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BikeMan:
Clearly you see that De Gea was aiming for Calvert-Lewin's initial shot, Maguire confused him, not Sigurdsson.

No, DeGea made an attempt to dive from the VAR review, but hesitated in anticipation of a diversion when the ball hits Sigurdson.

Nevertheless, the rules did not say if the keeper was making a dive or not, but when there is an action obstructing the keeper's decision

Meanwhile Roy Kean
....

Keane believes the right decision was made by the VAR officials but has criticised Sigurdsson for not getting out of the way quicker.

The Irishman does not think De Gea would have saved Calvert-Lewin’s shot if Sigurdsson was not in the way.


“I don’t think [De Gea] would have [saved it], but I do think they got to the right decision, I have to say,” Keane said on Sky Sports.

“I think because sometimes it’s so late in the game and it’s going to be the winning goal people are even a bit more emotional than normal.

“But I’d be annoyed with Sigurdsson for not getting out of the way. He sits there, please tell me what he’s waiting for.

“You’ve got to try and clear the area, that’s just a bit of common sense . I think it’s the right decision.

“Listen, I can see why Everton of course are disappointed but it’s the correct call .

“Why he is waiting? What is he waiting for? Disappointed? But you’ve got to get up and get out of the way, even make an attempt to get back on goal.”
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.express.co.uk/sport/football/1249466/Man-Utd-news-Roy-Keane-Everton-Gylfi-Sigurdsson-disallowed-goal/amp

I scanned the internet. Only one fake Howard Webb gave his opinion in a website where majority of verified posters said it was an offside. Except Howard Webb spoke on TV and has not be relayed yet on internet.

BikeMan:
Ball touch your player before going in and you still call it offside, how? Looks like it's not only medicine you don't know

There was an interference that prevented the ball to be defended by the goalkeeper. The rule is tje rule.

DDG would have dived for it if not for interference.

thorrvik55:
Howard Webb on Everton's disallowed goal:

“ Calvert lewin’s shot appears to go off target therefore it would be seen as an own goal from maguire and should stand”


I guess Howard Webb too no know ball. Na u and elamp sabi ball


Typical GGMUMU fan

Where did Howard Webb say this?

Today;s game was too fast and physical for Mata. I think Lingard would have offered more in a fast and physical contest like this if McTominay must be removed to allow him come into full match fitness.

If we do not use physical players to protect Bruno, we might be having the Di Maria case in our hands. Also, Bailly over Lindelof for now. Bailly exudes so much confidence in the backline and it helps our play from the defence. With Lindelof, it is struggling to cope rather than trying to play. My opinion for now based on few games played by Bailly.

elampiro:
THIS SEASON’S DECISION: Offside.

RILEY SAYS: This is a good example as how the law of interpretation has changed. Last season this was penalised as offside as the Tottenham player didn’t touch the ball but you can see as the cross comes over, the goalkeeper can’t decide whether to commit to diving in front of Costa or dive to try to save the ball. It impacts on his decision making. Costa is close to the ball, makes an attempt to play the ball and he makes an impact on the goalkeeper's decision, so Costa would be penalised for being offside

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9935364/former-referee-dermot-gallagher-backs-offside-rule-change

My last explanation to help those who do not understand the rules. The above is an explanation by the chief of referees.

Richardson was on the way of the ball. Not just close to it but on its way. This caused DDG not to commit to diving for the ball behind Richardson because it was going for a deflection.

Richardson did not only not touch the ball but made a gesture or body movement which further compounded the confusion of the David DeGea.

1. The closeness of Richardson to the ball alone calls for an offside in the new rules.
2. His body was blocking the flow of the ball which could change its trajectory
3. He made a gesture which confused the goalkeeper.

BenNash:
Like I don't understand. Everyone dropping rules like they just started watching football. Na today players wey dey offside position dey dodge ball. Once he's not interfering with the play it's a goal.

And saying Degea could have saved that ball is a pure lie. Someone was even saying Degea knew the ball will hit maguire and was already making the move. Everyone making different excuses to what end?

That I'm a United fan doesn't mean I shouldn't say the truth when I see it.

Bro you are the one sounding like you don't know the rules. That action affected DDG's decision making. Once it is like that, it is an offside

BenNash:
The ball hit maguire and moved In another direction.

Richardson didn't distract Degea in anyway. Rather it was maguire. It was a clean goal. Let's be truthful abeg.

Richardson's action affected DDG's decision. These are settled rules since 2015. How come you guys don't know them? Look at my last post above

Speaking to Sky Sports News HQ at the Premier League launch, Riley said: "Previously a player to be in an offside position and be penalised, they would have to touch the ball or play the ball.


"The IFAB (International Football Association Board) has clarified this. They now say to be considered to be offside the player has to make a clear attempt to play the ball, be close to the ball and have an impact on the opponent, or to make an obvious action to have an impact of the opponent.

THE SCENARIO: A memorable 5-3 win for Spurs but they didn't star very well after conceding an early goal. Eden Hazard's mazy run ended in a shot against a post, with Oscar firing the ball back towards Diego Costa who tapped in the opener.

THIS SEASON’S DECISION: Offside.

RILEY SAYS: This is a good example as how the law of interpretation has changed. Last season this was penalised as offside as the Tottenham player didn’t touch the ball but you can see as the cross comes over, the goalkeeper can’t decide whether to commit to diving in front of Costa or dive to try to save the ball. It impacts on his decision making. Costa is close to the ball, makes an attempt to play the ball and he makes an impact on the goalkeeper's decision, so Costa would be penalised for being offside

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9935364/former-referee-dermot-gallagher-backs-offside-rule-change

The changes to the offside rule explained...

31/07/15
Referee Steven McLean explains how the offside rule will be different next season

With the new season comes another change to the offside rule. We explain what the tweaks are with the help of a referee...

So what is the difference this season to the previous campaign?

Well essentially, if a player has a shot at goal and a team-mate in an offside position makes a play for the ball – even if they do not touch it – the goal will now be disallowed.

Scottish Football Association referee Steven McLean explains it all for us here by talking through the exact amendments to the old rule...

“No, it’s a simple change really to interfering with an opponent."


Can you give a brief explanation of the change in the law?

“When a player makes an obvious action which clearly impacts on his opponent’s ability to play the ball, then he will be penalised as offside.”

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/11095/9930438/the-offside-rule-change-explained-with-the-help-of-a-referee



Larride, see Skysports explanation in 2015 when it was introduced.

larride:
Are you just following football today?

All sane players when they are in an offside position avoid the ball. As long as the ball doesn’t touch them, it’s not an offside offense.

Oga this is not the rule. Haba!!!

A player in an offside position making movements which deceive an opponents ability to save a goal is different from what you described up there. Once you movements causes confusion to the way a defender or goalkeeper would have prevented a goal, it is offside.

Expert17:
Ighalo shud hv even score that chance.......

Matic will surely get a year extension..

Raising of leg is interference, clear offside

Gbam

larride:
The bolded nullify any argument you are putting forth.

Sigurdson leg didn’t touch the ball and it didn’t go to the middle of the goal. Apart from Maguire, nobody else leg touch the ball.

Sigurdson was on the floor so he can’t be said he blocked DDG vision.

Sigurdson is some inches away from DDG and it can’t be said he blocked DDG movement.

Lastly, it was an own goal as Maguire leg changed the direction of the ball.

It was a bad decision that favor us. Finito.

You still do not get it. If he did not dodged the ball, it would have deflected the ball to the middle of the goal. DeGea was going for that ball from the VAR I saw but decided to wait due to a possible deflection

This is clear enough.

Eruditor:
LOL

The image attached and the goal in question are not the same. De Gea was anticipating where Lewin will hit the ball but Maguire deflected it the opposite direction. Siggurdson did not touch the ball which is what the review was for. They saw he did not touch the ball but still stole a neat goal from Everton.

It is just an illustration.
That is the rules. I read the details when it was introduced about 5 years ago and EPL also gave more detail guideline.

The guy on the floor interfere with the decision of the goalkeeper. His body was on the direction of the ball.

larride:
All this one is okoto yarns.

Richarlison was already on the floor when the ball was hit and he clearly avoided the ball by removing his leg. There’s no obstruction from him.

Remove your red tinted glass and watch it again.

If he did not avoid the ball, DeGea would read it well.because it would have deflected to the middle of the goal. And from VAR, I saw DDG wanted to go for the ball, but realizing there could be a deflection, he stood confused awaiting it in the middle

larride:
You know it’s own goal right?

Yes but the player offside must not interfere with the keeper's decision

eph12:
Well unless there's some interpretation of the rule I'm not clear about

He interferred with the goalleeper's decision leading to the goal.

larride:
How’s that offside?

Thank you VAR

It is off. His body movement deceived the keeper. DeGea already anticipated the ball would hit him and divert. That is the rule

eph12:
Smh that's a clean goal. Richarlison removed himself from the ball

He presence is an interference with the goalkeeper

larride:
Why can’t they check VAR for that incident?

I think they check VAR for incidences leading tp only goal, penalty and red card

Greenwood spoils many good moves

codedguy1:
Relax how? How many times has De gea displayed his carelessness? Its one too many and someone instilling some fear in him can do wonders some times.

De gea needs a good talking to.

Kean likes to sound far tougher than the human being he was during his playing days. If he was actually like this, his team mates at the time would have fought him several times.

Anceloti has counter our tactics

codedguy1:
I miss keane

He should relax jor. Sounding like a school principal

See as Fred spoilt a counter attack.

larride:
Wings in that my comment means LCM. I was even arguing with those I was watching the match with that it was a 4-4-2 diamond when someone thought we were playing 4-4-3.

When the match started, Fred was at the center and Bruno was on the “wings”. It was later Fred move wide and Bruno move to the Center.

The first set of passes Fred made into the final 3rd and box area were from the left side. Bruno was in the middle but a CAM chooses where best to operate. He can even go camp on one side for 90 minutes as silva used to do.

eph12:
Greenwood is not in this match at all.

I wanted to say this too

chrisley024:
What was Maguire doing at that position where he got yellow

He wan score

What is wrong with Maguire with needless yellow card in the final 3rd? Wetin he dey find for there. He could not control an important pass

larride:
Yeah seems they have switched sides. Fred was playing from the center when the match started and Bruno on the wings.

They did not switch. It was like that from the start. Players are not statues