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coogar:
why are you counting like a nursery school student? did carrick not get injured during preseason? is preseason part of the league campaign.

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count the number of injuries we have had even before the season started proper. you want to blame van gaal for this?

All these were still under Gaal during preseason. Only RVP, Carrick and Ando appeared to have injured outside Gaal's camp.

coogar:
the 42 injuries isn't in 14 matches - it dates back to July when van gaal was appointed. all those injuries during preseason were counted as part of it!

Moyes own also include off season. Check your list.

coogar:
how did you come about these numbers? we keep asking you the single-most important question & you keep evading them....why did moyes sack fergie's backroom staff that brought the resurgence of our clean bill of health in 2012/13?

van gaal inherited moyes' quacks in the medical facility. some of them are still there, inexperienced, clueless, wet behind their ears, etc. van gaal is still working with some of the bastärds moyes brought from goodison park - the experienced ones fergie retained for years were sacked by moyes!



how many players played for everton in those days? how can you compare a thin squad like everton to man utd that played in 4 competitions or sometimes 5 under ferguson??

community shield
38 league games
FA cup
carling cup
club world cup
champions league

There can only be 38 league matches in a year. When 53 injuries is prorated to 14 matches, you get 18 injuries from Moyes.

Yet Gaal has 42 already in 14 matches.

StarBoard:
coogar,
tell me those stats aint for real.
Abeg.

If they are then we need to carry whoever approved him as United manager to the okija shrine.

So how come he didn't have 42 injuries in 14 matches? If his style were bad, he would have 100 injuries in 14 matches considering the years he carried out his 'terrorist' style training on his boys.

Gaal should take responsibility for our 42 injuries in 14 matches.

Coogar, this means Moyes had only 18 injuries every 14 matches. Gaal had 42 in 14 matches.

You also have not compared Moyes with Man United and other teams season by season. We may also need length of injuries as I see some trivial issues as 'virus' on your list.

coogar:
no, they were not!
they were always getting injured. they always start very poorly & make a late show for it. he's a failure - even his former players were praising martinez & complained about moyes' nasty regime while there....

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-542569/Everton-injury-crisis-ahead-Merseyside-derby.html

http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11671/5654267/moyes-facing-injury-crisis

This doesnt answer the question. Which clubs don't have occasional crisis? May be you can give us stats just as you did some time ago when you showed us how injury had not been fair to us over the years visavis other clubs.

This has not convinced me. Moyes built a very athletic team. MARTINEZ ONLY REAPED WHERE HE DID NOT SOW. YET HE FINISHED IN THE SAME EUROPA ZONE. TOPIC FOR ANOTHER DAY.

Angel Di Maria insists Manchester United have not given up in the race for the Premier League title, but admits it will be tough to catch leaders Chelsea.
“There is a long way to go until the end of the season, but Chelsea already have many more points than us, we will fight to the end, though, so we can finish as high as possible in the table.
"It’s not easy to win titles, but it may happen as time goes by. I think this club must be back among the best.”
Greats such as Cristiano Ronaldo, George Best, Bryan Robson and Eric Cantona have set a high standard at Old Trafford over the years and Di Maria is confident he can step up to the mark.
Di Mariahas explained why he decided to wear the prestigious No.7 shirt at Manchester United. said: "I knew that the number seven was available.
"So I could either choose that or the number nine. I wanted the number seven, though, because I knew who had worn it in the past.
"Also, I have the same number when I play for Argentina."
[Source: Daily Star]

Christmas party. Rooney sabi sing?

Manchester United have had their fair share of injury problems this season but it seems to be subsiding now.

Wayne Rooney is expected to be fit and Radamel Falcao has now made two consecutive substitute appearances from the bench, so United's attack is looking very strong.

Defenders Phil Jones and Jonny Evans are still both out but back in training and Rafael is expected to be available for selection having been back in training this week.

It's a bonus for United who appear to be in better shape going into the Southampton game. In the next 2 weeks Rafael, Jones, Evans, Lingard, Di Maria and Shaw should all be back in action.

Daley Blind is set to return to training in January.

[Source: thepeoplesperson, physioroom.com]

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Angel di Maria admits Louis van Gaal has implemented a strict regime at Manchester United.

Di Maria insists the players are more than aware that the Dutchman calls the shots.

“He took Holland to the semi-finals of the World Cup, and people tell me he is a really good trainer,

“And he is showing that at United. He is a strict manager, that is true. You have to do things as he says, but he is the coach and we are the players.

"So we have to obey what he says. Every manager has his own ways of doing things. They are all different.

"It is every player's dream to win the Champions League. Yes, I do miss Champions League football. We will have to do our best this season so that we qualify for next year’s tournament.

"It won’t be easy. But some weeks ago we were seventh or eighth in the table, and now we are fourth.

"So we have to keep on working. The thing we aim for the most is qualifying for the Champions League, which is what this club deserves.

"I also want to win titles, but I am aware that we will have to go step by step since the manager and some of the players are new."

[Source: Daily Star]

codedguy1:
At 26 he is getting tired after 5 consecutive games.

He aint serious at all.

When we qualify for CL and play all the way to the semi and final while still in the FA cup he will start begging not to be chosen!

It happens when you have been away from regular football for a long time. He is also made to work under Gaal as he never worked before all his career. His fatigue was obvious in the last match.

coogar:
in 12/13? cleverley injured? you could only name 3-4 players in an entire season when we are talking about 42 different injuries already within the last 4 months.



nah - the team wasn't healthy when LVG arrived. shaw was unfit, carrick got crocked, many players were still carrying the scars of last season & the world cup didn't really help our cause.

If Moyes created injury crisis for Manchester United that is affecting us today,

1. How come Everton did not have injury crisis when Moyes left?
2. Everton players were the most energetic and athletic in the EPL during Moyes time there.

David Moyes actually lost it in the second half of the season. After 19 matches, Moyes was just 8 points from the top team, Arsenal. He was recovering well towards the end of the year 2013. Some good results in November and December.

Should we have a good 2015, we will finish very strongly this time around.

coogar:
there's nothing to accept - we had a near perfect 12/13 season in terms of injuries. only kagawa was out injured for a long spell that i can remember.

after hargreaves made a mockery of our medical facility in 2011. fergie got the whole place refurbished with the help of toshiba. we spent £25m and around nov 2012, fergie was gushing at the changes being made to improve us health wise.

moyes came on in may 2013 & destroyed the foundation laid down. took off all SAF's staff & replaced them with everton goons who know nothing about sports science. we are still feeling that effect of losing experienced staff.

May be if you checked closer, you would find out that Rooney, Nani, Cleverley, Rafael, Young were injured as well. Although I dont have the list.

I cannot argue about the facility put in place by SAF. But remember the team was in a healthy state in terms of injury when Gaal arrived. He took a healthy team to preseason.

codedguy1:
What is all this nonsense that LvG has not or is not being criticised. Are you guys on this forum at all.

Have we not questioned his 352 formations that the players are not comfy with it and he insist on playing it.

Have not criticised some of his substitutions on this forum.

Why are u guys talking as if even SAF did not have scandalous loses to lowly teams or that we did not at some point have lethagic performances under SAF who is suppose to the best that ever happened to United.

But SAF and LvG have their CVs to back them up even when things are going south.

Did we ever have a 4match winning streak Under Moyes?

There is a wide diff between Moyes and LvG atleast at this point. At the end of the season wherever we finish will give a complete pic as we would be able to assess both managers after a year.

Moyes was a failure abeg, the job overwhelmed him. United board made a mistake and are in the process of correcting it.

Even if we lose the next game, we see the improvements and know its just a matter of time we get back to what we were - Champions!

Yes, there was even a 6/6. He even won the Shield.
1. UCL CHAMPIONS LEAGUE Tu 10Dec 2013 Man Utd 1 - 0 Shakhtar
2. ENGLISH PREMIER Su 15Dec 2013 Aston Villa 0 - 3 Man Utd
3. CAPITAL ONE CUP We 18Dec 2013 Stoke 0 - 2 Man Utd
4. ENGLISH PREMIER Sa 21Dec 2013 Man Utd 3 - 1 West Ham
5. ENGLISH PREMIER Th 26Dec 2013 Hull 2 - 3 Man Utd
6. ENGLISH PREMIER Sa 28Dec 2013 Norwich 0 - 1 Man Utd

StarBoard:
Please enlighten me.
How many games did Keane Play?

As for the injuries, they occur mostly in games and international duty. I've not heard anyone complain about van Gaal's methods in training.
van Persie, Rio and a number of players were very vocal in their displeasure of Moyes' methods of training (I heard included frog jump)

I still insist that the injuries last year were not as enormous as this.

Only RVP complained of Moyes training methods during his reign. Under Gaal many f the injuries were from training. Particularly at the early stage before we bought players.

In terms of injuries, Gaal has no excuse. He always had a decent starting XI as compared to Moyes. Any coach who has the luxury of keeping Mata, Herrera, Carrick, Falcao , Januzaj and Fletcher on th bench is a lucky coach.

I haven't the stat for Kean. I am not dispose for that now.

vickertony:
what are u arriving at I skul in france make me understand.

Surrender your certificate. You need to attend proper education (School) at Owo or Ajegunle.

StarBoard:
Did Moyes have to play Blackett and McNair or Blind and Carrick at CB?

Moyes didnt have his injury crisis half as bad as van Gaal.

I thought Moyes played a certain Kean? The same Kean McNair and Blacket took out of the team.

Moyes played Carrick at CB. You have forgotten? Blind at CB is not a minus. He's a world cup defender. His experience is enough to help him adjust in defence.

As for the injuries? Are you saying Gaal is running an ISIS camp? Lol . On a more serious note, at this time last season, Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand, Rafael, Cleverley, Nani, Young, RVP, Fabio, Welbeck, Fletcher, were already injured missing lots of matches. May be Carrick sef.

Only DDG, Evra, Buttner and Januzaj managed to stay fit. Gaal may have had 41 injuries, but he always had quality to fall back on.

At this time last season, jones was our only fit midfielder. But Gaal had been benching Herrera and Carrick until Bling got injured.

Dadehmola:
Blind, Rooney, di Maria, RVP and mata have all been available to LVG for a good number of our matches. Why then should the issue of momentum come in when we struggle in attack against teams like crystal palace and burnley?

Moyes was never this lucky.

Blind
Rooney
Di Maria
RVP
Mata
Valencia
Januzaj

7 quality players have all been available to Gaal. To the extent of having the luxury to bench Mata. We are even benching Falcao even when fit, but Moyes was playing half fit RVP at this time last season. Later he played half fit Rooney in December.

Herrera was on the bench for three weeks.

I believe In Gaal, but I don't know why it is thought he shouldn't be criticized at all.

StarBoard:
injury concerns overplayed?
41 injuries since the beginning of the season cannot be.
Yesterday was the first game we didnt suffer any injury in a long time.

You are back to basics, the very issue that gave birth to that long argument. Injuries.

I remember vividly the argument was about the too many injuries in the team. While Moyes was blamed for the too many injuries, Gaal was not blamed. Instead the players are being blamed now.

Surely, Gaal knows how to get the best out of players.

You guys are taking this Moyes (vs Gaal) too far. What I remember people complained about is the double standard it terms of criticism. Particularly as Gaal spent over £150m and was still struggling without UCL and Capital1 cup.

The argument wasn't abut who was better. Gaal's game is far better even though one can still argue he had more quality to fall back on during injuries.

coogar:
smalling has always been our best central defenfer. the only problem he's got is that he's poor in possession & his distribution is horrible - he seems to have improved on those departments in the last few games. i hope he can form a partnership with rojo while we dump jones & evans in january - those 2 are the biggest wimps in the history of football. rojo got badly injured against city & he's already playing.....jones & evans have refused to come back until easter next year.

shame!

I want to believe Jones has been the fitter of the two. Although I don't have the stat.

Jones has shin splints, and according to Gaal, it's an unpredictable illness.

BinghiNya:
I believe in the team, it is still early days, top 4 is guaranteed though, GGMU, sanity is proportional to winning matches, I actually haven't been watching much footy these days

Ok

BinghiNya:
Nitlad, 1025, incredibleone,coded01, raumdeuter oya make una come post about united not makinh europe again

That's the spirit. How u go just go hide wey we dey win.

coogar:
so its van persie's fault that the pass came late? was the man in possession blind not to see that van persie would run beyond the last defender & release the ball just before he does so?

only on NL people blame the runner & not the slow thinkers who are in possession. in the real world, the man with the ball is the one in control. he's the one to spot the run & know the right moment to release the pass.

The fault can come from either the passer or the receiver. This purely was a RVP fault. Even if he were to wait 3 seconds more, no one would come close to him. He is a professional, not a robbot who just run because his team mate is in control. In my opinion, the pass was swift and it came at the right time.

Yoou saw the way RVP aligned himself with Wilson's run despite Wilson delay of the ball. That was professionalism at work.

BinghiNya, why aren't you celebrating these victories with us here? The happy days are coming back.

There were bits of inconsistency from both Herrera and Fellaini today. I still don't know who is better between the two.

With experience of RVP, he shouldn't be caught offside the way he did in the dying minutes. He could have scored from a through pass to him when Stoke defence left a big gap in their centre back.

That Wilson boy will be good. He only needs games to mature. He should have passed to RVP (a more experience striker) and free himself of the burden. That was a wrong decision with a slim lead.

Ashley Young had a field day. Wow! He held his own in left back position while at same time posting massive threats in the left wing. Good games from Rojo and Smalling.

Falcao has a long way to go in terms of match fitness. Gaal is justified in his selection of Wilson. Fletcher is gettting worse.

It was a MUST win for us and we did it. But not without the usual dose of losing a man to injury. We cannot afford to lose Di Maria, Rooney and Herrera at same time.

Facao lacks match fitness.