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donnffd:
That cannot be regarded as Evil, thats just laws or rules.

Evil is anything that causes strife, hardship, misery and death.

Man can be Evil, Nature can be Evil

If you claim that man's evil is as a result of his free-will, then how do you explain Nature's own?

"Evil is anything that causes strife, hardship, misery and death."
To one self or another and I presume most likely, this pertains to humans alone.

But why should 'suddenly' need to factor in the welfare of other, so badly that if I don't my actions are termed "evil". Is the cause likely human? If you died, that means more food for me and my chances of survival is now even better, you are also less likely to pollute the environment if you are down in a six feet.

My emotions not hinged on yours either. When and why did we draw the line and decide to brand things "evil" if according to you we decided this on our own.

donnffd:
I just want to ask this question following this logic:-

1. You cant give what you dont have.
2. God doesn't have an iota of Evil
3. God created all things in the universe
4. There is Evil in the universe.


So my question is where exactly did evil originate from, if God is devoid of it (and please the devil is not an answer because he too was created by God)?


Please only matured theists are invited to attempt the question, thanks.

cc: shadeyinka, lordnicklaus, doctoralien e.t.c

Say I created a lab full of robots, and I tell them not to stand by the oscilloscope, now standing there in itself means nothing or probably harms no one. But I go a step further and call the act of standing by the oscilloscope scoping, a term which later and inevitably becomes detering in itself as it's seen to be directly against the will of the scientist.

The only ingredient you need to actually scope or not is freewill, and that he has given you.

So scoping or metering( standing by the multi meter, yeah that too) may not be "bad" or "evil" in themselves but anything that the scientist says or anything against what he says is.

Hope you get me.

realmindz:
All u have displayed = Religion

I doubt that I can vouch for Mohammed.

CoolUsername:
Carbon dating is not the only form of radiometric dating. They're are other chemical isotopes of elements that are used.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Radiometric_dating?_e_pi_=7%2CPAGE_ID10%2C2693982592

Endeavour to read this.

My post isn't restricted to carbon dating alone, am merely asking if there is the chance for measurements to be false beyond certain years.

ValentineMary:
If we did not have to adapt to foreign conditions.

Half of these foreign conditions are just nature's own way of restoring the offset caused by man's actions, the other is half more or less even necessary.

If actions didn't have reactions, the foundations of the world would tremble, in short I don't thing there can be any better suited world for man ,not one we can even imagine anyways...

Antiparticle:
Ok, I'm moving away from radiometric dating, although I still hope you would respond by justifying, for example, why radiometrically dating rocks from fallen asteroids would give us the wrong results. I specifically chose asteroids (within our solar system) because they require less assumptions (than rocks on earth or fossilized organic matter) for radiometric dating. Yet these asteroid rocks show dating results that are consistent with the oldest rocks found on earth. Why?

We have dated rocks from the earth and across the solar system, and the results are consistent, our solar system is over 4 billion years old while the earth is slightly younger (these two findings are empirically consistent with the idea that the earth was formed from the contents of the sun, which is the star of our solar system).

I will be quick,
How possible will it be for radiometric dating to falsely predict with accuracy beyond certain years. Say beyond 2000 years it starts "guessing".
We would really not know, no one is that old to tell it's a lie. Can we just hope it's correct cause has done it before?
Won't be the first time it got something wrong or experienced a 'partially correct truth'.

Just saying.

ValentineMary:
This is very interesting. I stand on the opinion that nature does not have humans in mind. We are in the hand of "God" as my religious folks would say. But it is quite obvious we are at nature's mercy. Take a look at the recent hurricane Matthew. If not for the modern tech used to predict it, the catastrophe would be worse. Nature does not respect sex or race. Lightling kills thousands annually. Does that show that nature has regards for human lives let's take a look at the dinosaurs for example. How did they all die? nature killed them and many planets has gone through similar war. Showing the unjust chastisment of nature.

But if nature is not ment for us, how are we here I think the ans is obvious. Adaptation. We have developed our body molecules and physiology such that any slight escape from our atmosphere without space suit would lead to immediate death. We are dependent on earth so much, we get our oxygen, food, etc from it. We see a serene environment just as an amoeba thinks the pond is perfect for it. Right temp, salinity, pH, etc. But the amoeba adapted it's molecules and physiology to those conditionst just as we did with earth.

Under what circumstances would you have said the earth was created for man.
An example or two.

hopefulLandlord:
you sound ignorant and angry, two horrible combination

you don't even know what The Flying Spaghetti Monster is

Ignorant and angry because you said so or? ...OK am outta here you don't much to say.

johnydon22:
I tailor my posts with exactly what your religion does, you may claim what ever you like - exactly not my business.

I take it that you don't have a verse for me then?

johnydon22:
Biggest circus show in the world just turned out to be Christianity.

You got the verse Jesus directs his follows to sell stuff to people? I know you don't know this, but Christianity means followers of Christ. Tailor your future posts with this in mind.

hopefulLandlord:
oga, I recommended my own true God to him, kindly recommend yours to him too if you have one

the sky is big enough for many birds to fly without colliding

You can't recommend him without trying to ridicule mine? You wouldn't have any basis for your assertion and post if Christianity didn't exist then.

Cornerstone99:
Please advice me....

I don't know the way!


#Palmchat #Nairaland

Were you born into Christianity? If not why are you searching, what prompted you. Why did you come here, online to seek answers? What do you hope to find?.

hopefulLandlord:
the one true God is The Flying Spaghetti Monster

Pastafarianism is the one true religion

if you become a Pastafarian, you'll be entitled to a beer volcano and stripper factory in afterlife

compare that to the 2 other lesser gods

1 Yahweh promises "eternal bliss" and you'll be singing forever in the mansion a carpenter builds for you, a mansion without sex *spits*

2 Allah promises 72 Virgins which look good on the surface but deeper look shows that strippers are much better than virgins when it comes to sex

accept FSM into your life today, there's enough beer volcanoes and stripper factories to go round

Your post is mischievous and reeks of ignorance but I will savage what's left and point out that Jesus was preview to untold knowledge about heaven and hell, regardless, he practised and preached love, peace and humility.

People of this generation have reduced Christianity to profit and benefits,little wonder why this guy made this post without thinking twice.

byteHead:
Empathy and compassion should be our moral guide. And these can be developed without religion.

Back off a little, what moral guide? , I want to survive and I don't need you to, why this suddenly need to accommodate anyone.

Wilgrea7:
its the same thing.
when the bible is exploited the masses who don't study it get wrong info nd live their life based on it believing they are right... nd I'm not just talking about Christianity.. I'm talking about religion as a whole

You just don't get it.

EyeHateGod:
And also humans to? are we perfect?

If we were then here won't be an expectation of us, it would be assumed we will do, cause we are perfect.

All am saying is sin is doing your own bidding.

byteHead:
Religion originated in fear and curiosity.

Religion implies d renouncement of human reason and justice. It is d most decisive negation of human liberty and necessarily ends in d enslavement of mankind both in theory and practice.

Justice? Pls tell me how man would have naturally come to practice justice, my survival isn't just not based on yours it's even more likely without you polluting and consuming half of what would have been mine alone.

EyeHateGod:
Religion Feeds on our Lazyness

So you are occupied then? What have you achieved thus far.

Wilgrea7:
Religion has really changed the world... it has changed many of us..

I've come to understand something..
a Christian can give u proof he is right
a muslim can give u proof he is right
a jew can give u proof he is right

then who is really right?
which religion is really true
for the Christians... what if u die and find out the Muslims were correct
for the Muslims.. what if u die and find out the Christians were correct..
what z the base of ur truth rather than a book which tells u it is true?

has religion really blinded us
people now claim holier than thou yet they can't help their fellow man in need
they will rush to pay tithes but will never donate a dine to that legless man on the road. religious wars still continue till tomorrow
sometimes i wonder... is religion really helping us

i know one idiot will like to say Christianity isn't a religion.... pls slap anyone u catch saying that

but seriously .. where are we headed??

If you acknowledge the fact that they have proof then why can't you understand their stance.

I follow scriptures and I will admit that we pale in comparison to people of those times, their love, faith and attitude in God is exceedingly lacking.

But you can't pitch the problems of the world at Christianity's doorstep, Jesus lead a peaceful,kind,loving and blameless life and asked all to do same, the kind of lives we lead are really independent of this, but can be guided by this. People just finding ways to exploit the Bible to achieve their aims, with or without the Bible this won't change. You probably do too but not within this confines, so why can't you see its in the heart of man to continual do bad.

Want something to blame? Blame yourself.

EyeHateGod:
Are humans not animals?

According to science, regardless, even as humans we expect different things from different animals according to their nature. They stay true to how God made them.

donnffd:
Lol...Arrogance would get you nowhere...you think you are sooooo intelligent that the little thing you say is beyond everyone's comprehension, smh.

Anyways, i would love to see you survive in the wild without any human interaction for the rest of your life. You understanding the patterns of the seasons where as a result of your interactions with humans and books, No one man would have come up with the idea on his own, Infact our civilization is built on the foundation of past knowledge and knowledge is a product of a shared community, no man is an island of knowledge.

So if you think you can survive in the wild, without an human interaction, please be my guest.

I didn't mean to come across like you said,

What you see as a norm is as a result of what we have come to deem fit, much of it is not needed. In the wild man would simply adapt probably learning animal behavior and communication as likely replacement to human interaction.

I don' have to live in the wild to prove this, people are already doing this, living away from civilization.

Where is this jony guy who spoke of this moral code anyway.

APCsupporter:
Why call terrosists Muslims then? Can you see your hypocrisy?

I can't answer because I know little about the Quran. I know that I answer for Christianity though, and Christ didn't preach pornography and masturbation.

EyeHateGod:
@op Those other animals that practice Gang rape eg dolphins Or prostitution eg penguins and Chimp etc Or Homosexuality Penguins, Bonobo, mouse etc Or Phonography Eg Chimp or Bonobo pls What will happen to them?

The concept of righteousness or living right with God simply put is doing what he wants u to do. If some animals are doing that and God made them that way then it's not a sin.

What's sinful is simply living for self. Doing essentially what you want, being "good"(as in helping society) or not....

donnffd:
The answer is simple, you need the society to survive...if all human society casts you out to the wild where you can do whatever you want, how long do you think you would survive?...

We all need the society to survive and the society need all of us to be moral for it to survive.

Rain and wind patterns grow plants then animals feed on them then I feed on animals, whereis the society in this?
Remember human interaction isnt a prerequisite for sustainance.
You probably don't even understand what I said.

johnydon22:
Morality is a human construct for the human society and thus has human definition - to me a moral action is an action that decreases individual or societal suffering and also improves societal well being, equality, freedom, justice and continuity.

An immoral action to me is one that increases individual or societal suffering and is detrimental to societal well being, equality, freedom, justice or continuity..

So if you tell me how masturbation fits into the definition above then i'll tell you how wrong it is..

Eating is not wrong cus you feel hungry, scratching an itch is not, why then would someone massaging their own D/V when they feel aroused wrong or concerns you?

My feelings are not hinged on anyone else's, why should do anything having the interest of the society at the back of my mind, why can't I have it all, everyone else can die as far as am concerned.

Why this morality code, it feels subtly based on something else than raw logic.

joseph1013:
Watching porn, like playing chess or going to PSquare's concerts, is morally neutral. It is neither bad nor good.

Now, if you treat porn like sex education and you start to expect sex from the plumber or the person who is your nurse, that might be bad. But watching porn, of and by itself, is neutral.

Of course you haven't said anything new , nothing is categorically bad or good,it's through its resulting actions we can boldly brand as good or bad.

Now do you think it's resulting actions make it good or bad?

OLAADEGBU:
Answer the questions of the OP and stop jumping into conclusions which seems to be the only exercise some folks get to do.

You couldn't infer?

Ok..my bible tells me the world will pass away before even the smallest bit of the bible gets lost, from this i believe no book in the bible is missing.

If you go in this search how can ascertain the authenticity of whatever you find?

Someone might even tell you he has the "real" bible, careful guy.

Nothing different from how I already live, I live every minute like it's my last.

OLAADEGBU:
What are the lost books of the Bible? Are there any books missing from the Bible? Were some books removed from the Bible?

If God "couldn't" stop some of his words from getting lost, you certainly won't be able to find it.


Go and read your bible in peace and try to obey all therein (before go and read something that will summon something).--__--

sokar:
Atheists never claimed to know the origin of the universe, there are only scientific theories to the possible origin for now.

On the other hand, could you tell me the origin of God?

Do you think there can be any possible explanation to how the world came to be, if we precede discuss with origin?
Energy must have come from somewhere or something, but where, and where did that thing come from also and on and on....

eyidaythedon:
The bible which is supposed to be God's word should be error free right? But why are there so many mistakes or conflicting verses.
Here are some examples of the conflicting verses "you can pick up ur bible to verify these claims"
1. II Samuel 8 : 4
And David took from a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
I Chronicles 18 : 4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand?

2. II Samuel 8 : 9-10
When toi, king of Hamath, heard that David had smitten all the host of Hadadezer, then Toi sent joram, his son, unto king David to salute him and to bless him, because he had fought against Hadadezer and had smitten him, for Hadadezer had wars with Toi. And Joram took with him vessels of silver, and vessels of gold, and vessels of brass.
I Chronicles 18 : 9-10
Now when Tou, king of Hamath, heard how David had smitten all the host of Hadarezer, king of Zobah, he sent Hadoram, his son, to king David to enquire of his welfare and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer and had smitten him (for Hadarezer had made war with Tou); and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.
Q. Toi or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?
3. I Samuel 10 : 18
And the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach, the captain of their host, who died there.
I Chronicles 19 : 18
But the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach, the captain of their host.
Q. Seven hundred chariots or seven thousand men in chariot? Forty thousand horsemen or footmen, Shobach or Shophach?

4. II Kings 8 : 26
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
II Chronicles 22 : 2
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
Q. Twenty-two or forty-two years

5. II Kings 24 : 8
Jehoiachim was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.
II Chronicles 36 : 9
Jehoiachim was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
Q. Eighteen years or eight years? Three months or three months and ten days?

6. II Samuel 23 : 8
These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adoni the Eznite: he lifted up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.
I Chronicles 11 : 11
And this is the number of the mighty men who David had: Jashobean, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains; he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.
Q. Tachmonite or Hachmonite? Eight hundred or three hundred?

7. II Samuel 24 : 1
And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Isreal, and he moved David against them to say: "Go, number Isreal and Judah."
I Chronicles 21 : 1
And Satan stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Isreal.
Q. Is satan the Lord of David?
You can add some more you have spotted
With all this i am begining to consider the possibilities of the bible not been God's word cos God is supposed to be perfect or how can a perfect being eack such imperfect words or allow those writing it make so much mistakes if he already knew they would cos christians claims that He is omniscient. Still confused, may be theists in the house will shed more light on how mistakes got into the words of a [b]The bible which is supposed to be God's word should be error free right? But why are there so many mistakes or conflicting verses.
Here are some examples of the conflicting verses "you can pick up ur bible to verify these claims"
1. II Samuel 8 : 4
And David took from a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
I Chronicles 18 : 4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand?

2. II Samuel 8 : 9-10
When toi, king of Hamath, heard that David had smitten all the host of Hadadezer, then Toi sent joram, his son, unto king David to salute him and to bless him, because he had fought against Hadadezer and had smitten him, for Hadadezer had wars with Toi. And Joram took with him vessels of silver, and vessels of gold, and vessels of brass.
I Chronicles 18 : 9-10
Now when Tou, king of Hamath, heard how David had smitten all the host of Hadarezer, king of Zobah, he sent Hadoram, his son, to king David to enquire of his welfare and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer and had smitten him (for Hadarezer had made war with Tou); and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.
Q. Toi or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?
3. I Samuel 10 : 18
And the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach, the captain of their host, who died there.
I Chronicles 19 : 18
But the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand men which fought in chariots, and forty thousand footmen, and killed Shophach, the captain of their host.
Q. Seven hundred chariots or seven thousand men in chariot? Forty thousand horsemen or footmen, Shobach or Shophach?

4. II Kings 8 : 26
Two and twenty years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
II Chronicles 22 : 2
Forty and two years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign.
Q. Twenty-two or forty-two years

5. II Kings 24 : 8
Jehoiachim was eighteen years old when he began to reign, and he reigned in Jerusalem three months.
II Chronicles 36 : 9
Jehoiachim was eight years old when he began to reign, and he reigned three months and ten days in Jerusalem.
Q. Eighteen years or eight years? Three months or three months and ten days?

6. II Samuel 23 : 8
These be the names of the mighty men whom David had: The Tachmonite that sat in the seat, chief among the captains; the same was Adoni the Eznite: he lifted up his spear against eight hundred, whom he slew at one time.
I Chronicles 11 : 11
And this is the number of the mighty men who David had: Jashobean, an Hachmonite, the chief of the captains; he lifted up his spear against three hundred slain by him at one time.
Q. Tachmonite or Hachmonite? Eight hundred or three hundred?

7. II Samuel 24 : 1
And again the anger of the Lord was kindled against Isreal, and he moved David against them to say: "Go, number Isreal and Judah."
I Chronicles 21 : 1
And Satan stood up against Isreal, and provoked David to number Isreal.
Q. Is satan the Lord of David?
You can add some more you have spotted
With all this i am begining to consider the possibilities of the bible not been God's word cos God is supposed to be perfect or how can a perfect being eack such imperfect words or allow those writing it make so much mistakes if he already knew they would cos christians claims that He is omniscient. Still confused, may be theists in the house will shed more light on how mistakes got into the words of a [/b]The bible which is supposed to be God's word should be error free right? But why are there so many mistakes or conflicting verses.
Here are some examples of the conflicting verses "you can pick up ur bible to verify these claims"
1. II Samuel 8 : 4
And David took from a thousand chariots and seven hundred horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
I Chronicles 18 : 4
And David took from him a thousand chariots and seven thousand horsemen, and twenty thousand footmen...
Q. Seven hundred or seven thousand?

2. II Samuel 8 : 9-10
When toi, king of Hamath, heard that David had smitten all the host of Hadadezer, then Toi sent joram, his son, unto king David to salute him and to bless him, because he had fought against Hadadezer and had smitten him, for Hadadezer had wars with Toi. And Joram took with him vessels of silver, and vessels of gold, and vessels of brass.
I Chronicles 18 : 9-10
Now when Tou, king of Hamath, heard how David had smitten all the host of Hadarezer, king of Zobah, he sent Hadoram, his son, to king David to enquire of his welfare and to congratulate him, because he had fought against Hadarezer and had smitten him (for Hadarezer had made war with Tou); and with him all manner of vessels of gold and silver and brass.
Q. Toi or Tou, Joram or Hadoram, Hadadezer or Hadarezer?
3. I Samuel 10 : 18
And the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew the men of seven hundred chariots of the Syrians, and forty thousand horsemen, and smote Shobach, the captain of their host, who died there.
I Chronicles 19 : 18
But the Syrians fled before Isreal, and David slew of the Syrians seven thousand ml .

If the bible was truly engineered by man to trick the masses into believing that a supreme being exists, am sure they would have read through at least once to correct errors least someone raises eyebrows as to how a supreme being would make such blunders.

They aren't "errors", but would you accept Christianity anymore than you don't if it didn't have "blunders"?

hahn:
Lol. As a Christian how can you even claim porn is bad since Jehovah watches everyone in the world having sex? Can you imagine how often it ma5turbate5 daily?

Despite our religious fanaticism we watch more porn than even Americans



And what percentage of these Nigerians watching porn are Christians, Muslims or atheists. Your guess is as good as mine.

God burnt hundreds of women and children in Sodom and Gomorrah but didn't bat an eyelid when Lot slept with his two daughters in an obvious incestial party. What is the morality in that?

As far as I am concerned, masturbating is cool. It is way better than adultery or rape, something which religious people indulge in often(just check front page and see how many Christians rape and are caught committing adultery), as it is cheaper. Why be bothered about what other people do in their privacy anyway when it doesn't bother anyone?

As regards porn, watching it is cool even for married couples to fulfill their sexual fantasies but I do have a thing against the way it is produced considering that some of the girls are forced or deceived into it.

Do u feel like sleeping with your kids(if any) or your sister if you see her unclothed? Your sheer hatred for Christianity isn't helping here. Think a bit more fairly if u are thinking at all.(addressed to the first part of your post)

You claim Christians watch porn, what makes them Christians if they fail to follow the scriptures? Tell me.

I believe op asked what your view was, consider answering this as if Christianity didn't exist, shouldn't be too hard since atheist is all about disproving God's existence.