even think of magically bringing forth a loud speaker when was using magic to feed them with five loves of bread and two fishes.
Worst still he didn't teach you to magically pray for cool air when the weather gets hot.
And I pray you the pleasure u feel when u enter an air conditioned room does not chock u to death.

There are atheists and there are confused people, you are the latter.

Weah69 am waiting for your response.

Weah96:
You forgot the internet and WiFi, the scientists invented those too. If you're going to be a Luddite, you must relinquish you social media accounts and stop watching commercials.

Good humans are those who only do those things that they wouldn't mind being done back to them. I, for example, cannot tell a lie comfortably. It bothers me somehow. You guys have no problem with it at all, believing that the issue is bigger than yourself. Thou shall not lie, unless you're telling someone that Jesus SPOKE to you. Then it is an accepted lie, because it is told in the interest of the God.

Technology needs humans to operate it. When most humans are telling lies, the technology ends up in the hands of liars.

I didn't but I inferred them too, the air conditioner that cools your room warms the environment by depleting the ozone layer causing you to need it even more, you pick up the phone to call the doctor about the cancer completely oblivious that it gave it to you.

My previous post was to help you realise your narrow mindedness that the world is fast crumbling and religion hasn't gotten anything on it.
As regards to your earlier concern, technology would be its own undoing, when the world finally realise we are at the mercy of our own handiwork.

menesheh:
Thanks for your last sentence. What's the need for religion then since religion does nothing but rather encourages vices in some way or the other. Researches show that non-religious believer tends to commit less crime than religious believers, typical example is Japan. I used indirectly to elaborate how religion can encourage such, i didn't infer that as absolute.

Where does most technological advancement that lead to sophisticated weaponry happen?.Most of these people and countries are not religious.

The quest for knowledge, development and supremacy have festered crimes and violence both directly and indirectly more than any religion ever will.

You line of reasoning is weak and narrow.( no offense)