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raumdeuter:
Any player who doesnt score like Ronaldo isnt worthy of being a striker
So 98% of clubs will be playing strikerless

Where did I imply this?

Funlord2:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xXPW-ZAz9M



Haba but you know he can't run? He can't pass? He scores only against gbefuns? His assists are wack? He can't jump and head? He will affect our teams ronaldo from flourishing? He may kill the queen?

Abeg na Ahmed musa the legend stout I want oh?

Mephis Depay video was finer than this. Mkhitaryan Assists and goals video was excellent. Ibrahimovic video was beyond perfect. I forget Mata.

Until we learn to buy what will improve us significantly. I remember too how some of us fans lamented SAF leaving Hazard to but Kagawa. But we were showed videos of how Kagawa was Assists king. Then we went to buy a similar player in Mata.

This Griezmann perceived speed (which is not up to Depay's or Di Maria's) would be average when he comes to EPL. This big space left by Laliga bottom teams wont exist even when you play Sunderland. The only thing I see is agility which is not even still up to what Falcao posses.

codedguy1:
When only zlatan dey score for us it was a problem, now someone is coming from a club where the goals are spread out amongst 2 - 3 people with the player having his fair share they say he is not a go-to guy.

MSN scored more goals that BBC but BBC won the league so for me all these he doesnt score against top clubs does not make any sense at all.

Someone score double figures regularly just yo discredit the person people come up with irrelevant stats.

Abeg joeace help me ask these guys if we had grizmann as an option instead of Rooney, would it not have improved the team?

Option ke

Griezmann will be an option? Griezmann means Rashford out to the wing or the bench. He will become our new Welbeck whose career as striker will be frustrated.

This was why I said if we can't get a cheap striker then we get Vardy to back up Rashford. Since the dependable strikers are out of reach.

Griezmann is no longer dependable sef

GloryIsaac:
Check the matches he scored in and tell me the scoreline in each of them ....

See i don tire.. if we want to gamble, no problem.

Exactly

We will never learn. The money we could use to buy four players with good potentials. A mixture of experience and potential. Ferguson did not buy Ronaldo for a world record fee. We did not buy Tevez for a word record fee.

joeace2020:
I see you have carefully avoided the penalties. Nice job.

Remove the penalties, Ronaldo has 19 goals playing only 29 matches. Abeg shift

Go and compare Griezmann to Defoe and co

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Oasis007:


You can't compare the Pace of Auba with Grizzy, and you also know deep down in your Heart that you are simply trolling.

Secondly was Grizzy played as a Striker?! Why Giroud who led the Attack couldn't win the Golden Boot?!

LOL!

And since Euro 2016 he has only scored 2 goals for France.

1 against Bulgaria which they won 4-1
1 against Luxembourg which they won 3-1

He has declined or he has been found out.

GloryIsaac:
3 against Celta Vigo.
2 against Sporting Gijon
2 against Deportivo
3 against Valencia
1 against Eibar
1 against Bilbao (which they drew 2-2)
1 against Granada
1 against Sevilla
1 against R.Madrid
1 against Espanyol

Grizzy stats in the league this season, how many big teams do you see apart from Madrid and Sevilla that he scored against only once?

Yeah, he's good, he's your go-to guy!

Griezmann is not the guy you look to in time of dire need! that's the message i'm trying to get across!!!

Cc Oasis007

Looks like someone who will NOT score against Chelsea, Tottenham, Man City, Everton, Stoke, West Ham, Watford.

May be these guys think we are going to play Kano Pillars next season.

codedguy1:
You people should not put names in elampiros fingers na




Elamps, how far?

I would have expected that for someone who has been arguing vehemently against the purchase of griezemann, that you would have at least 4 -5names off the top of your head that are better options. So that we can also debate their suitability.

This one that looks like you are going to consult amadioha and obatala for names, I yam not understanding.

You people think I don’t have other things to do. I will come with the list later.

This is how you people shout every time because someone is handsome or can dab or has ovation following his name. When they come we start waiting for next transfer window.

I was one of those who was worried that Mata wouldn't give us a match winning edge. I was alone against most of you guys led by Coogar.

I also was initially against Pogba because I said he cannot burst forward 30-40 yards with the ball and we needed such a player, then one guy here said he watches Serie A that Pogba would dig us out of our calamity. Then I accepted. During the season I ask him how far, this guy dey yab oh. He insulted me. Although I still think Pogba is a far good buy than anything Griezmann would be.

joeace2020:
We are waiting for the list. Let's hope it doesn't contain names like

Jamie Vardy, Defoe, Modeste, Gomis, Dzeko and so on

Are they not on same category as Griezmann currently? If Griezmann played for Sunderland he wont score 10 goals

Oasis007:



Perhaps, as Funlord2 earlier suggested, we should get Ahmed Musa for £20m, at least he get Pace and he's cheap. Vardy should be cheap to get too.

I really can't believe you of all Analysts could prefer a United Attack to be saddled on the Shoulders of a Rookie!

Kane was a Rookie 3 years ago. He was given a chance and that was all.

codedguy1:
Guy calm down!

Elampiro will come back with an elaborate list. I trust him.

Yes, this will be done much later

joeace2020:
Elampiro why you mischievous like this? Focus on their league. Don't come and tell us what Eyimba or Akwa United striker scoredthis season. In their league only Messi surpassed the 30 mark, of which 6 goals where penalty, take those out u have 31 goals. Suarez 29 goals no penalty. Fantastic for age and experience and beyond anyone's reach. Ronaldo 25 of which 6 are penalty. Remove them and you have 19 goals. 3 more than Greizmann, Aspas with 6 penalty tells you all u need to know. The rest are obvious. Now of all these guys Griezmann scored 16..none penalty and he is an ss.

Ronaldo played just 2500 minutes playing 29 matches.

Griezmann played 36 matches with 3000 minutes and scored just 16 goals

Funlord2:
This Is not a valid argument! I knew after you saw those figures you would start stammering or trying to change lane! So one season with lesser goals but still double figures means a decline to you? Okay how come he had more goals in the champions league this season than he had in the seasons when he scored 22 goals in the league? Or that means he he also declined in europe according to your logic?

16 league goals, remember.

You posted nonsense figures. Under normal circumstances I wouldn't even reply to those out of point figures you posted

Funlord2:
How many people score the amount of goals that ronaldo and messi score? How many players are surrounded by teammates that have the quality that barca have that ensures that suarez and messi get at least 25 a season? How many goals did mbappe score in the french league that makes clubs now want tbuy him for £100m?

Don’t dare use Griezmann to compare Suarez. If not for his sanction, Suarez would have won golden boot in EPL 2012/2013 that RVP won. The next season he won it scoring over 30 EPL goals with many solo efforts.

Despite Messi and Neymar's presence, Suarez refused to be suppressed.

Mbape is young. He has the speed of a jet and can dribble with ease. He is going up up with fair, Griezmann is coming down from his forced peak.

Funlord2:
Your man that we are paying 300k per week and that is a guaranteed starter...How many has he scored since 2014? You can't answer? Griezmanns numbers show that he is definitely going to be an improvement on the misfiring forwards we currently parade as strikers! Add one or 2 more quality players like grizzy and where do you think we may be next season! Abeg stop using intangibles like what, who, why,how and when if you are discussing football! Your name is elampiro not nostradamus!

One or two more quality players we keep saying since 2013 and we are getting worse every time we add one or two or even three.

We added Mata in 2014, he came here with all the hype. I was the only one who expressed concern. But Coogar and co kept saying Chelsea best player for three years. All the stats were on his side. Today we saw that Give-me-I-give-you Mata is just a man to complete the number. Occasional brilliance that's all. Now you want another Mata kind of player. Mata 1.3

Then we bought Di Maria and Falcao and we were to win the league and UCL. Whoosaaa

We brought Schneiderlin who was EPL best midfielder, Luke Shaw best full back, Herrera. We thought the left back and midfield was settled.

Then we brought Mephis who won the golden boot from the wing, and Martial.

How many additions do you count. How much spent? Yet only one or two more we should be okay.

Now we brought Pogba, Mkhitaryan and Ibrahimovic. Still two more quality players needed. And you want to bring Griezmann who cannot bring something special to win a game. The circle continues.

Funlord2:
A man that leads the line for a footballing juggernaut like france is who is declining? A man short listed for the golden ball is who you are doubting? A man that won player of the tournament in the last euros is who who think united should ignore? A man real even with the rivalry wants? A man that has scored some of the best goals in la Liga and the champions league this season is who you don't want to see at united? But they should renew rooneys contract I guess? My guy go chop eba make you sleep small! Grizzy is coming to man united! If you don't like it stop watching the games and I go dey gist you as him dey next season play for nairaland!

Kanu Nwankwo once had similar glories in 1996 and declined ever after. How can you even compare 2016 to now. We are preparing for 2017/2018 season.

George Weah achieved more and was not heard again.

Oasis007:


I had to watch a Clip of Griezmann to confirm his lack of Pace and dribbling Skill, but I was disappointed, coz he doesn't lack any of the two Qualities.

Elampiro claimed Griezmann is declining, yet he won the Euro 2016 Golden Boot as a SS.

Even FIFA 17 has his pace at around 87

Aubameyang is 97

Euro 2016 with a very good French team that Chicharito could have scored 10 goals. And he ruined their final. Perhaps you saw his dribbling against Luxemburg

Danhumprey:
I think Elampiro isn't being fair to Griezmann,although I understand his fears about us buying Griezmann, but he's using one season to judge Griezmann and that's not fair.

l[b]ook at the season Griezmann made the Ballon D'or 3rd position[/b]. he posted good performance and deserving of that position. it's can be argue that he should have even come 2nd sef


all in all, I'm still not sold on this Griezmann transfer, but I'm keeping my fingers crossed.

Kanu Nwankwo once finished 4th and we didn't see him again.

George Weah once won it and we didnt see him again.

Consider these and many more like them

Oasis007:
Do you think we can just bully any Club or Player with Money?! What about if the Club is not selling the Target or the Target refuses to sign for us?!

You and I want the best for United, getting a Player like Griezmann isn't a downfall for the Club. We need to consider the Players' availability and Clubs' Transfers Policy.

Why can we buy Messi, Neymar or Suarez from Barcelona?, or perhaps we should bring back Ronaldo from Real Madrid.

How are you so sure Dortmund would sell Auba to us or the Player himself would prefer coming to United?!

No one is saying Griezmann is a Messiah, but he's one of the best you could get and be proud of!

I would rather play Rashford and develope him instead of buying a 16 league goal striker for £70m or more. We can back him up with a striker like Vardy.

I still see names of strikers that scored 25 goals in some other leagues. Why always we?

Did A. Madrid cough £100m for Falcao? Costa? Greizmann?

Did Spur cough £100m for Kane?

Did Chelsea cough £100m for Costa

Did Bayern cough £100m for highly proven Lewandowsky?

codedguy1:
Please name the others we should be looking for?

Let's even have an idea who you think is ideal for that position.

Realistically.

I will be back with a list later.

joeace2020:
You can manouvere it all you want. But the fact remain that dribbling doesnt win you jack in the BPL, goals do. All your dribbling is nought if you cannot rack atleast 20+ goals a season. Greizmann has done it the last season and the one before and his 16 this season is 4 shy off. In a two horse league, that is great. Not forgetting his been the top league scorer for athletico in a far from good season. Dimaria with all this dribbling didn't cut it in united. Ran away like a pussy and all you can give is the LVG excuse.

You argument is highly flawed.

Firstly, I never said dribbling win you games. I said you should tell me top footballers with high price tag without dribbling skills.

Secondly, goals win you league as you said. But Griezmann is not a great scorer. Is it 16 goals that will win us league?

3. Thirdly, Atletico team is better than ours. They finished third in their league. If you say they play defensive game, are we not worse? If not for Rashford fast legs we wont even go forward.

larride:
So no one has read about the Terror attack in Manchester last night?

I saw it last night

Funlord2:
You want league goals? Here are his league goals...IN LA LIGA ONLY!


1: 2014/15....37 appearances 22 goals

2: 2015/16.....38 appearances 22 goals

3:2016/17.....36 appearances 16 goals


Compare them with the numbers of any of your beloved strikers that have led the line for united since 2014/15...dont even try to add ZLATAN!

1. 22 goals in a league where top scorers score 30 to 40 goals every season.

2. 16 goals this season. He has declined already.

3. Diego Costa scored 27 league goals before joining Chelsea, but could only reach 20 in the EPL.

4.Zlatan scored 38 league goals before coming to EPL. He highest ever. Now he can't score 20. You want us to take 16 goals striker. Do you just love his looks or his name (Griezmann) or anything to improve on what we have?

Funlord2:
Griezmann has scored double figures every season since he joined Athletico in the 2014/15 season! He has so far scored 83 goals in 183 appearances for them! He has 15 goals in the champions league so far while playing for a defensive side with scarce resources!


If you ask them what rooney has been doing since the same 2014/15 season they would start coughing blood! This was how most of you hated on zlatan and cried over his fees before he came and cello taped your mouths shut with goals!


1: aubameyang has said it is real madrid for life?

2: Mbappe has said nobody can yarn him as e go be and that he wants to be guaranteed number one striker status on any teams sheet till after the world cup?

3: Bayern chiefs would back hand any agent that even attempts to ask for Lewandowski phone number?

4: The day we sign harry Kane this summer is the same day the middle east crisis will automatically end!

5: since you guys are patriotic nigerians and don't want to spend any money Ahmed musa is available for £15m..and he can dribble!


Abeg I no get time for all this wailing and gnashing of teeth over dribbles and sqawka abi na swagga stats when I have eyes and a brain! Get behind your _fucking team and allow jose develop his vision for next season!

Please give us only league goals. Double figure my foot. You added cup matches, local cup matches.

Oasis007:


I know whoever you do not like or want is in trouble!

The truth is I feel he is a gamble. He might come in and prove me wrong. But from what is on ground, we should look for another. The worst is that he doesn't have the pace to burst forward like Rashford. All the chances we couldn't make something out of due to lack of pace of Ibrahimovic might still be the same story. A through ball that should be one vs one would amount to nothing because a pacing defender recovered.

Griezmann problem actually started from Euro 2016 final. He could have won it for France but he missed glaring chances. He has even regress from that tournament.

Oasis007:
Bro..... the bold part is all we are asking for! We need a proven Goal Scorer and I think Griezman is one of the Answers.

How is Griezmann a proven striker? 16 goals in 36 matches proven?

The same number of goals with j.King of Bournemouth and Defoe of relegated Sunderland.

And there is a striker that has proven himself again. Why not put the money on him? Aubameyang

We should be aiming for strikers who score 20 goals plus every season. Griezmann is a gamble.

Just look at Kane in Tottenham season after season. Look at Aubameyang

joeace2020:
OK.. So was Di Maria a mistake?

Di Maria was not a mistake. Even for £56m he people still complained he was too expensive. He was not properly used.

But Griezmann's case is different. We want to buy him to score goals but he is not in scoring form and cannot go past a man.

joeace2020:
Elampiro you no know ball. Here's dimaria. See between Madrid and United and tell me how it went

At Madrid and Manchester United, Di Maria was substituted in almost every game. He was substituted more in United. His dribble per match (per 90 minutes) did not change.

Di Maria was very good at United until Van Gaal changed his position where he excelled on his arrival.

Despite his not so much game time, Di Maria still finished with 10 Assist in 1645 minutes "that's half of the time Griezman played this season that he had 8 Assists.

In 2014/2015 EPL season, Di Maria came second in Assists/minutes played for players playing more than 400 minutes.

Fabregas 160.6 minutes per Assist
Di Maria 164.5 minutes per Assists

That was the season Fabregas was crowned king of Assists.

If Di Maria with so much dribbling skills struggled in EPL, then Griezmann would just be a waste.

joeace2020:
Yea right. After Pogba cost almost twice that and is not even a winger or striker. Keep deceiving yourself. Now see who you are comparing Griezmann with.. ROONEY! And he played behind who RVP? In the EPL. Does it make sense drawing comparison between two players from different leagues and at different stages of their career. One has played top flight football for years, knows the league in and out and you want to compare him with Griezmann. You are now grasping at anything regardless of if it is even worth using for comparison to undermine him.

You are not making sense at all. I compared Griezmann with his team mates in Atletico Madrid and he came far behind in dribbling. In scoring he is far behind in Laliga. He has the same goals as midfielders in European leagues despite playing far more matches.

Pogba's game did not drop before we bought him. Pogba was the highest rated midfielder when we bought him. Pogba was also top in Assist in Serie A when we bought him. Pogba is just 23 while Griezmann is 26

Griezmann currently is not among 10 top scorers in the world. He is not among top players in Assist.

Even if we made a mistake with Pogba, are you suggesting we repeat another with Griezmann?

Think

joeace2020:
And so? Have we won the league with Pogba' dribbling. Are we looking for an Ikedia in the team or someone who can assist and score?

Can Griezmann score? He scored 16 league goals in 36 matches. When Rooney scored 17 goals in 20+ matches under Moyes despite playing behind RVP it was deem to be a weak return.

But you are funny. Was it me who started the dribbling analysis. Someone mentioned that dribbling is Griezmann's quality. I only corrected the wrong impression. The guy is not good for even £50m

All our forwards and midfielders have a better dribbling rate than Griezmann, except Mata, Rooney, Ibrahimovic, Mata, Fellaini and Carrick.

Martial, Rashford, Pogba, Mkhitaryan, Lingard, Herrera are all ahead of him. Even Valencia and Young are ahead.

Although it is a different team and league, this is a big signal that we should not pay too much for this guy. It is another gamble.

Chelsea bought Diego Costa for £32m

But now we hear a less prolific striker has a release clause of £100m