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coogar: not entirely....
he said he was good in the first half. 45 mins isn't 90 mins.



they weren't out of hatred - if you cannot admit rooney was shyte in the second half when we needed him the most, then you shouldn't be taken serious on this forum at all.

can 5 different articles be against rooney all of a sudden? everything they have written, i pointed out immediately after the game and you accused me of witch-hunting.

lo & behold, different articles started coming out reiterating exactly what i said on sunday. rooney was shyte on sunday especially in the second half.

In the match I saw, Rooney played well until Di Maria and Falcao left. Then everyone started playing ordinarily. We didn't see Mata and Januzaj in the game. Like we played with 9 men and finally 8 men after the red card.

SetrakusRa: www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2765720/Louis-van-Gaal-one-best-coaches-world-fix-Manchester-United-s-defence.html

^^
And they expected the captain to clap for them. Look at how Blackett played them onside.

These guys are good and smart but we missed the leadership of Ferdi or Vidic there. Smalling is to blame the most here.

coogar: it was the same tweet released at different times this year.

* Rooney scored 5 from outside the box. Pls read the last paragraph.

Taarabt's 2011/12 season was very much a settling-in period for him in the top flight, and he has already matched his goalscoring tally from last term this time around. He started 24 league games last season and only managed two goals, while he has already netted twice this campaign in only eight starts

Since the start of last season, only Wayne Rooney (38) has had more shots on target from outside the penalty area in the Premier League than Taarabt (35). The two have similar shooting accuracy from distance, with Rooney hitting the target 54.3% of the time while Taarabt does so with 53.0% of his long-rangers.

Rooney, though, leads the charts for goals from outside the box with five, while no fewer than 22 players have scored more such goals than Taarabt's two.

http://www.football365.com/f365-features/8289941/The-Stats-Say-Taarabt-Could-Be-Useful...

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KickOff.co.uk reported rooney netted 5 premier league goals outside the box. (You may do this google search. I couldn't open the link.)





See you at dawn for every other issue plus new issues you may come up with.

Lol

Odunharry,n your article accepted that Rooney played the number 10 well.


* Did I not say the negative comments were out of hatred? Did we not see the match? Now this man is talking about leadership. How many leaders are left in the team? How long has Rooney been a leader? What is the reason for a learning curve?

coogar: last season was an anomaly - rooney had no one to share in the freekick duties. giggs played less games than ever. nani/young were perpetually injured & RVP was injured for most parts.



you are the one with no evidence. i have been able to provide evidence of the breakdown of all the goals scored outside the box from 08/09.



that argument is dead & buried. the author of that article was talking about rooney operating behind hernandez to win the title in the second half of 2010/11 season & reaching the wembley final against barca.



so because RVP scored more from close range means rooney was from a withdrawn position? whose fault is it that rooney isn't disciplined positionally? RVP was a lone striker that year, rooney had a strike partner - the creativity was from the flanks(nani + young + valencia)

so what was rooney doing from deep? how many assists did rooney make that season if he was operating from deep?

The below is from another website, not woscored:

Over the last 3 seasons, no player has scored more Premier League goals from outside the box than Wayne Rooney (13).




.........

It looks like Rooney's 5 goals outside the box in 2011/12 were all in the EPL. I will work on this tomorrow,at least.

^^

The above wasn't even the report I saw earlier. This is another that RVP scores more from close range.

Rooney had total of 5 goals from outside the box in all competition. The next is to determine how many were for EPL fixtures.

RVP vs Rooney - 2011/2012 Goals

by The Serbian Warrior • 26 Glorious Years (U13483)

14 August 2012

Comment on this Article

Just a comparison of the goals scored by the two players last season:
Total: RVP - 37, Rooney - 35

Headers: RVP - 2, Rooney - 7
Free Kicks: RVP - 1, Rooney - 2
Penalties: RVP - 5, Rooney - 9

With feet from open play:
6 yard box: RVP - 10, Rooney - 3
18 yard box (6 yard box excluded): RVP - 18, Rooney - 9
Outside of box: RVP - 1, Rooney - 5


(Open Goals: RVP - 8, Rooney - 3)

This shows you a fair bit about the styles of both strikers.RVP is definitely a more out and out striker, getting most of his goals from inside the box.

Rooney on the other hand,drops a lot deeper - without his penalties he would have scored 26 goals, meaning about 1 in 5 of his others came from outside the box (excluding free kicks). He also seems to be a lot better with his head than RVP.

On this evidence, you could see them striking up a good partnership if Van Persie were to join, with Rooney playing off RVP. They wouldn't really get in each other's way, from the looks of things.

http://www.ja606.co.uk/articles/viewArticle/142879

coogar: why should we believe your memory? the same memory that saw hargreaves "clipping" messi's left foot?



they probably don't know what goals from outside the box is.



eplindex is more credible than whoscored - they only focus on the premier league. whoscored has a wider range of leagues & competitions - they are not as thorough & anglo-centric like eplindex.

eplindex wins my vote anyday & from their calculations, ashley young has scored more goals outside the box than rooney. they have a breakdown of the goals. how come opta isn't tweeting this info & it's whoscored that tweeted it?



RVP scored more goals outside the box than rooney in 12/13. that was my claim & it's valid.

ashley young has scored close to 12 goals from outside the box & he's higher than rooney in the last 5 years - QED!!!

2012-2014 (2 seasons), Rooney 29 total goals and 8 from ouside the box.

2009-2011 (3 seasons) Rooney scored about 66 goals, and Coogar believes he didn't score 7 of them from outside the box, even though he cannot prove whoscored wrong.

* In few days time, we shall revisit your stance on Rooney playmaker role in 2011/12 season. Based on your report.

* RVP scored more from close range (within the six box) than Rooney in 2011/12. Rooney more from wihdrawn position. I will fetch that report too. That is what I said since yesterday that from close range.

coogar: which analysis are you talking about? if it's that link you copied then you have tied yourself up cos the analysis compared different seasons for the 3 strikers.



he had 8 in the last 2 seasons.
why is it so difficult for you to read simple stats? 6 + 2 = 8, not 9!

goals outside the box in 12/13 - 2 goals
goals outside the box in 13/14 - 6 goals

RVP outscored rooney from goals outside the box in 12/13. RVP scored 3 goals.

* It's 9. I am counting matches from my memory. Even if it's 8, I means he needed only 7 in three seasons to make it. So why do you doubt whoscored?


* whoscored tweet it in April 2014, and again afresh in August 2014. TWICE independently. Remember whoscored interfaces automatically with opta.

* Ashley is no where near that figure. Your previous chart was dubious.

* I though the argument was between Rooney and RVP? RVP didn't even appear among the 11 best.

coogar: i don't see how rooney could have a total of 24 goals scored outside the box throughout his career and then have 15 in the last 5 years.

he scored more belters for everton & his first 5 years at old trafford than the last 5 years.

I don't get you. He had 9 alone in the last two years.

May be we discuss this weekend. I have many areas I am yet to respond to you as I would wish to.

In 2o11/12 I told you that he had more goals from withdrawn position, that is what the analysys wrote. It said RVP had more goals from within the 6 yard box.

Now you have accepted Rooney scored 6 goals (3 from open play sef) last season. He had 3 last two seasons. That is 9. If he scored 9 from outside the box in the last two seasons? why do you think he didnt score 6 in three preceding seasons?

My ffriend, whoscored is right.

coogar: i don't see how rooney could have a total of 24 goals scored outside the box throughout his career and then have 15 in the last 5 years.

he scored more belters for everton & his first 5 years at old trafford than the last 5 years.

this is the breakdown of his goals in 12/13 & 13/14. i included van persie to prove rooney was outscored from outside the box in 12/13.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1728042_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

then in 13/14 with the long absence of RVP, rooney was the chief taker of direct freekicks & crossed freekicks which boosted the stats

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1728043_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

if you add this to the old stats i provided, then young has more GSOB than rooney in the last 5 years. so my guess would be...... whoscored did a mistake in their tweet......replace the word player for striker and the claim would be more accurate.

WhoScored.com 



@WhoScored

.@WayneRooney: Has scored more goals from outside the box (15) than any other player in the last 5 Premier League seasons #mufc

10:14 a.m. Tue, Aug 5
https://mobile.twitter.com/WhoScored/status/496600122420371456

coogar: i don't see how rooney could have a total of 24 goals scored outside the box throughout his career and then have 15 in the last 5 years.

he scored more belters for everton & his first 5 years at old trafford than the last 5 years.

this is the breakdown of his goals in 12/13 & 13/14. i included van persie to prove rooney was outscored from outside the box in 12/13.

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1728042_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

then in 13/14 with the long absence of RVP, rooney was the chief taker of direct freekicks & crossed freekicks which boosted the stats

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1728043_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

if you add this to the old stats i provided, then young has more GSOB than rooney in the last 5 years. so my guess would be...... whoscored did a mistake in their tweet......replace the word player for striker and the claim would be more accurate.

I havent time at all. But let me try and respond. Wished this could be tyreated weekend.

* Whoscored couldnt have been wrong at all.

* You first said he had one in 2012/13 and now you said he has 2. But I remeber three, all from open play. Against Norwich he had a stunner. Against Reading he had a late winner outside the box.

Then there was a certain match again he scored a late goal when he used the defender as a shield. See video vs Reading


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ip6cuJhNUuY

coogar: we cannot see your tweet - you probably just formed that in your head. screenshot the twitter page - let us see how rooney has had 15 goals outside the box in the last 5 years.

he had only 1 in 12/13
he had 1 or less in each season between 11/12 and 08/09
he had 6 last season from his several freekicks he took.

he's not even up to ashley young if you add everything together.

13/14 - 6
12/13 - 1
11/12 - 1
10/11 - 1
09/10 - 1

that's a total of 10

even if we add 08/09, it's 11.

You don't have google to search it out? How can I be lying?

hensben: I'm not the player I was- Rooney

The England star was handed the club captaincy in the summer but he has now admitted that his standards as a striker have declined in recent months.

Manchester United captain Wayne Rooney has admitted that he is the not the player he once was, despite scoring two goals for the club so far this season.
http://www.goal.com/en/news/9/england/2014/09/23/5125738/rooney-im-not-the-player-i-was


MAN UTD LATEST
Rooney was handed the club captaincy in the summer but has struggled to lead the line for the club, with United winning just one of their opening five Premier League fixtures in 2014-15.

And the England international has now admitted that he has declined in recent years and is unsure of his best position at United, with the loan signing of Radamel Falcao from Monaco casting doubt on his future as a main striker.

"I'm not the player I was," Rooney said.

"But I feel I have progressed my game. I agree with the people who say my game has changed.

"I did too much running when I was younger and then didn’t have the energy to get myself into goal-scoring positions in the box.

"I'm a cleverer [sic] player now and know when to run into the box and when not to, and as a result more chances have come my way and I've scored a lot more goals for the club.

"But I am happy to play out wide. I can do a job there and I can do a job up front. It depends on the situation of each game and what the manager wants me to do.

"I don't think anyone can put a finger on my best position, but I am adaptable. I can go into midfield, drop out wide or play up-front. It just depends on where the manager wants me to play."

I saw this before. Rooney said he is now a more intelligent player. Didn't you see that?

Capello changed his mentality from what he used to be for SAF.

coogar: so if lampard has scored 33 goals from outside the box, how is rooney the highest?

your twitter link says nothing.

According to wbhoscored, Rooney is highest in the last 5 years. 5 YEARS.

That tweet came after we beat West Ham, I think.






*U can confirm day tweet urself.

I am also going to search out where it was stated RVP scored more from close range than Rooney in 2011/12 where both guys recorded high goals.

I saw it twice before. I think it was eplindex analysis.

Another stat that may interest you.
......

Premier League’s 11 top long-range goal scorers

Lampard 1st
Gerald 2nd
CR7 3rd
Defoe 4th
Henry4th
Ttevez 6th
Rooney 7th
http://soccerlens.com/premier-league-long-range-goalscorers/105163/


Also see Wayne Rooney- youngest to reach 175 goals.

coogar: the only condition on that chart is that only players with 2 league goals or more from outside the box were included. it then means in all the years covered, rooney scored 1 league goal or less from outside the box ......this is why he's not on any of the list for 5 consecutive seasons.

elampawa, this is not sapele where you can lie yourself out of a debate. anything you say can be verified & be used against you.

any more query?

26 Apr 2014 ... Wayne Rooney: Has scored more PL goals from outside the box (15) than any other player in the last 5 ...

twitter.com/../460111172780695552





See u later

coogar: i hope the choke extends beyond tonight

if you cannot even read simple statistics then you should be tied to a stake nakëd & lashed by 7 masquerades.

on that chart, it clearly showed GSOB(absolute) and GSOB(percentage). even if there's an endemic of river blindness in edo state, stevie wonder would still have seen what's displayed there.

finally, the writer was talking about the season rooney operated behind hernandez - mostly in europe when we got to champions league final & when we destroyed chelsea in the title race.

that was the last time rooney had any decent performance in the hole.

No, it was sorted by percentage. Except someone's has a high % to his total goals, he won't appear on your chart.

Hope u get. See u later.

RVP is safe.

Falcao is safe.

Rooney is not safe.
Mata is not safe.



U get it?

Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal casts doubt over Wayne Rooney's future as a striker



Manchester United manager Louis van Gaal says he played Wayne Rooney in midfield because he was not satisfied with him as a striker

By Mark Ogden

5:36PM BST 22 Sep 2014

'I was not so satisfied with Wayne Rooney as a striker and Juan Mata as midfielder,' says Manchester United's Louis van Gaal, explaining his team for Leicester City

Louis van Gaal has cast doubt over Wayne Rooney’s future as a striker at Manchester United after admitting to being unimpressed by his performances in an advanced role this season.

Rooney, handed the captaincy by Van Gaal before the start of the campaign, was deployed in an attacking-midfield position for the 5-3 defeat at Leicester City on Sunday, with the club’s recent signing Radamel Falcao partnering Robin van Persie up front.

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However, with Van Gaal attempting to devise a formation that enables him to accommodate United’s array of attacking talents, also including Ángel di María and Juan Mata, Rooney has relinquished his grip on his favoured position.

When asked to explain his selection for the game at Leicester, Van Gaal admitted that Rooney’s contribution this season – he has scored twice in five games – had not been enough to warrant his ongoing selection as a striker.

“We have played well, but can improve, and I was not so satisfied with Rooney as a striker and Mata as midfielder,” Van Gaal said. “That is why I changed. Rooney can play in more positions, he’s a multi-functional player and I have tried him in a striker’s position. He has played well, but not spectacular. Falcao is a striker and I think he can do it better.”

Rooney, 28, who stands 31 short of equalling Sir Bobby Charlton’s all-time United record of 249 goals, became disillusioned under former manager Sir Alex Ferguson due to a lack of opportunities in a central-attacking role following Van Persie’s arrival in August 2012.

However, despite his previous issues with playing in midfield or in a wide position, Rooney admits that his game has evolved to the point where he can now accept performing in different roles. “I’m not the player I was,” Rooney said. “But I feel I have progressed my game. I agree with the people who say my game has changed. I did too much running when I was younger and then didn’t have the energy to get myself into goalscoring positions in the box.

“I’m a cleverer player now and know when to run into the box and when not to, and as a result more chances have come my way and I’ve scored a lot more goals for the club.

“But I am happy to play out wide. I can do a job there and I can do a job up front. It depends on the situation of each game and what the manager wants me to do. I don’t think anyone can put a finger on my best position, but I am adaptable. I can go into midfield, drop out wide or play up-front. It just depends on where the manager wants me to play.”

Despite the uncertainty over his prospects as a forward, Rooney insists he can erase Charlton from the record books, both for United and England. Charlton’s all-time best haul of 49 England goals is looming into sight following Rooney’s 41st international goal against Norway this month.

“Being honest, I should get the records for United and England,” Rooney told Sky Sports. “Because of my age and the games I have left to play, I would be disappointed if I didn’t get them.”

United go into the game against West Ham United at Old Trafford on Saturday facing another defensive crisis, with Jonny Evans expected to join the injured Phil Jones and the suspended Tyler Blackett on the sidelines after sustaining an injury at Leicester.

The defeat by Leicester confirmed United’s start to the season as their worst in the Premier League era, prompting Mata to issue an apology for the performance on his Facebook page. “After a whole week waiting for the match I could not imagine a Sunday like this,” Mata wrote. “The way back from Leicester to Manchester on the bus seemed really long.

“I keep thinking about how we lost a game that was under control, but the thing is we were ahead, they equalised and when we tried to get advantage again we lost. It’s really tough to score three goals away and come back home with no points.

“On our way back to Manchester I was thinking about what had happened and felt so disappointed as all those that came with us to the stadium.

“Honestly, I feel very sorry that the weekend ended up for our fans in such a sad way.

“There is time during the week to analyse what happened and learn from our mistakes so as not to make them again.

“Now we play two consecutive games in Old Trafford that we want to win for our fans. We will put our best efforts to it, you can be sure of that.”

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/manchester-united/11114032/Manchester-United-manager-Louis-van-Gaal-casts-doubt-over-Wayne-Rooneys-future-as-a-striker.html

I will come back at night to respond well. I am choked now....

Odunharry: Van Gaal: Falcao can do a better job upfront than Rooney

Louis van Gaal has backed Radamel
Falcao to perform better than Wayne
Rooney up-front. The Manchester United captain was
forced to play in attacking midfield
against Leicester City at the weekend,
rather than in his usual starting
position up-front, to accommodate
Falcao. Van Gaal believes this is because his new Colombian attacker can offer United an improvement on the performances that Rooney has given so far. "We have played well but can improve and I was not so satisfied with Rooney as a striker... and that’s why I’m changing," he said to the Guardian. “Rooney can play in more positions, he’s a multi-functional player and I have tried him in a striker’s position.
He’s played well but not spectacular
and Falcao is a striker and I think he
can do it better.”

This is not complete na.

Gaal suggested RVP is first choice.

Falcao is to replace Rooney.

Gaal not satisfied with Mata in the midfield.

* So Mata isn't safe either.

coogar: where in that article did it say rooney was a playmaker in 11/12? so over 3 years ago from 2014 is 2012??

So now you want to drag it to 2010/11?

Let us know now the year you pinned it on.

coogar: GSOB = goals scored outside the box.

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/08.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/09.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/10.png

https://eplindex.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/10/11.png


there's no wayne rooney on the list - the article you are quoting only focused on one season - the season RVP was mostly injured was used to boost rooney's numbers in comparison to RVP's 12/13 season and you are passing that out as the gospel truth.

you are an effing disgrace, elampawa!!!!

Lies upon lies.

Did you no see when I posted it here last season when whoscored published that Rooney has scored more goals from outside the box? Why does your chart not have for 2012/13 for proper understanding?

What you have is player with higher percentage, no absolute figures.

If Rooney scored 15 from outside the box out of 80 league goals in the last 5 years, he won't appear in your fake chart.

coogar: you have observed correctly - we are now witnessing the decline of that young player that bursted into the scene in 2003. back then, an angry rooney spells doom for the opponents. he was pacy, strong on the ball, excellent dribbling skills and he could shoot from anywhere on the pitch and score.

he was piss poor on sunday.....
this was how another journo described his shambolic display against leicester.

ROONEY'S RULE
Rooney is fortunate to have that privilege after and at times acrimonious four years, irrespective of his increasingly ineffectual performances and he has not revelled as a playmaker since a stint behind Javier Hernández over three years ago.

Your article states Rooney was our number 10 (playmaker) in 2011/12, something you have always denied since vr a year now.

Who is lying? You or the authority you are quoting?





Ukwu!!



Rooney don suffer for lies. Anything at all to rubbish he poor boy, 'cos he is too young to be on £300k.

liveLongNprospa: I might not be a gud football analyst like coogar or elampiro but I hv been watching Rooney since d days of him playing with cr7 nd tevez AND TO BE TRUTHFUL ROONEY IS NOW AWFUL I MEAN DUDE MAKES ME WANNA LITERALLY SHIT IN HIS MOUTH IF I GET A CHANCE TO...he can't blame age..no way...coz ibra is showin to d world dat being 30 is awesome as a footballer...nd for the fact that he(Wayne the cow) has cheated man u into giving him a 300k contract I feel like stepping on his soul... Elampiro pls be truthful..wud u say Rooney has gotten better or worse...nd by d way m a Madrid fan nd it pains me like dis..i wonder hw u red devil lads feel wen u watch him

Rooney's major problem is that he has been playing on a shyte composed squad recently. Then SAF did not allow him to specialize as a number 9. SAF enjoyed his hard work from the deep, and when Fabio Capelo opened Rooney's eyes on how to conserve energy, SAF didn't enjoy it. He wanted a Rooney who would keep sacrificing his forward role to a workaholic who falls back to mark in the midfield. When Rooney eventually demanded for his right SAF wasn't happy.

If after the season Rooney is objectively adjudged to be poor, then may be I can admit. To me things be written are all sentiments based on the call to play Mata, same they did when Kagawa was here.

As for me, Rooney was superb in the last two games. Only Di Maria has been better.

RuuDie: The greatest assets of these guys is INTELLIGENCE not pace and power!

De Lima once said to Carlos Queiroz when he complained that he was eating too much, "Mister, I am a footballer not a sprinter..."

Pace + power without brains is just so ANTHONY VALENCIA-ish... and these guys were / are not that!

If it is intelligence, why is Kagawa not the world best player? Or Pirlo? Who was more intelligent than Scholes?

It's a combination of all, but power and pace has to be very much pronounced or dominant. I don't see Ribery and Robben as very intelligent players. They had so much pace, then power and work rate than anything else.

hensben: do you even know my argument about rooney that playing him as no 10 is waste, he is either use as top 9 when playing 4-3-3 formation or play him with a striker up front(i.e, 2 strikers like falcao n rvp in last game) when playing 4-4-2 or 4-2-3-1 or 3-5-2 or 4-1-2-1-2(LVG's formation in last game) formations.... giving excuse that he works hard bla bla bla is bs.. A no 10 is suppose to possess intelligent passes in his legs, decisive passes at final third to strikers like mata or herrera, work horses in a team are DMF and Box to B ox not no 10 though, everybody track back when on pressure or opponent want to take corner(except maybe one winger cos of counter attack)...when carrick is back or after signing strootman man utd formation should be; (4-1-2-1-2): de gea; rafael, rojo/jones, evans/smalling,shaw/rojo; strootman/blind; blind,di maria; mata/herrera; falcao, rooney/RVP.

* You obviously do not know the shape of 4-2-3-1 under which Rooney played number 10 behind RVP in 2012/13.

* Rooney did outstandingly well against Leicester. Those talking are just Mata's fans. But when has Mata ever be great against power playing teams since his arrival to EPL? Chelsea finished 6th with Mata in number 10. I thought they had a superior midfield sef. Same as 2012/13.

Even Iheanacho could have done well against QPR.

All I know is that Rooney has more goals outside the box than any other EPL striker in the last 5 years. I dnt know about Ashley Young. Someone who scores 3 goals per season.

hensben: rooney is average, english media always make most of their players to feel like football greats, if they can hype andy carrol were liverpool signed him for 35mil pounds or is it shaw(a 19 year old who is not a starter at national team,who played for southampton, he doesn't even has big tournament experience like UCL,) says it all about english players and their media.

You aren't talking facts. You are talking like someone brainwashed with bleach, you are almost like a certain guy on this thread brainwashed with acid.

Carol ko Karol ni. How much was Torres bought? Crespo flopped, Chevcheko flopped, Folan flopped in United, Veron, etc.

* Rooney has earned his name. No Man United player has his goals record against European oppositions. It's only Madrid he has not scored against, but he wasn't given the opportunity. Played out of position in Madrid and sat on the bench at home.

He has scored great goals and winning goals against EPL top teams eroute to winning titles. In 2010/11 he destroyed teams in the run in. He has done things over the years t have earned his name.

His only mistake was being selfless. If he learnt early to fight for a box role, he could have been scoring 30 goals every year while he was much sharper. But he was a hunter.