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Purist: If you read the report, you'll see that they included details of the other guys you listed here as well. For instance, Madrid overpaid for Rodriguez too. Barca actually underpaid for Suarez. Chelsea underpaid for Fabregas, etc. CIES calculate using variables like age, contract length, goals, points per match, etc.

You can calculate yourself using their online tool: http://www.football-observatory.com/The-CIES-Football-Observatory-transfer-value

Age, contract length, goals, points per match. Are you kidding me?

Is this not rubbish of the highest order?

coogar: it's not a journalist report - it's a research made by CIES in switzerland.

I saw something like that, I think yesterday or day before, I refused to read the details.

How did they arrive at that? So what did they calculate for Rodriguez, Bale, Fabregas, Suarez. It will be interesting to know. Even Robben, it will be nice to see their estimate.

coogar: then you shouldn't be chest-beating on an issue that you completely misconstrued. we have signed quality players - that's the end of the matter.

At your level you want to believe a certain report that we overpaid for Di Maria by £24m?

Same way someone showed me how we overpaid for Mata, Fellaini and Blind. He said Fellaini true value was £16m. Mata's value was £25m. He brought a chart to support his claim, and in the Chart, Rooney was closed to £60m.

How ridiculous!

^^^
I no get ur time.

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Rumours: Juventus are getting ready to sign Mata in January.

* Hope they can gather minimum of £30m?

igbsam: The guy saw what we the fans didn't see.....That makes him the man for the job. Van Gaal just impressed me. But him for go for De Jong na. Anyway, Shaw is fit and hope he is back in time to play for us.

Now Gaal getting all the credits. When it's negative, it has to be Woodworm who failed. Lol

It's interesting to see everyone already appreciating the abilities of Di Maria within a short time. Few pages back I was being flogged for stating he should be a priority signing. Some said he was not what we needed. Others said he won't get a place in 3-5-2 (where will he play?). Others said Ashley Young will bench him. But I was convinced of his abilities based on what I saw him play for Madrid over the last few years. At a time I was accused of being obsessed about him.

At some point, just as it's the usual style to ridicule big players and bring them down, some said Di Maria wasn't worth above £35m, while they also said Ashley Young was better than him. This was the same way they argued Robben wouldn't cost more than £20m or so.

Today, no matter the formation, whether 3-5-2, every pundit here is putting Di Maria in all of them ahead of all the forwards. How time flies.

The other thing has to do with decisions reached by management at Old Trafford. Someone said we should have gone for Vidal first, but I said these targets were independents of each other. Many people here always want to sound more intelligent than the professionals and authorities at Old Trafford. Now it is emerging that Vidal's chronic knee worry lingers on. Transfer market is not as we see it, a lot of calculations and technicalities are involved, plenty of Chess plays. We have to trust they know what they are doing because it's their job and they are professionals. It's easier said than done.

I am glad that we appeared to have made the best decisions. We will access the situation again in January with the hope of landing Strootman as being speculated.

chrisley024: I just pray our shyte play that's spreading like cancer doesn't rub on him.

They should pls remove him for some rest

You meant our lazy players should not corrupt him.

He and Falcao should bring the best out of the others. That should be Gaal's priority.

afrodoc2: Elampiro this line up can NEVER NEVER NEVER be used. I am not sure i used enough nevers, let me add one more....NEVER.

1) Falcao is a born in the box 9, possibly the best in the last 5years. Nobody is going to allow an unfit,plodding RVP to top strike while playing Falcao on the wings.

2) Playing those 3 strikers in any arrangement and leaving blind,mata and di maria in midfield would ensure we lose control of the midfield against any decent side AND those 3 up front won't get decent service.....sometimes you have to reduce the number of attackers you have in order to improve your attack.

The midfield can dominate. It's akin to midfield of Alonso, Modric and Di Maria at Madrid last season. Th only problem will be winning the ball back. There's where Herrera or Rooney can fill I for Mata.

I would have suggested RVP goes to the wing but he's finished there. And to think that's his natural position. How bad things can be.

chrisley024: Why do people think Falcao is a left-footer?

I read it here. Lol

4-5-1 that takes a 4-1-4-1 shape.



-----------DDG

Rafael--- Jones---Rojo---Shaw

---------Blind

----Mata--------Di Maria

Falcao-----------------Rooney

------------RVP

* Herrera can go in for Mata.

Falco is cuts inward and pass/shoots with his left. Rooney cuts inward and pass/shoots with his right. They can still go behind the defence line. RVP can easily drift wide to give room for one of the four behind him to go direct....

With Falcao, we don't have strikers problem. We should worry less about who starts and who get drops. We can still accommodate all three strikers is we play 4-4-2 or even 4-3-3. But from the four from men (when Mata is added), one player will always get dropped. Anyone not playing well should not play 90 mins except if that player has previously proven to be far ahead of others. From what we have on ground, I can bet Di Maria and Falcao are the sure bankers.

If Mata got unto gear, then one or both Rooney and RVP will end up as squad players as Giggs did for us before. Nothing bad. If Mata can't get into gear, he may have to be sold at the end of the season.

Our worry will be how the defence and midfield will live up, and who gets going fine there?

Front, not a problem again. Gaal saved us so much stress to have bought Falcao. Now we can afford to bring someone from the bench into the forward play and expect a massive boost. Instead of bringing Welbeck and Chicha on, we now know Rooney/RVP/Mata would come on. At least for one year.

Radamel Falcao can fire Manchester United to the Premier League title this season, says Dwight Yorke.

“With the team the manager is building, I believe it is good enough to go and win the Premier League,

“They are playing catch-up at this moment and they need to start getting results now, but if they can do that the confidence will generate and when that builds up you’ve seen what they’ve done in the past. There is no doubt in my mind Manchester United could go on to win the league from here.

“I know a lot of people will be questioning that, saying the new players need time to bed in, but these players are world-class players, not just players trying to fit into the football club. These players are that good that it’s easy to fit into the system of Van Gaal.

“The players Man United now have at their disposal will send alarm bells ringing in the Premier League.”

[Source: Skysports]


* Iol. I love the last sentence. Pls let's Shaw, Rojo and Herrera be ready now so that we cover all our weak areas and blend fast already.

Don't mind Ancelotti, if they really wanted Di Maria to stay, Madrid would pay anything to keep him. The whole world knows that.

“I have my very clear opinion, but I must calculate and I cannot always say what I think because tomorrow I will be on the front of the papers and I do not want that… But if I was in charge, maybe I would not do things like that. Everyone has their opinion and is free to say what they think. If the president thinks that the best thing for the team is to sign these players and let go those who left then we have to respect and support his decision.” CR7.

Sergio Ramos responds to Ronaldo: Too early to jump to conclusions

Sep 2, 2014 18:28:00

The Portugal international appeared to publicly imply that he does not agree with the European champions' decision to sell both Xabi Alonso and Angel Di Maria
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2014/09/02/5079334/sergio-ramos-responds-to-ronaldo-too-early-to-jump-to?ICID=HP_BN_2

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Di Maria: I stayed at Real Madrid for Ronaldo

Sep 2, 2014 09:44:00

The attacking midfielder has revealed that he would have already left the Champions League winners last year had it not been for the Portugal star
http://www.goal.com/en/news/12/spain/2014/09/02/5078118/di-maria-i-stayed-at-real-madrid-for-ronaldo?ICID=AR_RA_3

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Di Maria chased the money to Manchester United - Ancelotti

And Madrid coach Ancelotti has taken a swipe at the winger, who made 52 appearances in all competitions for the club last season.

"Some players love to compete, others prefer to make more money," he told Eurosport.

"If a player needs motivation to play at the best club in the world, I have no problem in letting him go."
http://www.goal.com/en/news/11/transfer-zone/2014/09/01/5076613/di-maria-chased-the-money-to-manchester-united-ancelotti?ICID=AR_RA_3

Manchester United have signed 16-year-old Ajax defender Timothy Fosu-Mensah.
He still requires an international transfer certificate but is expected to be part of Paul McGuinness' academy squad this season

A40: Welbeck better than Sturridge? How? I don't even rate English players but Sturridge is light years better than Welbeck

May be you started watching them recently. In their developemetal days, Welbeck was the better talent.

Former Holland assistant manager Patrick Kluivert believes Daley Blind could be the missing piece of the puzzle at Manchester United.

Blind, who worked under Kluivert during their time together with the Netherlands, has agreed a four-year deal at Old Trafford.

“Daley Blind is a very intelligent player, he reads the game very well, you saw during the World Cup, he played all of the games. He’s the key man between the defence, midfield and strikers. He puts pace on the game.”

“Louis will manage to get a good balance in the team, with such great players in the squad, everyone’s got to under-estimate themselves for the team. That’s the most important thing.

“Louis has got everything sorted out. All he needs is a win and then everything will be OK.”

[Source: Talksport]

PietroRico: Rvp says all rumours of him needing a knee surgery are nonsense

See wahala
How do u play falcao, rooney and rvp in a 433.

* If he doesn't need a surgery then his performance is nothing to rejoice about. He falls down even before he collects a pass, as Kanu use to do in his final days of football.

* We should not use Rooney, Mata and RVP in same match again. Except if Rooney is playing in the wing. Or they have to be given a new orientation. Just look at Robben and Ribery how hard working they are.

montelik: First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke,

* Zaha £35k/week
http://www.theguardian.com/football/2013/jan/23/wilfried-zaha-manchester-united

He was on £15k at Palace before we signed him.

* As for Rio, that's what my research showed me.

montelik: First theses figures are wrong Rio, who was on a one year rolling contract was not on 100k. Zaha on 35k is a joke, also we are contributing to his wages as he is on loan.

then consider the wages we handed out this window, agent fees, not to mention signing bonuses that would have been necessary (no European footy). new bigger contracts for Rooney and RVP , the parachute payment to Moyes, as well as the expected drop in revenue, they will have to do some magic accounting to keep the ratio below 60%.

* Can I see your own figures? I quoted as at last season.

* Let's also have the total of the out salaries vs the ins. We aren't talking about signings. We only are talking about our salary limits because we are being told that Man United will die of paying salaries (I read it from a blog). In a nutshell, how much salary are we paying more than we did as at end of last season?

* As for the signings, did we exceed a net of the budgeted £200m? If not hold your peace.

Darren Fletcher has revealed the constant “mental challenge” of life under new manager Louis van Gaal.

“We have to master it and we have to play better and win individual battles, there are other things that come in to it apart from the system. I’m confident we’ll put things right if we keep believing in ourselves and the manager.

“He has been straight with the players and we appreciate that. It’s mentally challenging but that’s always been the case. It’s mentally challenging playing for a club of this size. The players are well used to that.

“As players learning a new system and developing new ideas, you know it’s going to make you a better player in the long term.

“It’s about training, videos, constant learning and looking over every match. We’re putting a lot of effort in and there has been improvement. You need to think about it more. We get that, but we have always had that. Other managers have spoken about it, too, maybe just not in public.

“Sir Alex Ferguson used to tell us to use our brain, and would use Paul Scholes as an example. So it’s not something we’re averse to. It’s something that isn’t new to us, the new manager has just spoken of it publicly to make us aware of it.”

[Source: Mirror]

BREAKING : Tom Cleverley's one year loan move to Aston Villa from Manchester United has been approved by the Premier League

coogar: RVP is still as good as it gets, his movement to take mata's pass against burnley was top draw. the goalie was lucky to block his shot. he needs time to get past the rustiness. his lack of preseason is why he looks a bit dodgy.



we all saw him at the world cup, he didn't look tired or spent. he scored against spain & brazil. that's as good as it gets. who else does that at his age? RVP's age is a farce - drogba was almost 33 when he won the golden boot for chelsea in 2010.


lest i forget, this is for the folks who think united's wage/turnover ratio would hit 90% this year. this is our ins/outs.....

Manchester United
Players in: Luke Shaw (Southampton, £30m), Ander Herrera (Athletic Bilbao, £28.8m), Vanja Milinkovic (FK Vojvodina, undisclosed). Ángel di María (Real Madrid, £59.7m), Marcos Rojo (Sporting Lisbon, £16m), Daley Blind (Ajax, £14m), Radamel Falcao (Monaco, loan).

Players out: Rio Ferdinand (QPR, free), Nemanja Vidic (Internazionale, free), Ryan Giggs (retired), Alexander Büttner (Dynamo Moscow, £4.4m), Federico Macheda (Cardiff, free), Vanja Milinkovic (FK Vojvodina, loan), Patrice Evra (Juventus, initial £1.2m), Bebé (Benfica, £2.4m), Nani (Sporting Lisbon, loan), Wilfried Zaha (Crystal Palace, loan), Jack Barmby (Leicester, free), Shinji Kagawa (Borussia Dortmund, undisclosed), Javier Hernández (Real Madrid, loan), Danny Welbeck (Arsenal, undisclosed), Tom Lawrence (Leicester, undisclosed).

Salary of players sold or retired this window = £607, 000. Salary of players loaned (excluding Nani) = £85,000.
Total salary of players out is £692,000 excluding Nani.

Players out:
Rio Ferdinand £100,000 retired

Nemanja Vidic £120,000 retired

Ryan Giggs £75,000 retired

Patrice Evra £90,000 sold

Shinji Kagawa £80,000 sold

Danny Welbeck £75,000 sold

Javier Hernández £75,000 loan (sale option next year)

Zaha £35,000 sold

Alexander Büttner £15,000 sold

Federico Macheda £6,000 sold

Bebé £12,000 sold

Tom Lawrence £5,000 sold

Nani £90,000 loan (salary paid by United)

Kean £5000 loan

Powell £5,000 loan
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Anderson £60,000 , Fellaini £75,000 , Young £120,000, are players we can still off load in January to finance midfield buys.

Cleverley request for transfer was submitted pretty late yesterday but before cut off. His salary is £40,000.

Overall, Man United might still offload £255,000 between now and January.


Who said we aren't within our salary limits?

*BREAKING NEWS*
Aston Villa have an agreement with Manchester United to sign Tom Cleverley on loan. The papers were handed into the Premier League before 11pm last night.

If the Premier League agrees the move he will be a Villa player.

Radamel Falcao holding the Manchester United shirt

by Chris David on September 2, 2014

Manchester United have finally sealed a £6m season-long loan signing of Colombian striker Radamel Falcao. The Colombian will earn a reported salary of £190,000 a week which would cost the club at least £16m for one year; United have an option of buying him permanently next season. 

Around 6pm last evening, Falcao arrived at the club’s training ground, where he undertook a medical and discussed personal terms.

“I am delighted Radamel has joined us on loan this season,” United’s manager, Louis van Gaal, told the club’s website.

“He is one of the most prolific goalscorers in the game. His appearance-to-goal ratio speaks for itself and, when a player of this calibre becomes available, it is an opportunity not to be missed.”

The Guardian notes that since the player enjoyed a tax-free salary in Monaco, while United have denied to match his net take-home of £10m a year; it could be possible that Monaco agreed to pay the 50% tax  so that the striker doesn’t suffer any lost earnings. 

His arrival at the Old Trafford saw two strikers, Danny Welbeck (permanent move to Arsenal) and Javier Hernandez (loan move to Real Madrid) departing from Manchester United.

“I am delighted to be joining Manchester United on loan this season,” Falcao said.

“Manchester United is the biggest club in the world and is clearly determined to get back to the top. I am looking forward to working with Louis van Gaal and contributing to the team’s success at this very exciting period in the club’s history.”
http://soccerlens.com/photo-radamel-falcao-manchester-united-shirt/151126/

Odunharry: Radamel Falcao finally sealed a £6m
season-long loan move to Manchester United at 1.30am, in the transfer window’s most eye-catching deal of deadline day, after the club were granted an extension to conclude the move.

With the striker’s salary of £190,000
a week being paid by United the
agreement was set to cost the club at least £16m, with the 20-times
champions having an option to buy
Falcao next summer from Monaco.

I saw this £190k before, but I couldn't understand how possible. Is Falcao taking a pay cut or Monaco will pay part of the salary?

Powell to Liecester on loan.

Good night.

We don do tbhe transfer finish. Hope we can boost the midfield next time.

Earlier tonight:

Daley Blind has tonight been named Eredivisie Player of the Year.

Michael Keane has signed for Burnley on loan.

Tom Lawrence joins Leicester City on 4 year deal from Manchester United.

02/09/2014 01:30, Report by Communications Department
Manchester United sign Falcao on loan

Manchester United is delighted to announce that Radamel Falcao has joined the club on a one-year loan deal from AS Monaco, with an option to buy at the end of the loan period.
Falcao, 28, became a Monaco player in 2013 after very successful periods at Atlético Madrid, where he made 91 appearances, scoring 70 goals and became the first player to score a hat-trick in a single-legged UEFA Super Cup; and formerly at FC Porto, making 87 appearances and scoring 72 goals.

Radamel Falcao said: “I am delighted to be joining Manchester United on loan this season. Manchester United is the biggest club in the world and is clearly determined to get back to the top. I am looking forward to working with Louis van Gaal and contributing to the team’s success at this very exciting period in the club’s history.”

Louis van Gaal said: “I am delighted Radamel has joined us on loan this season. He is one of the most prolific goalscorers in the game. His appearance-to-goal ratio speaks for itself and, when a player of this calibre becomes available, it is an opportunity not to be missed.”

MUFC official.