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forgiveness:
17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

Kezman scored 35 and 31 in the league twice. Suarez only did it once

andrew444:
Highly rated by the media but could not get more goals than suarez right?

How did he earn a move to Juve then?

Martz101:
Olympic games were not the only yard stick for Kanu making the top 10, he played champions league final 1995/1996 season.

A copa America is equals to the Africa nations cup and cant be enough to earn him the 6th spot in Fifa player ranking, sanchez won the same competition 2014 and 2016, also named the best player of the tournament, why didn't he get same accolade as Suarez even when he was playing in a suppose bigger team to Suarez

Kanu did not have a great Ucl championship to merit being rated 6th best player in the world at 96. He wasn't even benching Kluivert and not only that, he didn't score in the ucl in 96. He scored only once in 95.
How can a Copa not be enough??

andrew444:
Suarez at ajax is better than ibra....Seems kezman and huntelaar is better than suarez with stats the suarez is better than ibra with stats my broda,go and check it,is it not goal stats you are using to rate them? Kezman and huntelaar has better stats at ajax than suarez but ibra Hell No...Google is your answer man

Ibra was more highly rated. I wasn't talking about stats in regard to Ibra. Ibra move to Juve proves that. He moved to much better team. We all know Ibra only started becoming a consistent goal scorer at 28

forgiveness:
17, 22, 35 and 7 goals for Ajax in his 4 and the half years in the Eredivisie.

22, 28, 49 and 12 goals in all competition in those same seasons. Fact

Kezman had 31, 20, 40, 38. Kezman scored 24, 15, 31, 35 in the league alone. Fact.

andrew444:
Lol i get you now....Finally finally Suarez is the winner,he is better than all those striker you mentioned maybe better than ibra of the same level thats when ibra was ibra sha.

Suarez has better goal stats than ibra in the dutch league,so dont use because someone joined juventus as an example

And mind you suarez has more offers then but he decide to join liverpool that does not mean others club did not come from him,liverpool offer him more licrative salary which is about 80k per week

You are not getting my point. Suarez when he was at Ajax WAS NOT better than Ibra, Huntelaar and Kezman were when they played at the Eredivise.
Forgiveness is saying he was world class when he was at Ajax because he scored 35 league goals. I'm saying that isn't true because they've been strikers with better numbers in the league and were rated higher before they left i.e Hunterlaar and Ibra. That's the argument.
Suarez was only viewed as genuine world class after his second to the last season and of course his last season at Liverpool. Even then, in 12/13 season, he was never seen as the best striker in the world. His last two seasons at Liverpool where he put up great numbers were under Rodgers. To say Rodgers had inherited "the best striker in the world" is a very ridiculous assertion.

andrew444:
E no consign me,stats na stats...Na d goal wey dem score be that okay even if kezman score 40 a season e no change the stats...Kezman later flopped on the big stage,nothing really special about the dutch league,even memphis depay who plays as a winger scored 23 a single season

You clearly do not understand the crux of this argument.

andrew444:
You see what you are saying again....for the past years juve has been better than liverpool no doubt.

But your mistake you are saying juve of 2004 is better than liverpool,why didnt you compare juve of 2004 to liverpool of 2004? the same squad of 2005 went ahead and win the champions league of 2005? Bros leave matter jare.

Wetin happen to Kezman? He didnt even fulfill his potential, Huntelaar is good,Suarez is the best striker in the world right now alongside Lewandowski

I compared Juve of 04 to Liverpool of 11 because that was when they both moved to their respective clubs. As of 2011, Liverpool weren't even in the europa league talk of ucl. You want compare Liverpool of that time to a Juve side that was competing for Serie A and had players like Del Piero, Trez, etc?? Ibra moved to a MUCH better side. Facts!

Martz101:
and he manage to become the 6th best player in the world in that period, how Come? he bribed Fifa?

No. He played well in the Copa America. Just like how Kanu made the top 10 of world player of year on the back of his Atlanta 96 performances

andrew444:
Kezman 105 Eredivise goals and Suarez 91 in total,a little difference

Kezman scored over 30 TWICE. Suarez scored over 20 once. Facts!

andrew444:
So liverpool that suarez joined is not a big club? A club that has won 5 champions league is not a big club to you right?

What happened to huntelaar at madrid? who is laughing best now is it now suarez,huntelaar is a great player and world class mind you.

What happened to kezman at chelsea?is it the kezman that managed only 4 epl goals in 25 matches? Suarez is better than all this players you mentioned

Read my comment very carefully. SUAREZ WAS NOT WORLD CLASS AT THE EREDIVISIE. KEZMAN had better stats than he did at Eredivise...that is a fact.
Hunterlaar was not world class at Eredivise. Neither was Kezman. Neither was Ibra. Suarez was NEVER rated higher than those guys at the Eredivise.
Anyone who thinks Suarez was world class or even a Top 5 striker at 2011 must have been watching Netball.
Madrid is a bigger club than Liverpool. Fact!

Juve at 2004 was bigger/better than Liverpool at 2011. Fact!

Martz101:
Are you the one doing the rating, is liverpool a small team. good agent give you the best deals

Nonsense. Suarez did not have a better pedigree than the guys I mentioned when he was at Eredivise. He had only scored more than 20 league goals in the Eredivisie twice. Someone like Kezman had scored over 30 twice.
Suarez was not seen as in the top 5 strikers when he was at Ajax and his first season at Liverpool. This is a fact!

Martz101:
IbrahimovIc had a total of 35 goals in Ere divisie, while Suarez scored 49 goals in 48 matches in a single season. when last did a player score such amount in Holland football

Why didn't any big club pick Suarez up then? Ibra moved directly to Juve from Ajax. Hunterlaar moved to Madrid. Kezman who scored 35 in 33 games and 31 in 29 moved to Chelsea directly afterwards. How come Suarez moved to Liverpool if he was the best striker in the world?? I repeat Suarez wasn't as highly rated as Hunterlaar, Ibra, Kezman when he moved to Liverpool. This is a fact.

kennysville:
I wonder how we left discussing Super Eagles players to debating Suarez, Ronaldo and other players who are practically inconsequential to our thread or our cause. Enough already! Have we sorted out our playmaker for the world cup? Instead of us to be busy praying every morning for our players not to get injured, the ones injured to have wuick recovery, we busy debating.... in case you arent paying attention, no dey count april as month O? The world cup is 1 month away. Na when we play our first match una eye go clear.

Sorry sir. We will stop

goldfish80:
This argument is still on? Suarez was nothing more than a a local champion at Ajax. Same can be said of Hassan Mido, Dirk Kuyt, Salomon Kalou, Emmanuelson, Royston Drente, Skeltenberg, Jefferson Farfan, DUSZAK (the Hungarian guy), Babel etc.
Suarez would have been inconsequential like Kalou/Kuyt in the grand scheme of things if Liverpool didn't take him to another level.

Facts!!

Martz101:
Just like ronaldo will not score 40 goals a season under Ferguson, so morinho had a clear idea on how to use him better

Bros Suarez peaking in Liverpool little to do with Rodgers, just like ronaldo peak in Madrid

Ronaldo scored 42 at man united and the next season didn't replicate it because of injury. And Mourinho and Fergie used him the same way as a false winger. Daglish and Rodgers did not in regards to Suarez.
Again - Suarez wasn't rated as highly as Ibra or Hunterlaar when he left Eredivise. To say he was the best striker in the world is ridiculous.

Martz101:
Ok with your argument is ok to say morinho made ronaldo a top class player, because ronaldo never got to the 40 goal Mark in Man U. the best he had was 31 and others were 17 and 18.

but under morinho he increase that tally consistently 40 and 46 goals. we all know Ferguson made Ronaldo, it's not cool to give Brendan glory for Suarez development, he was at his peak at Liverpool and Brendan happen to be the coach

CR7 was already scoring in the epl which is a top league. Epl to LA liga is much different form Eredivise to Epl.
Suarez became a better goal scorer thanks to Rodgers. If Daglish was still around, he wouldn't have scored anywhere close to 33 goals. Rodgers had a clear idea on how to use him and get the best out of him.

Martz101:
You don't get it, Ronaldo will also tell you zidane made him who he is

I'm saying yes I agree with it but if you look back at the previous seasons you'll see how deadly Cr7 has been for madrid. Cr7 has won top goal scorer awards in LA liga before Zidane. Suarez not only never won the top goal scorer award in epl, but he never scored more than 11 before Rodgers. He scored 11 in 33 before Rodgers and 23 in 33 and 31 in 33 after him.

forgiveness:
Did FIFA acknowledged it? Answer yes or no

No IFFHS did. Not fifa. Show me where it says "Fifa best forward award"

forgiveness:
Which trolling?

Did it change the fact that he was already a super star before he met Brender Rodgers?

Yeah he was a superstar at Eredivise just like Hunterlaar, Vincent Janssen, Dirk Kuyt, Bas Dost were before he went to the epl and didn't score more than 11 till Rodgers came in.
He was a superstar that's why only Liverpool were really in for him. Arsenal only enquired.
Suarez wasn't bigger than the likes of Ibra and Hunterlaar who moved straight to euro giants from Ajax. Fact!!.

forgiveness:
Which is the highest Football organization?

UEFA or FIFA?

UEFA gave it to Messi based on their own criteria while FIFA gave it to Suarez. Fact

So Tresor was the best striker in the world too?? That guy from Latvia as well??

tbaba1234:
Which club has the best scouting team in Europe?

Monaco - bvb - atleti - Southampton. Shakhtar is a good shout as well

forgiveness:
Correct. He made it before he met Brender Rodgers. GBAM
Thank you very much for the confirmation. EOD

Stop trolling. . When next did Suarez make top 10 for ballon d orr

Martz101:
is normal for players to sound humble, even ronaldo will say same about zidane

We can go back to ronaldo numbers with Madrid to see if he was being humble.
We do the same with Suarez and you'll see the difference in the epl. 11 to 23 to 33.

Martz101:
He was not world class, but was on the path to that, Brendan scouted him and I doubt he made him worldclass

Maybe, maybe not. However, Suarez WAS NOT THE BEST STRIKER IN THE WORLD BEFORE 2013/14. Fact!
Suarez was not seen as a top 5 striker in 2010, 11 ans 12 talk of being world best. Fact.

forgiveness:
So, where do we hid his 6th best player in world and FIFA league goal scorer of the year awards?

He made it because of his Copa America performances. Tell us how the "best striker in the world" performed in his next season and a half?? Oh and why you're at it, tell us the next time he made the top 10 after 2011

forgiveness:
according to what you read. Is 1st - 8 th the same or not? Answer yes or no.

Does the first 8 have the same coefficient?? Please point to me where that was said

forgiveness:
Top 8. Yes. Na almost the same thing.

Suarez was already known as a deadly striker before he met Brender Rodgers. Fact

Wasn't World Class. Scored 11 the next season. True or false?? Was Hunterlaar the best striker in the world when he moved to Madrid?

forgiveness:
The fact still remains that Suarez made name for himself before he met Brender. EOD

He wasn't world class before he met Rodgers. His numbers at Liverpool in his first one and a half season proof that. From 11 to 23 to 31. The difference is clear.

forgiveness:
Read the 9th - 21st. What does it mean?

That their won the Golden shoe by scoring more in an inferior rated league. That scoring 42 in Portugal isn't the same as scoring 42 in Serie A

forgiveness:
To you.

And to UEFA too. They have their criteria at rating leagues on THEIR Continent.

forgiveness:
ACCORDING TO FIFA RULES. The award is for the best goal scorer in the world.

If you fullil the criteria and you are awarded the medal, you are the best striker in the world.

Pray tell me, what is the award for?

You haven't answered my question...is the Eredivise in the top 5 league?? How did Suarez perform in his first 1 and a half season at Liverpool after he moved?