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tess1:
So a playmaker is not supposed to be creating chances.

coogar:
look at this mumu!
were you not the one arguing that corners don't count as passes? i provided you an example of where corners counted as passes and you are befuddled?

in a 4-4-2, there's no number-9
football has evolved beyond your village lens. 4-4-2 means 2 out & out strikers. you keep dodging the question, which of falcao or RVP was the number 9 at leicester?



opta is wrong & elampiro is right?
who was the number 9 when yorke/cole were strikers? who was the number-9 between sutton & shearer? who was the number-9 between falcao & RVP at leicester?

your lies have defeated you!



it's the same thing!
in 2011/12, one of anderson or cleverley stepped up to act as the link between the central midfield & the strikers.

how can rooney be in the hole and record a whooping 4.6 shots per game? are you an illiterate? which player in the hole records that many shots per game & provides a miserable 1.5 key-pass per game? how come 11/12 season had rooney recording the lowest key pass per game in his career at old trafford?

elampawa, this isn't facebook!

Dadehmola:
Elampiro.. Please help me with roman riquleme's stat in 2004/2005 season.

tess1:
So, in your own word, Zidane, Xavi and Sholes are not creative.

Of course Cleverly is not a playmaker because he is not creative.

tess1:
That's the creativity we are talking about. They create something special out of their passes. Every playmaker must have the quality to create chances, assist or assist before assist. That's what makes them special and different and that's the creativity. Being able to fashion out a through pass.

tess1:
Cleverly makes a lot of passes. He is always one of the players with highest percentage of passes completion. What then made so many fans dislike his play was his not being creative with his passes. That was the person we were told would've taken over from Scholes.

Shirley07:
Does the responsibility of creating chances lies on Xavi, Alonso or Kroos?

coogar:
the ease at which lies roll off your lips is exemplary. you should be a village politician. in brazil, sneijder was in the hole - robben & RVP were the strikers. at leicester, rooney was in the hole, RVP & falcao were the strikers.

stop running from the question i asked you - which of RVP or falcao was the number 9 at leicester?




so opta that is paid to collate stats are doing nonsense but a prolific liar like you should be taken seriously? after lying to us rooney posted more passes than carrick against bolton - a game carrick didn't even start, you still had the audacity to post another comment ridden with lies?

don't you have any shame?



corner kicks are part of long passes or passes in general. i have been using opta stats for years so keep quiet when i am talking. you cannot argue with your master while pretending to all & sundry that you want to learn.

choose one - are you here to learn or argue with rooney's position in 11/12?



what has this gotta do with the fact that corners(short or long), freekicks(very short ones that are taken quickly) are part of the number of passes recorded?

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the above is cesc's passing stats at old trafford and included in it were his corner kicks(his assist for drogba), a key pass from his corner & other failed ones.

coogar:
key pass doesn't tell anything? so what's rooney's function in the hole? scratching his balls?



what's the meaning of number-9?
we played 4-4-2 against bolton - who was number 9 when falcao & RVP were the strikers in the early part of the season?

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show us how rooney was in the hole in this formation?




if it's completed, it's a pass!

coogar:
i was talking about the world class skill to get it to rooney & the selfless attitude & self control to give it to RVP.

if mata pass to rooney is seen every week, how come rooney cannot deliver a simpler pass into the box when van persie was waiting at the far post? falcao delivered it on a plate for RVP at leicester in a similar position.

coogar:
mata wasn't in motion when he put rooney through? are you blind? was the first pass not from a counter attack that mata started & rooney messed the cross up? if you can close your eyes to make the mata pass to rooney then rooney is a disgrace for failing to find van persie in the box.

coogar:
your argument is like that of a villager - so because rooney posted high number of passes in 11/12 means he operated in the hole?

how do you explain this, then?

2.4 key pass per game, 13 assists - valencia
2.3 key pass per game, 10 assists - nani
1.8 key pass per game , 8 assists - giggs
1.7 key pass per game , 7 assists - young

1.5 key pass per game , 4 assists - rooney

1.1 key pass per game , 4 assists - welbeck

so all our wingers with their limited number of appearances managed to post more key passes/game than rooney in 11/12 & you still continue to lie rooney played in the hole?

Key pass doesn't tell anything. Our wingers were involved in set plays as well as receiving diagonal passes from Rooney. Long passes from Scholes and Rooney too.

* How do you explain this? Rooney had more passes than Carrick against Bolton, had a last man clearance and scored a hatrick. Yet he was the number 9. . A number 9 equaled Carrick in number of passes.

* I am also waiting for you to prove Rooney's 5 long balls per match were from corner kicks.

* I will also like you to prove that corner kicks are long passes. We learn every day.

coogar:
so why did a football pundit say this?






so rooney's 5 yard pass to di maria was more difficult than mata's pass to rooney leading to RVP's goal last night?

Talsima:
18 March 2012, Wolves 0 Man United 5
Rooney 76 passes, Chicharito 18 passes. Both played for 90 minutes.
Only Scholes made more passes than Rooney. Welbeck played from the left wing and made only 45 passes. Yet we would be made to believe both Rooney and Chicha played as two strikers like RVP and Falcao.

26 March 2012, Man United 1 Fulham 0.
Rooney 47 passes, Welbeck 18. Welbeck subbed at 62 mins, Rooney 78 mins.

14 January 2012 Man United 3 Bolton 0
Rooney, 60 passes, Welbeck 25. Welbeck subbed 77 mins. Only Carrick had more passes than Rooney.


I just want to stop here. The records are there forever.

Talsima:
Rooney was always one of our highest passers in matches of 2011/2012 except when played as a lone striker without Welbeck, Chicha and Berba on the pitch.

In some occasions only a central midfielder having more passes, or one CM and one defender. Mostly among the top passers when started with Chicha or Welbeck. When Rooney scored a hatrick vs Bolton sept 12 2011, only Anderson and Rio had more passes than Rooney. He made more passes than Carrick who came on in 7th minute. When we beat Arsenal 8-2, Rooney was among the very top passers. I have checked many. How can a top 9 be among the top passers for a team in matches. Rooney must be an alien.

Let me log out jor. I know say dem go post at 3am.

Talsima:
In 2011/2012 season, Rooney had the highest number of long passes in the team apart from the DDG. The next was Carrick. Rooney had 238 long balls while Carrick had 218. Berba had only 4, Chicha 15 and Welbeck 17. Yet we are being misled Rooney led the line.

Rooney, Carrick and Anderson needed about 15 minutes to make an accurate long pass. The best in the team behind Scholes. Berbatov needed 170 minutes while Welbeck 145, Chicha 145. Yet we are being told Rooney was on top.

Short passes. Among the wingers and forwards, Rooney again made far more short passes per minute. Also more accurate short passes per minute. Only Valencia is the forward player (excluding CMs and defenders) who was better than Rooney. This can be understood because Valencia played in defence. Yet, we were made to believe Rooney played as the top man.

Crosses. Stats show that the wingers were the ones involved in crosses. This shows me they were the ones taking set plays, thereby helping them to a high assists, together with Rooney's diagonal passes to them.

coogar:
go home & learn what it takes to be a DLP.



something that many pundits pointed out after i made mention of it here.....rooney made a bad pass to di maria.

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this is one of the easiest pass to make - di maria was right in front of rooney - and fat rooney almost messed the pass up.



frequent blocked shots means predictability.
everyone knows what rooney will do once he gets the ball in opponents' area. he has no variation to his play to dummy his markers & evade last-ditch blocks.....he just shoots like a zombie & ruins the chance.

coogar:
to be a playmaker, you get the most passes cos other team mates look up to you to do something with the ball. carrick collects it from the centre-halves & distribute with accuracy to the players that will cause havoc.

coogar:
how did the ball get to the wingers - were they the ones taking them from de gea or carrick? how did the entire play also bypass rooney - he had the lowest chance creation stats in a list that included young, valencia & nani.

coogar:
rooney played many games that season - having many passes was expected if you play 34 league games - that doesn't disprove the fact that he was not in the hole. united played 4-4-2 that season.

coogar:
accurate long balls include set plays too. van persie wasn't in united that season & rooney took many set plays that year. you still don't know how to read stats.

coogar:
you weren't differentiating anything...,



why are you lying now?
everyone knew rooney underhit the pass & that was exactly the reason di maria had to chip the ball.....



he has the most blocked shots of any striker in the world. rooney can't think straight - he doesn't dummy his markers.....he hits the ball straight at the direction he's facing. too predictable!

coogar:
if you knew carrick was a playmaker, you wouldn't have made the other idiötic statement about what carrick was doing on the list as if i was the one that created the list. fact remains carrick was the deep-lying playmaker making the "assist of the assists" to the wingers who were supplying our strikers.

coogar:
this is another big discovery that rooney wasn't in the hole in 11/12 like you have lied to us for years. the route to attack that year was carrick to the wingers --> wingers to the strikers. a deep-lying playmaker can go direct to the strikers or make assist of assists. another football education for you.

coogar:
if you are too old to cope with the discourse, why not just retire & stay at home?

coogar:
the pass to di maria was a bad pass - di maria had to improvise & nothing was in front of rooney to make that pass......
it wasn't ordinary because he had the self control to be selfless & play the ball to a better-placed team mate. if that was rooney, he would have taken a shot that would have been blocked cos rooney is the most predictable player in the world!

coogar:
it was nothing special but rooney failed to complete the easier pass to van persie? rooney saw van persie at the far post & yet he still played a rubbish pass that was easily cut off when he should be bending the pass out of reach of the covering defenders.....

coogar:
you are a dullard
is carrick a playmaker or not? that's the crux of the matter. this is probably your first time of hearing the term deep-lying playmaker - you should be paying me for the education you get from me.

if you knew carrick was a playmaker, you wouldn't have made the other idiötic statement about what carrick was doing on the list as if i was the one that created the list. fact remains carrick was the deep-lying playmaker making the "assist of the assists" to the wingers who were supplying our strikers.

this is another big discovery that rooney wasn't in the hole in 11/12 like you have lied to us for years. the route to attack that year was carrick to the wingers to the strikers. a deep-lying playmaker can go direct to the strikers or make assist of assists. another football education for you.

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elampawa, who is your daddy in this game?

Shirley07:
From free kicks and cornerkicks?
The likes of Ibra, Messi, even Rooney makes that pass often. That doesn't make them playmakers.
Mata's a fraud and it's not a coincidence that as soon he left, Chelsea became much better against City, Liverpool and all those teams with pressing midfield they often find difficult to face.
Mata is a luxury player. The team have to uplift him instead of him uplifting the team.

There is nothing special in that pass, except for those who probably didnt kick a ball. I will make that pass without thinking I have done something special.

Even, RVP raised his hands calling for the pass. Even a blind player would have seen RVP.

coogar:
carrick is a deep-lying playmaker - you are a big olodo. you don't even know carrick dictate play from the deep. all those long balls like the one hernandez scored against chelsea is a final pass. his examples are pirlo, modric & xabi fücking alonso.

Shirley07:
Nope. Playmake is make a play i.e, conduct play, my engrish teacher.

coogar:


english language will forever be your biggest challenge. playmaking is creativity.

you make something - you create something. the word explains itself thoroughly. the only significant stat about playmaker is the frequency at which they create chances.

every other stat is just beating about the bush. passing, dribbling, ball control are all a means to an end(goal scoring). from the definition of created chance - the pass that leads to a shot taken, it's clear as daylight who the king was in 2011/12.




playmaking is creativity.
xavi & iniesta are both creators. however, iniesta sometimes played as an auxiliary forward for barca & his stats somehow gets spruced & confuse jew men like you & shirley. if a playmaker isn't about creativity, what is he about then? defensive?

the exact reason scholes gets hailed by his peers in europe is because he's a playmaker - the king of the final pass that leads to a shot taken. xavi said that much when he was paying tributes to scholes - and what are such passes called?

coogar:
rubbish!
playmaker is about creativity - chance creation. passing, running, dribbling, crossing, ball control are all means to an end(goal scoring). the player that makes the final pass more often is the playmaker.....he's the one blessed with the vision to make the pass that would lead to a shot taken.

mata was miles better than his peers in that regard in 11/12 & this is why his passes created more shots than any other. if silva's high passing accuracy in the final third is returning less created chances than mata then logic dictates silva made more safe passes than mata.

coogar:
the key to the best playmaker is the one that creates a chance the fastest. mata was creating a chance every 25 mins. he towers above others in that simple statistics. his 74% pass accuracy in the opposition half still created one chance in every 25 mins.

silva was creating his chance every 27 mins. there's a reason mata was the player of the season for chelsea, not lampard. lampard is the microcosm of what mata is with the ball. mata is the playmaker king since his arrival from valencia.

coogar:
only few people know how to read statistics here & you are not one of them. can you not see mata creates a chance every 25 mins to silva's 27?

where exactly did silva do better than mata in that stats provided in 11/12?

coogar:
shirley07, mata was chelsea's best playmaker since they had zola. no debating! mourinho just didn't like him cos he wanted him to be more defensive. mourinho wouldn't have liked any of xavi & iniesta too cos they don't suit his "jam body" football.

in terms of vision, key passes, final passes, guile, close control, deft touches, etc mata is a king. i could care less about his defensive side. anyone expecting mata to be as defensive as toure or matic is a lunatic. he's not built like a tank.


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