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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:47pm On Dec 29, 2014

dopeJemi:
Is this back 3 possible?

Jones---- rojo---- shaw

Yes. But I think Rojo is a bit lacking in pace to play alone in the middle.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43pm On Dec 29, 2014

coogar:
carrick played behind rooney....
rooney made those clearances when united were defending set-plays. nothing to do with his average position in the game. rooney was poor yesterday but it's not his natural position so he gets a pass....

our best players were mata, carrick, young.

Have you checked the position in whoscored? Also the heat map?

Rooney did the dirty job. That's how a team work is. When you go into a match, you could use your unique quality for the overall benefit of the team. I am not talking about the clearances but players overall movement in the game as captured by opta heatmap.

Against Newcastle for instance, CVarrick sat deeper than Rooney, while Mata still play higher than Rooney. Both on opta heat map and position chart of whoscored.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:25pm On Dec 29, 2014

ChristineC:
Robin van Persie in particular was horrible. missing easy chances right, left and center. It was a very poor second 45 minutes showing from the team. Had they continued to push on from the first 45 minutes, I'm sure someone would have scored at some point.

Merry Christmas.

I thought we missed Valencia in the second half. His substitution unbalanced our play, coupled with fatigue.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:07pm On Dec 29, 2014

Even whoscored put Rooney slightly behind Carrick in player's position chart. Mata was almost levelled with Falcao while RVP was the most advanced player.

Two different sources saying same thing.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:51pm On Dec 29, 2014

coogar:
stop lying.....
there's no heat map on the planet that would put rooney behind carrick. unconsciously revised? against the tactical approach of LVG? united played 3-1-4-2. carrick was the 1 in front of the back-3 and one of rooney's aerial duel was his only shot on target. what was rooney doing in the tottenham's box if he was unconsciously playing behind carrick?

You dont know football. The formation changes with the game, particularly when the opponent becomes difficult. The heat map shows Rooney played deeper. You can check it out.

Even whoscored positional average chart shows Rooney and Carrick played on same line while Mata operated in front of them. Go check it our again.

coogar:
what was rooney doing in tottenham's box when he was our most advanced player when his first touch let him down?

Where was Carrick when Rooney cleared from inside the 6 yard box from open play? Where was Carrick when Rooney made five clearances?

coogar:
how can young be more advanced when he was a wingback? do you even understand tactics at all?

Why not go check it our?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:40pm On Dec 29, 2014

coogar:
rooney didn't play deeper than carrick....now let's compare him to angel michael.

1 chance created
1 goal attempt
5/5 backward passes
17/21 forward passes

0 goals
0 assists
7/9 final third passes
**carrick takes no cornerkicks**

you know rooney is poor when carrick made more forward passes and more passes in the final third than rooney.

case closed!!

I had to look things up. So I decided to revisit briefly.

* Did you notice that because of the physicality and pace of the Tottenham side it meant Rooney's role and Carrick were unconsciously revised? Rooney's heat maps showed he played deeper than Carrick. This perhaps was the reason Carrick made only 34 passes.

He had more defensive stats than Carrick. Rooney made 5 clearances against 1 for Carrick. Rooney won two aerial dues out of 5. Carrick did not bother to contest for any aerial due even though he is far taller.

Heat map also reveals that Rooney played deeper than Young throughout the match. It means he gave other midfield and forward players more freedom to operate in the attacking zone.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:15am On Dec 29, 2014

Caveatemptor:
This is rich,coming from someone who believed and insisted United should keep faith with calamity David Moyes last season.

Yes, it didn't make sense to sack Moyes in the firs half of the season. He even finished the half 8 points (I think)from the top of the league.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:13am On Dec 29, 2014*

Does Martinez want to take Everton to relegation?

Nemesis is catching up with them at Everton (coach and players) for their disrespect of Moyes with bad comments at this time last season. They felt Moyes was their problem for a decade 'cos they were in top 4 under Martinez.

Ukwu!

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:04am On Dec 29, 2014

Caveatemptor:
^^^
265k a week for what?

It's not paid from our pockets. We needed drastic and desperate reaction to our poor 2013/14 season. We needed to lift the mood in the dressing room. We needed to take risk. Falcao was already a big earner before we bought him. We bought him as the best striker in the world. To bang in goals like Suarez did for Liverpool last season. The chances are coming, we have to wait and see.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:57am On Dec 29, 2014

Why are you posting this?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:53am On Dec 29, 2014

^^^

We didn't have a bench. Rotation would have solved it.

Lindegaard, Rafael, Smalling,
Shaw, Fletcher, A.Pereira,
Wilson

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:48am On Dec 29, 2014

Louis van Gaal believes fixture congestion may have cost Manchester United two points against Tottenham this afternoon.

He told BT Sport: "We lost two points I think.

"We had the best performance of Manchester United's season in the first half, we could have scored four or five goals I think, but we didn't reward ourselves.

"In the second half, it was more of a struggle than football. You could see that the players could not recover in two days. It was an ugly match.

"In the first half we played very, but when you do now score goals then you cannot win. I said already before the matches, it is the culture of England [to play twice in 48 hours].

"I think the human body cannot recover with 48 hours and in the second half it was a struggle.

"We gave three possibilities or chances away but we could have also scored from three possibilities. Juan Mata was free at the 16 metres, van Persie could have scored and Falcao could have scored.

"But the first half was a fantastic half of ours, but then you have to finish the attacks and we were not so effective today."

[Source: Express]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43am On Dec 29, 2014

Louis van Gaal has revealed that the injury sustained by Antonio Valencia following Uniteds draw with Tottenham will not keep him out for a lengthy period of time.

Valencia was replaced at half-time by Rafael da Silva and speaking after the match Van Gaal once again threw his weight behind the argument that the Christmas period sees too many fixtures played.

“Valencia has a groin injury but it is not too bad as we changed him at half-time. But we will have to wait and see,

“I said it already before the matches, but okay. It’s a culture of England. I think the human body cannot recover within 48 hours, and you have seen that the second half was a struggle."

[Source: Givemefootball]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:40am On Dec 29, 2014

Manchester United are ready to hand Michael Carrick a new one-year deal.

United will activate a one-year extension of Carrick’s £130,000-a-week contract to keep the midfielder at Old Trafford beyond the summer.

Carrick agreed to the clause when he signed a two-year deal in 2013 and has expressed a wish to stay.

The midfielder, 33, has been one of their most influential players since his return from injury and it has coincided with an upturn in fortunes for the club.

[Source: Mail on Sunday]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:39am On Dec 29, 2014

Louis van Gaal is keen to bring Inter Milan flop Nemanja Vidic back to Old Trafford.

The Daily Star Sunday saysclaim the Serbian defender left Old Trafford in the summer but has been DUMPED onto the transfer list by former Manchester City boss Roberto Mancini.

And Van Gaal is looking to pick him up on a free after spending nine years at Old Trafford.

Inter are unlikely to ask for a fee but will be delighted to rid themselves of Vidic's £50,000 a week wages.

Vidic will aparently be allowed to leave when the transfer window opens at the end of the week and he would love to return to United where he could provide a short fix in defence until the end of the season.

Juventus and Besiktas are also showing interest in Vidic but "home" is where the heart is and the United legend would walk back into Old Trafford without any hesitation.

[Source: Daily Star, Tribal Football]

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:15am On Dec 29, 2014

coogar:
you have been mortally destroyed again in your bid to cover rooney's ineptitude.

you have a problem with logic.
your excuse for rooney's poor performance was that he operated from a deep position. so i brought out carrick's stat from the same position to destroy your flawed theory that one cannot be creative from a deep position.

how come rooney's deep position wasn't a hindrance against newcastle? if carrick could complete more passes in the final third than rooney in a game both of them completed, then your theory is flawed.

QED!!!

Forget all these. I don't just want to argue.

By the way are you writing from London or from Akabeze? Where are you this Christmas?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:46pm On Dec 28, 2014

coogar:
rooney didn't play deeper than carrick....now let's compare him to angel michael.

1 chance created
1 goal attempt
5/5 backward passes
17/21 forward passes

0 goals
0 assists
7/9 final third passes
**carrick takes no cornerkicks**

you know rooney is poor when carrick made more forward passes and more passes in the final third than rooney.

case closed!!

Is Carrick now RVP I asked for? If I wanted o compare with Carrick, I woulld bring more items.

Give us gif. Mba. Produce RVP's stat, mba. Coogar go and sleep.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:42pm On Dec 28, 2014

Good night.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:33pm On Dec 28, 2014

coogar:
0 chance created
1 shot on target
19/20 backward passes
11/17 forward passes

0 goals
0 assists
4/7 final third passes
1/4 corner kicks.

rooney did okay? as in okay?

Already got in bed before I saw this.

This is meaningless. Rooney did very okay and was rated only behind Mata by many pundits. He was a deep pllayer and he did his job well.

Can we see similar stat for RVP, a striker?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:08pm On Dec 28, 2014

Forget that thing. RVP missed the best chance.

Most reports and highlights don't even have Rooney's case in their reports.

How was Rooney poor? Rooney did okay. Very okay.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:36pm On Dec 28, 2014

coogar:
his first touch was inside box-6, he was too close to the goalie and lloris ain't a slouch. rooney's chance was at the edge of the box with the goalie to beat.......how did rooney's control took the ball backwards?

they all missed chances but rooney's chance was the most glaring, the easiest to finish. it's a disgrace he squandered that good ball from carrick.

rooney didn't play deeper than carrick, rafael, valencia, etc. how did they manage to create more chances on the day than rooney?

Well since you didnt give us gif, no need.

However, do you know Man United created 15 chances at Villa Park. From 6 players. And Mata produced nil? That's how it can happen. We over depend on stats from goals, assists and key passes. We see these matches and overall contribution of our players.

Four of these players who created key passes at Villa park played behind Mata. (Rooney 3 key passes, Young 3, Valencia 2 and Carrick 2 )

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:03pm On Dec 28, 2014*

1 De Gea
The Spaniard was solid when called upon but never truly tested by Spurs.

P. Jones 4
Did well on the whole. Good anticipation and strength.

P. McNair 33
The youngster looked nervy buy was well protected by the rest of the United defence.

J. Evans 6
A couple of shaky moments up against Kane before he was replaced by Smalling in the 72nd minute.

A. Valencia 25
Provided width and defended well before being replaced due to injury at half-time.

M. Carrick 16
Controlled the tempo of the game as he sat in front of United's back four. Classy passing.

A. Young 18
Lucky to get away with foul on Townsend in the second half but dangerous on the ball with his pace and crossing ability. Forced a fine save from Lloris in the first half.

W. Rooney 10
The United captain was particularly influential in the first half as he picked the ball up in deep positions and started United attacks.

R. van Persie 20
Missed the best chance of the game when he tried to round Lloris rather than shoot early. Some good link-up play.

R. Falcao 9
Worked hard and produced some good movement, but the Colombian's finishing was tame when he had clear chances to score.

Mata 8
Dangerous in the final third as he picked up possession between the lines. Hit the post with a first-half free kick and produced a fine pass to set up Van Persie for a great chance, but did blaze over from a good position.

-goal.com

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:48pm On Dec 28, 2014*

coogar:
this is a witch-hunt
the elephant in the room is rooney. he missed the best chance in the game

May be we will need gif for all the missed chances. RVP missed chance is actually the worst. He didnt need to touch the ball twice after he had successfully brought it down within himself.

Remember too, RVP missed 2 or 3. Falcao missed 2. They were the strikers.

coogar:
his only attempt on target throughout the game and he created nothing for 90 mins.

Rooney played deeper than the other guys. He operated deep, and it was fair considering we had 3 men operating in attacking zone.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:35pm On Dec 28, 2014

DDG

"Good game although we didn't score! We'll try to do our best in 2015! Thanks for the support this year!"

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:20pm On Dec 28, 2014

Caveatemptor:
The rate at which Falcao falls to the turf shows a player lacking fitness and confidence on his own ability. He is just not the player he once was because his body has been ravaged by injuries.
The amount of money being paid for this guys loan deal is ridiculous considering he has done practically zilch sine he arrived OT.
The loan is even more annoying considering the fact that we released Welbeck and loaned out Chicharito,Nani and Zaha.
Is Falcao better than what we've got on current form? I say a big fat NO.

I think you are taking it too far. He is working his way back to fitness. He will get there soon. Even fit strikers sometimes have lull period.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:17pm On Dec 28, 2014

Carrick with 34 passes today was our 8th top passer. This justifies my call for him to be rested. This might also be the lowest from that position this season. His pass accuracy unusually fell to below 80.

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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:50pm On Dec 28, 2014

chrisley024:
He needs training on how to stay on his feet. The rate at which he falls is alarming.

He is trying too hard to prove his ability. He is even going into dangerous tackles and I get scared for him.

He was dispossed 9 times today. I dont think I have ever seen anything like that. He also had 3 unsuccessful touches which was the highest with Mata.

However, we just have to keep faith with him knowing his capability. He gets chances, and just a matter of time he will start scoring plenty from them.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:43pm On Dec 28, 2014

"I don't see any influence from me when I am there shouting," he said. "They are not understanding you.

"With the fans in the Premier League shouting so much, they can't understand you.

"That's why I'm always on the bench. You have trained them to read the game by themselves all week.

"It is much more important that they are more involved with the game, that they make their own decisions. It is like a child - you educate them."

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:25pm On Dec 28, 2014

“I’m not interested in what’s happening with the players he’s brought in because they’ll need time. When I took Patrice Evra and Nemanja Vidic in the January of the same year [2006], they were all over the place. It took five months to get used to playing for Manchester United, the culture, the history of the club, and these new players will be exactly the same.”

SAF on Man United struggling new signings.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:21pm On Dec 28, 2014

lol Young was already celebrating that 'goal'.

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:36pm On Dec 28, 2014

Odunharry:
Louis van Gaal explains players “were tired” after defensive substitutions against Tottenham

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal has revealed that the reason he made three defensive substitutions against Tottenham Hotspur was because his players were tired. Despite struggling to make the
breakthrough during the 0-0 draw at White Hart Lane on Sunday, Van Gaal brought on Rafael, Chris Smalling and Luke Shaw rather than someone like James Wilson.

Speaking to the media at his press
conference after the game, Van Gaal
said that there was nothing tactical
about the decision, he just needed to bring the players off who were
looking tired.

If only we had Blind, Fellaini and Herrera. Rooney and Carrick needed the rest most. Valencia too. Agreed. But what rest did Evans and McNair needed?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:14pm On Dec 28, 2014

Days like this, you need Di Maria or Nani to do some solo job for you. We lacked that in the second half. Young tried his best.

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