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Falcao, Rooney and Van Persie – A Statistical Comparison

Sep 03, 2014⁠  Aashish Murali⁠ 13,409 Views ⁠

Wayne Rooney played up top predominantly or often played off the centre-forward, where he was able to be more expressive with fewer defensive duties. His productivity was decent enough if not exceptional, he managed to average 0.63 goals every 90 minutes – his set pieces were up a notch and he was also able to rack up a good number of assists – averaging 0.37 assists per 90 minutes, which is well above what Falcao managed at Atletico.  Shading the aerial goals per 90 minutes statistic with an average of 0.11 per 90, Rooney has managed to win fewer aerial duels than his counterparts.

Rooney certainly is more equipped than the other two when it comes to shooting from distance and getting something out of it, has managed to score more goals from outside the box than the other two, comfortably.

EPLindex analysis.

hensben: read my comment again(try to comprehend words very well before 'liping'), i said 'rooney doesnt have shot anymore ', his shots are predictable therefore,defenders always block it unlike before.

But he still scores more goals from withdrawn position than RVP. Against QPR he scored from outside the box.

Our games have been difficult, hence everyone couldn't find space to shoot, but he still beats RVP, and I read he's the best in EPL from scoring from distance.

In 2011/12 Rooney scored more from far. RVP were from very close range. In 2012/13 Rooney scored only 12 goals and he was still said to have high return from far as compared to other EPL strikers.

hensben: @emboldened, LIES!!! SAF benched him most of the game, he was been sub. on most times...so you dont even know football flair, i am not sure if you have played football before, if not, you ought to know cr7 and most especially de lima ronaldo have flair in abundance.

Apart from Madrid which SAF explained why, mention any other game. Hope you are aware Rooney took time off towards the tail end of 2012/13 season after he played the Villa game which won us the title?

* What flair does Mata exhibit? Nil. Someone who cannot dribble an opponent. A 25 years old cannot dribble shame. 25 years old cannot run. Just depending on safe passes.

I don't even think hensben watch our matches sef. When has Mata performed as Rooney did yesterday, in terms of flair?

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coogar: in the last 18 months, rooney's shots don't travel further than 2 yards. they all get blocked cos he's too daft - he makes it too obvious he wants to shoot & the markers just throw a leg or their backs to block his shot.

Rooney has more goals from distance than RVP.

In the last 5 years, Rooney has more goals from outside the box than any striker in the EPL.

hensben: read my comment again,did you see were i typed strength is not needed in football?football strength goes with effectiveness with the football, flair, agility,technique, positioning, et al, these guys you name above have things in common; agility n flair/pace which make them great in the world of football...rooney is average in technique, flair, pace n effectiveness/ball awareness,dispossess short pass almost every time, he is only good(not excellence) at work rate(running around like headless chicken), he doesnt even play shot anymore.You think SAF is stupid to drop rooney in his last season for man utd huh!.

That's your judgment.

SAF never dropped Rooney. He only benched him in one match.

So what flair does Ronaldo and Di Lima have other than pace and shooting accuracy?

You said Rooney doesn't play shot. Does RVP play shots? Rooney used his left foot to take good two shots against Leicester but they were blocked. He has most goals from outside the box almost every season. Do you watch football sef?

hensben: yeah i understand you, rooney is average but since he is been made god in man utd, he receives huge weekly salary and also name the club captain so you dont expect the coach to drop him thats what made me to type those words, form of an alternative...Rooney cant play no 10 but man utd fans will be like he works hard for the team. Football is not all about strength and running around, its about been effective with the ball, techniques and positioning. If football is all about strength africans would have been winning world cup every 4 years and lasana diarra would have been the best midfielder in the world.

World greatest footballers ever have played with pace and power.
Pele
Maradona
Ronaldo
Messi
Di Lima

The best footballers ever have played with power:

Di Lima
Messi
Ronaldo
Pele
Maradona
Jair
Robben
Mascherno
Di Maria
Ribery
Staam

coogar: when you get home tonight, ask your wife to boil plenty of water to pacify the body blows & the haymakers i have thrown at your face.

if you are not convinced rooney is useless to the diamond formation after the statistical evidence that says so then there's no point taking this any further.

just stay out of my way when i criticise rooney. do not quote me & then tell me you don't want to argue pages. wayne rooney is not your name so when i fire shots at rooney, don't use that as a flimsy excuse to quote me.

have a nice day!

It will take you.5 days to recover from the super volcano that erupted on you today.

I empathize with you. Recover quickly.

elampiro: You have just destroyed yourself.

* Mata makes 52 passes from the hole. Rooney made 71

* Mata % forward pass from the hole is 22%. 78% are back/side passes.

* Mata makes only 48 successful pass from the hole, Rooney made 59 successful passes yesterday.

* Key passes: Mata has one per match. Rooney made 2 key passes yesterday.

* Rooney has more percentage forward passes than Mata in the hole.

* Rooney has one assist per match from the hole.






The only good thing for you here is Mata's goals and his pass accuracy. Rooney beast him in all the other dozen stats.









How market?

This is Rooney's report card from the hole. Anything else you gat to say is useless. Rooney is not a defender to have prevented those goals. The match was a difficult away fixture yet we could have won 6-1 so easily.

coogar: what has evans gotta do with it? we are talking about creativity, you are talking about evans. why don't you blame vidic's absence for the loss then?



because rooney was ahead of di maria - what's the point discussing rooney's backward passes to di maria? we are interested in the supply rooney gave to the strikers ahead of him & he failed woefully.

rooney in 90 mins gave no pass to RVP & made only 2 passes to falcao.

do you want to know how many passes mata gave to the strikers ahead of him against QPR? he played only 67 mins & he made 7 passes(more than thrice what rooney made).

that's what we need - not the useless rooney.

* You mean Mata gave 7 useless passes? Rooney gave an assist and got his second hit the bar via Falcao.

* Evans was our leader at the back and plays the ball out of the defence better. With him we were more organized at the back, bar the goal. We could never had conceded 3 goals with Evans playing 90 mins. Had RVp not misfiring it could have been 6-1.

Rooney did outstandingly well.

coogar: maybe you have a problem with words.
let's take it to arithmetic....

blind + di maria + herrera + mata = win
blind + di maria + herrera + rooney = loss

from the 2 equations, who is the black sheep? if you dunno the answer, ask the kids in your area to spot the difference.

Goal post/line of argument shifted. We shall revisit this soon. Hope you know we lost Evans in defence too?

coogar: stop embarrassing yourself.....
i highlighted the fact that rooney's role in the hole was worthless as he could only pass twice to falcao in 70 mins & none to RVP in 90 mins.

rooney's forward passes? that's like asking if it snows in chibok. it's easier to make the kingdom of heaven than to see rooney making a forward meaningful pass.

his specialty is long range passing to the wing.....stretching the diamond formation & letting opponents exploit the holes in between. SAF already pointed out rooney is a retârd(a slow learner) so it's not surprising he endangers the diamond formation.

Why did you not publish Di Maria along at first? You were hiding the fact Rooney had two key passes as against Mata's usual 1 key pass.

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We all saw the game and the stats speak for Rooney. Your 'Chelsea Reject' doesn't match it.

I am waiting for the next. RVP's average stats vs Rooney's.

But wait o. You always delete part of the stat don't favour you. Yesterday you deleted Rooney's forward passes like he didn't have any, except to Falcao. Ojoro Coogar.

coogar: you are a dolt!
there's a reason most pundits want rooney out of the team. when mata played in the hole against QPR, we won 4-0 convincingly with the new players. when rooney played in the hole against leicester, we lost woefully, 3-5 with the new players.

there's no hiding place any longer. before now, the scapegoats were nani, young, cleverley, anderson & fellaini. rooney has been fully exposed, his mediocrity has been laid barë. even the media that used to protect english players are now speaking out that rooney is the black sheep in the team.




mata has killed rooney in every statistic measured. football is fluid - a player's position should not affect passing accuracy, forward passes, key passes, created chances, etc. what's rooney's excuse for this woeful performance?

since you are a rooney-lover, kindly check if he's not suffering from hernia.

Mr Tortoise has now tortoised himself. Now Mr. Tortoise wants to change the line of argument. Don't worry very soon we shall visit this your line of argument. But for now cover up yourself with some clothes. Children are watching in the market square.

coogar: this has to be some sort of foolishness.....
that's the statistic of both players for united this season. mata destroyed rooney in every parameter measured.

you must have zero knowledge about statistics to be comparing rooney's one game(small sample size) to mata's 5-game period. everywhere you look, mata is rooney's father in midfield roles.

wayne rooney is finished!!!!

Coogar You have failed woefully. You 'checkmated' yourself. Why has thy decided to dance naked in the market square?

That comparison up there is Rooney average in the hole vs Mata's average in the hole.



* You may wish to do a separate comparison of Rooney vs RVP stats in the striking position. Attacking stats and midfield stats aren't the same. Like for likes, aples and oranges.

Double post.

coogar: buhahahaha - even a termite knows mata has outperformed rooney in the hole. in every meaningful statistic measured for the player in the hole, mata beat rooney hands down.

see for yourself......total forward passing, successful passes, error leading to goal, average pass length, key passes, chance created, etc. even if you are deluded, the media & statistics aren't.

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You have just destroyed yourself.

* Mata makes 52 passes from the hole. Rooney made 71

* Mata % forward pass from the hole is 22%. 78% are back/side passes.

* Mata makes only 48 successful pass from the hole, Rooney made 59 successful passes yesterday.

* Key passes: Mata has one per match. Rooney made 2 key passes yesterday.

* Rooney has more percentage forward passes than Mata in the hole.

* Rooney has one assist per match from the hole.






The only good thing for you here is Mata's goals and his pass accuracy. Rooney beast him in all the other dozen stats.









How market?

Fussbot: Seriously?nobody is complaining about de gea?

Any ball that goes towards him is a goal!smh

For what? When Rooney should have parked the bus from 1st minute? A reasonable captain should have parked the bus to earn a point with a 0-0 score.



Since Olympiokos game, DDG has not made a great save. I have never seen him stopped a penalty. May be Rooney is affecting him.


Blame Rooney for all United failings for he earns £300k. Sentiments everywhere.

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Everything you have said about Mata, the only thing you can defend is his two goals.

You are yet to defend his supposed plenty chances created.
You yet to defend his forward passes to strikers vis-à-vis to midfielders and defenders.

Yesterday RVP was passing long balls backward. Mata got bullied off a ball like an indomie Japanese kid. I couldn't even see him in the game.

BinghiNya: Rafael won't mature in 10 years time, RVP is a waste, offers little, the writer article is a joke, mata was badged off the ball like a kid, lose van joke is a real joke with his comical set up, united should bounce back but the defense line plays too close to the centre , united's worst performance in years

You know when those medegegfede write ups, from jealous broke English journalists who can't forgive fate that a 28 years old is one of the highest earners in the country while they can't pay off their little mortgage.

Anyone criticizing Rooney's performance in h hole based on yesterday's game must be high . With a bit of luck we could have scored 6 goals before the Rafael's fiasco. Rooney dictated the play well. He was fast when he needed to, and slow when he needed to. He drove the ball through the middle with ease.

Any way no need for all these. Mata will soon be find out. The physical teams are coming.

Mata caused us a goal and a red card. He has never done well against a physical team.


And big games too.

coogar: they would soon say this was also a witch-hunt. didn't i mention this yesterday about rooney's stüpidity? blaming his own teammate for his own error? leader indeed!!!

LVG's only mistake this season was trusting a failed english player with united's captaincy. even fergie in his illustrious career never really trusted an english player as his captain.



keep wallowing in your delusion.....
everyone can now see you are a fraud - after accusing me of witch-hunting rooney, the whole world can now see you are the one suffering from the pink eye.....

opta came out with their verdict that rooney was the poorest player in the front 6. 2 journos also back up the claim with observations opta cannot quantify. rooney was lethargic, visionless and useless to the team.

his marriage with LVG would soon be over. LVG will have to save his own neck soon by dumping rooney to the pits where he belongs. how can rooney in the whole 90 mins play only 2 passes to falcao & none to RVP? no single pass to RVP!!!

so in almost 72 mins, rooney only passed to the strikers ahead of him twice? RVP as a striker created equal number of chances as rooney in the hole so what exactly is rooney's role? useless as a striker, worthless as a trequartista

That's is a nonsense article. If it's about articles and ratings, we can easily get millions from the net on players we want to rubbish:
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Robin van Persie: RvP definitely doesn’t look like his usual self. van Persie seems to be struggling for form and although he scored a lovely header, he offered little else. That’s partly Robin van Persie’s problem, when he’s not scoring he’s offering little in the way of assists and defensive work. Rooney and Falcao both showed that they’re not afraid to get stuck in and drop deep to pick up the ball and contribute defensively, but RvP didn’t. I think Falcao and Rooney up top with Mata behind is a much better option for United than Robin van Persie and Falcao up top with Rooney behind.  

Fresh Man United.com

coogar: they would soon say this was also a witch-hunt. didn't i mention this yesterday about rooney's stüpidity? blaming his own teammate for his own error? leader indeed!!!

LVG's only mistake this season was trusting a failed english player with united's captaincy. even fergie in his illustrious career never really trusted an english player as his captain.



keep wallowing in your delusion.....
everyone can now see you are a fraud - after accusing me of witch-hunting rooney, the whole world can now see you are the one suffering from the pink eye.....

opta came out with their verdict that rooney was the poorest player in the front 6. 2 journos also back up the claim with observations opta cannot quantify. rooney was lethargic, visionless and useless to the team.

his marriage with LVG would soon be over. LVG will have to save his own neck soon by dumping rooney to the pits where he belongs. how can rooney in the whole 90 mins play only 2 passes to falcao & none to RVP? no single pass to RVP!!!

so in almost 72 mins, rooney only passed to the strikers ahead of him twice? RVP as a striker created equal number of chances as rooney in the hole so what exactly is rooney's role? useless as a striker, worthless as a trequartista

If it's about articles and ratings, we can easily get millions from the net on players we want to rubbish:


Robin van Persie: RvP definitely doesn’t look like his usual self. van Persie seems to be struggling for form and although he scored a lovely header, he offered little else. That’s partly Robin van Persie’s problem, when he’s not scoring he’s offering little in the way of assists and defensive work. Rooney and Falcao both showed that they’re not afraid to get stuck in and drop deep to pick up the ball and contribute defensively, but RvP didn’t. I think Falcao and Rooney up top with Mata behind is a much better option for United than Robin van Persie and Falcao up top with Rooney behind.  

Fresh Man United.com

chrisley024: Well, I didn't expect you to agree with anything he said and the write-up was on Gerrard and Rooney and their poor captaincy.

Na today Gerald be captain? It's just scapgoating things. Some type nonsense when they are annoyed.


Neville:

Gary Neville has given a scathing assessment of Manchester United's 'soft centre' and suggests they were 'bullied' by Leicester City in the 5-3 defeat at the King Power Stadium.

Gary Neville believes weaknesses in the midfield three and the back four were highlighted at Leicester.

"There's no doubt Manchester United are soft-centred, they're not tough enough. Going forward they're a lot better than they have been in the last 12-18 months and that's a positive.

"But in the first half, every ball that got played forward from distance, a Leicester player won it, whether it was the first ball or the second ball.

In the second half, a decision goes against them but make no mistake about it they're soft-centred. I thought the midfield three for United and the back four got bullied."

[Source: London Evening Standard]

chrisley024: My problem with Rooney yesterday was his shouting at the defence(to Blackett in particular) at 3-3. That doesn't show leadership.

See how this write-up puts it:

This writer's spitting rubbish about a game we all saw. Blackett had made two tackles in the first half that I old my friend if he had missed the ball it should have been red card. Rooney is a new leader and the coach will correct anything he feels is wrong. If the defenders that done their part well, Rooney wouldn't be clearing in the box twice from open play. And a miscue clearance doesn't mean the load of denders in the box should relax.

The writer is one of those guys who are jealous of Rooney's wages and popularity. You can see he was biased in his overall assessment, apart from the goal incidence.

Our attacking through the middle was better yesterday than against QPR, despite Leicester playing like it was a rugby game.

Our attacking through the middle was 29%, our season average has been 26%.

For the first we attacked most from the left.

coogar: no one is talking about kagawa here, you have lied to us that rooney gave an outstanding performance yesterday but opta disagrees with you. rooney was the lowest rated in the front 6.



mata has played in that position a couple of times this season, what was his rating? go on your favourite site and scoop it out.

time after time after time, i keep showing you up as a football novice. even if coogar is lying about his assessment, was opta lying too? a whole £300k/week player getting outperformed by herrera & blind.

shame on rooney!!!!



mata recording 6.3 & 6.4 with 2 world class strikers ahead of him? stop lying, abeg....if mata had falcao & RVP ahead of him, he would create 12 key passes.

rooney failed last night contrary to your assertion. opta has proved me right. it doesn't even matter what mata has done in the past - the single most important fact is - rooney was our poorest forward last night of all the starting players.

* Rooney did well to have rated 6.4 with an 'E' tagged on him. Players with error leading to a goal tagged on them most often end up with 5. ratings. And Rooney got a yellow too which got about 0.5 off his rating again. Rooney is a football guru. Our undisputable best forward in the last two matches.

* lol. I thought you said no man United player has ever rated below 6.5 from the hole. No wyou shift goal post. So you think RVP is a world class striker ATM? If he had scored those chances to help us with an away victory, everyone would have recorded above 8. rating on whoscored.

* RVP is a waste of space.
Rooney touches of the ball = 90 times. 3rd behind Herrera and Rojo.
RVP played 90 mins and touched the ball only 39 times, he was only above DDG who touched 32 times. Falcao who played 72 mins touched more than RVP.

* RVP had only 28 passes and still recorded 82% pass accuracy. Rooney had 71 passes and recorded 83% pass accuracy. Rooney had only 7 long balls and 4 were accurate. Now he is the master of short passes.

Rooney 2 interceptions, 2 tackles. RVP 0 tackles, 0 interceptions. Falcao, 1 interception. Rooney one effective clearance, RVP hil.





In a very inetrractive game, RVP was hiding.










Ukwu!!!

Coogar were you when Mata had been recording 6.3, 6.4 etc?

coogar: rooney in the hole yesterday.....

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of all the players that started in the front 5, rooney was the worst player....wayne rooney is the most useless player in the squad as we speak. we shoulda sold him to chelsea!

6.4 from opta has to be the poorest any united player in the hole has recorded in the history of the club.

Where were you when Kagawa was recording 5.8 last season even without being marked with errors and yellow card?


Rooney perfomance from the hole yesterday is the best we have seen so far.

Rafael is 5.9. Valencia has never recorded below 6 in the number 2. Rafael must be the worst number in Man United.

If you ask me, I would say Man United should forget hoping on young players. Only extremely talented youths that should be given opportunities. Not more than one at a time.

How many young players can break into Barca, Madrid, City and Chelsea? These young guys will always make costly mistakes. See how long we have been waiting for Phil Jones, Smalling, Cleverley to come up. But they always get injured and start all afresh. We should be going for established players. Players like Januzaj and Blackett should come up slowly into an already solidified team. If you play Iheanacho in Man City vs Leicester, he won't drag them down because of the ten other men surrounding him.

But I trust Gaal to learn from this season. He might be forced to go to woodward for a player in January. I think only Jones and Rafael and I trust for now. Shaw will most likely be strong. And injury must come in.

I will still want to give Rojo a chance. He needs to seat back more and the back four should play closely, not loosely.

chrisley024: Lesson for him. He will keep learning.

He should also borrow a leaf from SAF in talking against officials whenever wrong decisions go against him. He even refused to say anything about it in his post-match talk. Fergie would've blamed only Clatten for yesterday's loss. Same way he spoke against Clatten's poor officiatings against United before the game at Stamford and in trying not to be vindicated, we know the rest.

We've had games our penalty appeals have been waved aside and we saw that against Rafael. Maybe cos he has said nothing on previous appeals. He should start talking to keep the officials on their toes.

We could have won two matches out of our first three if not for poor decisions from the referee. Young ought to have won two penalties already. Then a certain hand ball prevented one of our goals from going in then.

Man United should document these things and do a private letter to the Premier League governing body.