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forgiveness:
Hahahahahah! Na you sabi.

Oya read the snapshot.

What exactly does this proof again? That Larson scored 35 in a 1.5 league? Oya was Larson ever rated as the best striker that year? Why didn't Larson leave Scottish league afterwards?

forgiveness:
Suarez scored 35 goals in the top 8 leagues in the Europe. Does that look inferior?

Yes it is inferior. Is the Eredivise rated in the top 5?

forgiveness:
Ok. You used UEFA rating but I used FIFA rating.

According to FIFA rating, top 8 are in the same level.

And that was why FIFA gave it to Luiz Suarez. GBAM.

Even according to this UEFA rating, Suarez was in the top 5 best in Europe according to UEFA rating.

Thank you very much.

This is one of the most ridiculous rebuttals ever
Oya show us where FIFA said all top 8 leagues are at the same level

forgiveness:
No matter who you be, the rules doesn't favour any past glory. It is based on your goals in a season.

This award is not for the best player in the world. It is for the best goal scorer in world/Europe. GBAM

So the best goal scorer in an inferior league automatically becomes the best in the world without proving themselves against the best teams?? So then Tresor Mputu was once the best striker in the world. Janko too.

Joebie:
His stats for 2018

Didn't know he could also play as CF. Wouldn't mind if he made the 35 man squad.

Joebie:
On a second thought, Muazam's stats are not bad. Muazam vs Aluko

Almost forgot about Muazam! How has he been performing for Wien??

Joebie:
Position-wise, we have about 5 players fighting for 3 AM slots in my list.

Sorry I didn't see "Aluko/Ajagun" on line 18

forgiveness:
Show me where Eredivise got 1.5. Can you?

Rules
Only the leading five countries – Spain, Italy, Germany, France and England – in the UEFA rankings have two as their multiplier. This is to emphasise the difference in (international) performance level between clubs from those countries and those of other nations.

A player cannot play first in a summer league (e.g. Norway) and then in a winter league (e.g. Spain) and combine the points totals for each season

http://www.uefa.com/memberassociations/news/newsid=1639415.html

The first pic is of the 09/10 standings and the second is of 10/11.

Joebie:
My updated 35 man list

I had to squeeze Samuel Kalu and Ebere Eze in somehow. We cannot afford to lose a fast rising talent to Scotland. The numbers to the right will be the final pics for each position to make the 23-man list. I think the competition will be fierce for all the positions. It will definitely bring out the best in them.

I'd leave one of umar and Awoniyi for Aluko.

forgiveness:
Suarez scored 35 goals in the top 8 leagues in the world and 49 goals in all competition in the same 2010 season before he went to Liverpool. Gbam

Na Brender teach am how to score for 2010 world cup and Copa America?

Did he replicate the same performance in the next season and a half?? Under which coach did he score over 20 goals in a much tougher league?
Again - based on the IFFHS stats you brought - do you agree Hunterlaar was the best striker in the world at 2006?? Remember Hunterlaar moved from Ajax to Madrid while Suarez moved to Liverpool.

forgiveness:
Was Eredivisie in the top 10 in Europe in 2010? Answer Yes or no.

Suarez was a world class striker with Ajax. It manifested in the 2010 world cup too.

Point still remains that Brender did not make Suarez world class player. Which ever way you look at it. Agree?


Why Messi won was because Messi's club played in the highest league(level 1) and that gave him 4 point while Suarez's club was in level 2 league which gave him 3 points. simple as ABC.

Lucas Barrios was playing in a league rated higher than Eredivise. Hunterlaar was in the same league. Again by your logic, do you agree that they were the best strikers in the world at that time?? Hunterlaar was better than Henry, Eto, Sheva, Villa, etc during 2006?
Thank you you said top 10 and not top 5. He was the highest goal scorer in europe while not playing in the epl, buli, Serie A, LA liga, etc.

forgiveness:
Was Eredivisie in the top 10 in Europe in 2010? Answer Yes or no.

Suarez was a world class striker with Ajax. It manifested in the 2010 world cup too.

Point still remains that Brender did not make Suarez world class player. Which ever way you look at it. Agree?


Why Messi won was because Messi's club played in the highest league(level 1) and that gave him 4 point while Suarez's club was in level 2 league which gave him 3 points. simple as ABC.

Top 10? Yes. Top 6? No.
Actually Eredivise gets a 1.5. That alone should show you that the Eredivise wasn't a top league at that time. Suarez wasn't yet World class at Ajax. His first season and a half at Liverpool showed it. He only scored 23 and 31 the next season when surprise surprise - who was coach again?

goldfish80:
Suarez best striker in the world at Ajax? You lost me here to be honest. Do you really mean this or you're saying this just for the shock value?
Do you even realize that Suarez was under a 10 match ban for bitting before transferring to Liverpool in January? How many games did he even ......*sigh* abeg forget.

Suarez scored just 11 goals in his first full season and 23 the next. It was in the 2013/14 season where he was truly considered as the best striker in the world.

Martz101:
and what I gave to you was not a prove right, bros 6 could be 9, depending on how you look at it

Ok let's settle this once and for all - Is Ramsey a playmaker or a Regista?

Chrismario:
IFFHS is just for statistics.
That he won top division with 35 league goals in BLACK WATER league does not make him a world class.

It seems you forgot that that same 35 goals is below 27 scored in any of European top leagues. (UEFA Coefficient)

Relatively unknown players has won this top division scorer of a thing just like TP Mazembe's mputu (2007) and one Narva Trans' Cerkulajevs(2011).

Can we say that this two players mentioned above are world class?

Damn you beat me to this. Suarez as at 2009/2010 wasn't even rated as highly as Hunterlaar who went from Ajax to Madrid.

forgiveness:
It is better you see this link.

Who is the 2010 highest league goal scorer? Luiz Suarez. He scored 35 goals and that was the highest league goals scored in the whole of Europe in 2010. One more than Messi.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_Federation_of_Football_History_%26_Statistics#IFFHS_World's_Best_Top_Division_Goal_Scorer

So by your logic, Tresor Mputu, Lucas Barrios and Marco Janko were the best strikers in the world in 2007, 2008 and 2009 right?
I have one question for you - why did Messi win the european golden shoe in 2009/10 instead of Suarez despite scoring less than he did??

Martz101:
And the fact is your own opinion right

I brought proof to back them up...

Martz101:
Bros we should end this already, you believe what you believe and I believe what I believe, Xhaka and Ramsey ain't Nigerians.

Some things are opinion while some are undeniably facts.

Martz101:
Bros what is dictating play in the midfield, it actually means deep lying playmaker

I said "dictating play from deep". Xhaka dictates play from deep. Ozil in the final third. Ramsey is a b2b midfielder who is known for making late runs into the box. He doesn't and isn't good at dictating play. That's what I've been saying since.
Maybe I should put it this way - Ramsey can't control the tempo of a game from deep.

The definition of a Regista : Regista in Italian means ‘director.’ It actually means [b][/b]the one who directs, who dictates the offensive play of the team. A regista is not the one who would run around the pitch vying for the ball, but it’s someone who would start his move by lying deep in his own half just in front of the centre-backs and finding his teammates [b][/b]with balls that would be difficult to spot even on a TV screen. Such is the elegance of the regista.

forgiveness:
Let me agree with you on your second paragraph but that is not the koko of the matter. The koko still remains that Suarez was adjourned the best striker in the world before he went to Liverpool and it was not under Brender, Suarez became the 6th world best in the world. Fact

IT WAS BECAUSE OF THE COPA AMERICA OOO. As of 2011, Van Persie, Aguero, Lewandowski, heck even Cavani were more rated than Suarez. Higuain and Benzema too. What was his position on the Ballon d'or 2012 and 2013?? How many goals did he score the next season for liverpool?? 11. He scored 23 and 31 under Rodgers.

Martz101:
You are deviating, you said Ramsey was not so good in dictating play that arsenal acquired xhaka because of that, Xhaka can also dictate but not better than Ramsey.Xhaka gives arsenal more physicality in the midfield which is what arsenal lacked while doing a dictating job.

Ramsey is better than Xhaka going forward in all capacity, please dont make us derail this thread

No I am not deviating. Can you bring proof of Ramsey playing as a regista?? What physicality has Xhaka brought that we didn't have with Coquelin??
RAMSEY CAN NOT DICTATE PLAY. He is a b2b midfielder that is known for his late runs into the box and stamina. He can not dictate play. I didn't say Ramsey wasn't creative. Comparing Ramsey and Xhaka is like comparing Vidal and Kroos. Kroos is a Regista. Vidal is not.

Wenger on why he signed Xhaka over Kante : "[/b]When we play at home especially, and you are dominating the games, it’s important to have someone who can pass from deep areas through the lines[b].

‘We looked for someone who could do that and I felt he had those specific qualities to do that"

Again when he was asked the same question: “They are different types of players,” “[/b]I think Xhaka is more in the distribution of the pass through the lines[b] and Kante is more the ball winner with the real technique to steal the ball without making the foul.

“[/b]You can compare more Kante with Francis Coquelin more than with Xhaka. Xhaka is more a distribution player.”[b]

forgiveness:
No Suarez made the FIFA ballon d or based on his performance at Ajax and World cup...

Liverpool and Copa America. Copa America was in 2011. They only put "Ajax" there because he spent half a season there. Is the ballon d orr not based on the calendar year?? They give the award out on January of the next year. The 2011 award was given out on January 9th 2012. So how can they take into consideration Suarez's performance of 2010?? Suarez made the 6th place mainly based on his Copa America performances...not the world cup.

forgiveness:
He was with Ajax and Liverpool. Fact

He was in Liverpool from January. Read the Wiki Screenshot you posted

forgiveness:
Suarez made the FIFA ballon d or in his half season with Liverpool. Fact

His performance at Ajax got him into the top 6 players in the world. Fact

No Suarez made the Fifa ballon d orr based on his liverpool and Copa America performances.
What year did he move to Liverpool??

forgiveness:
Do you mean the Suarez that was the 6th best player in the world when he was at Ajax was an interesting upcoming player?

Do you mean the Suarez of Ajax who was awarded the world best top leagues goal scorer in 2010 was upcoming player?

Suarez was already the best striker in World before he came to Liverpool. Fact


Ronaldo was nobody in the Portuguese league. Two different case.

Besides, you claimed Suarez could not perform the same thing in Barcelona after he left Liverpool but facts on ground proved otherwise.. GBAM

Sturridge blossomed before he went to Liverpool. Fact

He already scored double digits goals with Chelsea before he was sent on loan where he also blossomed. Facts

What club was he playing at when he made the ballon d orr top 10??

forgiveness:
Better or not, Suarez was already a world class player before he came to Liverpool. Fact.

Suarez was the hero in the 2010 WC and that was when he was still at Ajax. Abi na lie?

My point still remains that Brender Rodgers didn't make Suarez one of the best in the world. Suarez was already one the best in the world at Ajax.

No he was just highly rated then. He wasn't seen as World Class just yet hence why only liverpool moved for him. Arsenal weren't willing to pay 23m for him at that time. He only made the ballon d orr top 10 in his second season at Liverpool.

Martz101:
Awaziem is like a utility man for Nantes, always been shifted left or right back, is not a sure starter in CB for nantes

Played more as a CB.

Martz101:
You said arsenal bought xhaka because Ramsey is not good in dictating play, bros not true, Xhaka is played because his more physical and help shield the defence better than Ramsey.

In all attacking sense, dictating play, goal sense and even pass accuracy Ramsey is better

You clearly have absolutely no idea what you're talking about. Coquelin was already providing all that but his passing at deep wasn't good enough.
Anyone who is familiar with Wenger knows he doesn't like playing with traditional destroyers for a while now. That's why he converted Arteta and Denilson to DMs. Why do you think he moved Carzola to a CM??
Xhaka isn't a destroyer. He's a Regista. Anyone who's watched him will tell you as much

forgiveness:
Suarez already became the best striker in the world when he was in the Eredivise before he went to Liverpool. Fact

It was not under Brender Rodgers he became the world best striker. Fact.

Suarez still became the world best striker in Barcelona after he left Liverpool. Fact

Sturridge already blossomed before he left for Liverpool.

Sterling is better than when he was under Brender. Fact

So, if you think Chelsea is hire and fire, why did Victor Moses suddenly became a world class player under Conte when he was nobody under Mourinho?

Na Chelsea's fault?

Chelsea doesn't like discarding players like that.

The truth remains that when Victor Moses worked under World class coaches known to develop players his stock rised. GBAM

Martinez and Conte are two case study.

Give Victor Moses chance under Guardiola, Simione or Klopp, he could be better than Salah. GBAM

Suarez under Rodgers was MUCH MUCH better than he was at Ajax and even his first season at Liverpool.

Sturridge exploded under Rodgers. Sure he was talented at Chelsea and City, but it was Rodgers that truly had faith in him as a CF.

Vic Moses just didn't work out under him. We have to remember Rodgers was after Vic Moses from as far back as when he was a youth coach at Chelsea. Rodgers even tried him out as a number 10. One thing Rodgers hinted at was that Vic Moses wasn't putting too much effort at training.

Danielnino00:
You know what makes Salah more popular and more regarded than Moses? its the goals he score... Moses might even equal Salah for pace and dribbles but he isn't known for scoring a lot of goals...even when he was playing his normal position at Chelsea and on loan, he scorer few goals...

Nigeria is well known for producing some of the fastest and best dribblers in football but goalscoring is a problem for them..look at Musa,Simeon,Imoh Ezekiel.. even Okocha

Salah's close control and off the ball movement is better than that of Vic Moses. I'd say his decision making as well.

Kog45:
I will never picked him ahead of Omeruo,him and Ekong lacks the experience as CB and their pairings always backfire, so better to pair Ekong and Omeruo or Awaziem and Balogun in case Balogun and Ekong pairing is not available for selection.

Awaziem and Ekong aren't a good pairing. But to say he's overrated is stretching it. He's been playing well in Ligue un. Maybe Omeruo has been performing better in Turkey as I haven't watched him play before.

Martz101:
Was enjoying your writeup until I read "Ramsey cannot build up play" really??

Ramsey can not dictate play from deep like Jorginho, Kroos, Alonso, etc. It would've been criminal to pair Ramsey - Coquelin. The few times we did, it was Koscienly that was bringing the ball out from deep