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From stats, Griezmann is the worst dribbler among all A.Madrid forward players.

EmmGee:
Griezman is pretty good. He makes intelligent runs. He can dribble he can score. I like the guy and i think he can make it at any level. Don't let his disappearance in matches against madrid deceive you.

He played 36 league games

Goals 16
Assist 8
Chances created per match 1.6
Dribbles per match 0.7

How is a player with 0.7 dribbles per match a good dribbler?

Oasis007:
BREAKING NEWS

Antoine Griezmann tells French TV there is a "six out of 10" chance of him joining Manchester United this summer.

The Atletico Madrid forward will decide his future in the next two weeks.

Hope we are not making a terrible mistake with this guy?

angels09:
Op this woman is over 40 years of age. Find young ladies to post about.... Refiner optional1 or trapqueen... Ok?

She uses her real age. I have met someone who knows her.

We are going to have a front three of Rashford, Mkhitaryan and Lingard/Mata/Martial

We are going to depend on Rashford or Mkhitaryan to shoot us to the Champions League next season.

Midfield is settled except if Felliani couldn't recover. Herrera, Pogba and Fellaini.

Earlier in the season, we had a very forward thinking midfield of Carrick, Herrera and Pogba. But we know Mourinho loves Fellaini.

If Fellaini can give his best, he will be tough to deal with. Sometimes he is a beast.

It looks like Ashley Young is not going to return. I would have love to have him on the left instead of Darmian. We should go for attack outpacing them instead of trying to cope with them.

If everyone were available, it could easily have been Valencia - Bailly - Rojo - Darmian/Young.

Or we could just have adopted the formation we used against Chelsea. But we are missing Rojo and Young, so we wont be as effective with that formation of 3-5-2

We are going into the Europa final without any of our strongest central defensive pairing this season. In the middle of the season we had a strong pairing of Jones and Rojo. Towards the end of the season we had Bailly and Rojo.

The absence of Rojo means that we might be a bit vulnerable and lacking full confidence in that department.

1. Smalling and Blind
2. Jones and Smalling
3. Jones and Blind

Smalling and Blind pairing looks like what we are going to play because of the height of Smalling to compensate for a defensive line lacking height. Valencia, Jones, Blind and Darmian are not tall, although Jones has a jumping power. Jumping power against a naturally tall forward with good aerial ability can still be a burden. I haven't seen much of Ajax this season, so I don't know the quality of their players. Another reason Smalling and Blind look ideal is because we are facing a dutch side, therefore Blind being dutch might just be thrown at them. With this line up we will have Valencia, Smalling, Blind and Darmian. Blind in the center back means we play deep. But Valencia's ability to carry the ball forward should prove vital except Ajax pay particular attention to stop him.

Jones and Smalling is my ideal starting centre back pairing . They are fast and can play high on the pitch with ease. They will handle aerial battles well. Some people might want to point to our goals conceded against Arsenal and Tottenham. The truth is if Celta Vigo were good finishers, they could have scored three or more goals. Blind was also at fault when we almost conceded a last minute goal. Tottenham and Arsenal are having fun scoring freely this time and we were without Valencia, Pogba, Felliani Herrera to provide proper shield to the defence. We could make a strong line up with this - Valencia, Smalling, Jones and Darmian. Mourinho has decided for whatever reason that Jones plays on the left side. From his pairing with Bailly against Palace, that might be the pairing next season until Rojo returns in January.

Jones and Blind. This pairing is a no no for me because of lack of height. Secondly they have never formed a pairing.

osgreat:
Did you even watch the free kick?

Van der sar didn't dive or save a jack. He didn't make any move to save the ball.

The one you are differentiating between right footed and left footed doesn't make any difference. My poibt is that a very good free kick taker will score on a good day against any keeper and that doesn't make such keeper a bad keeper when we a talking of a keeper with good pedigree.

The two scored against VDS that we're talking about were left footed free kicks bent over the wall and scored with VDS not making a move to save any.

There are two freekicks in that video. There was a diving in the second one. VDS almost saved the second. Go and watch your video again.

You no know ball that is why you wouldn't understand the importance of looking at the foot with which the kick is taken. Right foot from right side to the side keeper is protecting will hardly trouble a good keeper because it goes across him while veering away from goal. A left foot from there would be a R2 curly, it looked initially to be going wide on the keeper's right side, but bend into far corner. It travels out and in.

Why do you think the commentators say this is 'Messi's position' 'this is Ronaldo's territory ', etc. This is because a left footer (Messi, Bale, Di Maria, Mata, Blind ) will likely score a free kick from the right edge of the box from where DeGea conceded against Swansea. Same way a tight foot taker (Ronaldo, Pogba,) will most likely score from the left side of the box when facing keeper, from where DeGea conceded against Payet.

If a right footer is taking from the right side of the the edge of the box where Mata usually play from, it become hard to trouble the keeper because the ball will be veering from the goal, except when hit straight over the wall into near post behind the wall.

Same way when the free kick is to be taken with a left foot on the left side of the edge of the box.

If you watch well, Messi hardly plays from the left side. Neymar doesn't play from the right side. Bale doesn't take from the left side. Ronaldo hardly takes from the right side, Zlatan hardly takes from the right. There are territories based on the foot.

osgreat:
Your emphasis was that De Gea even didn't make a move to save the free kick and that he was rooted to the spot. That's the reason why I brought Van der sar into the picture because as good asbVan der sar was, he has also conceded free kicks standing rooted to the spot without making a move to save at all.

Does that now make Van der sar a bad keeper because of that?

Does that now make Pereira and Romero better than De Gea and Van der sar?

If you go back to when this argument started against Sawnsea, you would see that my complaint was particularly that a right footer took it, and so it should have been more predictable. We have now seen two in quick succession with DeGea - against Fernabache and Swansea.

Against Fernabache, I didn’t complain but against Swansea again from same position with tight foot, haba!!!

Van Der Sar even dived full length in one and got a finger on the ball.


Good night

chrisley024:
No. Most free kicks are aimed at the post behind the wall and I've seen more free kicks scored there. Also a free kick taker can aim the ball anywhere like we saw in Willian's and Rashford's.

Right for mostly go to near post from there. The keeper should suspect it once it is being hit with a right foot. If you don't move on time there is no chance to get there.

Freekick aimed with the opposite foot at the post behind the wall are mostly weak or over the bar. It requires good takers to tuck it in. Like when Mata used to score for us.

Rashford's case was exceptional and the average keeper at goal made it possible. His attempt to return was poor. Ordinary, a right foot aiming from there to that angle should be an easy save because the ball goes across the goalkeeper into the goal. It shouldn't be a problem to regain balance even if a step is already taken.

This is my last post on the matter. I need to go to bed now.

Odunharry:
An ageing Vidic and Rio??

2011/2012, I think Vidic didn't have much playing time. Same as 2012/2013.

chrisley024:
So they're the only ones he conceded? You're now grabbing at frequency. VDS spent 6yrs, in a period we were top in Europe, same with DDG in our worst period in more than 2 decades. Only you can free yourself of the hatred for him.

Unto Wednesday and hoping these guys get a win whichever way they want to do it.

Remember this argument began when I said DeGea should have anticipated that right foot freekicks from there mostly go to that same spot where he had conceded twice. Romero stopped a right from kick from there. Peirera did today. Van Der Sar's kick were taken with left foot which mostly are aimed at far post where the keeper is protecting. But the kicks were curled back to same near angle (instead of usual R2 to far post) which amounted to special tricks by the left foot taker. Messi does it. Mata used to do it.

My major problem with DeGea is lack of anticipation that the ball could go over the wall. Despite a left foot shot, Van Der Sar still went for the ball. DeGea used to go but he has regressed. I am angry at this particular lack of action on such balls coupled with his lack of aerial prowess. I am not hiding my anger because I think he invites pressure with his lack of aerial command.

osgreat:
It's no longer 'retiring Van der sar'.

It's no longer 'Van der sar always have control of his box'

Those are the ones I can remember without searching through the net. If I have the time to search, I'm sure I'll get more.

But odunharry remembered that he conceded that of 2006 also.

Show me where I said Van Der Sar had never conceded such. I said he rarely conceded freekicks cheaply, and when taken with a RIGHT FOOT from that position it is easier to predict. But DeGea conceded two right foot freekicks from there.

osgreat:
Nakamura of Celtic was in UCL in 2006.

2006
2009 according to you.

That's 3 years apart. Those who saw 2009 wont even remember he was beaten in 2006.

The frequency is excusable. Van Der Sar almost got a hand to one. But DeGea stayed rooted in both inside one season. And Romero has saved twice, a new keeper comfortably saved one today.

GloryIsaac:
I bet that they'll have defended him with their lives.....some will start analysing how tough it is to catch that ball, some will blame the wall or the guy who conceded the freekick... smh..

Lol

Freekick over the wall, it is the wall's duty, they will say. But today, the boy made it his duty.

chrisley024:
A free kick that hit pole to go in. Abeg goan sleep

Today’s freekick could have gone in or even in via the pole, but it was saved.

Odunharry:
One played with good defence in front him, the other played with shitty players who couldn't just stay fit for a month.
Its either they get injure in training or match.

One has played more minutes and the other has more saves and clean sheets..

VDS N DE GAE.


Elampiro wont remember the free kick he saved against Everton and the second half Oviedo strike he saved last season too.

Was it not the same defence that DeGea met in 2011/2012 and the panick from crosses immediately began? Oppositions started staying with him to intimidate him, something that never happened before. The new defence you complained about is what Romero used to take us to the final. The new keeper came to ease them of aerial burden today by running out far to punch a corner kick.

Van Der Sar made crosses useless for opponents.

Odunharry:
Gyfil

You see, a similar freekick a small boy Peirera pinned today. Taken from same spot, same foot and aimed close to the post. He pinned it kpam.

osgreat:
Retiring days of Van der sar in 2006 barely a year after he was bought & 2009?

Excuses upon excuses after showing you that Van der sar has also conceded such free kicks.

The video I saw was the Jersey we used in either 2009 or 2010. Not 2006.

Remember again, I am not saying a keeper cannot be beaten from free kick, but the frequency. When DeGea was beaten against Payet, I didn’t talk. When he was beaten against Fernabache, I didn’t talk. They are just becoming too frequent.

chrisley024:
You're now shifting goalpost. Now aerial balls not free kick

I am not shifting. DeGea conceded freekick against Payet. Even Payet said he didn't expect to beat him from there. This season he conceded two similar freekicks.

My major worry was that DeGea didn’t even anticipate the ball could go over the wall in both cases this season. He was caught rooted against Fernabache and Swansea.

Today, Peirera didn’t just save, he caught the freekick. That's a young keeper. Good anticipation. If it were DeGea today and the ball beat him, people would have said he is not at fault.

osgreat:
Even when we all saw that he was poor, he's unjustly attacked here? You are doing the same against De gea.

Rooney is blamed in every game we lose whether he was our best player on the pitch or worst. It doesn't matter.

But DeGea is a sacred cow that his flaws must not be discussed.

Why did you even bring Rooney into this? Is Rooney a goalkeeper? Abeg shift.

chrisley024:
Don't understand what you saw or saying.
And how about the VDS'?

So if Van Der Sar concedes one freekick in two-three seasons you hold him against him? Someone whose aerial prowess rendered opposing teams useless from crosses.

chrisley024:
This one by the great Schemichel
http://makeagif.com/gif/top-30-free-kick-goals-hd-9OQmpE

This one is ridiculous na. This is more like a penalty. This is taken from the 18 line and it went under the wall.

Messi finally scores a penalty. Barca leads 3-2

Now switch to Madrid again.

osgreat:
Says the same elampiro who analyses Rooney's matches because it's Wayne Rooney. You that sees nothing wrong in Rooney's performances even when it's obvious to everybody that he had a poor game.

Rooney is unjustly attacked here.

Messi missed a tap in, and then missed a penalty. A dubious penalty awarded. Evil referee

chrisley024:
Take a look at this which is even easier to save
http://makeagif.com/gif/top-30-free-kick-goals-hd-HpbvdV

I can't see any video. Hope it is not when Van Der Sar was retiring?

Van Der Sar was king of aerial balls. A few errors once in a long while could be excused sef.

Barca down at home 0-2

It could have been 0-3

Barca pull one back now.

Oasis007:


Are you kidding? LOL!

Technology to measure what?

LWKMD!

I can argue that this shot was faster. How can you dispute it?

tess1:
Nakamura of Celtic. Yes, that is one of it. That Nakamura's free kick was even far like I think almost 30yrds outside. Though I'm not so sure about how far but it beats Van der sar hands down. But that didn't make him a bad goal keeper.

A good free kick taker can score against any goalie on his good day.

If a keeper is beaten once in a while, it is excusable. And you should stop talking about retiring days of Van Der Sar.

tess1:
Without even going to search the internet, I still remember two which odunharry have mentioned one.

I know you don't like De Gea even when he was bought, so i'm not surprised about this your latest criticism of him.

It is not a matter of liking or disliking DeGea. We should not analyse matches because he is DeGea?