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Pukkalolo:
You’re fundamentally wrong when you say “the moment you approach a woman, she automatically becomes the prize.”

That statement sounds clever, but it’s complete rooted in fear, not reality.
I'll get back to that in a moment… Let’s start with the basics you conveniently ignored.

First, cold approach is when you initiate conversation with to a complete stranger.... a woman who has zero prior knowledge of you. Yes, that comes with higher rejection risk.

But here’s what you’re missing: most Naija guys don’t even do cold approach

Go outside for one full month. Walk through malls, markets, streets, campuses, ShopRite, anywhere women gather during the day. Count how many guys you see walking up to a random girl they don’t know. You’ll be shocked… it’s extremely rare.

Most Nigerian guys are waiting for “interest signals,” church connections, or the girl to make the first move. They lack the balls to approach a female stranger.

So when you complain that cold approach has low ROI, you’re mostly talking about a very tiny minority of men who actually have the courage to even try. The rest are just spectators making excuses.

Now, back to your main claim: “The moment you approach, she becomes the prize.”

Firstly…

Female psychology doesn’t work that way. Forget the “I don't need a man” crap they are putting out there. Most woman see the guys they're attracted too on a daily basis. The reason why most women don't wanna approach these guys first is not because they are the prize, but because women are scared of rejection and being viewed as cheap...

Single women actually dress up, do makeup, take pictures, and go out HOPING a man with balls will approach them and sweep them off their feet. They are low-key scanning the environment, secretly wishing for the guy who has the balls to break the script.


Secondly…

The real reason most guys would get poor ROI from cold approach is not because it's cold approach… it’s HOW they do it. They’d spam approaches trying to harvest something (a phone number, validation). That desperate energy is what kills attraction.

The correct mindset for cold approach is TESTING THE WATERS , not harvesting.

For example…On last Friday evening, I saw a fine light-skinned girl pricing yam from a Hausa seller. When I got closer to her, I said, “Thank God you’re handling the yam. Let me go buy eggs so we can make yam and egg sauce this evening.”

Two possible outcomes:

1. She gives attitude, dry face, or ignores the bait: she failed the test. I smile, walk away, and continue my day. No ego damage, no wasted time.

2. She smiles, laughs, or plays along: she passed. Now I know she’s open to interacting with a stranger. From there, I express real intent and flow naturally.

She passed.

Most of my actual girlfriends and sexual experiences came from this exact mindset: test the waters fast, invest only in those who pass, move on from those who don’t.

With that approach and mindset, she's not the prize... I just gave her opportunity to follow my lead or get lost.

One last thing…

Most women would rather Bleep (or date) guys OUTSIDE their social circle so they can keep their dignity and avoid sexual judgment from people who know them.

Social circle game often comes with gossip, reputation risk, and pre-existing baggage.

Cold approach gives her a clean, exciting, “nobody has to know me and have Bleep” experience.

Some guys think that cold approach begins and ends at spamming many girls with "I like you".

But that just leads to a lot of shit test if she isn't attracted to you. If you persist for long enough you might later get the girl but for me that's just too much work. I'm here to have fun not to stress myself trying to win you over.

To consistently crack different girls using cold approach it requires you to get really good at game.

Getting good at game requires some trial and error and experimenting with different styles and methods to see what works best for you. That's why I always say don't be afraid to fail an approach. You will learn from it.

You can't even use another guy's method to get results because his identity and everything about his existence is quite different from yours but you can learn something from his style of approach, if you really try to understand why his approach works but there are somethings that work in general.

Cold approach is like a playing field for you to experiment many ideas in game and redpill. You will see a lot of things that the redpill has told you about and laugh.

You can't even get far with cold approach without developing this "Testing the waters approach" mindest. You need to have fun with it.

That's why in the past I posted something about playful banter. You shift your mindset from trying to score the girl for a minute to having fun in an interaction with a human. Amusing yourself by seeing how good you can whine someone.

If you see that girl is having fun too then you start escalating. (Although you should have started escalating slowly from the start)

But I get it, this might not be exciting to some guys. To each his own. Use

CaveAdullam:
Cold Approaching or Genuine Desire


The moment you approached a woman, she automatically becomes the PRIZE. There's no second thought about this.

How you decide to play the game and turn the table to make you the man become the prize is a tedious work of seduction that should either be saved or channelled to a woman that first like you.

The thing is that women have a particular men they love. This is aside financial and physical status. Meet any mature woman today, and she will tell you she loves this particular man. She will not wait for that man to approach her, rather she will get closer to the man and send greenlights. Another man chasing this kind of woman is mere wasting his time.

The humiliation ritual you'll face when cold approaching and the later rejection affects you psychologically no matter how much you all try to form Brocks Lesnar. "Oh, her lose, not mine". Bro shut the Bleep up! It is actually your lose because you were the one that approached her, she never cared about your existence not until you decide to jump into her radar.

This is where manipulative women are able to play their script, because they know that it's the man doing the chasing and as a hunter he will try all means to get her down to satiate his ego and increase his notch counts, and in this same process, alter these men into simps.

Not entirely disproving cold approaching women. But the ROI is extremely low and poor. Your only advantage is if you've good aesthetics in looks and good financial standing. You must be constantly showcasing your status to draw women's attention and as well understand how seduction works. And in most cases you end up being a simp. Because you're trying to force a relationship to happen where there should be none in the first place.

This doesn't means you can't seduce a stranger into your bed, but that's possible if you're doing it on a mutual ground, that's after creating some form of rapport rather than just jumping into her front and starts giving lines. She will definitely see you as a 🤡.

Fun fact: every man also has one or two women vying for their attention. The problem is that men don't know how to pick signals from women and/or these women making sexual advances are not sexually appealing to the men.

It's a dilemma: the woman you lust over don't love you; the woman who loves you, you don't lust over.

The thing here is that, in the intersexual dynamics, the relationship moves easier when it's the woman that likes you first. She'll do everything to make the relationship work. That's what is termed Genuine desire.
Reverse cannot be the case because women want to give reverence and adulation for their men and end up being protected by these men.

Stop shooting aimlessly.

Look for the few women that have genuine desire for you and you'll enjoy the game of seduction and the interplay of love and romance.

You mentioned that every man has one or two women vying for his attention, and that the problem is men don’t recognize the signals.

If that’s true, it actually strengthens the case for cold approach.

Because if a man cannot recognize signals, cannot act on them, and cannot build attraction even when interest exists, then telling him to “wait for genuine desire” doesn’t solve his problem because he has a "skills issue".

And that’s where cold approach becomes useful. Not because it’s the best way to get women, but because it forces a man to develop the awareness, confidence, and social calibration needed to even recognize and respond to those signals in the first place.

Without these skills, it doesn't even matter if “women who like him” exist, because he cannot convert that interest into anything real.

You say the woman becomes the prize the moment you approach. I disagree. She only becomes the prize if the man is operating from scarcity. If he has an abundance mindset, cold approaching is like a playing ground for him to have fun and amuse himself.

Also, rejection is not inherently psychologically damaging. It becomes damaging only when a man is attached to outcomes he cannot control. Otherwise, it’s just useful feedback that he can use to develop himself. The same way going to the gym exposes your weakness before it helps you builds up strength.

For example, before I started cold approaching, I used to think looks didn't matter much to women. I now realise they matter more than I had initially thought. They can overlook looks but that comes with a lot of stress and shit test that I believe isn't worth it.

That realization pushed me to invest more in myself. So when I see claims that women value men who invest in themselves more than men who spend money on them, I nod in agreement drawing from my personal experience.

I also learnt that physical touch is a powerful tool in seduction, along with many other nuances that are difficult to fully explain in this post.

The idea that men should avoid cold approach because of low ROI ignores something important, cold approach is low ROI for results, but high ROI for skills and skills is what creates results.

You don’t learn confidence, social awareness, or emotional control by waiting for women to choose you. You develop those traits by putting yourself in situations where they are needed.

I agree that genuine desire from a woman makes everything easier. But the reason cold approach is less effective is not because it doesn’t work, it’s because it often encourages men to be direct too early. And it’s difficult to make someone feel something for you just because you openly express interest. That usually only works if you’re already highly attractive or high status.

But in terms of developing the required skills that can attract them consistently, very few things come close to cold approach.

At some point, yes, a man should rely more on selecting women who show interest. But skipping the phase where he builds the necessary skills is like expecting results without training.

I don’t see cold approach and genuine desire as opposites. A man should use both. Cold approach is a training tool.

Approach with intention until you no longer need to approach.

That’s when genuine desire actually starts working in your favor.

The thing about confidently approaching girls is you have to become outcome independent. Meaning that you should not care what the outcome is whether you get a number or reaction from her or not. It doesn't matter. Don't be afraid to fail or say something ridiculous.

When I started, I followed a linear progression.
The first week I greeted everyone I saw on the road. Some people won't even reply to your greetings but that was my first lesson, that the goal isn't to get a reaction from them but to take the action and greet them.

From there the next week I would approach girls that I liked the way they looked and say "Excuse me, I'm actually about to go but I thought you looked cute/pretty/fine" then say "Okay have a good day" and leave.

The week after that I would go up to them and say "Excuse me, I think you are attractive and I would like to get to know you" then talk to her for some minute if there is time. Don't worry about what to say, just vibe by asking her questions about herself, teasing her, touching and good eye contact.

But telling girls you like them directly is poor game unless they are attracted to you already even if you have money they will just see you as maga but you need to start from somewhere to build your confidence.

Also this is very important, make sure you look good and smell good. Look like you take good care of yourself.

Nancyeke:
So I made this post more than 3 years ago.

I most say it has gotten worse!

https://www.nairaland.com/6965099/how-improve-relationship-people

My relationship with people is just zero.

I feel like people just choose to always be against me.
I keep making one mistake or the other when trying to choose people

Study stoicism, hit the gym and care of yourself hygiene wise.

Chilipepper:
Nigerian lady shares why she can never send money to a man.

"My mommy used to count the number of salt" kind of vibe.

Familymatterss:
I moved into a new apartment early last year, and I've enjoyed the change of scenery.

There's this single lady in the compound, likely to be in her late 20s, she is beautiful and attractive. I'm very much interested in her, but I'm concerned about being rejected and the awkwardness of seeing her regularly if she turns me down. I also worry about how it might affect our interactions with other neighbors if she were to share that I approached her with other neighbors.

Should I take the risk and ask her out, or should I respect the boundaries of our neighborly relationship? If you think I should pursue her, what's the best way to approach her, considering I have her contact from our WhatsApp group?

As some guys have advised you, don't ask her out. Just try to get close to her and joke with her whenever you see her. Then slowly make her feel comfortable coming into your room or just invite her over to watch a movie with you.

Biodun1929:
Thanks for this. I have a 70 year old diabetic aunt that likes coke too much. Her kids have fought her so much and even asked my dad to talk to her, but this woman no hear o. She will drink coke, and then take insulin shot. I was there last week with my parents, and when they asked her why she keeps taking coke, she said she always feels tired, but when she takes coke, she gets a boost of energy.

Your breakdown makes me understand her a little.

Not a doctor o but I feel the reason your aunt feels tired all the time might actually be because of her habit of drinking Coke and constantly injecting insulin afterward.

Emaboss:
😳 Wow,

Surprised a bit, but here's my question.

How do I develop confidence?.
Confidence to even talk

Hey, I've been meaning to write you a response, it's just that I haven't the time or motivation to write a long ass response but I'll give you this.

When you say "Confidence to even talk" I'm assuming you mean talk to girls.
Before I started approach girls, I had to let go of this ego/pride mindset that approaching a girl puts you at the risk of inflating a girl's self esteem/ego at the expense of yours.

Which is a coping mechanism by the way and one that's seemingly wrong because your self esteem shouldn't come from external sources. Stoicism helped me realise that.

Another thing it helped me with is discovering the definition of confidence which is:

Confidence is knowing that even if the outcome doesn't go the way you wanted, you are okay.

Asin nothing spoil. She didn't respond well? Fine, you didn't die. It didn't take anything from you. And that's what you need to train your brain and your mind to understand.

Most guys that have anxiety talking to women have it because they think too much about the outcome. They see a fine girl, their minds immediately brings different scenarios of the girl rejecting them and they end up not approaching or saying what they want to say. Which means they just put their brain through episodes of brutal rejections just for nothing. Meaning they suffer more in imagination than in reality.

Trust me, bro, understanding this mindset takes time but you need to uninstall whatever operating system your mind is working on now and install this.

Confidence is a state where you trust yourself that no matter the outcome you will be able to handle it because you have been handling all uncertainty that life has thrown at you since the day you were born.

There are a lot of things I want to say about this and when I explain things, I like to break down the process bit by bit. I don't like giving half answers. I like to pour out all that's in my mind and it makes me understand my thinking process better.

Plus I wish someone had explained this to me when I was just starting out. That's why I said I was going to make a thread but I don't think I can at the moment. Hope you can make something out of this response.

Funny. I had this same experience when I was in SS2 during one maths olympiad competition. The invigilator said "10 minutes more". Then I looked at my answer sheet and I saw I was in question 16 out of 50. The tension was too much.

PP123:
Any girl way no get profile pictures for her profile na scam

Beware brr

Why do you say that bro?

Mikel99:
No, I don't Smell at all. I am very hygienic

When I say smell I think you know I mean the two kind. BO and MO. Some people brush twice a day but still have MO. So you might have to go a step further.

Do you floss daily?
Do you use mouthwash?
Do you use tongue scraper?

If you are very sure you don't smell at all then your problem most likely lies in your body language and your conversational skill.

Also one thing you can note is that people usually like to spend time with people who make them feel good about themselves but that doesn't mean you should start giving out compliments anyhow (because that will create the opposite effect). Like I said the key is being playful. Make fun of things about them that they won't take personal.

For example just yesterday I was on a queue and there was a tall fine girl that was one person in front of me (she was the same height as me). Without thinking I just said "Fine girl, you are very tall o" with a playful tone then she turned, looked at me and smiled... then I kept poking fun at her height and she was very open to talk.

Another thing is you should know how to poke fun at yourself. Don't take things and yourself seriously. If you have fun spending time with yourself, people will also have fun spending time with you.
Once you have this mindset your body language will naturally take note and you will be more relaxed.

Another thing is you should focus more on things that are in your control and pay less attention to people's reaction. You will also need this mindset if you really want to be playful. Hope this helps.

Mikel99:
I don't know. Whenever I make eye contact with girls or want to ask something from them, they seem to frown or kind of give me facial impression that they don't want to talk to me. This happens to me a lot at school or with random strangers. I have even noticed that I am the only one who is treated that way. In fact, girls don't sit beside me for long but you will see same girls sitting with other guys for hours. I asked my friend if it's because I am ugly. They said nothing is wrong with me that I am good looking. Trust me, I am the most cheerful guy you will ever meet and it's not as if I frown everytime or something. I sometimes think that it's because I am good looking, but what baffles me is that girls act cheerfully around guys that I can say are more handsome than me. I dress well so I don't know what is wrong.
Is there anyone here going through the same situation as me?

Have you checked to see if you are giving off any offensive odor. It's not something that people will have the confidence to tell you and you might not even be aware of it. Once you are sure you smell nice all the time then next thing to do is...

You should be aware not everyone is comfortable with strangers (it might be because they are shy, not in the mood to talk, or they are trying not to say something messed-up e.t.c). If you want to stand out, it's up to you to make them comfortable talking to you.

Have a smile on your face and be aware of the tone of your voice (you want a playful tone) when you are talking to them and learn how to make fun of them to amuse yourself. I call this "Playful Banter". Sometimes when I make eye contact with girls I give them a wink. The key is just be playful. You said you are usually cheerful. I don't know what that means to you but I suggest you switch it out for being playful.

Your body language is also something you should keep in mind.

If none of these tips work then it's just better you accept things as they are. Meaning as far as your smell nice, worrying about how to get people to like you is outside your control and you should better turn your focus on things you can control.

imustsaymymindo:
You lost me here, bro. Still don't see the shit test connection. I can't speak further on this.

Let me be sure we are on the same page. Did you read the initial post I wrote that prompted Martinez to ask me those questions?

imustsaymymindo:
Women shit-tests constantly to know where to place you in the hypagamy. Either as the beta bucks or Alpha f*cks.

There are alphas who have becomes beta, most times in marriage or relationships, and shit testing helps to constantly know which part you are on in the current run to know how to deal with you.

So to answer your question. Women shit test anything alpha, beta, omega lol. It's just a tool that helps the hypergamous ideal. Just as men can use dread or other tools to aid their abundance or polygamous ideal.

So my question now would be, how do you relate this to the original topic on physical attractiveness?

I'm not really satisfied with your answer.
If alpha f*ck is really based only on physical attractiveness, why do women need to shit test men when physical attractiveness is pretty obvious, as in you know when someone is fine or not. You don't need to do a test for that.

Why does she shit test men when she is in her alpha f*ck phase? After all, in your opinion, she is just looking for someone with good genes. If she is just looking for a guy with good genes why does she need to shit test him especially when she hasn't seen him with other women.

Why does physical attractiveness in male (apart from facial structure) mostly consist of broad shoulders, deep voice, v-taper, height (mostly things that evolutionarily shows that he can provide) why not fat ass, sexy hips, soft voice etc?

imustsaymymindo:
Yes. It's kinda all over the place. You kinda brought different perspectives in this last post that I would have loved to align with the original physical attractiveness discussion better - or maybe it is because it is through text like you said.

Like for example I asked why do you think women shit test or do you think they don't shit test alphas too.

imustsaymymindo:
Yes. It's kinda all over the place. You kinda brought different perspectives in this last post that I would have loved to align with the original physical attractiveness discussion better - or maybe it is because it is through text like you said.

Ask specific questions let me see what I can do.

imustsaymymindo:
While we are on the same page with most sides of your assertions, especially the hypergamous and polygamous strategies, I feel the need to stress some points on the physical attractiveness side of things.

IMO, physical attractiveness and other possible traits that can be passed down in genes rank high for women majorly for the alpha f*cks side of things. It may not rank in marriage, or any form of exclusive relationship that is not just sex only, because women would oftentimes do that with the betas. Now both betas and alphas can be physically attractive, but women don't have any need for the physical attractiveness of a beta - they only need its bucks(security, provisioning, protection).

Same logic - qualities such as confidence, charm, responsibility, etc. are also qualities a beta who is fulfilling his beta bucks side of things could also possess. There are betas with confidence and charm and even could be better at taking responsibility.

So...Things just get easier when we rather define Alphas this way:

Alpha - the guy that every girl wants to f*ck, and every guy wanna be.

When you see it this way you'd understand physical attractiveness is important for women in their alpha f*cks i.e. any form of physicalities that makes every girl wanna f*ck him and every guy wanna be him e.g. muscles, height, whatever. The other esoteric things such as confidence, charms, etc come from options - being chosen by many - from abundance majorly, maybe also having the abundance mindset(the foundation of game).

Even though the Alpha possesses confidence which is nice to women - women don't need it tbh, the betas at the end of the day do most of the job of provisioning and protecting. The alpha's job is to f*ck and pass good genes. Physical attractiveness can be passed, those esoteric things like confidence and charm are not directly passed, but of course, can be an output of what was passed. For instance, someone with good genetic physical traits can't have confidence passed to him but could be confident as a result of physical attributes that was passed to him.

Okay if I understand correctly, in your opinion, the alpha f*ck side of the equation is mostly about physical attractiveness while the other three qualities don't matter as much right? Well I can only agree with you if you can explain why women shit test?

Also what do you think Rollo meant by "Women would rather share an alpha male than be with a faithful beta male"

Why do women start seeking betas just around the time alphas are no longer interested in messing around with them?

Secondly one thing you should understand is it's not how a man looks that makes him alpha. It's how he behaves. You said it yourself that both an alpha male and a beta male can be physically attractiven which is true. What separates them is their behavior and attitude.

It's is of my opinion that no man can possess all those three characteristics and still be a beta male. Most people who are seen as alpha in any sector in life exhibit this characteristics in that sector e.g very successful C.E.O, leaders, very wealthy business men etc. but it doesn't mean they have those characteristics when it comes to women. They just have those characteristics in their line of work that's why they are seen as alphas there.

Also when I say "Responsibility" I don't mean financial responsibility I think I mentioned that before.

"Alpha - the guy that every girl wants to f*ck, and every guy wanna be"

This statement alone contains many things that at first are not at obvious to the eyes.

For example why do you think this quote didn't include " and a guy that wants to f*ck other girls"? Was it a coincidence or was he trying to tell you where the line is?

You might have the intention to f*ck other girls but the moment you say it with your mouth you have failed. You can demonstrate but don't tell. That's where the "Charming" quality comes in. Women want you to have standards but they also want to fit into those standards so they can feel special. When you decide to pay attention to her when you could have decided to give it to someone else.

This is why sometimes women give shit test like
"I bet you say that to other girls" or "How many girls have you slept with" once they suspect you are a player and you fail once you give them an honest answer.

That's why it's better to frame things as other girls are chasing you than for you to frame it as you are chasing other girls.

Honestly my thoughts are all over the place and it's not easy to break all this things down over text so let me just pause here. I'm not sure I'm mentally able to touch on all the things you said in just one post.

Martinez39s:
Good day, bro. I found your perspective on hypergamy quite interesting and I wanted you to shed more light on it. Personally, I have always gone with the perspective of hypergamy as the inherent mate selection strategy of females when it comes to marriage: you know, the practice of marrying above or, at least, equal to one's socioeconomic status.

Just like you, I'm aware of the female dual mating strategy: alpha f*cks, beta bucks. However, unlike you, I have never included the phenomenon of being sexually turned on by a member of the opposite sex (and, of course seeking to f*ck that member) as an instance of hypergamy.

Now, if being turned on or finding someone sexually attractive is a subconscious biological mechanism to acquire the best genes for one's offspring and you include this as another aspect of hypergamy, would YOU say, by your own perspective on hypergamy, that men are also hypergamous... in this regard? (my first inquiry). Would you apply the term 'hypergamy' to men? Of course, we all know what men are biologically wired to find attractive in women and I don't think I disagree with you on that.

I'm always happy to share my view especially with someone as knowledgeable as yourself. I will try my best to answer your questions as best as I can from my own perspective.

First of all I think we need to start from the top.

The goal (for a lack of better term) of human life is survival. Every organism or species's basic goal is to survive. Reproduction is a form of survival meaning a part of you remains in this world after you die.
Which is why every living thing reproduces.

Now although the need to reproduce is also in women, they are also exposed to more risk during pregnancy and after pregnancy. e.g death during childbirth, inability to fend for themselves and defend against danger during pregnancy, inability to acquire resources to take care of her offsprings and her needs due to being less developed physically than the opposite sex.

Her male counterparts on the other hand don't have these issues. He can go about spreading his seeds as much as he wants. Which is why they say men are polygamous. A man can f*ck an attractive girl and also an unattractive girl. It's a game of numbers to him even though through evolution he knows the type of women more likely to give him healthy offsprings he still might not care cause it's a numbers game to him. Which is why you don't really say men are hypergamous. Men also don't need women to provide resources for them because they are physically built to do that. They just need women that can take care of the domestic stuff while they go out hunting and gathering.

It's not that women are actually look for two mates to fulfill the dual aspect of their mating strategy. It's just that finding a mate that embodies the two (alpha f*ck, beta buck) is really difficult. They would prefer a mate who is an alpha to commit to them but that is easier said than done because most alphas are more interested in spreading their seeds.
Which is why it is necessary to split.

You mentioned three things that rank high in attractiveness (I presume you meant sexual) for women:
1. Confidence
2. Charming (Can you make her feel special)
3. Responsibility (Can you lead her)

If given these three things and I added the quality of being physically attractive (sexually appealing) as a guy, what number would you rank physical attractiveness compared to the three aforementioned qualities? I am just curious on this. (my second inquiry)

Physical attractiveness is not ranked the highest in terms of female mating strategy because our bodies are not the vessels that carry the offsprings. What is more important for women is how you behave during pregnancy and after her pregnancy because those are the times she is most vulnerable, which is why she has to shit test you to really know if you possess those qualities. There really is no rank per say. Physical attractiveness is also among the qualities that women look for because nobody intentionally wants to create an ugly offspring. They would like to give their offspring the best qualities in order to ensure their long term survival and reproductive advantage. So the ranking of those three is really arbitrary but if you don't possess any of those three qualities, women won't look your way. A man can't even be alpha if he doesn't possess all three.

Being fit is also an evolutionary sign to women that you are capable of defending and providing resources for her.
Also you being physically attractive and giving her attention is a way of making her feel special because you could have given your attention to any other girl but you chose her

My last set of questions, no vex:

● Do you agree that a man can be financially attractive a woman while not being sexually attractive to her?

Yes that's what happens when the man can't fulfill the alpha f*ck part of the equation yet he has the financial resources to take care of her and her offsprings (beta buck)

● Do you agree that a woman, for long-term survival reasons, can associate with a man and pick him as her potential husband for pragmatic reasons even though she doesn't find him sexually appealing? The pragmatic reason could be that he is the best financial option hence would provide for the family well, and then maybe things like being a good father, and what have you.

Yes but if she can find a better option than him that can fulfill both equations of her mating strategy she won't

● When it comes to marriage, do women marry because they find a man handsome and sexually appealing? Is it not the case that there are more pressing pragmatic reasons (reasons that must be met first) being considered other than that?

Which is why I said physically attractiveness doesn't rank high for women. What's more important to them is how you behave during pregnancy (whether the child is yours or not) and after pregnancy.
Women marry because that's the best option she has at the moment that can at least fulfill a part of her dual mating strategy

😂😂 the redpill is a praxeology. The topic being debated has roots in biology and neuroscience but of course you don't expect someone with the comprehension skill of a two year old child to know the difference.

Anyway let me continue jerking off to my books.

CaveAdullam:
Having a good understanding about human behavior in matters of social interactions is very necessary.

Many of us are not ready to learn. We are just after validating our opinions because our ego is so much attached to it.

The worst about Mr. Rizz, is that he has conceptualized his personal experience as a wholesale possibility on a large demography.

He has good points. No denial about that.
Sigh.

This is very easy to understand.

A man can Bleep an unattractive woman and still cum same thing can't be said about women.

Between a dog you give a bland bone to and it devours it in seconds, salivate and still ask you for more.

And an other dog who won't eat the bland bone like that, unless you cook the bone to a certain degree then put other things on top of the bone before it can eat it.

Who would you say enjoys bone more.

I know where he is coming from but he is not smart enough to debate his case which is why he resorts to shaming tactics.

Dizzyyish:
Please don't start 2025 quoting trolls & redpill detractors.

Correction taken

Martinez39s:
This back and forth serves no purpose and it isn't productive. Long before now, the discussion deviated from the civility and manner with which redpillers handled discussions.

Happy New Year.

I understand sha. I just couldn't resist the temptation to push his button lol.

Rizzputin:
Quote me once you start having sex with women and not jerking off to books

Lol no problem sir. Quote me when you are no longer retarded.

Rizzputin:
Dear lord. Are you guys actually having sex with women?
Sexual pleasure is about enjoyment, depth and satisfaction

It takes women longer to get satisfied. Meaning they require more pleasure to get satisfied. Meaning they require more stimulation experience that satisfaction. Their orgasms are also stronger and more than men

How don't you guys get this?

And it's Not just my hypothesis. Go and ask any real playa getting laid. They'll tell you the same thing

Don't ask red pillers like yourself. Majority of you have limited experience to speak on this. Go ask guys with real experience (NOT books) and they'll you how much more women love sex.

This is real life. Not books

Lol okay casanova. I think I know what the problem is. It's your level of comprehension which I realize is something you have to solve by yourself.

So this is my final attempt to break it down and make it easier for you to understand.

You said here

"Women have more sexual pleasure than men" (Which is a generalization)

"Sexual pleasure is about enjoyment, depth and satisfaction."

Now I ask. What is more satisfying during sex than an orgasm?

Secondly between men and women who generally ends up reaching orgasm more during sex?

So Mr. Casanova. Like I said what you have is a comprehension problem and your sole experience and the hypothesis you formed from it doesn't count in the grand scheme of things.

Rizzputin:
Men have higher sex drives. Women have higher sexual pleasure. Sex drive and Sexual pleasure ARE NOT the same thing

Women have more perverted thoughts and feelings than men.

Women experience more pleasure and enjoyment in sex than men.

Women fantasize more than men.

Women are willing and do more sexually wild things than men.

Again, are you actually having sex with women or talking from an evolutionary book?

I agree with caveadullam's take but you might be right about some of the things you said.

For example you said Sex drive and Sexual pleasure are not the same which is true but in both case, it's still men that top.

In order for you to realize that, ask yourself what is the ratio of men to women that reach orgasm during sex and that will reveal the answer on who experiences more sexual pleasure.

Now, I don't know if women have the potential to experience more sexual pleasure than men because the way they get turned on is a little different than men and most men don't know how to turn women on, so that might be the reason.

So, all in all, your hypothesis is just based off your own experience which is limiting.

Martinez39s:
I still have this in mind. I wanted to ask questions concerning your interesting understanding of hypergamy. Unfailingly, I will ask by weekend since that's the time I am free to follow up. I just want to clarify some things.

Wonderful New Year. Cheers.

Alright my G. I'm open to any discussion as far as it will further extend my understanding of the topic.

Happy New Year to you too bro and
Happy Red New Year to all the Redpillers in the house.

Uptheante:
My own personal opinion which might be unpopular among redpill folks here.

By this time he doesn't even have to put in much effort or spend much to get pussy because girls keep on flocking to him, trying to outdo each other for his dick & attention.
He could easily yell & insult any girl that asks him for money & they don't leave because they know he has so many options......
Married women also picked interest in him & even found it a thing of pride to be bleeped by Mr. Bidemi that so many women are craving for.
He ended up fucking more than 75 women before he relocated to the UK

In all of these, the initial stimulus was his money. He used it to attract pretty Zainab first, then when other women noticed a pretty girl around him, they also got interested & submitted their kpekus.
Other women also saw his success in banging women & also submitted out of curiosity & love for competition with each other.

My message to niggas who do not have the looks or bad boy skills to attract women, but they have money to entice them is simple.
Use that money, attract a pretty girl (they all like money), then when you have drilled her, make sure other girls see you with her.
They will most likely be attracted to you also & will fall easily. Make sure you also Bleep them well without catching any feeling for any of them.
Each of them will know that you have options & will love to easily submit pussy to you to keep your attention. Their shakara will drop & you may no longer be using money to get kpekus again.
Women like men that other women like & will always compete for such man in a bid to outdo each other

Gracias!

Lol all this is easier said than done. Come back to reality bro.

Pukkalolo:
Since you said I should “try to reduce as much ambiguity as possible” while writing about this.

In that case, I will write about this later on this thread, because I need to reference a lot of experience from my own personal interaction with women. So that you really grab the concept.


Fucking with a woman's emotions is about giving her what I call “Raw Shock Value”

Alright bro. I figured this was what you were talking about because that's kind of what I do too.

I call it "Playful Banter" and of recent I stumbled on one of Harddon's thread and we all pretty much have the same concept in mind but just maybe different mode of execution and different names we call the concept.

I look forward to your complete breakdown of the concept because I recently came to it's realization after I started cold approaching so I'm still getting used to it.

In the beginning of my cold approach journey I used to ask boring questions but I'm happy that I was able to figure it out on my own. Then I realized that's the same concept a bunch of people have been talking about but I couldn't understand because they weren't clear on what one should do.

That's why I decided to call mine playful banter because I feel it best describes the concept better and I have a post I'm working on that explains it but I look forward to your breakdown of the concept. I would like to learn one or two.

Peace.

tobby20:
Don't bother keep the energy for the cold that is killing u this December

😂😂. Who are you? How did you know cold is killing me this December. Nice one bro. You are one funny clown 🤡.

Bandirao:
This is me a highly Introverted person iam always reserved on myself even as a child I can spend the Whole week indoor reading or playing and my parent seems not to bother with it my father is even proud of me because I like reading all the times, but recently I noticed that my level of introversion is seriously threatening my personality, I will turn 20 next March and as a student I don't communicate a lot even with my classmates because I don't participate on most

I'm an introvert and I used to be a shy one but then I started cold approaching girls and discovered stoicism.
Now I don't feel uncomfortable around people anymore.
Sometimes I try to go but to my shell but my routine prevents me from doing that. For example one of my routines is to greet everybody is see on the road.

Forget what people say approaching girls on the streets or any place is the best way to build up your confidence because it translates to other areas of your life.

I'm planning to create a thread on cold approaching later on cause I know there are some people that will need it.

OG316:
At the bolded, could you please explain how

Yeah so I'm not ready to share the post yet. I'm still working on it but the least i can say is it's playful banter. It's kinda of like what you do with your guys but with girls you might have to tone it down a little.

The difference between it and an insult is the tone of your voice and also you say it with a smile.

That's how I build rapport with girls I approach, and with girls in general.

When I share the post you will understand better.

ViperX:
Forget all these games. If you bleep with her emotions , she will cheat on you again and again until she replaces you with the guy she is cheating on you with.


I think what he’s trying to say is that when you act unsure, unpredictable or not overly interested in her this will make her want you more and try to get more attached emotionally with you.

Don’t just give in all your emotions toward a woman, make her feel you have options and she could be replaced at anytime.

Yeah I think that's it. I even have a post that I have worked on and saved that explains my own way to covertly communicate the IDGAF attitude.

I just want him to explain what his own way is so that we can learn and understand better and maybe add to ours.