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I'm pretty sure that he is Igbo. I don't want to go through his posting history to prove it, but there are pretty clear signs of this from it.

Just a westernized and 95% detribalized guy

Hisbah = Sharia police. Essentially state police, right?

So how did Kano end up getting state police, but no state in southern Nigeria is allowed this?

Northsharp, Jakumo is Igbo.

Of what relevance is this news if we don't also compare the end price being paid?

112 kenyan shillings is roughly $1.28.

1.28 dollar is roughly N205.

N205 naira per liter, compared to N65 in Nigeria.

I read articles like this:

http://www.economist.com/node/21542763

And realize that national id can never happen in Nigeria.

So many simple, basic things cannot be done for political reasons in this country.

PapaBrowne:
Why should it be based on population? The amount of fuel consumed per state is not proportional to the population per state. Rather the number of cars and the amount of electricity consumed would serve as a better measure.

Lagos would suffer in that case. As it would have to be responsible for over 800 billion naira in subsidies.

My point is, if we want to use population and land mass for allocating funds from the FG, then we should also use it for this.

I don't mind if things are based on fuel consumption, electricity consumed, etc. But this principle must be applied more generally.

Northerners cannot say they deserve a larger share of allocation due to land mass and supposed population, but then say that they should pay less in subsidy because of X, Y and Z.

Consistency is all I ask for.

Mergesort is another useful algorithm for understanding the power of recursion.

You might want to read or reread about it, then implement it yourself in Java.

Reformatted somewhat:

A serving governor in one of the northern states is under investigation over alleged sponsorship of the Islamic sect,Boko Haram.
Security agencies have already raised a panel to quiz him on the allegation.
But he is not the only one under such scrutiny.
Security operatives are on the trail of several other politicians from the North to come and say what they have in common with the sect.
Several of the suspects have reportedly fled to Niger Republic and Chad,according to sources in Abuja yesterday.
Following fears of jailbreak and invasion, security was beefed up yesterday around the 17 Boko Haram members in detention in Abuja.
They were arrested in Damaturu,Yobe State, and flown to the Federal Capital.
Investigation by our correspondent revealed that security reports have indicted the governor for having a 'deep' relationship with Boko Haram.
Although the governor has immunity, it was gathered that security agencies want to "interact" with him and lay the facts bare before him.
The governor, according to sources,has been evasive by hiding under one official engagement or the other.
A reliable source said: "A serving northern governor has been indicted by security reports as having intimate connection with Boko Haram.
Security agencies have been directed to interact with him with the facts at their disposal.
"The essence of the coming interaction is to unmask those sponsoring the sect.
The said governor is already aware and he has been moving here and there, including some trips to Niger Republic and Chad .
"As a result of the immunity he enjoys, he cannot be directly arrested.
But all the details are being assembled and a security committee has been constituted to confront him with such details.
"Once the evidence is confirmed as incontrovertible, further steps can then be taken to ensure prosecution in line with treason and such charges.
" Responding to a question, the source added: "The government has decided to bring sanity to this whole issue of insecurity.
Some security agencies which have been on the trail of those concerned in recent times have reports indicting a number of persons, including government officials.
" As at press time however, it was also learnt that the inter-agency security committee might also interrogate some northern politicians, leaders and government officials over alleged romance with Boko Haram.
The source said: "A list of government officials and those to be quizzed from the North has been compiled by security agencies.
There are intelligence reports that some of them are planning to flee abroad.
"But there is no hiding place for them.
Security agencies have been placed on the alert in all airports and seaports,” a sources said.
The source added: "At the appropriate time, the government may also ask the security agencies to release the list to the public.
"Some of the suspects are said to be on the run to Niger Republic and Chad too.
" But following fears of jailbreak and invasion, security was beefed up yesterday around the 17 Boko Haram members flown from Damaturu to Abuja .
Apart from the beef up, some of the detained members have also been relocated to other detention facilities to "avoid security breach.
" Another source said: "By strengthening security where Boko Haram members are detained, we are only being cautious.

nakedall:
During election their population is more, during share lost they we are not many, Hausa-man get sense pass Igbo-man.

Lol. This a good point.

Let the amount each state pays towards fuel subsidy be based on land mass and official population from the 2006 census

After all, is Kano not the most populous state in Nigeria?

OK.

This is getting weird.

Everyone will concede that he made no specific mention of any timeline or plan for how to achieve his 400% increase.

Muami seems to believe that he wanted an immediate increase, with no conditions attached.

As evidence for this, he doesn't supply any words directly from El Rufai's mouth.

Instead, all we get is this:

However, Amadi appeared to differ from el-Rufai’s approach to tariff increase as he explained that there was need to build legitimacy for the process through enlightenment.

He lamented the “tragedy in Africa that we don't bring leaders back to reflect on their experiences. So they litter the landscape”.
Amadi stressed the need not to discard “our best”, which he said informed the decision to get el-Rufai to speak on the topic, “Leadership and Change Management.”

http://www.thisdaylive.com/articles/el-rufai-electricity-tariff-needs-to-go-up-400-/88421/

Notice no direct quote from Amadi on the topic. Instead we get the newspaper's opinion of how Amadi's approach is different.

So it is on the basis of this single bolded sentence written by the no doubt worthy Patrick Ugeh of Thisday Newspaper upon which we are to conclude that El Rufai is a hypocrite.

Not anything he said directly.

Not any quotes from him.

Not even a direct quote from a third party.

But instead from the sentence in bold, we are to conclude that El Rufai wanted an IMMEDIATE increase in the electricity tariff, with absolutely ZERO conditions attached.

If you all choose to interpret his words in that way, there is nothing else really I can say.

If you choose to judge what a man's policy is for achieving a goal from that single sentence, what should probably be written up in a 10+ page policy paper of some sort, that is certainly your prerogative.

But hopefully it is clear why at least a few (including yours truly) would not reason in this manner.

If you agree that he made no comment whatsoever about conditions and benchmarks when talking about electricity, then how on earth can you possibly call him a hypocrite?

The whole argument for him being a hypocrite is that he DIDN'T attach things before but IS attaching conditions now.

Without that, you have no point.

Geez. When people reason like this, no wonder a country does not progress.

muami:
Certain conditions including the fixing of refineries and buildiing of trust before prices can be hiked but argues that electricity tarriffs shd be hiked even without building trust or enlightening the people so that investors can come in to build the (refineries) power plants. How else are people going to break it down for you?

When did he say that those things shouldn't be done?

Kindly provide us with a quote from El Rufai where he advocated for IMMEDIATE tariff increase, with no conditions or strings attached.

I challenge anyone reading here to provide such a quote.

Rad1cal:
Did Elrufai provide certain conditions and benchmarks to be put in place when he suggested a whooping 400% increase in electricity tariff to attract the necessary investors ?

He made no comment whatsoever about conditions and benchmarks, to my knowledge.

However, the quotes from him in the article represent a goal, not a specific plan to actualize that goal.

Or are you saying that his suggestion of the increase was the plan:

1. immediate increase
2. no conditions, no benchmarks

Is that how you all are interpreting the quote in the OP?

That is an interesting way to read the sentence.

Kindly tell us how you knew the timeframe was immediate?

The way you all read and interpret things, let me never say "I like chicken" around you. Otherwise you'll interpret this to mean that:
1) I hate beef
2) I hate pork
3) I'm hungry for chicken right now
4) I'd like the chicken roasted
5) I'd like Star beer with the chicken

muami:
Glad you realise that your argument is only valid due to the particular location of Nigeria. In other words, the diff is not in the products/sectors.

By "location of Nigeria", you mean being on the African continent, where almost no one produces electricity in abundance?

Yes, it makes sense when arguing to remember what continent your country is in

Anyway, there are other differences. Just read the other posts I made in this thread.

Hopefully now it is clear why they aren't the same sort of product.

El Rufai is not saying subsidies must stay forever and ever, until Christ returns.

He is saying that he wants certain conditions and benchmarks attached to them being removed.

Do you guys understand this point, or not?

If you do understand this point, then clearly he is not being hypocritical.

muami:
It is interesting that you conveniently discounted the cost of building the refinery that would refine the fuel.

It is not necessary to build a refinery in your own country to be able to get refined fuel at market prices (or slightly above.)

It is likely that refining locally will be slightly less expensive, but not massively so.

However, while I can import refined PMS at affordable prices, I cannot import electricity at affordable prices (well you actually can, but we don't have any neighboring countries who produce excess.)

No, I have not.

Implicitly I'm assuming a certain level of understanding from the reader when I write. Perhaps I shouldn't have.

By "alternative", I mean "alternative that is not exorbitantly priced and allows me to compete in the modern world."

Generating electricity from a diesel or gasoline generator simply is too expensive. . . any electricity-intensive goods you are trying to produce will simply cost too much money.

The investment required to generate electricity is enormous. The investment required to supply refined oil is not. . . you just pay somebody to ship you a tanker of fuel from a refinery.

They are different products, though.

If bad subsidies have ruined the market for PMS, I have alternatives. I can buy from the black market for slightly higher than I'd like (say 20% or 30%), or use diesel.

At worst my cost of fuel is going up by some manageable percentage. . . sucks, but not a deal breaker.

If bad subsidies ruin the market for electricity, you are screwed. Your alternative is basically buying your own generator. . . which is basically paying 3X or 4X what your competitors in other countries will pay.

Nobody will sell you black market electricity in a bottle or can.

Funkymallam:
@ekt bear.
It depends on d context,[b] here i used 'political rent seeking' cus he is manipulating d politcal environment to 'create wealth', that is suit his self [/b]will of gaining wealth in d near future, since ppl will trust him with their votes.
That aside, he has failed woefully just lyk his partner Femi Fani-Kayode.

OK, the bolded I agree with as the definition of the term. But how will advocating this policy change make him more wealthy?

You mean make him popular, thus get him into office where he can steal?If so, that is not how the term should be used.

Anyway, let me not derail further.

The key mistake a lot of people (including me when I first learned about it) make when they think about recursion is that they know how to build up this conceptual pile of books. But sometimes they forget you also have to remove all the books from the pile before you can get your answer.

A good way to think about recursion is a stack of books.

Think about the factorial function.

How is it defined?

Factorial(n) = 1 if n==0
                 n*Factorial(n-1) for n>0

So how do I compute Factorial(5)?

Well, the answer is 5 times Factorial(4). So I label a book with "Factorial(5)=5 * Factorial(4)", put it on my desk.

Ok, so now I need to compute Factorial(4). I'll have to place another book on top of the previous one labeled "Factorial(4)=4 * Factorial(3)".

And so on and so forth.

At the end of this process, the top book on my pile is labeled "Factorial(1) = 1*Factorial(0)". Well, that label by definition is just equivalent to "Factorial(1)=1."

So now I can start removing books from my pile. I can remove the first one, and write down Factorial(1)=1 on a sheet of paper.

then I can remove the second one, getting "Factorial(2)=2." And so on and so forth. Until I reach the bottom book on the pile, which gives me the answer I want.

Basically, recursion is equivalent to the stack data structure. I believe that this is how computers implement recursion also.

@hercules07: Assuming equal population between north and south, more like 1/3rd: https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-667836.0.html

hercules07:
@Toba

I am not in support of this plan without other things being in place, but the North contributes up to 40% in GDP via agriculture.

What?

Where did you hear of the North producing 40% of Nigeria's GDP?

No problem.

Let states also collect 100% of the VAT sourced from their state.

Let states also be able to legislate electricity themselves.

Let states be able to control taxation.

Let us also see resource control.

Let us also see port revenue control.

Let us also go to a 6 zone regime rather than 36 states.

Let us have state police.

Finally, let us have a sovereign national conference.

This is easily one of the weirdest discussions I've had on NL in some time.

Rather than demonstrating that El Rufai has been inconsistent or hypocritical (said A when he said B the other day on the issue of subsidy), this guy jmaine is focusing on the sentence "irrespective of how politically incorrect it might be", and assuming that that is the basis for the criticism.

So does any criticism whatsoever of this policy by GEJ fall under the umbrella of political correctness?

Ok, when I go to the burger joint and ask for onions and the woman tells me they are out, and I complain wishing they had some, she should stop telling me to be politically incorrect?

If the pipes start leaking in my house and the plumber doesn't do a good job of fixing it and I critcize him, he should perhaps tell me to shut up and stop being so politically incorrect?

WTF

Anyway, state your case simply and succintly for why El Rufai is wrong in his criticisms. Which of them do you disagree with? Be specific.

Do you disagree with his request for accountability about past spending? About reduction of recurrent expenditure from 74%?

Very likely you agree with [size=18pt]most[/size] of what he has said.

Who is accusing GEJ of being politically incorrect?

You are beating a straw man. El Rufai is not arguing this.

He is making very specific criticisms, not general accusations of political correctness or lack thereof.

Do you guys get this, or not?

Again, what on earth does political correctness/autocracy/masses/whatever other nonsense you are blathering about have do to with asking for accountability about past spending, for example?

Are you saying that if El Rufai asks for accountability about past spending, this is unreasonable or hypocritical? If so, what is your argument?

OK, let me amend my statement to hypocritical on this issue of fuel subsidy. I am not interested in defending him in general, but I don't see why he is a hypocrite on this specific topic.

The onus is on you all to demonstrate that he is a hypocrite, not for anyone else to demonstrate that he is not.

Thus far, you all have failed woefully.

Wetin concern accountability about past spending with political correctness?

Who is accusing GEJ of political incorrectness?

El Rufai is making very specific criticisms, not vague and wishy-washy criticisms. I would suggest that you quote any such that you disagree with and discuss why they are unreasonable or hypocritical.

Or are you saying asking for a gameplan for refineries to be built, accountability for past spending, reduction of recurrent expenditure from 74%, slowed phaseout of the subsidy removal, etc is all "political correctness" rather than substantive criticism?

muami:
Did yoy see/hear him suggest similar measures to NERC before they can increase tariff?

There is a difference between proposing an idea and coming up with a plan to implement it.

I do not recall reading of any specific plan by El Rufai. All I remember reading was him advocating this general idea.

Are you saying that El Rufai proposed a specific plan, and that his plan was more akin to GEJ's (thus not taking care of the above issues)?

If so, kindly show us where this plan was mentioned.