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Keky: Hmmmmmm

This chart says nothing. So many components are deleted. If you put Phil Jones there as it is, he might be thebest on the chart.

Chart = 0/0.

pkasso: Toure is a star among many other stars so don't try and sell that bullshyte of him winning the league all by himself.Aguero and Silva were arguably more decisive in City winning the first of those two league titles.Busquets was the midfield anchor and Toure was reduced to a passenger role when Barca won those UCL and along with other titles.

This argument will continue at night.

* Who are the many stars in City, compare that to Madrid and Barca.

* Guardiola wanted to play a different style. Noting more.

coogar: no, you didn't see many liverpool games - you are just twisting the facts to suit your argument. this was the same elampiro that told us suarez drops deep to the midfield to get the ball when you were defending rooney's lack of positional discipline last season.

sturridge has always been the furthest liverpool player from their goalie, not suarez. sturridge is the number-9, not suarez. when coutinho is on the pitch, he sits behind suarez & sturridge in a double-pronged attack.

I saw the games. Sturridge was number 9 until Suarez returned from suspension. Sturridge even soon went on injury. At the tail end of the season, Sturridge was being used from bench or rotated with Coutinho. Surez and Sterling were the regulars.

coogar: toure is overrated!
he was undressêd by matic last season at the etihad in the biggest game of the season.




•the stupidity of moyes
•no primary set-piece taker in the midfield
•mata came too late to the party
•kagawa was sidelined.
•toure often plays as a number-10

* Toure played without his regular midfield partner and he wasn't even fit. Why did Matic not save Chelsea when they met in the cup fixture.

* Excuse, excuse. How many goals did our midfielders add the previous seasons?

* How many midfielders have 20 goals and 9 assists, world all over?



Matic even went home empty handed while Toure won two trophies.

coogar: toure is overrated!
he was undressêd by matic last season at the etihad in the biggest game of the season.




•the stupidity of moyes
•no primary set-piece taker in the midfield
•mata came too late to the party
•kagawa was sidelined.
•toure often plays as a number-10

* Toure played without his regular midfield partner and he wasn't even fit. Why did Matic not save Chelsea when they met in the cup fixture.

* Excuse, excuse. How many goals did our midfielders add the previous seasons?

* How many midfielders have 20 goals and 9 assists, world all over?

Keky: Coogar, Ramsey >>> Yaya Toure

That's one good midfielder you mentioned there.

coogar: ronaldo wasn't anonymous in the final....he played very well



sturridge!!!
suarez plays on the left side of the attack & sterling plays on the right hand side.

I saw many Liverpool games last season. Suarez played the number 9 more than Sturridge. Sometimes when both starts, they play as two strikers as they did to us in OT. Some other times, they play fluid forward. But Suarez play the number 9 mostly, particularly the period Sturridge went back to the bench for Coutinho.

pkasso: Ronaldo is a certified big-game player.He has proven that time and time again.He has the longest scoring streak in the El-Classico, scored in two UCL finals and has single-handedly won trophies.So one off game doesn't mean anything.




Suarez is not a traditional centre-foward.Zlatan is the best 9 in the business.There isn't much difference in talent between those three.So what do you think separates him from Ronaldo and Messi? That big game temperament.That ability to stand up and counted when it matters most.It's a known fact Ibra goes missing in big games.

Abegi.

Toure has don his bit when he was Barca CM.

Secondly, Toure is one key player who moved City from a no team to EPL two time champions. It's like joining Tottenham and trying to prove yourself. Bale wouldn't win jack if he were still in Tottenham.

Dadehmola: Pirlo seems to be juve's dead ball specialist

Pirlo must be useless. Dead ball goals are not recognized in football. Unintelligent, ungifted, poor footballers are given kicks.

* May be Butner should have been taking our free kicks.

* I have seen Pirlo win a match for Juve with a perfect free kick just before final whistle.

coogar: his assists, i am sure more than half of them would have come from set plays too.

Until we see the stat.

I know Toure has probably the most beautiful assist last season when he ran ring around an opposition defence.

coogar: if any of them was the chief set piece taker instead of rooney/RVP then we would be having 10+ goal scoring midfielder. you cannot ignore awoof goals scored via penalties to boost the stats of players like gerrard, hazard, lampard & gerrard.

According to your stat, Toure has about 10 goals from open play and corner kicks. What prevented our 6 CMs from scoring 10 goals collectively from all competitions last season?

coogar: ronaldo wasn't anonymous in the final - bale & di maria were too selfish when they should have passed to cristiano. in the end, he scored a goal & madrid won.



how's suarez a top-9? which team has suarez ever played as a 9? elampiro, why do you misappropriate the facts to suit your argument?

* Ronaldo was anonymous in the final. When has Ronaldo ever have to rely on supplies?

* So who plays top 9 for Liverpool? I know Suarez as a striker, not 10 or a winger.

pkasso: I was coming to this.Yaya Toure relies on deadball scenarios for majority of his goals.

Compare his stat with Vidal's let's see na.

coogar: without free-shots with defenders standing 10 yards away or facing a goalie one on one, toure would have gotten only 10 league goals.

That's okay for a midfielder na. What about his assists? We arennt even talking of his constant 40 yards forward running threats on opponents in matches.

All our midfielders couldn't contribute 10 goals in all competition last season. We played about 6 central midfielders.

pkasso: A player that only performs against weakling teams and chokes in big games is not worthy of the tag 'best midfielder in the world'.That was the case with CR7 until he stepped up.So Queen Yaya now needs his minions for him to perform in big games abi? City lost home and away to Chelsea in the league last season and Toure couldn't do anything about it.Even in the Carling Cup game City won, he was anonymous.Heck, Jerome Boateng has won the UCL AND the World Cup.Valdes has a world cup winner medal and has more UCL titles than Buffon and Neuer combined,so he must be better.Give it up for Elampiro logic!

* Ronaldo was also anonymous in the UCL final. Does it take away all that he did through the season?

* Suarez doesn't score in big games. Does it mean he's not the world best top 9 at the moment? Suarez won nothing last season. He failed in the Calrling cup and F A cup. Suarez is overrated according to your logic.

coogar: there's nothing impressive with this stat considering the fact that 13 of those 20 goals were scored via set-piece. that's a whooping 65% of his total goals.

6 goals - penalties
4 goals - direct freekicks
1 goals - crossed freekicks
2 goals - corner kicks.

4 free kicks, 1 from crossing and 2 from corner kicks. That's impressive to me. Only hat his penalties are too many- 6. Without penalties, he has 14 goals from 21 shot on target.

adebayo201: I still don't get this swap of Vermaelen deal...
who are we swapping with arsenal!




over Vidal, I think it still lies with LvG tho!

Speculation on the swap:

The swap deal that has reported to have been rejected by the Red Devils could involve a number of players, with the Gunners having been linked with Tom Cleverley (Guardian), Phil Jones, Chris Smalling (Mirror) and Nani (Mirror).
http://www.caughtoffside.com/2014/08/08/manchester-united-end-interest-in-arsenal-star-after-refusing-to-accept-swap-deal/

I want to believe it's Jones or Smalling.

Hugoboi: Elampiro abeg stop this heresy!! ah ah!!

Oga, bring your proof.

See this four tweets below:



16 May 

Aaron Nielsen ⁠ @ENBSports
Yaya Toure 20 goals on 27 shots on target in the #EPL this season might be the most incredible football statistic ever

Janusz Michallik @JanuszESPN
RT @ENBSports: Yaya Toure 20 goals on 27 shots on target in the #EPL this season might be the most incredible football statistic ever

16 May 
Mwangi J Mbogo ⁠ @MwangiJ3
@JanuszESPN @ENBSports whoa! This man doesn't get the respect that's due to him


16 May 
Aaron Nielsen ⁠ @ENBSports
@LeanderOnFOX @JanuszESPN certainly an outlier the average 20 goal scorer averages around 40% of shots on target including PK. Toure at 74%


https://mobile.twitter.com/JanuszESPN/status/467284169564106752?p=v

chrisley024: ok! Maybe u should call Scholes or Zidane or Xavi to play for us.

Ooh! I forgot! Jones!

Did I say he should not play for us. I like his pace, strength, and power. We need someone like that, someone who can give us something close to Masherano- my main man since his Liverpool days.

StarBoard: elamps,
you are confusing me.
you haven't seen someone play except at the world cup yet you are ready to offer some form of evaluation on him?
It doesn't add up mate.

I have seen him play several times, even in the UCL. Just that I didn't pay attention to him. May be he was ordinary. Same way I couldn't find that extraordinary play from Pogba's game each time I saw Juventus play.

StarBoard: But you concluded that Fabregas was a better player based on what you saw in the world cup.
Please be clear.

No, you got me wrong. I based on my perception from what I have seen of them anywhere. Whether league, world cup, friendlies etc.

Yaya Toure scored against Arsenal and Tottenham. He has Assist against some quality sides.

How many goals did Suarez, Hazard, Torres, Ba, Rooney, RVP, etc, have against top sides?

pkasso: Have you ever taken time to watch Vidal apart from a WC where he was barely 50% fit according to Sampaoli.Yaya Toure the best midfielder in the world? Lool, Don't make me laugh.Yaya Toure is nothing but a flat-track bully.He only dominates against lesser oppositions like the Fulhams, the Newcastles of this world and of course Man Utd.Go and check his stats and perfomances against the sides that finished in the top 5 in England.The same Yaya Toure that was owned by Nemanja Matic.Yaya was exposed all over Europe last season by the likes of Schweini, Lahm, Xavi, Iniesta.In the big games against Bayern and Barcelona, he was nowhere to be found.Great player, but until he steps up in the big matches, not the best.

* Why can't other midfielders score against lower teams to boost their stats?

* Toure was not exposed by Matic. You are wrong there. Something happened on the night, I think it has to do with one or two City midfielders missing the match due to injury.

On the return leg, what happened? City won. Toure ruled.


*** lest I forget. Yaya Toure is a UCL winner. Hope you know?

StarBoard: The world cup lasted max three weeks for all concerned (Toure, Fabregas, Vidal)
You cannot use the world cup to judge player's overall form.
The Fabregas and Toure you are putting over Vidal didn't make it past the frst round so I fail to see your point here if you are using the world cup as a barometer.
Arturo Vidal is a top midfielder, whether you agree or not.

* I am talking about when I saw him play and paid attention to his game. I never paid particular attention to his game until he was seriously linked to us.

* Toure and Fabregas, I have known their games since. I didnt need to use the world cup to review their games. And I don't see how their national team performance takes away anything I know about them already.

* Toure is far above Vidal at the moment. I need to be proven wrong on this. Fab is on same level with Vidal, in my view.

Dadehmola:

I am saying my mind. I don't watch much of Italian league, but in the world cup, Vidal was forming activities in the attack. Fabregas would deliver far better than what I saw Vidal did in attacking build up. May be until I monitor him properly when he sits deep in midfield.

Dadehmola: Just say he has pace and pawa



He is arguably the best midfielder in the world presently.

The best? Until he comes and goes thru our microscopic views and analysis. Lol

But in the world cup, I saw him always joining attack, ignoring his defensive duties.

I think Yaya Toure is the best midfielder now. I don't see how Vidal is any better than Fabregas.

The reason I like Vidal is the fact that he will bring something we don't have in the middle of the park. Akpu football. Otherwise, I don't think he's worth £47m or so. Not yet. The obvious fact that Man United needs a midfielder seems to be driving up the prices of midfielders we are linked to. We should remember Vidal is a central midfielder, and not a striker.

Leyqute: Elampiro drop the link na

I watched it on a certain facebook fan page.

But just google it. It's everywhere.

Reserve cup final: Man United 4 Man City 1.

James Wilson 4 goals. I read he scored a magnificent equalizer. I checked youtube. James took the ball from half way, dribbled past everyone on his way to score the equalizer. Then he scored three more.

coogar: block who? i hope he comes so that the white micah richards(jones) can learn from vermaelen.

I think we need a world class defender. Not an Arsenal reject.

Dadehmola: How exactly?

When he comes, Blind comes, then Jones and Smalling go to the bench.

Emperoh: Thomas Vermaelen: Arsenal boss Wenger drops Man Utd hint

Arsenal manager Arsene Wenger says the club have received offers for captain Thomas Vermaelen and that Manchester United could be one of the bidders.

The 27-year-old made just 14 Premier League appearances last season and has attracted interest from several clubs.
Wenger refused to discuss the size of the bids but did say he would prefer to see the defender move abroad.
When asked if Manchester United were one of the bidders, he said: "I think they could be in the group."

What do you think is so special about this guy? It looks like he's only coming to block our defenders from developing. The only advantage he has is his age (28 years, going to 29).