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The 2012/2013 table above is half season.
2014/2015 is updated to December 3.
2010/11 is full season. Updated May 22nd

Moyes had always done well in terms of injury. Martinez is doing poorly.

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Na wao! I only said Moyes 18 injuries in 14 games on the average at Everton was decent. This has been twisted and twisted and re-twisted. I also said Everton was the most athletic team playing a very high tempo football. I said this since 2013 summer and I have often repeated it. Look at the pace of Distin at 36. He can play 38 EPL matches.

At this time last season, Moyes had played 14 EPL matches and 5 UCL matches. If we said he had more injuries while he executed these 19 matches, it further justifies any criticism of Gaal at this time (in the season).

coogar:
liar!
"david moyes has always had a fit squad at everton."

you must think this is facebook where you can lie to get likes.

Oga good night.

RIP.

coogar:
this is a ridiculous comparison.
LVG wouldn't have had 41 injuries last season if he had inherited the defending champions. moyes took over a very good side that stood neck & neck with the almighty madrid & lost narrowly to nani's red card. your analogy should be where would moyes have finished if he had to deal with 41 different injuries in his first 3 months of last season?



oh please....
no 2 league seasons are the same. if someone else had taken over liverpool after their impressive showing last season, you would be arguing that new manager is wack. the same manager that took them 2nd last season is misfiring now.

look at wenger too - from winning 2 titles in 3 seasons to giving arsënal their worst start in 50 years this season. if someone else had taken over from him last season, he would have been the scapegoat. if the same manager can produce 2 polarising performances, why then did you prematurely blame LVG from the woes he inherited from moyes?



what has this gotta do with anything?



if moyes had this injury woe last season, we woulda relegated. if moyes had inherited a team that finished 7th, with no european competition, we woulda relegated. moyes inherited the league champions. you keep forgetting the psychological bit. how did league champions crash all the way to 7th position? how??

coogar:
i mentioned 41 in a different paragraph &
i mentioned the first 3 months in another paragraph entirely. they are 2 different statistics - only a fool would loop them together.
that was what you said.
after a while, you said you pro-rata it. that's the lamest excuse of a dullard. why pro-rata it? why not just count from may(appointed date) to december(present date)?
you lied to us moyes always had a fit squad at everton. you must have been watching everton from your half-filled calabash when moyes was still there. the stats have exposed your lies.
give up!
like i told you earlier, people with sübzero IQ like yourself cannot understand my comments so i ain't surprised it got you confused.
in another 5 years, you will understand it.

You are exposed again. Except may be you don't know the meaning of paragraph. Good bye.

Louis Van Gaal Manchester United Rule Slammed by Michael Owen, Raymond Verheijen
By Rob Blanchette , Featured Columnist Dec 3, 2014

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has been criticised by a Dutch fitness coach and a former Red Devils player—with Raymond Verheijen and Michael Owen both making their feelings known about the team's injury list.

Owen has been specifically critical of Van Gaal's conditioning of his squad, saying it has been a "really poor season" for LvG and directing the blame fully at the manager's door.

His comments came during an appearance on BT Sport as the panel discussed Van Gaal's season so far, with Owen adding United have "no say [in the title race]."

Colin Harvey of the Daily Star reported on Verheijen's comments to the BBC—where the fitness coach proclaimed Van Gaal's methods were the sole reason for his squad's pandemic injury crisis

I think this was predictable. It's not a coincidence. I think the strength of Louis van Gaal has also been shown to be his weakness.[b] I think this was avoidable. [/b]As an assistant I've seen with my own eyes that he has the ability, because he is a great tactical teacher, to improve a team and players within one session.

He is extremely intelligent, extremely knowledgeable, but also very intense. That's what you have heard Manchester United's players saying all the time this season. This intense style of training and coaching is his strength, but also his weakness in terms of injuries.

[...] You saw this pattern for the first time when he was coaching at Ajax. It happened at Barcelona, it happened at Bayern Munich and now it's happening at Manchester United. It's the same pattern.

Some may find both Owen's and Verheijen's comments strange considering United are up to fourth and playing their best football for well over a year.

Owen's comments are especially baffling. He cites Arsenal as a team who in the past "never suffered injuries," but the Gunners are themselves in the middle of a huge injury crisis now—under the same Arsene Wenger regime that Owen once played against.

Verheijen's statement is more insightful, joining the dots between the clubs LvG has coached.

United have now suffered a staggering 41 injuries since Van Gaal took over, per 101 Great Goals, with the players bursting to get out of the treatment centre at Carrington.

But despite the injuries, Van Gaal has managed to find a way to get the team in tactical shape, if not yet a physical one.

United beat Stoke on Tuesday night to record their fourth straight win in the Premier League, allowing them to sit in the Champions League positions going into the festive period.

United fans have taken to Van Gaal and his gregarious style, and there is a real feeling of unity behind his methods and philosophy. The manager has been on the charm offensive from day one, highlighted by Bleacher Report's Rob Dawson after United's last match:

After a season of heartbreak for the Red Devils following the exit of Sir Alex Ferguson, United fans are contented with their current state—with a lowering of expectations coming after David Moyes' failed tenure.

Taking United back to the top is very much a long-term project, and it was clear last year that a number of professionals needed to leave the club.



http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2287799-louis-van-gaal-manchester-united-rule-slammed-by-michael-owen-raymond-verheijen

coogar:
olodo 20 kobo!
i said if moyes had the same number of injuries van gaal had [b]in his first 3 months,[b]then we would have relegated.

You mentioned 41. Are you saying all Gaal's injury came in three months? And I put it to you that Gaal didn't have 41 injuries in three months (from August to October or September to November).

coogar:
you lost when i was able to produce moyes' injury sheet from the day he was appointed to the 4th of december 2013.

the difference between you & me is that i have facts to back my assertion while you lie bold-faced to back yours. why did you lie moyes had only 18 injuries in his first 14 league games at united?

If you cannot produce where I said Moyes had 18 injuries in Man United, shame on you.

Your Moyes injury list actually expose you- Mr Contradiction.

Lastly, we are yet to see Moyes injury season by season in comparison with other EPL teams.

StarBoard:
Not sure whether that is the crux of the matter.

Fact is van Gaal still appears to be doing a lot better than Moyes even with the said injuries.
Forget what the Poly boys are telling you.

Not disputing the fact that Gaal is better. I saw Gaal's team in the wold cup. I saw the Ajax of '95 and '96. I know he is technical guru. But my argument is different. My argument is not about who is the better coach. I stated this many weeks ago.

The fist argument some weeks back was about too many injuries in the team. The new issue which called me into this, is when some guys wont allow us hear word every time we won. There was no need telling us about how Moyes would probably have lost to Stoke blablabla. This argument was further prolong when some recent crisis were blamed on Moyes.

coogar:
which gaal's 41 injuries?
are you retardëd? the 41 injuries was calculated from the day he was appointed not since he officially met united players in july. surely, that little clause is too much for your mental comprehension.

Yes. You have contradicted and confused yourself on this number. You said if Moyes had 41 injuries he would be relegated. So how many injuries did Moyes get from the day he was appointed?

coogar:
you can never draw a logical inference from my sentence cos you are not even intelligent to understand them in the first place. for you to make a sensible opinion out of my comments, you need to understand them first & you have never shown that ability since you joined NL.



this is the most idiotic comparison ever.
if SAF didn't win the league, moyes wouldn't have played the community shield. if SAF didn't qualify for europe, moyes wouldn't have played in the champions league.

moyes failed to win us the league - he failed to qualify us for europe(not even europa) and you have the gall to mention the number of competitons he was still playing at this time last season? you are not intelligent at all.



how's that relevant?
you told us moyes always had a fit squad at everton. i busted that myth by producing injury stats of 3 different calendar years - you were caught pants down lying again.



so replacing experienced staff without quacks means he closed down the centre? these mumu genes shouldn't follow you to 2015. you better seek the help of oyakhilome before it's too late.

You are no longer sounding logical except resorting to insults. When one has lost ability to argue logical and attack the points but resort to attacking the person, it's obvious such a person has ran out of points and completely lost it. ;

I only brought it to your notice that Gaal's injury should be less with just one compectition.

coogar:
van gaal had more injuries in his first 3 months than moyes did. if the stats extend to first week of december from the date they were both appointed then moyes had more. read with your common sense, next time.

Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagayo.

Height of confusion. We are talking about Gaal's 41 injuries you quoted in your posts.

coogar:
how many games do everton play in a season? how many games is a must-win for everton under moyes? no wonder the failure couldn't win a single game in the grounds of the traditional top 4 sides for 12 seasons.

while united are expected to go blood & thunder and secure wins in every game, moyes takes it easy & only worries about his home form. how then can you compare match intensity of a failure to the intensity faced by perpetual champions?

you should buy that IQ booster pill ASAP!

This is another contradiction. Indirectly you are telling us that Moyes and Gaal knew they needed they stretch their players more to be able to win more games. Hence the injuries?

You are not helping your case at all. As this time last season, Moyes was in all 3 competition having already won the Shield. Gaal is playing only one competition.

coogar:
another heap of rubbish!
moyes was copping 53 injuries per year @ everton. i posted the stats last night - moyes works his players to exhaustion & injuries. his ex-players at everton said that last season that moyes' training methods are pre-historic

that changed after united refurbished their medical centre. we had a near-perfect bill of health in 2012/13. we became champions, SAF left. moyes came on board, sacked everyone & replaced with his crew of failure from everton & our injury crisis resurfaced!

Can we see Moyes injuries number visavis other EPL teams over several season? Then we can take you serious.

United refurbished medical centre in 2012, okay, you want to tell us Moyes closed it?

coogar:
you are talking nonsense.....
the 41-injury statistics of van gaal dated back to the day he was appointed. as at then, van gaal was with the dutch team & prepping them for brazil. how in the name of zeus can he be held responsible for the injuries when he hadn't even met united players?



your stand makes no sense.
united players ain't everton players. why not compare van gaal's injury stats for the oranje team to moyes' everton?



you are starting to misyarn again?
who sacked the medical team that was managing our injuries to the barest minimum? was it SAF or van gaal?

You told us Gaal had more injuries. You arent steady at all.
United player arent Everton players? That's a merit to Moyes. Meaning United players aren't as fit as the players Moyes brought up.
Foget about that medical team buahaha. Dont delve into what you don'y know. Give us link that Moyes closed the clinic opened by SAF, and he cancelled the contract entered with the sponsors. Was it United backroom staff that kept his Everton players fit?

coogar:
that is irrelevant.....
the clubs they joined do not play with the same intensity as man utd.

all these players have been injured at one point or the other since they left united. stop lying to make points.



similarly, there's no player of ours last season that didn't spend at least one week on the sick bench when moyes was here. it was moyes who sacked the medical team SAF described as the best in the world with a wealth of experience.

if you still cannot see that moyes should be held responsible for the injury curse then buy IQ booster pills cos it means you are not smarter than a nanny-goat!

Here you go again with your contradiction.

any way, Man United players have always been prone to injury. But it is worrying now that they are missing many matches due to injuries.

coogar:
this is a ridiculous comparison.
LVG wouldn't have had 41 injuries last season if he had inherited the defending champions. moyes took over a very good side that stood neck & neck with the almighty madrid & lost narrowly to nani's red card. your analogy should be where would moyes have finished if he had to deal with 41 different injuries in his first 3 months of last season?



oh please....
no 2 league seasons are the same. if someone else had taken over liverpool after their impressive showing last season, you would be arguing that new manager is wack. the same manager that took them 2nd last season is misfiring now.

look at wenger too - from winning 2 titles in 3 seasons to giving arsënal their worst start in 50 years this season. if someone else had taken over from him last season, he would have been the scapegoat. if the same manager can produce 2 polarising performances, why then did you prematurely blame LVG from the woes he inherited from moyes?



what has this gotta do with anything?



if moyes had this injury woe last season, we woulda relegated. if moyes had inherited a team that finished 7th, with no european competition, we woulda relegated. moyes inherited the league champions. you keep forgetting the psychological bit. how did league champions crash all the way to 7th position? how??

coogar:
elampiro's stand on the issue is retardëd...
if we map out moyes' injury list here from the day he was appointed(may 9 2013) to the 4th of december(2013), he had more injuries on his record than van gaal. moyes had close to 50 injuries!
so anything else? yet elampiro was lying through his teeth that moyes only had 18 injuries in his first 14 league games - some people have no dignity - lying is their profession.
numbers don't lie - failure has one colour & that colour is david moyes!

Coogar is Contradiction.

Deiok:
Any arguement involving elampiro is always endless. I think this means he is back from his break from this thread.

So what about all the endless arguments I saw here for the past weeks I have been less active here? Like I argue with myself.

coogar:
elampiro's stand on the issue is retardëd...
if we map out moyes' injury list here from the day he was appointed(may 9 2013) to the 4th of december(2013), he had more injuries on his record than van gaal. moyes had close to 50 injuries!

so anything else? yet elampiro was lying through his teeth that moyes only had 18 injuries in his first 14 league games - some people have no dignity - lying is their profession.


numbers don't lie - failure has one colour & that colour is david moyes!

So Gaal no longer have more injuries compared to Moyes? I thought the initial defence of Gaal was that he had more injuries than Moyes.

When did I say Moyes had 18 injuries at Man United? I said he had 18 injuries per 14 matches at Everton before joining Man United. Therefore the injury this season can never be blamed on Moyes. This has been my stand. We all know the history of injuries in Manchester United. If Moyes was blamed for injuries under his reign, Gaal should be blamed for injuries under his reign. SAF for his own under his reign. Period!

Lastly, have you noticed some of the players who trained under Moyes who left for other clubs have stayed fit?

Welbeck injured under Gaal but has stayed fit since joining Arsenal.
Cleverley has been fit
Nani has been fit.
Chicharito has been fit.
Vidic has been fit
Evra has been fit
Ferdinand has been fit
Kagawa has been fit.
Butnner has been fit.
Fabio has been fit.


All these players trained under Moyes. Only the ones who remained have been injured. I don't know any player who has not been injured under Gaal, but all the players who left have managed to stay fit to the best of my knowledge.

coogar:
. your analogy should be where would moyes have finished if he had to deal with 41 different injuries in his first 3 months of last season?



if moyes had this injury woe last season, we woulda relegated.

coogar:
if we map out moyes' injury list here from the day he was appointed(may 9 2013) to the 4th of december(2013), he had more injuries on his record than van gaal. moyes had close to 50 injuries!

Contracted for better view.

StarBoard:
Did Moyes have to play Blackett and McNair or Blind and Carrick at CB?

Moyes didnt have his injury crisis half as bad as van Gaal.

It has now been revealed that Moyes suffered more injuries than Gaal.

vickertony:
I guess u are old here thats why u fancy argument instead of u to support the team & the coach instead u criticize him.i guess u can't even play football.Nigerians and irrelevant Arguments...You are not a true fan.

If you don't understand what is going on here why not stay around as an observer for a while? So all the fans who criticized Moyes last season were not true fans? Did you not criticized Moyes last season, secretly or privately or publicly?

vickertony:
ok oh...sometimes i wonder why u argue so much

I guess you are new here.

SailorXY:
I think I have heard various lamentations from LvG himself about how baffled & concerned he is on the injuries piling up on the team, but I haven't read where he blamed Moyes as the root cause (maybe you can show me a link)

he has been trying to put measures in place by changing the training turf @ Carrington & all the other whatnots, so what exactly is your gripe with his methods? he has made it clear that the minimum requirement for any of his playing staff is to fit & to be at the level of fitness he desires, there's a certain level of hard work that the player must be in.

now, we all noticed the apparent laziness in the squad even towards the tail end of SAF regime, players unable/unwilling to press the opponents till the ball is almost in our box. when you saw the energy in the style of lower teams like Dortmund & Celtic, you just realise that maybe its time we get new players.

when Moyes came in, I expected the energy levels to rise. new manager; surely the lads want to prove they deserve to be in the team, I didn't see nothing of the like. the game I remember good pressing from the front was when we mauled Leverkusen, and two or three games in the league but it was far from consistent.

what started to filter out of camp suddenly was discontent among the thoroughly united group, how Moyes sacked anyone that didn't greet him in the morning or looked at his daughter twice. I mean, it was just like a wrecking ball & all bullshyte. if it had been coupled with results, oh well but no! we moved from flawless victory to seventh position, the dynasty was annihilated in months pffft.

NOW AS FAR AS IM CONCERNED, THIS INJURY BLAME OR NO BLAME IS NOT WORTH DISCUSSING & IM NOT INTERESTED, WHAT IM POINTING OUT IS THAT THERES NO CASE FOR MOYES; WHETHER THAT GORES YOUR OX IS NON OF MY BLUES

Your first paragraph has ended the argument. Go and read Coogar's post blaming Moyes for our injury woes tthis season. May be you should always read trail of argument before you respond.

vickertony:
You Argue a lot
give up already he won u

Shut up! I won this argument since yesterday. The moment I produced figures showing Moyes had only 18 injuries in 14 matches, I won it.

As for SailorXY. He spoke out of point.

Luke Shaw started 35 league matches last season. Blame his injury on Moyes.
Herrera has had two injuries already. blame it on Moyes.
Falcao about 2-3 injuries. Blame it on Moyes
Blind injured. Blame it on Moyes.
Di Maria is injured. Blame it on Moyes.
Rojo fell down on his own and injured his shoulder. Blame it on Moyes.
Blackett injured. Blame it on Moyes.
DDG broke his finger. Blame it on Moyes.
Rafael getting injured as usual. Blame it on Moyes.
Rooney went into a hard ball against Hull. Blame it on Moyes.
Lingaard inexperience got him seriously injured blame it on Moyes.
Evans, Welbeclk, Valencia, injured in competitive preseason. Blame it on Moyes.
Young got kicked in a league match. Blame it on Moyes.

RVP stays fit. Praise Gaal
Rooney stays fit. Praise Gaal


Abeg, I can't see any of our 42 injuries that can be traced to Moyes. If Moyes was blamed for injuries to players under him, irrespective of whether the players were previously renowned for chronic injuries, or whether they were injured on international duties, or whether they were injured in training, or got injured during club matches, or injured in preseason, or injured before preseason, this same measure of blame should be apportioned to Van Gaal.
Before Moyes resumed Man United training in 2013, Rooney, Valencia, Nani, were already injured. Moyes only had mostly young forwards to take to preseason. No one ever mentioned that. All that we here now is Shaw was not fit.

Na wao! So SailorXY join dey blame DDG injury on Moyes? Many injuries this season have come from training ground. Even the new signings had no or little contact from opponents and they got injured just like that.

I don't buy into those yeye excuses about Shaw, Falcao, Herrera, Di Maria, Blind and Rojo.

No one excused Moyes last season for injuries to our injury prone players like Nani, Young, Rafael, Jones, Evans, Smalling, Fabio, Anderson, Cleverley, Fletcher.

Double standard.

SailorXY:
- is it that you don't remember that Falcao was not purchased outrightly because of the kind of injury he suffered? had Vidal arrived & had some recurring issues like he's had these past few months, you'll say LvG has not managed him well?

- Herrera's injury happened on the pitch & it was a kick to his ribs, he rushed back for the next game & matters got worse

- Rojo has always been a tough lad, he looks calm but is hardly bullied. a dislocated shoulder happened on the pitch, wetin coach wan do about am?? he back already ahead of schedule, same cannot be said with most of LvG's inherited defenders

- Blind's injury away on nternationals is part of the game, & it was a kinda nasty bruise. body no get metal endoskeleton

- Shaw himself admitted the fact, his manager in the English national team said the same thing! 3-0 in favor of "unfit" is flawless

- di Maria has been kicked around a lot in the league, remember he couldn't even complete his first few games

most of these guys also need some settling down time in a new league/environment. infact, the only guy who has taken to hostilities like it was nothing is Daley Blind.

a whole new group, a whole new management. in a sane world, such drastic changes are given a year before any sort of reckless expectations.

well, we live in an insane planet eii??

This is the most illogical post I have seen from you since I joined this thread. It doesn't connect with the argument on ground. The argument on ground is that Moyes is blamed for the outrageous injuries at Man United. I just brought out two logics:

First, Moyes team has a record of 18 injuries in 14 matches. Gaal has 42 in 14 matches.

Second, all our new signings are now injured and non was trained by Moyes. They have only played 7 matches on the average.

Where were you when Moyes was being blamed for DDG broken finger for Spain? When Moyes was being blamed for Jones his injury for three lions. When Moyes was blamed for Lingaard injury against Swansea? When Moyes was blamed for supposed Rooney's injury against Hull.

More:
Welbeck was against Roma in USA (I think)
Valencia was against a certain opposition in USA
Evans was also in USA
Young was in a league match.

Can't you see Gaal style is responsible for virtually our 42 injuries (43 if Rooney is added). What has Moyes got to do with these injuries? The fact that our new signings have had injuries (multiple injuries for that matter) exonerates Moyes completely. I reiterate, I don't remember any serious kicks to these guys. Herrera, Rojo, Shaw, Blind don't have history of injuries to best of my knowledge.

Thu, Dec 4, 2014, 6:13pm

LONDON (Reuters) - Saudi Arabia slashed its oil prices for Asian and U.S. buyers on Thursday, in a move some analysts said shows it is stepping up its battle for market share a week after refusing to support OPEC output cuts.

Official Selling Prices (OSPs) for oil from the largest producer and exporter in the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries have been seen as possible indications of the kingdom's oil policies.

Some analysts have said sharp drops in OSPs in recent months show the kingdom is fighting for market share with other producers, but others have said the OSPs only reflect the market and are a backward-looking rather than a forward-looking indicator.

The discounts on Saudi crude oil for Asian customers in January were the biggest since at least 2002, according to Reuters data, while prices were cut to the United States for the fifth month in a row.

"(The) Saudis are making it clear they don't want to lose market share," Richard Mallinson, an analyst at consultancy Energy Aspects, told the Reuters Global Oil Forum.

Saudi Arabia and other rich Gulf producers last week blocked proposals from poorer OPEC members, such as Venezuela and Algeria, to cut output to support oil prices, which have plummeted by over a third since June.

OPEC sources have said Saudi Oil Minister Ali al-Naimi told the OPEC ministerial meeting behind closed doors that OPEC should defend its market share, because production cuts would only boost rival producers, including U.S. shale oil companies.

According to the sources, Naimi did not give any indication how far prices would need to fall for Saudi Arabia to consider cutting production.

Oil prices have been volatile since the OPEC meeting and are down around 40 percent since June. On Thursday, Brent crude fell, trading below $70 per barrel. [O/R]

Aramco cut the January price for its Arab Light grade for Asian customers by $1.90 a barrel from December to a discount of $2 a barrel to the Oman/Dubai average.

The Arab Light OSP to the United States was set at a premium of $0.90 a barrel to the Argus Sour Crude Index (ASCI) for January, down 70 cents from the previous month.

Arab Light OSPs to Northwest Europe were raised by 20 cents for January from the previous month to a discount of $3.15 a barrel to the Brent Weighted Average (BWAVE).

The tables below show the full FOB prices for January in U.S. dollars.

Saudi term crude supplies to the United States are priced as a differential to the Argus Sour

Crude Index (ASCI).

United States
JANUARY DECEMBER CHANGE

EXTRA LIGHT +2.50 +3.40 -0.90

LIGHT +0.90 +1.60 -0.70

MEDIUM -1.05 -0.65 -0.40

HEAVY -2.30 -2.20 -0.10

Prices at Ras Tanura destined for Northwest Europe are set against Brent crude weighted average (BWAVE):

NW EUROPE

JANUARY DECEMBER CHANGE

EXTRA LIGHT -1.45 -1.65 +0.20

LIGHT -3.15 -3.35 +0.20

MEDIUM -4.70 -5.00 +0.30

HEAVY -7.45 -7.95 +0.50

Saudi term crude supplies to Asia are priced as a differential to the Oman/Dubai average:

ASIA

JANUARY DECEMBER CHANGE

SUPER LIGHT +0.20 +1.70 -1.50

EXTRA LIGHT -0.85 +1.00 -1.85

LIGHT -2.00 -0.10 -1.90

MEDIUM -3.45 -1.60 -1.85

HEAVY -5.85 -4.05 -1.00

Prices at Ras Tanura for Saudi oil destined for the

Mediterranean are set against the BWAVE:

MEDITERRANEAN

JANUARY DECEMBER CHANGE

EXTRA LIGHT -1.00 -1.35 +0.35

LIGHT -2.50 -2.70 +0.20

MEDIUM -4.00 -4.30 +0.30

HEAVY -6.25 -6.55 +0.30
http://finance.yahoo.com/news/saudis-steeply-cuts-oil-prices-141135044.html

[b]I beg jor. Let Gaal take full responsibility for this season's injuries. Moyes handed over a healthy team to Giggs, bar Rooney who eneded the season injured. However, he was fit to start with Gaal.

Come to think of this:
New signing.
1. Falcao was playing Monaco but has been injured 2-3 times under Gaal.
2. Herrera was fit for Athletic but has been injured twice. I think one was in training
3. Rojo fell on his own during a match. I don't have his injury history.
4. Blind got injured on international duty. But it has to count against Gaal as it is the tradition.
5. Shaw played full 35 matches for Southampton last season but Gaal declared him unfit. And so the prophecy followed him. He has rarely been fit.
6. Di Maria came here fit. But he is already injured.


You can blame the above on Moyes. Gaal could not even manage any one of our 6 signings to be fit for just 10 matches. The average appearance of these players is 7 matches yet look at the injuries. I can't remember any of these players taking a serious kick from opponents.
[/b]

I don't seem to get you on the medical aspect. Are you trying to say Moyes cancelled the medical arrangement and closed the facility? Or he chased away the sponsors and doctors?

Is this same medical facility not available to Gaal? It shouldn't really come into this argument.

coogar:
it was moyes that sacked the experienced para-medics SAF put in place for the new medical facility in carrington. moyes is to blame 100% for our injury woes. LVG wouldn't have sacked any of them if we had hired the dutchman after fergie left.

My point is, Moyes managed Everton well. The spate of injury at Everton has always been low. I am sure Martinez enjoyed a healthy squad. Look at Distin still going at 36.

Moyes injury numbers were very okay. There is no need to belabor this.

coogar:
about 10 before the league campaign started. those were the scars left by your favourite manager(the scottish gollum) - moyes!

Not correct at all.

Luke Shaw
Welbeck
Evans
Smalling
Rafael
Valencia
Wilson all got injured playing friendly cup in USA for Gaal.

Only Carrick (and may be Anderson) injured themselves before the camp in USA.

Even if we were to accept your report, Moyes usually had an average of 18 injuries in 14 league matches. So why does Gaal have 30-40? Moyes has nothing to do with this. at all.

coogar:
why are you arguing like this na?
the 42 injuries statistic was counted since van gaal was appointed in may. van gaal didn't join united until after the world cup in late july.

how is van gaal responsible for the injuries copped by united players while he was in brazil managing the holland team? have you eaten today?

How many of the 42 were before Gaal took over training? When you deduct we will still be close to 40.

Logging out. I willl be back much later.