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dopeJemi: The knee surgery will prompt RVP to watch from the sideline

So what does this mean?

RVP needing a knee surgery may have prompted the move for Falcao.

If Falcao comes to Man United, then one of Rooney and RVP will have to leave to some where they can retire in peace.

Before I leave.


Arsenal dropped points today. EPL!

coogar: 4 defenders
3 midfielders
3 forwards

That chart can be argued in many directions.



Logging out. I am going somewhere I don't want to use phone at all.

coogar: this is a lame excuse. use your eyes
look at walcott & arshavin, were they levelled with rosicky? how's it 4-2-3-1? if you are willing to put rosicky in the same band as walcott & arshavin, why are you reluctant to put rosicky in the same band with ramsey & coquelin?

Using ones eyes to determine this. Very obvious, Rosicjy is closer to Walcott and Ashavin.

coogar: explain this then.....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1667314_image_jpeg9f360c5ab7736510df54c882e9dbf188

that's the man utd 8-2 arsenal game.

I have to watch the match again before I can explain or determine the actual formation.

Last season, you would think Rooney played in the midfeld against Liverpool because we were struggling. Same as Mata against Stoke. But they played in the number 10.

coogar: elampiro - stop disgracing yourself!
RVP functioned in arsenal's 4-3-3. there are 2 basic variants of the traditional 4-3-3(offensive & defensive).

in the offensive type, only one player sits in the midfield & the other 2 are ahead. in the defensive type, 2 players sit in the midfield & one is at the tip of the triangle(operating in the hole).

the latter was what RVP functioned in & he did it well. you keep quoting whoscored as if they represent the only gospel - wenger confirmed 4-3-3. i cited mourinho's 4-3-3 with lampard behind drogba. what else do you want?

Forget that thing. It was 4-2-3-1. When there is a man in the hole, it never can be 4-3-3 again.

In 4-3-3, one of the midfielders may play a little higher, but never in what can be said to be a hole. Once there's a hole function, it's no longer 4-3-3.

coogar: then again, our forwards lacked intelligence yesterday. when we broke, they ran way too forward at the same time instead of one of them to hold & be the link. mata was at fault here - same as valencia!

This is what I said yesterday. We have too many men ahead of the ball. It happened in the first match too and many times last season. Rooney and Van Persie were also at fault. Their runs were inviting long balls. Just look at this picture.

If we sat deep and played on the counter, we would at least be on 5 pints now. What will happen if the two strikers don't get supply? More bodies walking the ball forward and with strategy to regroup as soon as it is lost.

May be Gaal truly has a fault because he doesn't like that deep play. Hope he doesnt learn too late.

Nihilist.

Arsenal in 4-3-3. Whoscored Only the best performing player for each position is displayed
2010/11 == Walcott-Chamakh-Arshavin

2009/10 best three forwards in 4-3-3
Walcott- Bendtner- Ashavin

2012/13 4-3-3 not used at all.

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My argument stands. RVP wouldn't do well in a 4-3-3. Whoscored just corroborated me. I didn't know whoscored even captured it this way. I jut knew hyenas can't be good in a 4-3-3.

Nihilist: You are confusing yourself...

Elampiro you have already admitted that Arsenal played 433 which is in line with what Arsene Wenger already said...

I want to assume you don't understand the argument.

How many times did Arsenal used it visavis 4-2-3-1? How many of the times did RVP feature in 4-3-3? You will see that he was not the most used among the three forwards. He didn't appear in the 4-3-3 charts in all the seasons. So how is RVP good at that formation? In 2011/12, Arsenal used only 4-2-3-1 in all 38 matches.

Nihilist: Arsene said he played 4-3-3
RVP said he played 4-3-3
Now in your own post you admit that RVP played in a 4-3-3



Elampiro what is your argument?

Please note that 4-2-3-1 was used 28 times. 4-3-3 was used only three times (without RVP listed in the chart).

You may confirm from whoscored.com In 2011/12 , 4-2-3-1 was used 38 times.


-The argument is that is about RVP being a specialist in the formation, not that Arsenal has never played it at all. You will see that RVP doesn't appear in the whocored chart when 4-3-3 was used.

Nihilist: Arsene said he played 4-3-3
RVP said he played 4-3-3
Now in your own post you admit that RVP played in a 4-3-3



Elampiro what is your argument?

Look at the post very well.

They played 4=3-3 in a few matches to accommodate Carzola. Then they switched back to 4-2-3-1 since three years now. But the writer said they never really played 4-3-3.

Daley Blind in Manchester this morning.

BREAKING NEWS
United and Madrid are in talks about the transfer of Chicharito for €20m.

Chicharito Hernandez has agreed to join and BBC report he's already boarded the plane.

[Source: El Confidencial, @richaskem, @jfelixdiaz]

The little Japanese.

Some might say we played 4-4-2 for a good number of years, then switched to 4-3-3 to accommodate a certain Spaniard before switching to the very popular 4-2-3-1 in the last three years and finally settle to the current 4-1-2-2-1.

I say that we’ve always played 4-2-3-1 instead.

I might have missed something but I can’t remember us playing a proper 4-4-2 as Dennis Bergkamp has always been more of a attacking midfielder then a striker; at the same time, Robert Pirès wasn’t a real winger but more a player who loved to drift inside instead of going by the touchline and throw crosses to the box – as wingers love to do most of the time.

We could say we already played 4-2-3-1 almost ten years before anyone else attempted that.

When that young Catalan fellow stepped into the team and started to made a name for himself, Arsène Wenger found a way to exploit his skills even more and put him higher on the pitch, close the main striker: again, with Nicklas Bendtner (!) on one wing and Andrey Arshavin on the other, Arsenal were playing the 4-2-3-1 formation – just adapted to players’ qualities.

Pundits started to call it a 4-3-3 just because those playing on the wings were supposed to be strikers but both TGSTEL and McRussia were asked to drop deep when defending. Something a striker won’t do. They didn’t, neither of them, but that’s another story…

Then Santi Cazorla came in and took the #10 spot. He did it brilliantly; he did so well to be named Player of the Year by fans, however Arsène Wenger brought in another number 10 in Mesut Özil, who didn’t replace Santi Cazorla but just move the diminutive Spaniard to the left: does it make Santi Cazorla a winger? No, it doesn’t.
http://www.gunnerstown.com/arsenal/2014/08/20/arsene-wenger-considering-a-change-in-formation-to-accommodate-new-arsenal-signings/


Corroborating whoscored.com

MrTA: Well that's partly what I mean. By Elampiro's assertion, No one plays 433 ever since no one starts with 3 strikers, 3 central midfielders and 4 defenders.

Don't mind them. They know what the argument is about. I expect RVP's fans to rally round themselves.

I have dazed them badly today.

From yesterday

MOTM. Phil Jones
Man United had 6 key passes from six different players. Phil Jones, our central defender, created one. Mata the AM recorded nil. Late substitutes, Welbeck and Ando recorded one each. .........Jones recorded 94% pass accuracy. One blocked shot.

Through balls. Only two for Man United, by Di Maria. One of them was accurate.

debosky: Lone striker RVP = 4-3-3 at Arsenal since he played with two wingers beside him.

Did ZM say Arsenal didn't play 4-3-3?

Where is the everything confirming whoscored? Two interviews by the coach himself saying he played 4-3-3, but you'd rather rely on some bollocks from elsewhere.

Dem never invent the medicine for your illness.

Go and lick your wounds from bruised body. Kpele.

debosky: If whoscored.com told elampiro that he was from Papua New Guinea he would believe it over what his parents say.

Ukwu!!!

How come everything else out there is confirming what's on whoscored. Do you man what it means for whoscored to record 38/38 in same formation? And the corroborated by another most popular tactic board, ZM? And report says RVP played as a lone striker with Rosicky behind him. Then fans confirmed in their writings?

Pls Pls.

Dhellake: Barca plays. 4-3-3 and iniesta plays as an AM

O boy how? You mean Iniester played directly behind Messi? Which season?

n0m0705: "@ManUnitedWorld: Javier Hernandez has agreed to join Real Madrid and will complete his move tomorrow. [el confidencial] #MUFC"

Could this be true?

Hope we would ask from 25 million pounds? Imagine Kagawa 8 million.


Man United is now Father Christmas.

Pickin wey dem beat dem no say make e no cry. Ntor!

Drogba ko Lampard ni.

Now someone says there is a 'hole' in a 4-3-3 formation. Illiteracy is a disease.

Arsenal 2011/12, Whoscored even recorded 4-2-3-1 in 38 matches.

2010/11 they used it 28 times. 4-3-3 was used only three times with RVP not appearing as one of the highest/best in that system. The other formation which was 4-5-1, RVP was missing from the highest used players.

2009/10, Arsenal used 4-3-3 thirteen times and RVP was missing from those who were mostly used. RVP only appeared in formation where a lone man was played as a striker.



Submission,

RVP is a true hyena. He is only used when there is need to play him as a sole striker. May be Gaal is making a mistake to play two man CFs. RVP doesn't know anything about 4-3-3. He might also struggle in a 4-5-1 where the striker has to be a false nine. He can't build from the midfield. He doesn't have the brain.

Make I go Isewu joint jare.

diggz: ElampsBaba how you use get 3years from 2012 ? Jesuuuuuuuuu...! Guy Abeg Debo don own u already kindly giv da fcccccuk UP

That is computer generated timing rounded up to the nearest years. That report was when Henry returned to Arsenal- February 2012.




Ayagayagayagayo

debosky: I give up - even if I brought Arsene and RVP and they swear that they played 4-3-3, elampiro will not accept. The 'hole(s) in his brain are just too big.

by Joss Bennett 3 years ago (February 2012)

After battering Blackburn 7-1 last weekend, Arsene Wenger – perhaps unsurprisingly – chose to select a largely unchanged line-up for the crunch game against high-flying Sunderland, bar the inclusion of Bacary Sagna at right-back. As such, Aaron Ramsey started on the bench, with Tomas Rosicky given the nod in the hole between Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on the wings. Despite playing 90 minutes in all of the last 10 Premier League matches, Robin van Persie continued in the lone striker role, with Thierry Henry the only striker on the bench.

http://www.arsenalreport.com/jossbennett/sunderland-1-2-arsenal-wengers-subs-win-game-as-the-king-waves-goodbye/


You can never kill the truth. It MUST find a way to 'emancipate'.








ayagayagayagayo hey ayagayagayagayo.

elampiro: by Joss Bennett 3 years ago (February 2012)

After battering Blackburn 7-1 last weekend, Arsene Wenger – perhaps unsurprisingly – chose to select a largely unchanged line-up for the crunch game against high-flying Sunderland, bar the inclusion of Bacary Sagna at right-back. As such, Aaron Ramsey started on the bench, with Tomas Rosicky given the nod in the hole between Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on the wings. Despite playing 90 minutes in all of the last 10 Premier League matches, Robin van Persie continued in the lone striker role, with Thierry Henry the only striker on the bench.

http://www.arsenalreport.com/jossbennett/sunderland-1-2-arsenal-wengers-subs-win-game-as-the-king-waves-goodbye/

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Arsenal didn't play 4-3-3 during RVP's era. They always use a 'hole' player. Go back to your matches and see.

Debosky, can't you see? Na wao! This was 5 months after Wenger's statement.












Ayagayagayagayo hei, ayagayagayagoyo. Say dem elampiro dem ma want, elampiro has won it. elampiro is the king, elampiro is the champion. I tell you he has the message from Jah.....






Wahat a resounding victory.

debosky: Maybe you have comprehension issues - Arsenal played 4-3-3 with RVP end of story. If you want to make an imaginary argument about someone playing in the hole, that's your problem.

We're talking about a time RVP played at Arsenal and Elampiro goes to bring an article with Olivier Giroud. Confuzzled human being.

Now Wilshere plays in the holes - no be only one hole again sef.

by Joss Bennett 3 years ago (February 2012)

After battering Blackburn 7-1 last weekend, Arsene Wenger – perhaps unsurprisingly – chose to select a largely unchanged line-up for the crunch game against high-flying Sunderland, bar the inclusion of Bacary Sagna at right-back. As such, Aaron Ramsey started on the bench, with Tomas Rosicky given the nod in the hole between Theo Walcott and Alex Oxlade-Chamberlain on the wings. Despite playing 90 minutes in all of the last 10 Premier League matches, Robin van Persie continued in the lone striker role, with Thierry Henry the only striker on the bench.

http://www.arsenalreport.com/jossbennett/sunderland-1-2-arsenal-wengers-subs-win-game-as-the-king-waves-goodbye/

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Arsenal didn't play 4-3-3 during RVP's era. They always use a 'hole' player. Go back to your matches and see.

As far as Arsenal plays someone in the hole, it's not a 4-3-3 in modern formation.

Wenger Twitter Q&A: Boss On Wilshere, Messi or Ronaldo & ‘Joker’ Bendtner

By mac14 on November 12, 2013

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Arsene Wenger took part in a Twitter question and answer session with fans this afternoon, using the hashtag #AskArsene.

Among the things the boss responded to was what Jack Wilshere’s best position is, to which Wenger says is a ‘deep-lying midfielder’. This is interesting as he has previously indicated he could see Jack playing in the ‘hole’ behind the striker one day and has tested him out in that role several times. The suggestion that Wilshere’s future lay further up the pitch was  enhanced even more when he was giving the No.10 shirt, but it seems Wenger see’s him in a deeper role now.
http://www.arsenalstation.com/2013/11/12/wenger-twitter-qa-boss-on-wilshere-messi-or-ronaldo-joker-bendtner/

debosky: How do you know Wenger was talking about 4-4-2 when 'coaches don't pay attention to details in terms of formation'?

You just keep making more and more daft statements. Wenger's reason for not playing 4-4-2 is because 4-3-3 worked better for RVP and Fabregas.

http://www.arsenal.com/news/news-archive/wenger-i-did-not-copy-4-3-3-from-barca

Another interview where Wenger talks about playing 4-3-3, but elampiro will tell you Wenger doesn't pay attention to formation details. All in an attempt to justify a ridiculously daft assertion that RVP has never played 4-3-3 in his life.

I have confirmed from many Arsenal fans arguments and analysis that you guys play someone in the hole.

Like this:
Today once again we lacked a player consistently in the hole. Olivier Giroud is a target man who likes to occupy the two centerbacks with is strength, aerial ability, and movement. And to be at his best, he needs a player in the hole to support him. This position is normally occupied by Santi Cazorla, however, teams have picked up on his weakness which is his size. This means that many are just man marking him and being physical so he can’t influence the game. As a result, he looks for space laterally in the channels expecting that a wide player or another midfield player will move into the space he has created by moving wide.
http://www.arsenalreport.com/b-fish/aston-villa-0-0-arsenal-interesting-tact-haha-just-kidding-it-was-awful/
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Wilshere also plays in the holes. Fabregas had played there too.