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coogar: and where was the power & fast playing playing blackburn midfield when the powerless & slow midfield of united destroyed them 7-1 at old trafford.

nikkykay: Ogbeni elampiro, I saw d match frm start 2finish!
Scz saved many shots & if Campbell was replaced or not, d game wulda still ended 3:0
Ai mo oye CR7 headers infront of scz!
Ds season Arsenal are not d same as d 2 Machester clubs
Deal With It!

nikkykay: Where was Campbell & hw many attempts did he make b4 Ode replaced him?
Stop hating jare! I send man u msg make e draw?
Dnt worry let's see wot will happen 2mrw

coogar: we can never be on the same page - i said any player with pace could have shackled bale. it's not about power. rafael in the midfield could have stopped bale. what has power gotta do with it? cleverley & carrick combo had no power when they dismantled city, chelsea & newcastle(away from home last season).



jones is a disgrace each time he's played in the midfield. he lacks the panache, vision & the skill to be a midfielder.



from the above, it showed we played 4-3-3/4-5-1 against spurs & we got murdered because the combined age of our midfield was close to methuselah's. did it not happen again at west brom when lukaku came on & got a hatrick as a sub?




leverkusen are a poor side - stop using them as a yardstick. who would compare tottenham side + bale versus a team that conceded 9 goals in 180 mins against united?



you haven't made nada.....



when rooney's average hits 88%(never mind 90%) we would get you a cow.

coogar: that's immaterial - jones was the DM & berbatov gave him a bloodbath & that's contrary to what you told us that jones got his debut DM role at man utd.



we lost the game because each time bale picked the ball up, he ran through our midfield & none of our midfielders was able to match bale with pace. rafael, anderson, fabio or anyone with pace could have shackled bale on the day - nothing to do with jones.



his future is in the CB....where he can hoof the ball & commentators would say it's a good clearance. in the midfield, proper care of the ball had to be taken.....intercept or win a tackle & play a 5 yard pass & return back to position is what is required. jones had no positioning to intercept & his passing is god awful.



you don't need a ball winner to win the league. chelsea's ball winners have only won it once in the last 7 seasons.



the truth is jones got us in trouble against spurs, de gea had to bail us out several times. tottenham damaged our midfield & won every second ball with jones looking like a deer in the headlights.

coogar: so this should make us forget all the 60% pass completion stats he's posted this season? does it not surprise you that ross barkley can pass the ball better than rooney in the hole? £250k/week player has the worst passing accuracy in short passes in the UK - it's a disgrace.

coogar: opta rated nani the highest on the day, even much better than rooney with 4 assists. so another myth of yours busted by simple statistics.

coogar: rooney's average this season is 79%. he's never been a good passer of the ball. actually, he does more long passes better than short passes and the man in the hole must be able to tread short passes on the edge of the box to his centre-forward.



dropping deep means running from a high pressure zone to a low pressure zone. who bothers with rooney's passing when he's beside carrick doing tiki-taka? opponents are happy to let united keep the ball in those area so passing is very much easier there.




jones had played in the DM position plenty of times for blackburn even before united signed him. he was the DM when berbatov drank his blood in the 7-1 massacre of blackburn in 10/11 season.





yes let's compare the old trafford game with midfield of scholes/giggs(combined age of 100 yrs) to the white hart lane game, shall we?



keep lying to yourself - spurs destroyed man utd's midfield. de gea kept the scoreline respectable in one of his best performances ever for united. de gea kept pulling out world class saves here & there. spurs should have won the game 5-2.

coogar: rooney's overall stat this season is 79% passing accuracy. he's one of our worst passers of the ball. considering the fact he drops deep & plays more in low-pressure zones, it's a disgrace moyes could even think of playing him in the hole.

coogar: if elampiro has any proof, you would expect him to post the fraudulent write-up he read where rooney suddenly posted 97% passing accuracy. rooney with the first toüch of a räpist is too technically crude to keep possession.



this is another dubious attempt to pull wool over the eyes of united fans on this thread. jones has lost us more points in the midfield than any other midfielder we have got. he epitomises what any young midfielder should never aspire to be.

it seems you dunno some of us still have the memory of jones stinking the whole joint with his appalling performance in the midfield. his 25-min mission to stem the tide of our biggest derby defeat was ended in a disaster. he was a substitute DM & we conceded 3 more goals under his watch to hand city 6-1.

jones quickly followed up his show of shame again when his defensive midfielder disgraceful job allowed athletic bilbao to destroy us at old trafford - i won't even talk about his deer in the headlights performance that eliminated us from the champions league group against fc basel in 11/12.

last season was worse, we couldn't beat spurs & west ham as jones produced some of the worst midfield performance in the history of man utd. he was decapitated by chelsea @ old trafford as mata tore him apart....arteta completed the gangräping @ the emirates with jones looking lost & allowing walcott to take the piss @ our defence.

coogar: rooney's overall passing accuracy in the league this season is still below 80%. that write-up you have read is fraudulent.

montelik: Jones is not a central midfielder, he has been played mostly as destroyer/marauder. Mostly to disrupt the opposition, he has only one responsibility which is incredibly simplistic. There are only certain types of games he can be useful in. He basically doing what the likes of Quinton Fortune, Phil Neville, Alan Smith, Ronny Johnsen, David May e.t.c have done for us in the past. Notice, no one in their right minds would call any of these players I mentioned a good central midfielder at top levels.

Any one placing hope in Jones is directly and indirectly drawing this team and squad back. He has no future at the position and limited value. Rather than wasting time giving him minutes there, its better to play those who actually can play there and offer more than simply running around like a marauder. It is much better to play Carrick, Fellaini, Cleverley, Ando there (even recall Tunniclife, Petrucci and Powell from loan), and give them chance to prove themselves and improve. If they don't, then we know how many what we need to find in the market.

Hell no is playing Jones regularly in midfield going to help this team. See where drafting Giggs into central midfield got us. We have one of the weakest central midfields in Europe, because we failed to truly solve the problem, instead resorting to gimmicks while all the quality was being snapped up by others. Now, not only do we suspect first team central midfielders, our once promising prospects have failed to materialize.

No Jones in central midfield. Unless injuries dictate it, or special occasions. Stop the gimmicks.

This is a very good argument. Plenty of sense. This is a matured way of driving a point home other than saying, 'Jones is a shyte'.

However, I was only talking of a temporal solution or saving ourselves the embarrassment of being made to look like kids in the midfield. We have had Cleverley, Carrick, Fellaini all criticized in the midfield this season. Jones has played more matches than some of the other guys, yet he has got the least criticism. What does that tell you? Jones will also boast that he was in the midifield when United kept a clean sheet against Leverkusen, and we won 5-0.

Last season, Jones was in the heart of our midfield in most of the big matches. He was used to render Fellaini useless in the return leg. For the fact that he gets so much time there tells you the unreliability of the other guys. They dont know what it means to win balls.

I never said his future is the midfield, but in football you can never rule out anything. Mikel was a hole player or AM before Mourinho converted him to a mechanical player. Jones overall team and passing game has improved so much.

But you made solid argument.

coogar: you have started with this blue font again - if you get slammed by spambot, don't go screaming to koffi annan.

rafael/alves/zabaleta/ have all scored from the RB position. even if valencia doesn't score as many as nani, how come his assist tally is way lower than nani's despite playing 6,000 league minutes more than nani? that's 56 league matches head start.



we have won the title in 10/11 & 12/13. we failed to win it in 09/10 by drogba's offside goal & 11/12(last kick of the season) without having a ball winner in the team. the importance of a ball winner is the same as a fish needing a bicycle.



chelsea weren't poor - they prioritised their season & roman went for what he felt he needed the most. he wanted the champions league more than the league. chelsea were poor & they won FA cup & champions league - united were so good that season & they won NOTHING

nitlad:

Ok na. . . Leggo

Rooney will never be rated among the great players of this generation.

coogar: that's the same position baines, alves, zabaleta are earning their stripes. if he's not scoring, he should be assisting.....that excuse is worn-out.



he's super-trash. what does jones offer us......he's 8/10 as a centre-half, 6/10 as a right back & 4/10 as a midfielder. you think putting him in the midfield to destroy should be lauded?

tackling is not a skill - it's a reactive action to nullify a mistake that has been made either by poor positioning or a silly loss of ball possession. any idïot can tackle on the pitch - i pay attention more to how the ball is taken care of after the tackle is won than the tackle itself.




they finished in that position because they concentrated on europe more than the league. they rested their best players for europe & this is why they finished 6th. had they been eliminated earlier in europe, there's no way any chelsea side under roman can finish below the 4th position.

dayokanu: Elampiro didnt watch that match. He hasnt started watching football in that time. All his football reference started in 2008

How do you overpower a team

2012 CL final

SHots Bayern 34 Chelsea 9
Shots on target Bayern 21 Chelsea 6
Corners Bayern 20 CHelsea 1

In elampiros village thats how you overpower someone.

If someone didnt tell you the scoreline from those stats most people would think the game ended 7-1

coogar: @ elampiro,

chelsea didn't overpower bayern in that final. chelsea played like kittens & were too defensive. their first corner was after muller's goal in the 89th minute or so....

bayern had more possession, more territorial advantage, more chances created, etc. saying chelsea overpowered bayern is like saying arsenal overpowered united in 2005 FA cup final.

dayokanu: Mention the games Italy played defensively you are running from pillar to post. I have always said it that you dont watch games only depend on Complete Sports and pool papers

Show us where Italy played like Chelsea with 10 men in the box

Even the Chelsea owner Abrahamovic is ashamed of the way Chelsea played that season

Theres no power in Robben and RIbery its all speed and skill just like Neymar, Hazard, Mata, Reus etc

coogar: is a winger meant to be scoring or providing? what about their stats in the premier league? valencia(18 goals, 43 assists in 15,148 league minutes) & nani(25 goals + 57 assists in 9,418 league minutes). numbers don't lie, bro. nani is more productive!!!



yet again, debatable....
a single match does not define who's better than who?



jones is trash.

dayokanu: Is it the name of the club that makes it experienced So if you bring Notthingham Forest into the CL they are experienced or Newcastle. How many attempts did it take malaga to make it to CL knockout stage

2. Give us an example of a game in 2006 where Italy was negative football. In the CL final that Chelsea won which chance did they miss? So any team that scored isnt negative? So much for shallow thinking

3. We said name in Bayern he is mentioning Oli Kahn Female National team. No wonder why they call you jester?

WHats Power about Robben and Ribery when they are some of the weakest and most brittle players ever. everyone knows Robben is one of the most fragile players ever

elrony: Elamps..mbanu...Jones is practically our fifth defender..playing deep in front of our backline

Our technical brawler...ask ozil!!!

coogar: jones & valencia are the worst players @ united currently. when jones is not playing as a centre-half, he's clueless.

valencia has not beaten a marker in 2013. he nearly missed his tap-in sef - the post assisted him. nani should be starting on the right.

who else can finish off teams like this?

https://i.minus.com/i3EXLKhMgX5ik.gif

dayokanu: Who are these City players not experienced in Europe? Is it Aguero, Zabaleta, Silva, Kompany, Fernandinho or is it Pellegrini who isnt experienced in Europe

2. I told you to always watch games there was nowhere Italy lined up 10 players in their box in world cup 2006. And we beat Chelsea in this Supercup

3. How is Bayern a power playing team? Who are the Power players in Bayern?