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Pogba's shot was not a good save, but a poor attempt. Pogba didn't look up to pick his spot. He just shot at the goal, and he shot directly at the goalkeeper.

He had another chance to make a decent attempt at 1-1, his lack of scoring confidence meant he decided to cut back instead of hitting that shot at close range.

He was far behind

He was behind three players, particularly behind Fellaini and Darmian. If Fellaini kept running, he would have defended the ball with ease.

Darmian saw it, but was not able to give a good challenge. Luke Shaw would have not allowed a free header. Even Young could have done better.

The guy that scored was way behind.

MRTA7:
I didn't see this quality football you're claiming we played.

You mostly see negative

On a serious note, the football was fine, courtesy of Carrick.

There is something missing in the team. We are not very business like.

We played quality football and didn't deserve to concede a goal.

mployer:
She doesn't have it. The police doesn't have it.

They have it.
Remember we saw sexting photos.
Also, some journalists claimed they saw those nude photos

mployer:
She should post a s3x video or nude pics. Is that difficult to do?

So you want to see the Apostle's nudes? Well the police have them sha

irynterri:
1 million just to get someone off the street..abeg Apostle wherever you are come and pick me off the street oooo

1 million
900k
200k

That is 2.1m in one statement. Remember she said there were foreign currencies transfers

mantosa:
It baffles me most youths just want stories. The Pastor admitted giving her money, I was expecting to see series of transfer but I'm just seeing one. And to even think it was in July of 2015, just a month after she claimed she discussed with him.


Does that not even prove that this girl is on a mission only her knows about.

Wayward child sent from the pit of hell.

She is just looking for media publicity and sadly the end game would be brutal for her. The man has a followership already, a religious one for that matter and destroyin that followership isn't just by painting their leader bad.

On the other hand, she might end up being depressed when people choose to ignore her and what happens next? Suicide. God forbids that but she needs to first think about her future. The internet never forgets.

Even if any of such her claims truly happened, a smart girls would know better than running internet blackmails. Her stay in Canada couldn't even give her a bit of exposure. Shame.

Did you watch the video where the statement was reviewed? There are three transfers there. And these are not even the foreigner currencies transfers earlier mentioned.

The three transfer there in her account statement is about 2 million naira or more.

Spy360:
There are many connotative meanings of talent. It could even mean money.

But when used in relation to physical ability; especially when compared to skill or 'learning' (I did some sociology), talent is from birth.

For example, speed. Some kids just run faster than others. They have never even thought of it as athletics not to even imagine being trained to run. Others include: eye-hand/leg coordination, quick thinking, proactivity, stamina, endurance, confidence etc.

These abilities are not learned but can only be developed.

In terms of skill, learning must take place. Learning is a character 'change' not development. For example: reading, writing, bending a ball, ball control, shooting accuracy.

Talents help in acquiring skills, but both are not 'exactly' the same.

I do not agree that when related to physical ability talent is connected to birth. Most commentators used 'talented' and 'talent' when talking about the proficiency (finished products) of sports men and women.

We hear and read about how much talented Serena Williams is, Usain Bolt, Xavi, Inieta, etc. When you read how they are analyse, their talent is not discussed in relation to when they were young but in relation to what techniques they currently apply.

Today, no one says Macheida is a great talent despite his potentials ten years ago. Football and sports talent is discussed on one's proficiency, not some imaginable unacquired skills.

Secondly, do you know from my personal observation that kids who ride bicycle around tend to run faster? Even in primary school and junior secondary school, those pupils and students who rode their bicycles to school those days were faster on the track and football field. So it is possible those kids you think were faster from birth, that something actually propelled them to be faster than their peers.

There is element of training to every success or talent. However, training makes more impact at young age. If Messi didn't train until he got to 15 years before he trained for the first time, he would probably have been a worse footballer than Edward Ayanke.

Again, if Messi didn’t train until he got to 20 years, he would not have been able to trap a simple pass. He wouldn't have been qualified to represent Market women FC.

Why do you think lawn tennis players, swimmers, are put under serious training from age 3-6? It is to make the game part of their brain and body system. They were not born with it as such. Let them not train and boast of talent, then when they return at age 13 they would have missed it forever.

sinaj:
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Baby

sinaj:
Haba! This lady shouldn't leave us in suspense o!

She has to finish wat she started

Sinaj

lekkie073:
when u have d talent u need little training to excel in what u do. messi's football at age 9 and when he started winning d world best are not different. what u see him do now, he has been doing it on d pitch before his teenage years.... dribbling people to fall down like boateng, scoring free kicks, destroying a full defense line up to score. that's talent. it come naturally as d definition u posted.

Ronaldo was also a wonder kid according to friends and his mother. Even elders had to go carry him from home to play matches when he was sick. At that young age his mum knew he would play for Madrid. When you see Ronaldo jog the ball even 11 years ago, you knew he was magical. He jogs the ball, then use his leg to circle the ball in the air and continue jogging it. I remember one match against Arsenal, was it against Sagna that Ronaldo was criss crossing his feet and his markers started seeing stars. Even we watching on TV, it was hard to follow the movement of his legs.

These other players they used to compare Ronaldo in talent, if they were really talented, they would have been consistent with little amount of training.

raumdeuter:
In their adult years they are already formed. Your talent is no longer consequaetial but your end product. No one will call Messi a talent now or Suarez their talents dont count again its their product that counts

When you are young what I evaluate as talent is
1. Your ball control,
2. How you carry/protect the ball i.e the ball must always be within your control not just kick the ball and chase it.
3 Is the ability to keep the ball in your control, LOOK UP to see others and release the ball on time,
4. Your confidence on the ball not just make e no spoil for my hand

When you look at a player like Messi, Ronaldo Quaresma Neymar Robinho etc from an early age they had this. That was why many scouts of top clubs were running around for their signature. Though some had it more than others, Messi you will see run 50meters and the ball would be like its glued to his leg. What will now matter is how much work they put into the talent, Some believe because they are better than their teamates they dont need to push themselves harder.

If you have all the above qualities at a high level by 17yrs all you need is discipline, watch your diet and train hard everyday, push yourself

All those guys carrying cement in training dont have the elite talent and no matter the hardwork you cant build talents just like you have some people who can read for 3yrs and still not understand because they don't have the native intelligence or that part of their brain is not developed

When you say someone is talented, you are talking about ability and accomplishment.

Quaresma should not be mentioned among best talented footballers.

raumdeuter:
If you dont have the talent you cant train it, Ronaldo had the talent Quaresma had the talent. Ronaldo worker many times harder than Quaresma that is why he is considered one of the best ever, Ahmed Musa isnt on the same skill level as these players If Musa trains harder he might be a better player than say Quaresma but will never beat someone who had the talent and trains

Its like in academics, Some are brilliant, some study hard, The ultimate student is one who is naturally brilliant and now studies hard

It is even possible Ahmed Musa and Quaresma trained harder than Ronaldo. Ahmed Musa may have trained harder than the other two because African players train very hard while coming up. Some even play two matches a day.

But I have noticed something, you appear to think talent is only about what one had naturally (from birth). The truth is when you say someone is talented, you are also saying he is a success, an authority in his field, etc. Success is usually as a result of natural ability and hard work. Therefore, when we talk about the greatest football talent, Quaresma cannot be mentioned. You look at talent only on the latent context. That's wrong.

raumdeuter:
Quaresma will be 34 this year. That is how you know unserious but talented footballers, they play some games you wonder if this is Maradona, and they play the rest of the season being average

We have many like that in football, particularly those of them who have come from Brazil. Robinho, Denilson (is that his name?). Even Wright Phillips.

These guys were just pure limited. They reach world class today and become zero the rest of the season. Even such players as Hulk, Bellamy, Nani, used to reach world class status in some matches. How are you sure these guys don't train harder than Ronaldo?

In those days, when you go to Stadium in Nigeria, or some serious training ground, you will see footballers carrying weight or bag of cement while jogging, yet they were never world class.
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Remember, this argument was about the finished product a footballer has become. The skills they have as an adult. So leave out development years because we don't know who could have been who with hard work.

Rooney could have been the best footballer this generation has seen with hardwork, Okocha could have been more consistent than Zidane with hardwork. These are mere theories. This argument is taking about actual talent and skills of adult footballers in their late 20s or 30s.

lordfalcao:
you made a point.. It is hard to find a footballer as focused as c.ronaldo..

Quersma has the same talent with Ronaldo but lackadaisical attitude killed off his game. I think he is beginning to take football serious again...

You can become lackadaisical when you put in so much and you still don't measure up. You get motivated to carry on when you put in effort and your body keep responding to every effort. That's why we have Ronaldo.

I gave an example of Rafael Da Silva who trained harder than anyone at United (from what SAF said, he might have trained harder than Ronaldo) but never became the best right back.

raumdeuter:
I believe if Quaresma is as driven as Ronaldo or trained as hard as Ronaldo he will be as good. Nani isnt as talented as both of them.

I have read that Ronaldo doesnt drink or smoke some said he doesnt even have tattooes. To find a footballer that focused on his career is hard .
In football hardly have I seen anyone that focused. Ronaldo had the build of Neymar before or even darkrebel, but look at what he looks like now, He trained his shooting, trained his heading, he reduced his dribbles and fan entertainment. He started doing things that are more productive and left those useless take-on that make fans shout

Ronaldo is talented but he isnt the most talented footballer we have ever seen, He might not even make top 10 in talent but now he is in conversation of who is the greatest of all time due to his hard work

Many trained harder than Ronaldo and still didn’t become a real talent.

One must train and develop ones latent talent to reach a world class talent. Quaresma, Ronaldo, Ahmed Musa are players who have done all the trainings they need to do in life, so when we discussed them, we should discuss what they are today (the skills they have acquired), not the ones they should have acquired.

Ronaldo has always been better built than Neymar. Ronaldo always had muscle and strong abs. He has always been fast and jump high for the ball. Even athleticism is not gotten at old age. In sports, everything you need to excel should have been part of you like 60% by age 16. By age 18 you should have had them by about 70%. Ronaldo wouldn't have just developed these qualities as an adult.

But before I deviate, we are not talking about latent talents of teenage footballers, but the talent these professional footballers have become.

randomperson:
I will choose Ronaldo but that doesn't change the fact that statistically Ronaldo 's accuracy percentage is lower than that of others... That's the hard fact... The construction of the facts is another matter entirely

Well, I know Ronaldo is able to hit target most of the time when there is space to shoot. Bale was also very accurate.

But both are poor in free kicks. That is not what I am talking about.

randomperson:
This is not true... For shots outside the box, Ronaldo has a terrible shot accuracy.. The reason he scores or used to score a lot of them was because he played a lot of them... In fact he played three times the number of shots an average player will play per match

So between Ronaldo and Nani, who would you choose to score for you from a clear position at the edge of the box assuming the next marker is 3 yards away. Not freekicks.

Gyalchester:
Look at the way you are hyping yourself, Papa Elamps for Ballondor 2018

Lol. I believe I was actually very good but I was not awaken to what I could have done with it, or may be I realized late I should have taken some risk with football. People still run into me and tell me how good I used to play football. Even the people I have worked with have certain times run into people who told them 'that your colleague used to be a very good footballer'. I was really a good dribbler and I scored the highest goals by the miles in the two major training grounds I played, despite playing as a support striker (what is now called AMC). Even in my NYSC training team I was the highest scorer in trainings, but I played deep in midfield mid during matches because in our first match the ball wasn't coming out of the defence and we were struggling to cope. The guy who played there was also an AM, so I decided to swap positions with him because I had played there before in a similar circumstance. At the end people were calling me Sunday Oliseh, little did they know it was not even my position.

When I was a teenager, during live matches on TV, I will say I can do what these people are doing and I see nothing too special. Particularly those junior world cup.

The first day I saw Samuel Eto played football, I think it was 1998 or 2000 Nations Cup for Cameroon, I saw someone who played the way I play football, but I think I could dribble better even though I use mostly one leg. He wasn't playing with strength like African strikers - Yekini, Yeboa, Amokachie, etc. Even friends said "this is your kind of swift movements and drives in the opposition area. Why don't you still pursue football? " But I was already deep into academics.

But one thing about football is when you go higher, the speed and intensity become more and you are not able to do the things you did at your previous level. But I was able to play with fair and great expression at NYSC despite not playing much in the University, so may be if I pushed I could have succeeded. And people from my playing ground who were not considered talented even had to play for Nigeria professional league. Just only because they put football above their school.

codedguy1:
From your aguement with eph1 you made it sound like once you are talented/skill ful the player will be consistent, which is what am trying to make you understand is not exactly true.

There are many things involved in a players development. Talent , skills, discipline, hard work, these attributes are what will most llikely give a player consistency. Even Ronaldo just like raumdeuter pointed out was not consistent in his early days at man u but he put in the work.

Discipline and hard work are MORE likely to give a player consistency than just being talented or skillful.

so when a talented and skillful player decides to be disciplined and hardworking, you get a consistent player like Ronaldo.

The mistake you people make here is bringing in development years into the argument.

Eph1 brought the cases of Messi and Ahmed Musa, two players who have fully developed and are approaching 30 years. So bringing Ronaldo of 18 years into the argument doesn't make sense.

The difference between Messi and Ahmed Musa is talent and skills not consistentency. These players have gone through all the training and hardwork that should make the talent they are. They are both graduates in their field. Just like we can say the difference between Roger Federer and Nduka Odizo is talent. The defence between Celine Dion and Janet Jackson is talent.

randomperson:
Ronaldo doesn't have 70% shooting accuracy... Not sure even Messi has that..
I get your point

Not every goal attempt is a shooting accuracy in the context I speak. There are times you just make attempts for the sake of that is logical to do under the circumstance. But what I mean is shooting particularly from outside the box or just inside it after the way is clear to hit target with a powerful shot, either curly it or hitting a rocket. Nani mostly balloon from there while Ronaldo, Robben and Messi mostly hit target from such clear shooting position.

raumdeuter:
You are very wrong. As far as talent goes, Quaresma is as talented as Ronaldo is not more, What made Ronaldo different is he worked 10 times harder than Quaresma did.

When Ronaldo got to Man Utd there were many things he couldnt do all he was good at then was dribbling. After regular training Ronaldo spent hours behind training his shot, his free kick he had to train himself, headers he trained himself, I have seen a show where a corner will be taken and they will switch off the light immediately and Ronaldo will still try to head the ball in the dark

There are very few players who worked as hard as Ronaldo on their game. He takes care of his body, he is disciplined and worked hard, without these hardwork, Ronaldo will just be another Simao Sabrosa. Actually by 2005 some people were already giving up on Ronaldo, After that 2006 world cup he turned it up and became a beast. See how he turned his skinny frame into a mass of muscle you see now

Quaresma was so talented that Barcelona got him at 20 but he didnt apply himself anymore he didnt work hard, If Quaresma put half the work of Ronaldo we would be looking at a totally different player

The thing is even if Quaresma or Nani trained as hard as Ronaldo, they wouldn't be as good. Do you know Ibrahimovic train very hard, if not hander than Ronaldo?

Rafael Da Silva was said to trained like a beast according to Ferguson. He spent more hours training alone after everyone had gone. But Rafael has never been the best right back in football, not even his league.

It is not the people who train most that are the most talented. Talent/skills is partly natural and partly gotten from training. It is what your brain and body inherited permanently from training that makes your talent.

In other words, talent is something that sits permanently in your brain and body, but mostly in your brain. Once there you don't force it, you just do things like you were born with it. You become consistent. But the untalented person forces things and get things right once in a long while.

Let me tell give another example to make you guys understand.

There is a football training ground I go to from time to time to watch guys play. The guys are mostly in their 20s. When these guys are playing free kicks, I join to participate. They wonder how I am able to hit the ball so accurately with bullet shots. And I don't train, I only join them in kicks once in a while. These guys train everyday and play matches here and there. Even a close by University school players train with them.

I am far older than these guys, but they cannot strike the ball accurately like I do. They train every day, but I used only the skills I learnt decades back. I started playing football when I was four and played till I did NYSC.

The difference between me and these guys is talent/skills. Ryan Giggs will still cross the ball better than anyone at Manchester United today.

The coach of that training ground has pleaded with me several times to come train with them even if it is once a week. But I just think I am not in good physical fitness to run around at same pace with the young guys. I may have to do individual training and jogging for two months or more. Although I have trained like thrice as a late substitute.