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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:09am On May 26, 2013
StarBoard: I tire o.
This fella must be as dumb as concrete if he doesn't understand that Rooney has made his position within the club untenable by submitting another transfer request.The fans will not forgive him,not sure his teammates will want to play with him as well.
All these long epistles from him and he doesn't still get it.
Dumbhuh So SAF, David Gill, RVP and De Gea who want him stay almost at all cost are dumb? It is only here fans feel think the way you guys think. Go to other United forum, the far majority have extremely high respect for Rooney and think is a the heart and hub of the team.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:29am On May 26, 2013
There was this midfielder yesterday, I think Martinez. He is a perfect rugged guy United should lure. Unfortunately it seems it's only Fellani we can get.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:21am On May 26, 2013
montelik: And Rooney wasn't losing possession regularly this season. I don't think I can recall a season where Rooney lost possession and failed to hold up the ball as much as he did this season.

We don't need a Zizou, RVP could easily be good enough with the right support. Besides Kagawa is a perfect fit and upgrade over the present poor Rooney.
He lost possession in very few matches, and he was still the best overall in holding the ball and coordinating attack. Don't forget too in some instances, he was played off position. Like the Madrid game where SAF played him behind Welbeck, Kagawa and RVP because there was a Ronaldo to be stopped from terrorizing Raphael.

Most of the players you guys are hoping for aren't coming, and who said they can't flop? Anyway if Rooney goes and there is a vacuum, Giggs is there to step in.

Players like Rooney are very important, they don't die. See the way Robben digs deep and work for the overall benefit of the team. Roben people said was dead on several occasions, he always bounces back.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:03pm On May 25, 2013
coogar: he did very well, RVP cannot hold possession? only 2 forwards treat the ball like a wife in this league, van persie and berbatov. their ball control techniques surpass any forward in the whole english for the past 7 seasons.

van persie is a better number 10 than rooney....
OMG!
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:57pm On May 25, 2013
coogar: he has plenty to offer us......van persie would drop behind him and lewandowski would spearhead the attack. he's a beast! sell rooney please, monaco should come for him already and get us a hungrier striker who can find the net.
The matches RVP dropped behind this season how did he perform? He can't hold possession. Haven't you noticed he struggles in that aspect of the game?
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:52pm On May 25, 2013
SAF?

European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 10:48pm On May 25, 2013
SailorXY: ^^^ guy forget! Lewandowski is a genuine goal threat. Do you see how he holds the ball up and release other players? Goetze is obviously his compliment, just like Kagawa was last season *big man small man partnership* cheesy
He has something to offer to this Manchester United team, he can do well as a lone striker, I'm sure he will also fit nicely into a 4 4 2. Drop this your Rooney armpit licking, the guy is not even interested in Old Trafford anymore
I didn't see him holding anything. I only saw when he used his hand to control the ball. The real deal is Roben. He drops deep, collects the ball and builds with his mates.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:39pm On May 25, 2013
Lewandowsky, Lewandowsky, Lewandowsky. Much ado about nothing.

He is just a box player like Chicharito and Van Persie. He is not the number 10 we are looking for. He can't play if he doesn't get the ball in his legs inside the box.

We already have RVP, so we don't need him. He has nothing to offer to EPL. He is just like Dzeko and Podosky. That's all.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 6:56pm On May 25, 2013
Fletcher is set to return to full trainoing in July.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
coogar: rooney is the new phelan.....
i won't be happy if he's not sold this summer. 2 transfer requests in the last 2 years because he was outplayed by berbatov/chicharito in 2011 and van persie in 2013...... he would probably commit suicude if we sign lewandowski or falcao.
grin grin grin grin

Rooney outplayed in 2011? Rooney returned late from a long injury in 2010. His transfer saga was before 2011.

Despite all the problems, he never rested once he was fit such that he had more playing time than Berba and Chicha.

The people who work with Rooney and know his worth to the team are killing themselves to keep him even at 250k/week. Unknown followers are hating for nothing 'cos elampiro is here.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:22pm On May 25, 2013
David Moyes is facing another major battle as Manchester United boss – to keep prize rookie Adnan Januzaj. The Kosovo-born Belgian, 18, has just been voted reserve team player of the year after an impressive step up from the youth ranks.

But that has alerted Barcelona, who missed out on signing him when he swapped Anderlecht for Old Trafford two years ago.

Now new gaffer Moyes, already fighting to retain Wayne Rooney, is likely to offer Januzaj a new deal.

He hopes improved terms will persuade Januzaj, an attacking midfielder or striker, to snub Spanish giants Barca. (Source: The Sun)
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Full name Wayne Rooney

Birth date October 24, 1985

Birth place Liverpool

Current age 27 years 213 days

Height 5 ft 10 in

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After expressing his desire to leave Manchester United during 2010, Rooney went on to rediscover his love for the club - and has now won over sceptical fans.

The striker has been firmly in the spotlight since first breaking into the England side aged 17 and has the potential to stay at the top of the game for years to come.

Having worked his way through the Everton academy, a 16-year-old Rooney shot to the world's attention with a stunning goal against Arsenal in 2002 and showed skill beyond his years before Manchester United signed him for around £30 million after the 2004 European Championships - in which he had played a starring role.

The powerful frontman made an immediate impact with a hat-trick on his debut - a Champions League victory over Fenerbache in September 2004 - and went on to help United to three straight Premier League titles between 2006-2009, while also collecting numerous personal awards.

The 2009-10 season represented the pinnacle of Rooney's goalscoring career to date, as he plundered 34 goals in 42 games in all competitions for United. Cristiano Ronaldo's departure to Real Madrid allowed Rooney to flourish as he became the focal point of the Old Trafford attack, and he spearheaded United's forward line in style. Rooney scored the winning goal in the 2010 Carling Cup final and though United missed out on domestic and European glory, he was rewarded for an impressive campaign with the PFA Players' Player of the Year Award.

In September 2008, Rooney became the youngest player in league history to make 200 appearances but after poor form and a tabloid scandal after the 2010 World Cup, he admitted he wanted to leave Manchester United. It took just three days for him to perform a U-turn though, committing his future to the club until 2015 amid a media melee.

He went on to strike up a formidable partnership with Javier Hernandez as United clinched the Premier League crown, but despite his second-best season in terms of goals scored in 2011-12 he could not prevent the Premier League title from heading across Manchester to Man City.

A red card in England's final Euro 2012 qualifier landed Rooney a two-game ban which ruled out of group-stage matches against France and Sweden. He returned to score the only goal of the game against Ukraine to secure England's passage to the knockout stages, but his performance in their exit at the hands of italy led to fresh criticism about his application and fitness.

The arrival of Robin van Persie from Arsenal ahead of the 2012-13 season seemed to meet Rooney's requests that United match the likes of City and Chelsea in the transfer market, but he could not have anticipated the impact it would have on his own role in the team.

Relations between himself and Ferguson reached a new low when the England striker was left out of United squad to face Real Madrid in the knockout stages of the Champions League. United reclaimed the Premier League, but it later emerged that an increasingly marginalised Rooney had handed in a transfer request. Ferguson, following his final appearance at Old Trafford, revealed the request had been rejected, urging Rooney to think about his future.

Strengths: Powerful and strong on the ball, Rooney's ability to pick a pass, shoot from distance and unselfishly work for the team is unparalleled in world football. His passion can never been called into question.

Weaknesses: He suffers when the red mist descends and has a propensity to lose his cool in key games. Sometimes an impetuous customer, prone to easy frustration.

Career high: His stunning debut hat-trick for Manchester United is a strong contender, but it cannot top being named as the best player in the country by his fellow professionals, as he scooped the PFA Players' Player of the Year Award in for the 2009-10 season.

Career low: Being sent off against Portugal in the 2006 World Cup for stamping on a rather delicate area of Ricardo Carvalho's body, after working so hard to be fit for the tournament following a metatarsal injury.

Style: Powerful, hard-working, passionate; an unselfish superstar.

Quotes: "We all know football players at the top level are blessed with high wages, it's no secret. But Rooney would play for 100 euros-a-week. You can see the fire in his eyes. It's that fire which makes him the best of the best." 2009 World Player of the Year Lionel Messi praises Rooney's passion.
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/player/73985.html

The three articles above summarised everything I have been trying to say about Wayne Rooney. SAF, David Gill and team mates cannot be wrong about trying to talk him to stay. Even DDG who played only two seasons said Rooney is such an important player for the team.

See the comment by Messi in 2010. Rooney didn't earn a commensurate wage compared o other world best in Madrid, Barca and Chelsea until his recent contract. Now it looks like he had an average season, even though he was among 6 best in the team, a few fans think his salary should immediately be sliced.

Then I like the quality listed. His major strength 'strong on the ball and unselfish'. We all played local football. There are players in the team that when on field, all team mates have a high level of confidence. I had an elder brother we played in same team, I was much rated higher, but whenever I ran into trouble I gave him the ball, likewise everyone else. One thing, he was strong on the ball and hardly gave away possession even in the tightest or most chocked situations.

Well, it is good news to me and hundreds of millions of fans that they are bent on making him stay.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:24am On May 25, 2013
De Gea hopes for Rooney United stay

ESPN staff

May 24, 2013

« Jockey Ahern lodges ban appeal | Beware Moyes' tough side, warns Fellaini »

David De Gea hopes Wayne Rooney stays at Manchester United and expects new manager David Moyes to continue along the path set by outgoing boss Sir Alex Ferguson.

Moyes' first big decision as United manager looks to be what to do with his former Everton charge Rooney, who Ferguson said on leaving had again asked for a move away from Old Trafford.

Reports in Manchester this week suggested Paris Saint-Germain headed his queue of suitors, with Chelsea and Real Madrid also thought to be interested in offering an escape route for the English international.

David de Gea insists Wayne Rooney is happy at the club © Getty Images

The United goalkeeper told Spanish radio show El Larguero on Thursday that he hoped Rooney stayed as he was an important player for the team.

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"He looks fine to me, happy," De Gea said. "We do not know if he will go, but we hope he stays. He is a very important player for us."

News: Beware Moyes' tough side, warns Fellaini

News: Gill confident of Rooney stay

News: Gill elected to UEFA executive committee

News: United confirm Phelan departure

De Gea revealed he is not sure what to expect from Moyes, but the assumption was that as little as possible would change at Old Trafford next season.

News: Rooney exit could pave way for Lewandowski

News: PSG begin talks to sign Rooney - report

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"Really, I do not know," he said. "He did very well at Everton, was there for many years. I believe he will be more or less on the same line as our boss Alex Ferguson."

Speculation that the ex-Atletico goalkeeper might return to Spain to replace Barcelona's outgoing Victor Valdes was batted away.

"That would be very difficult," he said. "I am very happy [at United]. Things are going really well, better every day. I am very happy."

De Gea's season is not over yet, as he is now set to captain a strong Spanish U-21 squad including Isco, Thiago Alcantara and Iker Muniain at June's European Championships in Israel. While acknowledging his country were among the favourites to lift the trophy, he said they were for now only concentrating on a tough group which features Russia, Germany and Holland.

"We have a difficult group, above all we need to through the first phase and go bit by bit," he said. "The team is very good, we did very well in qualifying and we need to keep going like that."
http://www.espn.co.uk/football/sport/story/208812.html
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Manchester United chief executive David Gill has today said he expects the clubs want away striker Wayne Rooney to stay with the club this summer.

“As Sir Alex said at his last press conference, that’s an issue for David Moyes. I’m confident he will be there next season. He’s a great, great player and the club doesn’t want to lose its star players.

“So I’m sure every bit of work is being taken with Wayne and his advisors and the club to make sure that happens. I’m not a betting man but I’m confident when I sit at Old Trafford next season I will see Wayne Rooney running out.” <Source: mufclatest.com>

Good news coming....
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European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 2:00pm On May 24, 2013
coogar: we had carrick, scholes, fletcher and oshea when we bought anderson and hargreaves. oshea, fletcher and now scholes have all left, shouldn't we fortify the midfield again? is it too much to have 2 top-tier defensive midfielders in a squad as big as ours? we haven't replaced hargreaves since 2009 - we need another destroyer like him to compete next season - thiago isn't the answer, i would rather have alex song.
Yes, Song.

What is Barca doing with all the world best midfielders? They have even converted Mascherno to a full back. They bench a whole Fabregas and Song.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:50am On May 24, 2013
You guys should sign Sunday Mba. At least he is guaranteed to score every Sunday and he runs 40 yards.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Fabville: I am talking of 2007/2008 season as his best season. You are already shifting to another season. What you computed says it all. Scholes and Anderson played the same number of games in EPL. And you are saying he is just completing the squad. I don't need to continue this because that was how you started DDG issue earlier in the year and at the end what happened to DDG stats? You also argued as if Rooney is sold Man Utd will crumble next season.

There is no point continuing with this.
My major highlight was 2007/2008 statistics. When you look at it closely, you will notice Anderson was mostly used as substitute because even Scholes you claimed was injured for 6 months, had far more playing time. That cannot be defined to mean playing a major role. What will now be said of Van Der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Brown, Carrick, Rooney, Ronaldo who probably had twice (X2)more playing time. I am sure even Tevez, Nani and Vidic had more playing time. Not to talk of the fact that they were the ones who did the job in the biggest stages.

Anderson
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1488 minutes which equals 16 matches. No goal, 1 assist.

Scholes.
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1841 minutes which equals 20 matches. 1 goal, 4 assists.

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=43857

Scholes

http://scores.nbcsports.msnbc.com/epl/players.asp?player=2491

...... Also where did I say if Rooney goes we will crumble? I said he will be hard to replace. Then I suggested Fabregas.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Fabville: He played a major role because as at the time Scholes was injured who in your opinion would have filled in for him considering that Hargreaves was injury prone and used to be deployed to right back? Football is a team work and there is no player that can say without him, the team wouldn't have been successful.

Paul Scholes also played seven games in that seasons UCL. The essence of having about 23 players registered is for tactical reason and injury reason. No player can play the whole game in a season.

I am not saying he is better than Scholes but when Scholes wasn't available he deputised for scholes well.

Those that played in the midfield during that season played a major role in United winning trophies in that season and Anderson was part of that midfield. If Anderson is playing the way he played in his first season we would not be having the problem we are having in our midfield right now.

You called a player who made 38 appearances in a season "completing the squad"? You are kidding me. What would you call Scholes who made 34 appearances? A player who made 38 appearances cannot be "completing a team".
''He was one of the reason why we won the EPL and UCL then.'' -Fabville

This is what I am reacting to. Can you explain it? Doesn't it sound like you meant he was the best midfielder and one of the top 5 players that season?

Then you keep repeating 38 games even though I have showed you he was mostly used as substitute. 16 games cumulatively is not up to half the season. So he cannot be credited with the accolade you described above. Scholes with a long term injury was still able to grab a 20 match cumulative games, I guess Carrick played virtually all.

Frm the statistics, it is obvious he was mostly used as substitute in those 38 games.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 1:38pm On May 23, 2013
I am a big fan os Anderson and Nani. Both fell my hand this season, but I still believe Nani can make I. I am not so convinced any more of Anderson. At the start of last season, I felt he was finally ready to rule. But the guy doesn't recover well from injury. This season exposed the fact he can't be consistent over 3 matches. Shine once, flop next. I am a fan of his 'move forward' football. He has energy so much. He tackles well and guides his ball very well. But his weaknesses are also many.


Weakness
Prone to injuries. One legged midfielder. His one leg is 'heavy', unlike Giggs he can't twist and turn with his left foot with ease. Poor shooting accuracy. Not a good goal scorer, and his shots are wayward.

That's my sincere opinion.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Fabville: I am talking of 2007/2008 season when Paul Scholes was injured for six months. Who came in for him then? Was it not Anderson? He played regularly in that midfield until Scholes came back fully fit in late April. Unless you you to say he didn't play regularly during Scholes' absence.

These are their appearances for 2007/2008 season in all competitions.
Paul Scholes - 34
Anderson - 38
Carrick - 49
Fletcher - 24
Hargreaves - 34
Anderson
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1488 minutes averaging 16 matches. No goal, 1 assist.

2008/2009 936 mins. 2009/10 864mins. 2010/11 1190mins. 2011/12 693mins. 2013 824.


Scholes.
2007/2008... 24 EPL matches- 1841 minutes averaging 20 matches. 1 goal, 4 assists.
Scholes had 1841, 1265 and 1946 minutes in 2008/9,2009/10,2010/11 respectively.


Anderson remaining 14 matches were probably in UCL, FA cup and carling cup. Who knows how much playing time he had. He was simply a squad member and not any major player. Carrick, Scholes and Hargreaves were our major midfielders, but injuries limited Hargreaves and his games were managed. In such situation or where rotation is needed, SAF knew who were to face big challenges.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 12:07pm On May 23, 2013
Fabville: I don't just get your point. There is no match in UCL that is not crucial. I know you love argument so much. But i'll want to ask you some questions. How long was Scholes injured in 2007/08 and from when till when? Who replaced him in the team when he was injured? Are you telling me that it is only the Semi-final and the Final matches that are crucial in the champions league? Are you telling me that a player that started six (6) games and came in as sub in three (3) games in the 2007/08 UCL did not play a major role in the winning of the UCL? You made me laugh! Go and check your record. Anderson played regularly in Man Utd team from Oct 2 2007 till April 2008 in EPL, FA cup and UCL. That was his best season so far in United shirt. I still maintain it that he contributed immensely to United winning the EPL and UCL.
Let me take you back memory lane. He played in a league cup against coventry city on Sept. 26 2007 and we lost that game. SAF was contemplating of loaning him out when Scholes suffered a ligament damage at training a night before a UCL game against Dinamo Kiev on 23rd Oct. 2007. That was how he was drafted in and he started that game and that was all. A season campaign is not a short distance but a marathon. The semi final and final matches he did not start was because Scholes was back from injury then. If he didn't play major role in the winning of the UCL why then was he brought on to play penalty? Why didn't Scholes play it? You need to get your facts right.
What you described up there does not in any way signify a major role to a UCL trophy. He started 6 games out of 13. How can that be a mojor role, and more so considering the fact he missed in the crucial matches. United had reached semi final previously, so getting past there was the major achievement, and SAF knew those who could cope in big games.

You painted in your first writing like Anderson was probably one of the most important players to our UCL campaign. It was like if Anderson wasn't there we wouldn't have won it. That was why I had to let you know he only completed the squad. If he played a major role, what will be said of Van Der Sar, Evra, Ferdinand, Vidic, Brown, Ronaldo, Rooney, Scholes, Giggs, Hargreaves and Tevez? In the midfield, you have to give it to Carrick, Scholes, Hargreaves and Giggs ahead of him. May be Nani too.

Later in the day, when I am chanced I will try to dig out facts and statistics to further analyse this.

You said I like argument a lot. May be that is what I learnt from this thread.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
Fabville: That is not correct. The first season he was bought to Utd in 2007/2008, he performed so well. He was a good replacement when Scholes got injured around October 2007 up until April when Scholes came back. He played so well during that season. He was one of the reason why we won the EPL and UCL then. Anderson is a box-to-box midfielder but his problem is that he is injury-prone. And he always have injuries that will keep him out for at least two months in a season. Aside that, he is a good midfielder.
Anderson sat on the bench in the semi final matches and came on only for penalties in the final. It was Hargreaves, Carrick and Scholes that played the major role in the midfield in crucial matches. Though Hargreaves was used as right back in some matches due to injuries to defenders. Except when he wasn't fully fit.

The only time Anderson was one of the first choice two midfielders was when Scholes was injured and Hargreaves had to manage games due to his ailing knee.


1st leg semi final

Barcelona: Valdes, Zambrotta, Marquez, Milito, Abidal, Xavi, Toure Yaya, Deco (Henry 77), Messi (Bojan 62), Eto'o, Iniesta.
Subs Not Used: Pinto, Gudjohnsen, Sylvinho, Giovanni, Thuram.

Booked: Marquez.

Man Utd: Van der Sar, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra, Ronaldo, Carrick, Scholes, Park, Rooney (Nani 76), Tevez (Giggs 85).
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Anderson, Pique, O'Shea, Silvestre.

.......

2ng leg semi final
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Hargreaves, Ferdinand, Brown, Evra (Silvestre 90), Park, Scholes (Fletcher 76), Carrick, Nani (Giggs 76), Ronaldo, Tevez.
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, Anderson, O'Shea, Welbeck.

Booked: Carrick, Ronaldo.

Goals: Scholes 14.

Barcelona: Valdes, Zambrotta, Puyol, Milito, Abidal, Toure Yaya (Gudjohnsen 88), Messi, Xavi, Deco, Iniesta (Henry 60), Eto'o (Bojan 72).
Subs Not Used: Pinto, Edmilson, Sylvinho, Thuram

......

Final.
Man Utd: Van der Sar, Brown (Anderson 120), Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra, Hargreaves, Scholes (Giggs 87), Carrick, Ronaldo, Tevez, Rooney (Nani 101).
Subs Not Used: Kuszczak, O'Shea, Fletcher, Silvestre.

Booked: Scholes, Ferdinand, Vidic, Tevez.

Goals: Ronaldo 26.

Chelsea: Cech, Essien, Carvalho, Terry, Ashley Cole, Ballack, Makelele (Belletti 120), Lampard, Joe Cole (Anelka 99), Drogba, Malouda (Kalou 92).
Subs Not Used: Cudicini, Shevchenko, Obi, Alex.

Sent Off: Drogba (116).

Booked: Makelele, Carvalho, Ballack, Essien.

Goals: Lampard 45.

Man Utd win 6-5 on penalties
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 7:32pm On May 22, 2013
@coded guy, players don't have to pay our school fees or salary before we analyze football based on our perception. All of us here have no direct link to Manchester United or EPL. We burn megabytes, time, energy to analyze the games and players.

Only Rafael, Vidic and RVP have not received bashing on this thread. Does it mean our players are so bad? Then SAF must be a magician.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 3:28pm On May 22, 2013
dademola: u talk of nani and co. Hw many of dem submitted a transfer request?? Even wen ronaldo(he was one of d top 3 playrs on d planet dt time oo) was yearning for a move to madrid, did he submit a transfer request?? Do u knw wot it means to submit a transfer request?? 2 within d last 3yrs for dt matter?? From a playa who appears to be past his best??haaa!! I feel insulted, as a man utd fan!!
Some are already complaining I am stressing Rooney's case too much. So I quit.

But lastly, Rooney went humbly to SAF to request to be transferred. It was a conversation that I heard. If he was rude about it, SAF would have shipped him sharp sharp. The first time it happened I was glad he reconsidered, just as I would have been glad if Ronaldo had reconsidered then.

RVP may have performed best this season, but there matches he wasn't just felt yet it was Rooney who would be substituted even if he was playing better. SAF did not balance that aspect and humans read and react to things in different ways. RVP went on a ten match drought and missed glaring chances against Chelsea in FA cup, against Madrid and a host of others. I guess SAF wanted to encourage him so that his confidence wouldn't drop. It isn't a good thing for your highest scorer to lost confidence.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:27am On May 22, 2013
Kagawa can beat a man and he has a good foot work. But if he were to beat a last defender from a 35 yards, he won't be able to complete the race to the goalkeeper without being caught. Valencia, Nani, Welbeck, Rooney and Chicharito have this force to outpace markers completely.

Next season will tell more of Kagawa. From the report from his old club, it seems he can offer big.

Does anyone have stat of Germans who have performed and flop in EPL? I.e players from Bundesliga.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:18am On May 22, 2013
coogar: more kagawa moments.....

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the rooney of 2007 would have scored from the kagawa lay-off!
Did we get the same value from Nani, Anderson and Evra as they did in 2008? No. Even Valencia has dropped form. No tree can make a forest. For anyone to get full concentration, he doesn't have to be running to defence every time.

But if Rooney wants to go, ok. If he can be stopped, that I want. When it is clear in the future we clearly have better guys, I will endorse his departure.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:11am On May 22, 2013
SailorXY: This Rooney butt licking don too much. He has asked to be transferred twice, why must you keep someone hostage in 2013? Allow him swim, replace with someone willing to be Man United who is better @ the moment or has the potential to be in future! THIS IS NOT ROCKET SCIENCE abeg
Staying or going is not the only issue. But some guys here paint him as if he is the club's problem. All his positives are ignored.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 9:06am On May 22, 2013
Honestly, I cannot come to terms how Rooney is so 'commonized'. When it comes to that last killer pass, Rooney and Giggs are the only two guys with same precision, accuracy, composure and intelligence. They know when it is to put it in the air or the ground and weather to curl it or bend it. They know exactly where or who their pull out (crossing) is to find. Some just shoot into the area,also some totally lack the pass of finishing sense. If Rooney does not have to go backward so deeply to join defence, he would have more goals and assists, and would be more of a threat. As I said, one season is not enough to write so badly about him, and I don't think he was so poor in the first place.

We are ready to be patient and rejuvenate Nani, Anderson and Valencia. But Rooney must die. Nani too has been holding the club to a ransom for a year now. SAF knew the value of these guys and doesn't want them to go.

All these players we are speculating, how are we sure they won't flop? There was a certain Cevsenko (is that the spelling?), Deko, Crespo, and even Tores, but the supposed finished Drogba kept taking them to the cleaners. Without RVP Rooney would be 20 goals plus.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 8:33am On May 22, 2013
dademola: kagawa can be our own david silva. He just nids to get used to d tempo of d EPL. Unfortunately, as things r, wayne rooney appears to be d clog in d wheels of kagawa's progress. Ts unfortunate dt an under-performing playa wants to leave d great man utd, and some pple r still clamouring for him to stay, based on past glory. Too bad!!
How is Wayne Rooney an under performing player? Rooney is one of our six best this season. Rooney is only under performing on his set standard, his average is still among the best in the EPL. You are talking of a player whose multiple role, 12 goals and 10 assist helped United to win the title. What did Silva and the rest win? We like to hate our own. The day Kagawa got a harick, if I remember well, Rooney had a hand in all of Kagawa's goals. I think Rooney gave two assists and was involved in the build up to the 3rd goal.

Most importantly, I don't see how Rooney affected Kagawa's progress. Rooney did not play in at least 11 matches, he also sacrificed that forward role o Kagawa in some matches they played together. Even if Rooney goes, Kagawa will still find it hard to break into the attack ahead of RVP, Chicharito, Welbeck, Nani and Young. What if there is a big signing coming?

So you believe Silva is more pivotal to team play than Rooney? And you supposed too he scores more or what? He plays along Toure and the rest, don't forget that too, yet they had to win on goals difference last year. This year, Rooney got two goals in Ethihad.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m):
dayokanu: Thats just gra gra. Football is played with common sense and not energy.

Check Messi, Iniesta, Mata, Oscar, Ozil, Gotze, Reus, Gundogan,

Football is played with sense and not energy. Thats why the above named played would always be considered tops before any Energetic, Muscular, Antonio Valencia and co
Messi is number one energetic player. You think those dribbling runs and outpacing markers are on indomie? Once Messi has dribbled you, you can't catch him. His headers too. Same with Ronaldo, Di Maria and Ozil. They run faster than anyone. You need energy to control the ball and still out-run your markers.
Pele
Ronaldinho
Maradonna
Ronaldo Lima
Ronaldo
Messi

All energetic men.
European Football (EPL, UEFA, La Liga) › Re: Official Manchester United Fan Thread:''20 Times EPL Champion by elampiro(m): 11:21pm On May 21, 2013
Van Persie puts sensational goalscoring form down to new 'Mr Muscle' physique

By Graeme Yorke

PUBLISHED: 15:33, 10 February 2013
Robin van Persie has credited his sensational recent form for Manchester United to his new muscular physique.

The 29-year-old forward has scored 22 times in 28 matches since his £24m summer move from Arsenal and says he is now more able to compete physically with defenders.

The Dutchman was in the starting line-up for United as they took on Everton at Old Trafford on Sunday afternoon.



Mr Muscle! Robin van Persie credit his prolific goalscoring form to bulking up, saying it allows him to compete with physical defenders

He said: 'I am on a streak of matches and goals that has never happened to me before and it is all down to my fitness.

 



'My body weight used to be around 77 kilos. Now I weigh 81 kilos. That is a difference of more than eight pounds - and it is all pure muscle.

'I haven't been spending more time in the gym lifting weights. I have got myself super-fit and as a result I am both heavier and stronger.

'It means I am stronger in battles with defenders, but I also feel like I am in the best condition of my life.'

With United competing on three fronts - the Barclays Premier League, FA Cup and European Champions League - it is crucial their key players can handle the packed fixture schedule.



On fire: Van Persie has scored 22 goals in 28 matches since joining Man United from Arsenal in the summer



Recovery: The Dutchman says his additional weight and fitness has allowed him to play two games a week without any injury concerns

And Van Persie doesn't foresee any problem in that regard.

He said: 'I also recover faster. The week before last, I played on Wednesday and Saturday.

'There was only two-and-a-half days between the games, yet I felt super-fit and had no trouble doing extra work in the final part of the game.'

 
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2276505/Robin-van-Persie-credits-Manchester-United-goalscoring-form-muscular-physique.html

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