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coogar:
i don't think you understand false-9.
and you don't understand how to read stats & draw inference from them. 4-2-3-1 is 4-5-1. nothing changes - the arrowhead is the arrowhead.

There is a false 9 in football.

coogar:
which nonsense tactics board?
you mean rooney's role against Sunderland that season is different from RVP's role in 12/13?

I am not sure I understand what you mean here. We did not play 4-2-3-1 against Sunderland.

coogar:
so if i read you correctly, 4-5-1 means rooney played in a false-9 position? 4-5-1 is different from 4-2-3-1.

I have told you what the tactics board said. That it was false 9. It was same thing Zonal marking said when we played Man City in FA cup and won 3-2. Rooney was holding play for Nani and co to arrive.

coogar:
when whoscored said we played 4-4-2 for most of 11/12, you said they didn't know what they are saying. now you are referring to the same website cos it suits your argument?

you are a fraud!

Yes, because their chart is corroborated with the tactics boards. You don't take them in isolation.

coogar:
rooney didn't play any false 9
he was the main man, rooney played as the arrowhead, giggs played in the hole. so you see, your assertion has been destroyed.
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Is that not a 4-5-1?

In any case ZM said Rooney played the false 9 mostly when the formation was changed. United deployed 4-5-1 and 4-3-3 whenever Rooney had to lead.

I just checked. Whoscored recorded it as 4-5-1.

coogar:
there are other games such as this too in that season - this is just to prove to you that anyone can cop long passes in a game if they are good at playing them. rooney likes hopeless long passes to the wing - whether he plays as a striker or goalie, you can't stop him from doing it.

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With the number of long passes, you can tell where he mostly operated. This is not like we parked the bus all season. That would be the only way a number 9 would be playing long passes, when you park the bus and leave two players high up field. To see one playing long passes all season says alot.

coogar:
you are arguing like an idiöt again....
what has this gotta do with anything? why was mata scoring a header further down the pitch? how did evra score at allianz arena? is that where a left back should be?

You are an Ekwe Sample. Mata abd Evra were seen around defence and midfield. Chicharito was mostly rooted in the final 3rd.

coogar:
it's not meaningless, 4-5-1....is 4-2-3-1.
rooney played in the same position that RVP played throughout that season - the arrowhead. so why was rooney as the arrowhead making long passes....

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That was false 9. Moreover, number 9 can make a few long passes, but not 6 accurate long passes per game in a long run.

Moreover, Rooney was the least passer in that game bar Valencia and DDG. Which confirms he was 9.

coogar:
so if rooney as a striker was making passes to the wings, why is it impossible that he was making the same long passes from a 4-4-2 formation?

you have defeated yourself, boy!

go to bed.....

You have to consider the number of passes he made in matches and the zone he played. Number 9s don't make seasonal 4th highest passers in teams.

coogar:
make una leave me & elampawa....
van gaal has shamed him in terms of our lofty position in the league - so we have to go back in time to settle an old score.

when we slip back to 7th position(moyes bus-stop), we might come back to the present day. 11/12 season was a sweet season. i like that season so tayyyyy, i wasn't sad when aguero delivered the killer punch that took the title off our hands.

You completely misunderstood me on Gaal. Everyone knew I never said e would fail.

coogar:
elampiro, stop being a dumbasś
football is fluid - if everyone is permanently stuck to their starting positions then defenders & midfielders won't be scoring.

your claim that a player had to be in the midfield to make long passes is a ridiculous claim & i have one more wildcard to convince the viewers that you lack a football brain.

against sunderland(last game of the season)
rooney was the lone striker. he played as the only striker on the day. the only substitute fergie made was nani.....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1948572_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

so tell us(according to your theory that strikers don't make long balls), how come rooney was able to make 3 long balls into the opponents area. who did rooney make these successful long passes to? hernandez or aguero?


www.nairaland.com/attachments/1948573_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

* You have defeated yourself again. You said football is fluid, yet Chicharito was around the opposition box all through the match. Is that fluidity. Didn't you see Rooney cleared from the line from open play and always with midfielders while Chicha was rooted.

* You chart above is meaningless to this discussion. Rooney ony pllayed 9 when Chicha, Welbeck and Berba did not start. Then it became 4-51 or 4-3-3.

* Those long passes were to the wings.Even it is expected because Zonal Marking said Rooney was used as a false 9 a few times he was used as 9 when Chicha, Wellbeck and Berba did not start. Rooney was to hold play while wingers ran into space.

coogar:
i have provided at least 10 corner kicks rooney took that season. none of anderson or young took that many.



i am not interested in spamming the thread with opta images. i just counted over 25 corner kicks rooney took - spread over that season. if rooney isn't a regular corner taker, heaven help the ones who did. they musta taken 100 each.



rooney took more than young & anderson.




nah, there were accurate ones in the images i have posted. if you have any gift of sight, you would see all rooney's long passes included corners, indirect freekicks & crosses. why are you focusing on corners alone? are crosses or cross-field passes not part of long balls - isn't that rooney's modus operandi?

The question is, how many accurate long balls did Rooney make from corners? In my experience as a United fan, Rooney doesnt take free kick from the middle of the field. His free kicks were mostly direct shots at goal. These wouldn't be long balls.

If you said he took set plays and still came up with 70%, I think you are making your case worse,

Lastly, in my scattered search, I have seen from whoscored that Young took many corners.

coogar:
it didn't mean he played deep, it only means you lack the gift of comprehension. long ball doesn't necessarily mean a forward pass, it could be backward or a square pass. a striker can receive the ball with his back to goal, spread the ball to the wing & run into the box. if his pass to the wing is more than 25 yards, then it's a long ball.



so now it's become the case of if?
did you not swear with your testiclës that all our cornets were from young & giggs last night? the facts are starting to make you skip like a broken CD.



may have?? ;
nani started against everton - according to you, he's one of our wingers taking corner kicks that season. so how did rooney end up taking 3 while nani was on the pitch?

elampawa, no one would lend you any money on this thread. if you can lie bold-faced in this manner then it's not likely you will return any money you borrow.

Abegi, all Rooney's long balls vs Bolton you showed us were forward passes. 4 forward passes with two even landing in Bolton box.

Rooney took corners against Everton because Nani was the only other player on the pitch who could take corner kicks. It wouldnt make sense running drom flank to flank.

[b]* Coogar cannot see that Rooney was the initiator of Chicha's goal from midfield. Rooney passed diagonally to Nani.

* When Rooney scored our second goal, he was in the midfield when the ball was passed to the right wing. Then he race into the box when the cross ariived, Bolton cleared, finally United put the ball back and Rooney adjusted his position to score.

* Rooney raced behind Hernadez from the number 10 position to score the 3rd goal.

* When Chicha missed a clear chance, only Young, Chicha and Nani were in the opposition half.

* When Rooney scored the 4th goal, he was far when Go=igg's long ball find Nani. Chicha and Young were the closest players. Chcha was in the box already. Rooney arrived to score from outside the box.

* Giggs was further up the pitch, then Rooney raced froward from our half into the left wing, Rooney raced into final 3rd and gave a yhrough pass to Chicha who missed badly.

* Anderson took a corner kick and a free kick. Yet Rooney was our set piece taker. [/b]

coogar:
maybe your ghost wrote this....
elampawa the liar - oshiomole should put your name up for guinness book of record.

O boy go and read it again. You have again failed to paid attention to details.

coogar:
your lies are so advanced - you are now lying that you lied. were you not the one that posted this last night or your neighbour lent your laptop?

Rooney wasn't taking corner kicks. That meant he was not our regular corner kick taker. That was why I ask you to produce the stats to show that Anderson, Young and Giggs took our corner kicks.

coogar:
in about 4 different games i have checked, rooney took about 10 corner kicks already. who then was our corner kick taker if it wasn't rooney?

He wasn't. Anderson took, Giggs took, Nani took and Young took. Rooney probably took over towards the end of the season when others were not delivery.

coogar:
corner kicks are part of long balls. opta defined long ball as any pass over 25 yards. i repeat, 25 yards. the distance from the corner flag to the penalty spot is about 35 yards. all those corner kicks count as long passes or long balls.

the reason rooney had 70% accuracy is because he had many passes over the 25-yard barrier. these passes aren't necessarily forward passes. they could be square, forward or backward.

rooney likes doing the cross field pass to the flanks while he quickly darts into the box to meet a cross - all those scholesesque passes he does are long balls - it's got nothing to do with him being number 9 or number 19.

this is logic.....stop lying!

You are yet to show any Rooney's accurate corner that is 25 yards.

All you showed were inaccurate 25+ yards corners. This tells me Rooney did not take many corners, else his stats would be screwed.

coogar:
in about 4 different games i have checked, rooney took about 10 corner kicks already. who then was our corner kick taker if it wasn't rooney?



corner kicks are part of long balls. opta defined long ball as any pass over 25 yards. i repeat, 25 yards. the distance from the corner flag to the penalty spot is about 35 yards. all those corner kicks count as long passes or long balls.

the reason rooney had 70% accuracy is because he had many passes over the 25-yard barrier. these passes aren't necessarily forward passes. they could be square, forward or backward.

rooney likes doing the cross field pass to the flanks while he quickly darts into the box to meet a cross - all those scholesesque passes he does are long balls - it's got nothing to do with him being number 9 or number 19.

this is logic.....stop lying!

You like to make up stories from the blues. In any case, it means Rooney played deep. Having 5.4 of such balls per match tells it all where Rooney played.

Also, if he took corner kicks for us as you said, his long balls stats should have been screwed by the high number of corner kicks.

You may just have find some matches where other corner kicks takers were injured in a certain period.

coogar:
yet another evidence that elampiro lies for a living....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1948362_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

wayne rooney against everton - 3 poorly taken cornerkicks & elampawa told the public rooney never took cornerkicks in 11/12 season.

You will have to produce evidence that I said Rooney never took a corner kick. You dont pay attention to details.

You said Rooney was our corner kick taker, that was the dispute.

And you lied to us these were long balls. If these were long balls, how did Rooney made over 70% accurate long balls all season?


Ukwu!!!

coogar:
even after showing you cesc fabregas' match stats against united showing that his corners were counted as passes, you are still displaying your stüpidity that they aren't?

You are a real tortoise. Why don't you show us all Rooney passes with corners. What has Fabregas and disjointed arguments get to do with this?

coogar:
you are a pathological liar...
your initial claim was that rooney never took a
single corner that season - all the games i looked in the second half of that season had rooney taking corner kicks.

Produce where I said he never took a corner at all. I said he wasnt our corner taker.

coogar:
this is stupïdity at its best.....
after telling us a striker cannot receive passes in the middle of the pitch or play passes in his own half, you are now dancing Azonto with the facts.

•fact 1 - RVP received & gave plenty of passes in his own half.

•fact 2 - RVP played long balls as a lone striker in 12/13. i guess he must have played in the hole according to your logic.

Another lie. Where did I say a number 9 cannot receive passes in the middle of the pitch? RVP was our worst passer, even an illiterate wopuld know he couldnt have been a number ten.

coogar:
the video you posted further exposed you. rooney was a number-10 & yet he was the furthest player on the pitch to score the 2nd goal in the 6-yard box?

elampawa, if they take lies away on this planet, you would be the first person to die. you eat lies, breathe lies, drink & eat lies. I bet you fück lies too.

You dont have eyes to see that Rooney gave a pass to Nani from midfield then race into the box before Nani pass got there. That was virtually how he made his goals that season.

The video shows that Rooney played with the midfieders while Chicha was always in the striking zone and Nani just behind.


* The difference between Chicha and Rooney was clear. Rooney was far behind Chihca in 2011/12. But RVP and Rooney played almost on same line against Southampton. Also RVP and Falcao played almost on same line.












Try to tell one single truth before December 31 2014. Pls.

SailorXY:
what is Herrera currently, that was the question.

Sterling? are you suggesting LvG buys Sterling as the missing piece of the jigsaw?

If you considered a playmaker as one who dictate the direction of a team's play and influences virtually all matches in his team favour, Herrera is not there yet. You saw the other day when he played against Liecester and Southampton, the games were somewhat beyond him.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFxmUQ2pBys

This exposes all Coogars lies. Chicha and Nani operated in striking positions high up the pitch while Rooney was deep with the midfielders. Rooney was a clear number 10. A number 9 cannot be a team season 4th best passer and consistently among top passers in matches.

coogar:
van persie also played in the hole a week ago against southampton(according to elampiro) cos most of the passes he received & distributed were in the middle of the pitch & he attempted more long balls than a striker should.


elampawa, lying to the public since 1854.

* You are a village football analyst. RVP was our worst passer on the night. He only passed higher than DDG and Mc Nair who was subbed out at 38th minute. Whereas Rooney was our 3rd best passer against Bolton. A number 9 wouldnt be 3rd best passer in matches and 4th best in a season for a team.

RVP has 0.5 long balls per game this season. He has only had 7 accurate long balls in 16 matches. Rooney made 5.4 long balls per match in the whole of that season.

These charts were even one off. If you xray Rooney the whole season, he would come up with a number 10 pass chart.

RVP is our 21st best passer this season. How can that be used to compared Rooney who was our 4th best passer in 2011/2012?

coogar:
how is this a pass chart of a number-10? elampiro - what do you do with lies? do you groom them for a living? english language is your biggest challenge - that is why you think long ball has to be 75 yards or they have to be forward passes, a long ball can be a square pass or even backward.....

you said rooney never took cornerkicks in 11/12 season & it was only the wingers & anderson taking them. it's about time to expose you & your lies(again)



according to elampawa, based on this number of passes & the number of successful long balls van persie copped in this game, he must have played in the hole.

stüpidity personified!

* You lied that corner kicks are recorded as passes. Corner kicks you posted aren't even long balls.

* Even at that. these corners are just minute compared to the corners taken by Young, Giggs and Anderson.

* The chart of RVP is nothing close to that of Rooney.

*
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uFxmUQ2pBys

Watch the video above: (1) Rooney was very deep far from Hernadez and Nani who played the highest. (2) You will see Carrick on the pitch before Man United second goal in the 20th minute.


Coogar, why not try and tell at least one truth before the year ends. You havent told any this year, the angels are waiting to see if you can still be redeemable from' the hands of lies'.

SailorXY:
so where do you categorize Herrera?
& what 'playmaker' do you suggest to complete the jigsaw?

He might develop into a good playmaker.

One other player who appears to be able to influence game so much is Sterling.

coogar:
www.nairaland.com/attachments/1947147_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

This is a pass chart of a number 10. Cleverley's injury only created a gap of 3-4 minutes. So that can't be an excuse. As I said before, we were passing to the wings the more.

And I can see 3 successful long passes out of 4 in this chart. None from corner kick. Coogar is exposed again.

OMG! Look at that successful long pass of about 75 yards.



















Yori yori . This is a resounding victory. Let me take some chips and malt drink.

Shirley07:
@elampiro and Coogar, what are you busy arguing about?
Whether Carrick came on the pitch at so so time or not OR Rooney chipped in longballs or not, it doesn't change the fact that neither are playmakers.
No doubt Van Gaal is relying on Carrick to be the playmaker but the truth is Carrick is a holding midfielder masquarading as a deeplying playmakers, same as Blind.
And for the record, Long passes are majorly for switching play to the wings, which is just a section of playmaking.
Orchestrating is not all about pinging long ball. If it was, Charlie Adam would be the best playmaker the world has ever known.
That said, what Manutd need to complete the jigsaw is a playmaker, not steel. A playmaker is what the team has ever need since Scholes retired. I still remember the 2010 CL final where our midfield of Carrick and Giggs was getting overrun by Barca's midfield but I noticed the moment Scholes came on for the last few minutes, everything changed although all hope was lost then as were already 3-1 down. Can't believe I cried that day.
Anyway, Scholes' little cameo made me realise the team need a playmaker. Herrera isn't one neither Blind nor Carrick.

That argument has nothing to do with playmaking.

Coogar,

I think one of your major ptoblems is that you don't pay attention to details. I can't keep repeating myself.

The only one more thing I would say is that Cleverley only touched the ball once in 5 minutes he spent on the field. So we could say that was Carrick. At the end, Rooney competed more passes than Carrick+Cleverley. The time between Cleverley's injury and Carrick's introduction was 4 minutes the highest.

If you want to change the argument, na you know. I never said Rooney had more passes than Carrick in the season. I used different matches and season passes per minute to prove that Rooney had far more passes than other forwards, and even defenders



For instance:
18 March 2012, Wolves 0 Man United 5
Rooney 76 passes, Chicharito 18 passes. Both played for 90 minutes.
Only Scholes made more passes than Rooney. Welbeck played from the left wing and made only 45 passes. Yet we would be made to believe both Rooney and Chicha played as two strikers like RVP and Falcao.


And Rooney was said to be 9? Ukwu!!!

coogar:
elampiro is a born liar.....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1946693_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

that's the fact right there that carrick didn't get on the pitch until the 25th minute in the game against bolton. when cleverley got injured & when carrick came on didn't coincide. united played with 10 men for a short period before carrick got on the pitch.

* You are a real funny person. You should only call someone a liar if the person came up with a story from the blues. But here I am giving you evidence after evidence. 5 different report saying the same thing.

* I have given you several commentaries to back up. Here is another from Eurosports:

5' Fergie is already up in arms after Kevin Davies brings down Tom Cleverley with a less than clever challenge.

6' We wondered how sharp Hernandez would be - there's your answer. Typical Hernandez goal, superb movement from the Mexican. 5'GOAL!!! HERNANDEZ!! Classic poacher's position at the near post, where he races in and guides Nani's right-sided cross past Jaaskelainen.
7' Meanwhile, Tom Cleverley has been undergoing treatment following that Davies challenge. Will he be able to continue?
8'Martin Petrov whips a shot just wide from the edge of the box. A lively start at the Reebok Stadium! 7'OFF THE LINE!! The Bolton bombardment commences, United cannot clear convincingly and Rooney blocks an Eagles shot on the line!
9' Tom Cleverley is forced off and Michael Carrick replaces him following that Kevin Davies challenge. You can be sure Fergie will have something to say about that... [/b]. https://uk.eurosport.yahoo.com/football/premier-league/2011-2012/bolton-wanderers-manchester-united-453920.html#yeug-football-matchcast

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* 10' An early - and not surprising - change for Manchester United, with Michael Carrick replacing Tom Cleverley.[/b]
9' Worth mentioning that moments before that Javier Hernandez goal, Tom Cleverley was on the receiving end of a nasty challenge from Kevin Davies. No malice in the challenge from the Bolton skipper, but the Manchester United midfielder was in serious pain and had to leave the field.
8' Substitution Tom Cleverley Michael Carrick http://www.goal.com/en/match/bolton-wanderers-vs-manchester-united/1117070/live-commentary?ICID=MP_MS_3
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* Another link. http://www.soccerpunter.com/soccer-statistics/England/Premier-League-2011-2012/match/1117070_Bolton_Wanderers_FC_vs_Manchester_United_FC
1 5' J. Hernández
(assist by Nani)
8' T. Cleverley --- out
8' M. Carrick----- in
K. Davies 13'------------ Yellow
0 - 2 20' W. Rooney
(assist by P. Jones)
M. Davies 20'-------------Yellow
0 - 3 25' W. Rooney
0 - 4 58' J. Hernández
61' A. Young out
61' R. Giggs in
C. Eagles 61'
D. Pratley 61'
62' J. Evans out
62' C. Smalling in
K. Davies 66'
D. N'Gog 66'
0 - 5 68' W. Rooney
(assist by Nani)
I. Klasnić 75'
T. Şanlı 75'

See more at: http://www.soccerpunter.com/soccer-statistics/England/Premier-League-2011-2012/match/1117070_Bolton_Wanderers_FC_vs_Manchester_United_FC


You could only have called me a liar if I manufactured this substitution time.

Leyqute:

If utd continues winning streak till the end of January, we'd prolly be topping the table.

Moyes z an a22hole. he killed the team spirit and confidence

What a tall dream!

Wayne Rooney says a Premier League title bid is very much on the agenda at Old Trafford.

They are still eight points behind leaders Chelsea but, with a lot of points up for grabs in the coming weeks, Rooney thinks United could quickly erode that deficit.

"I think we have to believe we can win the title, we are eight points behind and coming into a busy period. If we can win our games and the others have one bad result, then there is nothing there.

"We have to keep winning our games, hopefully get back to the top, and you never know.

"We won the league two years ago and we weren't great in a lot of those games but we got the results.

"We have shown a great resilience this season. Some of the games haven't gone the way we would like but we are winning them and that is a great quality to have.

"We have been here before but we have a lot of new players and this is where the experience of myself, Michael Carrick and Darren Fletcher can rub off on the other players."

[Source: Skysports]

^^^ continuation.

* whoscored has it that Cleverley/Carrick substitution too place on 7th minutes. Cleverley had only one touch in the game.

* Man United official report: When Chicha scored on 5th minute.
United had actually taken the lead without a full compliment of players. At the time of the goal, Cleverley was receiving treatment for an ankle injury after a poor challenge from Davies. Bolton had their best opening of the half while Cleverley was en route to the dressing room, but Rooney was on hand to hack Chris Eagles’ volley off the line after a goalmouth scramble. Michael Carrick was duly introduced to restore equality in personnel. http://www.manutd.com/en/Fixtures-And-Results/Match-Reports/2011/Sep/bolton-v-united-report.aspx

* goal.com: 8' Substitution Tom Cleverley Michael Carrick
8' SO CLOSE! Bolton go straight down the other end following Javier Hernandez’s goal and twice have efforts cleared off the line. Wayne Rooney is the hero for Manchester United, clearing from Chris Eagles after Jonny Evans blocked Ivan Klasnic’s effort.
6' GOAL!! That didn’t take long! Javier Hernandez makes an instant impact on his return to the starting line-up, getting on the end of Nani’s right-wing cross to guide the ball past Jussi Jaaskelainen at his near post. Superb start for the Mexican.
http://www.goal.com/en/match/bolton-wanderers-vs-manchester-united/1117070/live-commentary?ICID=MP_MS_3


I was too tired to clear this last night.



Yet Coogar called me a liar. What he does whenever he has been defeated comprehensively. Also another thing I want to emphasize now, he told lies about Rooney taking corner kicks to get his long balls/pass stats. Anderson, Young and Giggs were our corner kicks takers. These is captured on match by match basis. I have seen where to verify this on match by match basis about players who took all the corner kicks. So, no more controversies on that.








Lest I forget, if you add Cleverley+Carrick passes, Rooney had more passes. With his hatrick, someone would think he was our top 9..

coogar:
elampawa the king of lies.....



stop lying, this was your original post....



where in that post did you mention anything relating to 7 minutes?

even your 7 minutes is another lie you fabricated from the arsë of a baboon. carrick came on after the 25th minute. it means rooney had a whooping 25 minutes headstart before carrick even kicked the ball.

elampawa, come & defend this lie.

You like insults too much. You don't pay attention to details. Go to pages 1239 and 1285( yesterday) the post below is being published a 3rd time.

Also, reports states Cleverley was substituted at 7th minute due to a bad injury. Cleverley had only one touch in the game.

Talsima:
Rooney was always one of our highest passers in matches of 2011/2012 except when played as a lone striker without Welbeck, Chicha and Berba on the pitch.

In some occasions only a central midfielder having more passes, or one CM and one defender. Mostly among the top passers when started with Chicha or Welbeck. When Rooney scored a hatrick vs Bolton sept 12 2011, only Anderson and Rio had more passes than Rooney. He made more passes than Carrick who came on in 7th minute. When we beat Arsenal 8-2, Rooney was among the very top passers. I have checked many. How can a top 9 be among the top passers for a team in matches. Rooney must be an alien.

Let me log out jor. I know say dem go post at 3am.

Coolie-guy hands up now:

Man Utd 3 - 1 Chelsea
18 September 2011
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/14869914

Three corners recorded for Ashley Young. United had 4 corners. The fourth was nt mentioned. Young for United and Mata for Chelsea in terms of taking corners.
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http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/14773055

Another one. Three corners taken by Anderson, one from Young.
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United 8 Arsenal 2
http://www.bbc.com/sport/0/football/14606020

Man United had three corners in the match. Anderson took two while Young took one.

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YetCoolieguy said 'cos RVP had not arrived, Rooney took all the corners. Ukwu! When you watch clips and read reports, you would see Young, Anderson and Giggs taking our corners. Free kicks from distance were also taken by them. Rooney only took direct free kicks from within 25 yards. So, we can conclude Rooney's 5.4 long balls per match were from midfield to wingers.......

coogar:
elampawa the king of lies.....



stop lying, this was your original post....



where in that post did you mention anything relating to 7 minutes?

even your 7 minutes is another lie you fabricated from the arsë of a baboon. carrick came on after the 25th minute. it means rooney had a whooping 25 minutes headstart before carrick even kicked the ball.

elampawa, come & defend this lie.

Coolie-guy
, this is my defence. I did not manufacture it. www.whoscored.com/Matches/505554/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012-Bolton-Manchester-United

coogar:
you are a pathological liar....
carrick came on after the 25th minute. the difference isn't 7 minutes.

http://www.whoscored.com/Matches/505554/LiveStatistics/England-Premier-League-2011-2012-Bolton-Manchester-United

Whoscored tells me the changes was made at 7th minute.

Rooney was our 4th top passer among the active players of 2011/2012. Behind Scholes, Carrick and Giggs on per minute.

Lastly, I just saw some hit maps and clips. Coolie-guy tortoise, you lied that Rooney was our corner kick taker. Lies. Rooney scored from Giggs corner from the right side and Young's corner from the left flag.

Rooney was mostly passing to the wingers and running into the box to wait for a cross. Rooney scored more than half of his goals from crosses.

coogar:
you cant prove opta wrong with your lies - didn't you say rooney outpassed carrick in a match carrick didn't even start? why should we take you serious? opta, whoscored, transfermarkt had us playing 4-4-2 in 11/12 and you keep telling us about number-9, what is number-9? this is the modern game - enough of your number-9 nonsense!

You dont pay attention to details. I said came in 7 mins from kick off. It's in my original post.

Whosccored is not a tactics board. Zonal Marking and the one I stated above are tactics board. They said 4-4-1-1. Red rants clearly stated 4-4-2 2009/10 and 4-4-1-1 in 2011/12. Which is exactly what I have said ever since.

coogar:
rooney has played in the striking role a lot of times this season & many of those shots of his are from his set-plays & that also includes di maria. shots per game isn't the only stat that has destroyed you, key-passes per game is another stat you cannot run away with.
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Rooney and Di Maria have more shots than RVP. That kills your points.

I have given you superior stats and arguments. I have given you several matches Rooney was our three top passers. Sometimes passing three or foru times than hernadez or Welbeck.

coogar:
you tried lying to us that robben played in a withdrawn role for holland during the world cup.....so where was sneijder then? you mean van gaal played 2 players in the hole and van persie was the lone striker?
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Robben played a withdrawn role. That's is not disputable. I never said Robben played in the hole. I only gave you a contrast to your RVP/Falcao pairing.

coogar:
Jesus must be disappointed with your lies...
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You don't call Jesus' name in vain.

coogar:
of course, when your big lies are exposed, you quickly excuse yourself to nurse your wounds in private. carrick was a substitute in that game against bolton. only a fraud like yourself would make such a dud comparison of a game where rooney completed a full match to carrick's substitute appearance.

I have told you that Carrick played from 7 minutes since many weeks back. You arent telling me anything new. 7 minutes was just the difference.

coogar:
if rooney was in the hole throughout the season like you claim, mention another game where both rooney & carrick completed 90 mins but rooney had more passes. failure to find one in 11/12 season definitely means you are a fraudulent statistician.



rooney played 30 something league games that season & he was the chief set piece taker especially corners & indirect freekicks. bring out rooney's setplay & open play passes and let's see if your claims won't be destroyed right this minute.

I have proven beyond doubt Rooney was one of our top passers while Welbeck, Bebra and Chicha were among our least passers. So how did Rooney play top 9?

Rooney was number 10.

Giggs, Young, Nani and Cleverley were taking our set plays.