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At least we can beat Liverpool to top 4.

coogar: of course, beating leverkusen 5-0 will take us to the top of the table. as for UCL, rooney's contribution to winning that was zero. he was anonymous on the night.

RVP does not drop deep & we beat teams with ease when he plays. upon all the dropping deep rooney does, we conceded 2 goals & de gea plus some shyte finishing from spurs made the scoreline respectable.



don't compare those 2 to rooney - they are infinitely better. RVP isn't a box player too & he's won the last 2 golden boots in the premier league. rooney should learn fast & stop the street football mentality where there are no designated roles. oooops, i forgot - fergie already said rooney is a slow learner.




thanks for this smart observation some rooney fan boys are too ashamed to discuss.

RVP was away to Liverpool, how did he help get goals from his box position?

RVP in a team weakens the scoring sense oof other strikers because he acts like an hyena- an opportunist. Then all of a sudden he gets all the credit when people work for him. Look at Arsenal, since RVP left, everyone has leant how to score find the back of the net.

montelik: Rooney natural ball desiring style meant that numerous times we didn't have forward options and that didn't allow us to play effectively on the break. When Welbeck went upfront we got better. But then it appears he wasn't fully fit.

Meanwhile we could not make a positive attempt to grab hold of the game because Jones dropped very deep, as he is not a natural central midfielder and the active press of Paulinho, Dembele and Sandro would have exposed him playing from anywhere but the pocket of safety in front of Evans and Vidic. He is also no Carrick or Scholes and could do nothing to influence the game from that deep. Cleverley couldn't hack it midfield and Kagawa couldn't settle after some solid shackling by Spurs. One minute he was trying to make an impact from the hole, the next he was moving wide left. Valencia deliveries were poor.

At the end it was a good point. Its the dropped points to Southampton, Cardiff that are really putting us in a hole.

You guys should be sincere. Until Rooney drop, we had no clue what to do with the ball in the middle. Despite Rooney drop, he ran fast to mae himself available for a pass in the box.

coogar: you are missing the point....
when RVP plays, he stays in the box more than rooney does & he tends to drop deep less like rooney does. i am not asking rooney to become an inzaghi or paolo rossi - he's 28, by now he should know which ball to chase back & which he should let his midfielders deal with.

RVP does that perfectly - he bides his time & manages his energy very well. nothing makes me mad more than doing a counterattack with a winger & there's no striker busting a gut to receive the ball. rooney still lacks that discipline a bit - he wants to do everyone else's job.

RVP was not there when we won 5-0. He was not there when we won UCL,etc. He cannot be one to be used as a benchmark for our attacking play. Had Rooney not dropped back today, we would have been roasted, and with no pressing game from us.

Suarez is not a box player. Messi is not a box player but he scores load of goals.

coogar: shut up your mouth & reason with common sense. rooney had 90 mins on the pitch to beat spurs - how many mins did chicharito get with a visionless midfield that created 0 chance in the last 20 mins of the game.

Your hatred for some players is an incurable disease.

Repent o.

Oghos1: The welbeck hate is nothing short of pathetic.

When it comes to welbeck issues very many people stop thinking straight.

I bet most of u would av been cursing and swearing at him when his pass after dat strong run failed to meet any1

I am pro Welbeck. But this is not the period to gamble just to please everyone. Why should Nani be on the bench when he posted a 4 star performance on Wednesday. Then what was Welbeck contribution too team play today?

leggo: a lot of stupidity on this thread
so jones played agbero football? what kind do you expect against paulinho and dembele?? foolishness is engrained in the Dna of who ever says cleveley is a good player.
stupid potato couch analysis.
i would have preferred if Sir Bobby Charlton played instead of the ironically named cleverley

You said the truth.

nitrogen: And we are yet to play Everton, Newcastle, Hull city and others.

The Everton will be more difficult. They are in a form of their life.

coogar: we looked lost in the league without RVP. for all rooney's strength & verve, he doesn't stay in the box to create a target for his midfielders. valencia was god awful - he shouldn't be playing for us. zaha at this stage would be doing better.

Make una see ooooohhhh!!!

I don give up n this man.

Earlier on he said Kagawa played on the left.

Chicha that play as a box man what did he offer?

Man United fans world all over need to do an offering collection for Rooney for what he's done for us.




Infact, I don tire finish for Coogar.

montelik: Some people just love scapegoating. So Cleverley told Jones to let the ball bounce or Evans to give away a freekick at the edge of the box. He made the wall jump or he should have made himself a human barrier to block one of the best distance strikes we will see this season. Maybe he should have fouled Sandro like Jones did all afternoon (he could easilyget sent off he keeps clattering people non stop).

We should have left Welbeck up front in 2nd half, as is was when we manged to get foothold in the game. And if we was unfit or tiring, we should have brought off Kagawa and brought on a Nani to stretch the play and play out faster on the break.

Did you not see Cleverley almost gave away a 3rd goal? He was not marking too and didn't know what to do with the ball excerpt try a back pass.

coogar: that's another difficult fixture out of the way though. arsenal are yet to go to anfield, stamford bridge, etihad & white hart lane. 9 points at this stage is huge but i take solace in the fact that it's arsenal on top - not chelsea/city.

it's still doable. there's another game on wednesday. let's see if moyes will play for a draw on that one. the man has made me eat my words about him. i supported the wankër initially until i found out he has no spinal cord.

I used to think like this. But now, I don't know anymore.

*Jones was our only midfielder today. The other guy was a negative player for us.

I am not surprised how Junior has quickly jumped to side Senior in this match analysis. These Father and Son have torn the page with the word 'objectivity' from their dictionary.

*I have said it, you don't change a winning team so quickly. Only Giggs should have been out today from the team that beat Leverkusen. Had Nani started, the game would have been easier for Kagawa. We could not retain the ball.

*Chicharito is only a scorer. No good team play. RVP should return now.

* Kagawa could not shine because he is an amazing hole player, but the hole didn't exist in the Totteham game today. Also, it was a physical fast paced game.

* We need yound defenders that can play high and sprint. Vidic and Ferdi era is over. Vidic aerial prower and experience is what keeps him going.

* Moyes made subs too late. Cleverley should have been out at 50h minute for another CM. Welbeck out too at 65h minute, for Nani. Moyes was scared to play an attack minded game.

Cleverley is finished.

Valencia is nonsense in this half.

Rooney is a beast!!!

Where is Nani na? Where is Anderson/Fellaini?

So Moyes can't see that we are playing short two- Cleverley and Welbeck?

montelik: the tactics aren't helping, this is not a matter of welbeck, Valencia, cleverley is shit. our setup is poor. welbeck had basically been played all over the place, no fixed position, kagawa is being shunted all over. Meanwhile Rooney's love for touches has at times left us strikerless.

put dw19 where he can play, upfront and drop Rooney behind or unto the left.

***19 is worse as a top striker.

*** Apart from Giggs and Nani absence, this was exactly how we played on Wednesday. No Nani or Giggs to help string the passes together. If only Carrick was fit to replace Cleverly.

Cleverley game has dropped drastically.

Welbeck will soon be sold. He's causing selection headache.

RuuDie: Welbeck should please just make way for Nani in the second half... and Jones for Anderson!

Welbeck is our weak link.

Cleverley is also not in the game.

coogar: such an idiotic free kick to concede.

jones literally stood there like a fool and waited for the ball to drop behind him oblivious to paulinho's presence & elampiro would be talking nonsense that jones brings power.

power my foot!

Why did Evans not stand his ground? It was Evans fault, not Jones.

Leyqute: Evra needs protection against Lenon. Huge protectn.
Kagawa is doing well.

Kagawa never do well na. Take am easy.

Nani should have played today and encouraged with a run of games. But the desire to rotate team and please everyone. I won't be surprised to see Young next match and Nani and Welbeck. On the bench.

My opinion. Nani should have started today while Welbeck play against Everton.

coogar: the midfield against tottenham was giggs + scholes + carrick. go & buy united season review & watch instead of using your memory chip that is less than 8 bits

rafael was a right back in the second half against blackburn. when i prove this, you will run away for 8 hours & then come back with news on the internet.



little did you know there are many people like you on goal.com. what has voter's player ratings got against opta that records every pass, every run, mileage, key passes, chances created, etc. if we leave football results to fans to judge, arsenal would win the league every season.

goal.com na sportssite?

OPTA HAS SPOKEN.....

www.nairaland.com/attachments/1443947_image_jpg0d5b1c4c7f720f698946c7f6ab08f687

I didn't even say it well.

You said Giggs and Scholes played in the midfield against Spurs. Lol

coogar: nope.... he just runs past them....
beating is applying a delicate skill with your feet to take you past a defender. in most cases, the defender will be left for dead & cannot even chase you.

https://strackattack.com/files/pictures/Randoms/Footy%20GIFS/nani%20ronaldo%20chop%20against%20arsenal.gif




because you always lie to win arguments. lied leverkusen made more pass completion, lied most sportsites gave valencia more points than nani in the leverkusen game, etc.

match report

Who dey lie reach you na?

Lied that Giggs and Carrick played in the midfield against Totteham.
Lied that Rafael played right back against Blackburn.


Incase you don't know.

Valencia was the second best against Leverkusen according to Man United official website.

Also check the rating here and fans thumb up or down against Val and Nani names. http://www.goal.com/en-gb/match/122452/bayer-leverkusen-vs-manchester-united/player-ratings

Why Welbeck instead of Nani?

Rafael is back.

It's Cleverley and Jones.

De Gea; Smalling, Vidic, Evans, Evra; Valencia, Cleverley, Jones, Kagawa, Welbeck; Wayne Rooney.

Subs: Lindegaard, Rafael, Anderson, Fellaini, Nani, Young & Hernandez.

coogar: talking nonsense as usual.....
upgrade your memory - rafael played in the midfield in the first half & united conceded a goal via penalty. at the start of the 2nd half, fergie reshuffled the pack & rafael went back to RB.

the 2nd goal was conceded with yakubu räping jones & carrick & putting the ball in the net. their 3rd goal was a de gea mistake failing to deal with an aerial. all this while, rafael had moved back to the RB position.



what does this have to do with anything? why should fergie be playing RB in the midfield in the first place? just because he wanted to punish gibson & rooney for going out to party?

beating

You have started your insult again.

Okay, I heard you. Rafael played in the midfield and we lost first half one nil.

Also, he went to defence and we conceded two. Yet you were blaming the defence when you first thought it was Valencia who played there for 90 minutes.

Lastly, when you had not realized Rafael played in the midfield, you accused me of distorting facts.

coogar: but it was the right flank where valencia played that got räped. a defence containing carrick & valencia would always struggle. we lost because of the number of make-shifts in the team not because of rafael.

blackburn were just pumping ball into the defence - putting it over our midfield. what could rafael/park do to aerials? fly & trap balls in the air? did you even watch the match?

Argumentu irrelevantu.

Did Rafael play midfield or not? Or have you forgotten your allegation that if Rafael or Jones play in the midfield we would not be bullied? The pressure that day was from the midfield. Goals will always be eventually blamed on goalkeeper or defenders,but a better midfield that day would have prevented the bully on us in the first place.

Do you know what? The decision to play Rafael in the midfield finally made Pogba to quit.

coogar: you do a lot of fact distortion.

rafael is a right back - he's not a midfielder & we didn't concede any of those goals because of rafael - berbatov conceded a penalty via pulling samba & it was valencia & jones that got räped for the other 2 goals. the defence on the day was..valencia-jones-carrick-evra & that already tells me you didn't see the match to see how disjointed the team looked.

Rafael played in the midfield against Blackburn.

coogar: just like united didn't deserve to win last week. cardiff matched us & they got a deserved draw. forget ifs, ands & buts.....arsenal deserves their victory, forget it & move on.

So how does this prevent me from airing my view on a match I watch? The fact remains that the scoreline didn't reflect the play. If I cannot say such on the thread, then what am I doing here?

coogar: yeah, because rafael is a world class midfielder - why shouldn't you expect him to do a good job there?

no marker has kept bale quiet like rafael has done in the premier league. he's a nemesis to bale & this is because bale cannot outrun rafael.

https://stream1.gifsoup.com/view4/1310949/rafael-nutmeg-bale-o.gif

that's rafael doing what a winger should do to a full-back. he murdered gareth bale!!!

The argument has lost its bearing.

I told you Jones is doing fine as the hatchet man since last season. The Totteham games came into the discussion as a way of weighing Jones influence in (and off) games. Jones was missing in the Spurs game at Old Trafford and we lost. You sounded like Rafael or Fabio could have stopped Totteham or do what Jones is currently doing. I had to point out that midfield hatchet job is not just about speed. It has to do with speed, energy, and sense or midfield skills. Rafael played in midfield in a lesser fixture at Old Trafford, but he was clueless and lacked the energy to stop Blackburn in the midfield.

debosky: Is most likely to score now equal to goals? Hadn't Campbell scored against you by the same time last week?

Talk about clutching at straws. What about the Kim that scored against you? Was he also taken off for Osaze?

Abeg face Tottenham and try to beat them. If you lose I'm sure you'll say it's because Lamela or someone else who featured that didn't play agains Arsenal.

You don't know what necessitated the argument, so park. The 3-0 scoreline didn't reflect the play. Cardiff didn't deserve to lose so heavily considering what they played, particularly in the 2nd half.