₦airaland Forum

oldie:
I am already part of the solution, by living in the system!
I do believe in education too. And in my own little way, I have been able to contribute to my profession, by educating the young graduates, to do it right, professionally and ethically.
It takes the efforts of all to make it work.
No abradacabra solution to these problems, definitely not your extremist option. I abhor violence.
I still believe we can make Nigeria work. I am convinced
Nigeria is not a hopeless case.
Or am I deluded?

Believe it or not I abhor violence too but at the same time I do genuinely believe that a such a radical extremist option is required given the current circumstances.

Well done for doing your part. If only there were more like you,

Kobojunkie:
The topic is about Nigeria and not about other countries and what their state and situation is. Why continously compare our state with that of others?? Is that a way to create an atmosphere where we feel we are ok since others are doing same?? How does that help the case of things in the country??

@Poster, I disagree. My point being that we have a culture that gravitates towards the bad and tends to glorify the bad but rarely focuses or gives the same airtime to the good that is happening. Majority of Nigerians who are in the corruption business were lured to it by the fact that they have been innundated from time with stories of how the thieves live large and comfortable and how the good and hardworking folks continue to suffer. These people get fed up and move to the dark side after years of watching the situation in the country continue to crumble while the rich keep getting richer.

Solution: Have Media take some of the focus off the corrupt and place it more on those who actually deserve to get airtime for the good work they do.

I agree with your assessment and I still conclude that this is the reason why they are inherently corrupt because of all you have mentioned. Maybe we are getting our definition of 'inherently' mixed up.

I do agree that the media could have more of a positive impact on the masses if they were allowed but would the government be for that? It seems that when some want to positive things in Nigeria they are always blocked somewhere by someone who wants their 'benefit' first.

@ Depilot

Thanks for your input.

When several billions of oil revenue go missing regularly and the only thing we have to show for it are a few pot bellied politicians with private jets, children being educated in the most exclusive expensive institutions around the world and several million dollar mansions in the heart of London and NY then something about that culture is inherently corrupt.

When a London court agrees to lift the freeze on assets of a certain Nigerian politician because one of his Nigerian political colleagues wrote a letter saying that there was no case to answer and Nigerian people rejoice even though most are living in squalor and cannot even afford to feed themselves three times a day or send their children to school, a decent one at that, then again yes, without a doubt, something is inherently wrong! Corruption is expected and normal in Nigerian society. I doubt that anyone in the countries you mentioned could get away with pilfering their countries assets while more than half of their citizens lived below the poverty line. But by most accounts, they can in Nigeria.

funkybaby:
@tats
Agreed us and other eu countries give visas valid for weeks but the fact remains that uk is a MAJOR tourist attraction. Uk government generates billions of pounds via various means from tourists-so many shopping malls,clothing lines and companies in uk will collapse without the influx of tourists. Fine-they might try to discourage illegal immigration and it might in the long term affect their economy. Cos i have sat down to think- uk has nothing! No gold, no oil, nothing! Just an ideal location to shop, shop and shop. Not forgetting the billions of pounds they make every year from 'international' students.

P.s am making this comment from a tourist point of view.

I doubt that they will lose much money from tourism seen as most of the tourists who come to spend money are either from the US, The European Union and other countries where one one doesn't need a visa to visit the UK, including Japan.

The new change is cleverly aimed at those who do need a visa and in most cases make full use of their six month's allowance in the UK.


Another note; Rich people from countries that do require a visa to visit won't need sponsorship  and definetly won't need to spend more than 3 months in the UK anyway.
You are correct that the UK may not have much in terms of resources and by making this amendment to their law it helps towards only getting those in who are more likely to spend rather than illegally earn money to send back home.

These people love making money over here. By the time that £1000 is paid to the embassy as a bond and sat in an high interest account for three months a tidy sum would have been generated in interest. All they will have to do is give you your £1000 back as promised after sponsored person goes back and keep the interest for themselves. Last year several millions of visas were granted to the UK so we are talking big money here if everyone were to pay £1000 a pop.

oldie:
@EloSela
Dont get me wrong. These things happen. I would be deluding myself if I thought otherwise.
We meet these types of frustrations everyday here.
Some of us are determined to stick with the system and possibly make a positive change
On the other hand, I do not have any probs with "awol Nigerians"

My believe is just that you can impact the system better if you live in the system.

What are your own solutions to these problems?

I am a big advocate on education and I think that in order to eradicate such attitudes and nepotism that thrives in the current society in Nigeria we need to start from the roots; and that is with our young children still in Primary school. It surely is a difficult task seen as it would be hard to immunize them from the ones who already have the code of corruption built solidly into their systems but that would be a start.

Another course of action which I have hinted on before and may seem extremist or controversial to some is to get to get a no-nonsense Sadaam Hussein type character to lead the state. This person would obviously be seen as a Dictator in the Western Hemisphere but I am of the firm belief that all these western ideals that the leaders of Nigeria past and current have been practicing do not work well when dealing with Nigerians at all.
We need a leader that will be brutal in his/her approach to corruption. Name and shame and public executions are necessary in order to wipe out this stain on Nigeria’s character.

What are your suggestions? If you have any…

oldie:
I was not being personal with my comments. I apologise if it sounded so.
But my observation is the general trend.

I didn't think you were getting personal but rather making assumptions based on the fact that I am based in the UK.

Because you think some category of people should behave some way, when money/integrity is involved.
No, it does not work that way, even with Nigerians. When you start treating people based on categorisation, then there is a probelm.

, And back to the topic, whatever any one would say, I still believe, this is the best country in the world. We have our problems, so also other countries. These are problems that are solvable. Problems are not solved by running away from them!

I try not to make any grand assumptions when dealing with Nigerians but at times it can be quite difficult. It shouldn’t be too much to ask to simply be able to go into a supposedly government funded rundown primary school to distribute books, shoes and pens and other necessities for the teachers to be happy that the very children they teach are getting some well deserved educational gifts, which will aid their school work without them trying to see what personal gain they can get out of it for themselves.

I was able to do the same thing in The Gambia without any problems but why in Nigeria did I have to bribe the teachers to let me in? I can give you many examples of when people’s good intentions being taken for granted because the people who were able to enable these intentions were too concerned about ‘ de one wey dey go chop for inside’.

While in The Gambia I met a group of African American students who were actively doing great things for the poor children of Banjul. In fact these students had taken it upon themselves to sponsor the education of several children. Would such a feat be achievable in Nigeria without someone trying to pour san san in the gari of these children, in an attempt to get some benefit for themselves? I asked several of these students if they had ever thought about going to Nigeria and their responses left a lot to be desired and I as a Nigerian can’t say that I blamed them. Yes some were ready to go to Ghana or maybe Kenya to do the same but Nigeria? Hell no! And by the way these students had actually been to Nigeria.

Another such example that comes to mind is when a London Stockbroker friend of mine (British Nigerian) wanted to start up a company in Lagos which would have created at least 200 hundred well needed jobs in the city. In order to broker this deal he needed government approval which should have been easy to get. But after having been met with more than enough requests for ‘Chop money’ every step of the way he gave up in frustration.

I can go on and on.

As I said I hate to make assumptions but this behaviour tends to be an innate characteristic. Na condition make crayish bend no be so?

Nigeria has the potential to be great but with the current 'Eat or be eaten' attitude that will not happen anytime soon.

oldie:
You may not find it easy to resettle because of your mindset that every one back home wants to take advantage of you!
Some of you "returnees" still treat some of us with mistrust and out right very condescending and patronising manner.

Many returnees are too "english" or "american" to integrate

Well you don’t know me to say what my approach was. Some of the people who took advantage of me and my efforts actually surprised me because I never would have guessed that they were capable of behaving in such a way. I suppose when money all decency and rationale goes flying out of the window.

oldie:
Stereotyping again!
I am sure the writer does not stay in Nigeria. I do
A typical Nigerian believes that hard work pays.
And I see it everyday on the streets of Lagos.

They may do but when everyone is trying to stay afloat by any means necessary it is hardly beneficial for a productive forward thinking society as a whole is it?

This is why when you have politicians campaigning for power their first thought is how much money they will collect for their personal use during their reign and not about how to improve the lives of the people who voted them in. The man on the street thinks more or less in the same strain but on a smaller scale. An example of that would be a dodgy Pharmacist who is prepared to sell you fake drugs knowing that they may very well kill you but all he is concerned about is collectiing his payment for the drugs. And then when someone sets up an organisation to combat things such as this they plot to kill her because they say 'Ee dey spoil market!'

babasin:
why don't you re-locate back from UK and show/teach Nigerians how to do this?

This could earn you a lifetime achievement award--one you will never get living in UK

I have already tried this avenue but most of my efforts were thwarted by people who were just too greedy to see the bigger picture. Unfortunately I just don't have it in me to be ruthless to deal with such people. I do believe that we need a Sadaam Hussain type character as the head of state if only for a short while to get the masses to straighten up.

Of all the cities that I have visited Lagos is indeed the worst and it wins that title by a landslide.

No water
No electricity.
Pot holed roads
Massive rubbish dumps
Cripples running in and out of traffic
Traffic jams from hell
Everyone and their Dad trying to flog you ‘pure’ water, water which is probably not clean.
Everyone and their Dad trying flog you every piece of junk known to man while you are stuck in traffic
Policemen openly accepting bribes
The rich carrying on like they don't see the squalor and filth that is around them when they leave their mansions.
So-called private schools in every nook and cranny
Ignorant Area boys
Can’t use generator for too long for fear of attracting armed robbers

Unfortunately I can go on for ever.

It is indeed the worst city in the world and I have been around! Most notably I have been to a couple of Favelas’ in Brazil and they had nothing on the slums of Lagos. Yes they were in a pretty bad state but even there people had the common decency to put rubbish in a proper refuse collection and not throw it out onto the street for someone else to clean as long as it wasn’t in their house.

folahann:
In this world their are more Bad people than good people, so the bad ones have overshadowed the good ones

In Nigeria that is definetly the case! The corrupt and selfish ones are plenty and overshadow the few who are not.

oldie:
It is more of systemic corruption.
You may not believe it, but there are still a lot of Nigerians that are not corrupt
But stereotyping Nigerians is wrong.
Make the system work, and you will be amazed, how the typical Nigerian adapts.

I believe that too but it is easier said than done. It is all very well to say  ‘make the ‘system work’ when at the end of the day the main hurdle is how do we get the man on the street to see that the ‘system’ is working in his favour?

As the article expresses, Nigerians have been led to believe that the only way that they can get something is to look out for themselves and theirs. It is a ‘Dog eat Dog’ way of thinking. Thinking collectively and working together for the benefit of the whole of Nigeria is lost on many Nigerians.

I have a love/hate relationship with Nigeria. I often find myself expressing negative my negative feelings about the Nigeria on boards like these and to other Nigerians. However to non-Nigerians I tend to always express love and heartfelt sentiments about the country.

To the person who said something about Nollywood being part of Nigerian culture. While I appreciate some of the films that have come out of that industry, I actually lean more towards the idea that Nollywood is a big joke and not reflective of real Nigerian society at all. At times some or even most of the films come across as a parody, anyway I suppose that rant is for another thread.

I found this article on the Nigerians in America website, thought it quite interesting and wanted to share. I actually agree with most of the sentiments expressed and wanted to see what the general thought was here on NairaLand where there are a substantial amount of people who are actually based in Nigeria.

http://www.nigeriansinamerica.com/articles/2276/1/Nigerian-Corruption-We-Are-All-Guilty/Page1.html


Nigerian Corruption: We Are All Guilty by Max Siollun

Nigeria is internationally famous for three things: oil, its Super Eagles football team, and its spectacular government corruption.  However, contrary to popular belief it is quite simply a myth that corruption is perpetrated mostly by the government.  Most Nigerians are paradoxically and simultaneously, accomplices, active participants, victims and agents provocateurs of corruption in their society. 

LEGAL IMPEDIMENTS



Section 308 of the 1999 Nigerian Constitution

The first step to understanding corruption in Nigeria is the acknowledgment that corruption is the norm rather than the exception.  Corruption is part of the system and has even been inadvertently sanctioned by the Constitution.  Section 308 of the Constitution shields the President, Vice-President, Governors and Deputy Governors from civil or criminal proceedings, arrest and imprisonment during their term of office.  This Section was intended to prevent frivolous lawsuits from being brought against public officers which might impede their management of their official duties.  However in a country as notoriously corrupt as Nigeria, it has been a legal cloak for embezzlement, and has placed many public officers above the law.  The result has been that several Governors have been able to loot state treasuries at will with no fear of arrest or prosecution.

However, corruption is not the exclusive preserve of the government.  Although most Nigerians condemn corruption as a practice of the “Big Men” and government officials, most of the population are willing accomplices.  There is an inherent hypocrisy among Nigerians about corruption.  Most citizens acknowledge that corruption is an impediment to Nigeria’s economic development and reputation, yet the ordinary Nigerian’s unquenchable thirst for the acquisition of material wealth, possessions, fame and power fuels corruption by others.  Even those that disapprove of corruption by government officials freely admit that they would do the same if they were in government, and they simultaneously participate in practices that are inappropriate.  The fuel industry is an excellent illustrative example of how corruption and dishonesty flows from the top all the way down to the lower rungs of Nigerian society.  The oil industry is rightly or wrongly perceived as the epicentre of government corruption and abuse in Nigeria.  Is the government alone in its abuse of the oil industry?  During fuel strikes and shortages petrol stations have frequently been accused of surreptitiously hoarding fuel in order to deliberately amplify shortages and drive prices even higher.  In other words they exploit and deteriorate the misery of the already hyper-extended fuel consumer.  Malpractice is not limited to petrol station proprietors.  Black market street sellers of fuel in such circumstances are also distrusted by some motorists.  Motorists often accuse them of diluting the petrol they sell with other chemicals.  In the “food chain” of the oil industry, private citizens also dangerously “tap” oil from pipelines in order to sell on the black market.  We should avoid using benign words like “tap” and call the practice what it is: theft.  This theft is carried out with no remorse for the fact that the oil being stolen is a national resource, or any thought of the explosive danger caused by damage to pipelines.  Thousands of lives have been lost in pipeline fires caused by “tapping”.

SOCIETAL PRESSURE

Once an individual lands a government job, (s)he will be inundated with near irresistible requests for ‘assistance’, finance, contracts and material benefits from members of his or her society.  To resist such requests would be to risk being ostracised by their own kinfolk.  The community expects and encourages the selective and disproportionate distribution of the “benefits” of government finances to the relatives and community of the government official.  The African extended family and patronage system ensures that a government official finds it culturally difficult to resist.  If a government official condemns corruption and refuses to use government finances to enrich them self and their community, such an official would be denounced as foolish and would be derided for having nothing to show for their time in government.  Negative comparisons would be drawn with other officials who (corruptly) enriched themselves, and the official would be asked why he was still living in the same one house while his colleagues in government have acquired ostentatious status symbols of their time in government such as cars and expensive houses at home and abroad. 

The current generation of Nigerians do not desire governments or institutions which seek to inhibit their ability to illegally acquire wealth.  Nigerians have become accustomed to the culture of corruption around them, and are very quick to condemn and dispense with governments that push the elimination of corruption as a major policy platform.  The regime of Major-Generals Buhari and Idiagbon launched a severe and unprecedented anti-corruption campaign for over a year and a half between January 1984 and August 1985.  They tried and imprisoned politicians that embezzled state funds.  Before long, Nigerians were unhappy with the duo.  Disapproval of their anti-corruption campaign was not explicit, but was subtly cotton wooled into ostensibly academic and sober critiques of their “high handed” and “repressive” nature.

  Nigerians celebrated when Buhari and Idiagbon were overthrown and replaced by a gap toothed armoured corps General from Minna named Ibrahim Babangida.  Readers should not delude themselves into believing that General Abacha ran the most corrupt regime in Nigeria’s history.  Abacha was the most openly and brazenly corrupt, but before him came his mentor and role model Babangida.  Nigeria’s moral fibre was destroyed under the regime of General Babangida.  That is not to say that corruption was non-existent before him, but under Babangida, corruption was systematised, institutionalised and brought home as a fact of life to the doorstep of every Nigerian.  Babangida allowed Nigerians to see the ugly mirror reflection of their morality.  He recognized many Nigerians for what they are: commodities whose loyalty and soul is on sale to the highest bidder.  Many “pro democracy activists” denounced the corruption that took place under military rulers but were silenced by the financial “settlement” culture that was so pervasive under Generals Babangida and Abacha.   

The current anti-corruption efforts of the EFCC and ICPC are derided for being “selective” and for not catching every corrupt individual.  These unsophisticated criticisms are the moral equivalent of a bank robber objecting to his arrest by the police on the grounds that other bank robbers whom the police have not arrested are still on the loose.  The author is of the opinion that most Nigerians should be grateful for this “selective” prosecution by the EFCC because if every corrupt Nigerian adult was arrested: (i) there would not be enough prisons and detention space to hold them, and (ii) a great deal of the workforce would be behind bars. 

Nigeria has bred something far more sinister and sophisticated than petty graft and bribery.  The still unaccounted $12 billion dollar gulf war oil windfall, the Okigbo report that has never been acted upon and the absence of public outrage at these events is symbolic of the tacit acceptance of corrupt practices as “The Nigerian Way”.  Corruption in Nigeria is not just an offshoot of collapsed social and governmental institutions, nor is it the result of a hostile economic environment.  The roots go much deeper and are symptomatic of the gradual but residual breakdown of Nigerian societal values and morality.  It is the result of Nigerians’ failure to distinguish right from wrong, and of a nationwide refusal to condemn dishonesty.  Nigerians only condemn corruption when they are not the beneficiaries of it.

A WAY FORWARD?


Western nations have lower levels of corruption not only because their law enforcement authorities are more zealous.  The psyche of their citizens is different from that of the Nigerian.  The UK and New Zealand are two countries with the lowest levels of official corruption in the world.  The overwhelming majority of citizens in those countries reflexively obey the law as a matter of their nature and inner will.  They do not have to be coerced into obedience.  This is due to the attitudinal and societal rejection of corruption in these countries.  There is a moral consensus in these countries that corruption is degenerative for their society.


What can be done for Nigeria?  I propose two approaches that might be a god start.  The first step is the elimination of the systemic procedure which inhibits measures aimed at eliminating corruption.   Section 308 of the Constitution should be amended (not deleted) so that the President, Vice-President, Governors and Deputy Governors should be immune from civil, but not criminal proceedings.  The semantic difference is that such officials would be immune from being sued in vexatious civil litigation (with apologies to Gani Fawehinmi) but would not be immune from investigation, arrest or imprisonment for the commission of crimes (including those involving corrupt practices and financial impropriety).  However such a constitutional amendment is unlikely to occur anytime in the near future.  The prerequisites for a constitutional amendment are formidable.  Constitutional amendments in Nigeria require a two-thirds majority approval vote in the federal Senate and House of Representatives, and further approval by two-thirds of the 36 State House of Assemblies in Nigeria.  To reach such a degree of consensus in a country as large and fractious as Nigeria would be near miraculous.  Other methods are required.

Nigeria needs a moral revolution.  That moral revolution cannot be accomplished while the present generation remains.  Many members of the present generation have been so utterly corrupted that they are beyond redemption.  Nigeria cannot and will not progress until they expire.  Hope lies in the young and unborn who have not yet been tainted by the society around them.  By inculcating from a young age, the destructive social effects of corruption, a new more honest generation may emerge in future.  The teaching of values should be compulsorily incorporated into academic syllabi from primary school until the completion of university.  I will not deny that this sounds like a subtle form of indoctrination, but it might be the only way to save Nigeria from itself.  Corruption in Nigeria will be brought down to manageable levels only when a national consensus is reached that corruption is a corrosive impediment, and when it is rejected by the majority of the population.

Tats:
There is no need to announce that they are slashing the visa period by half. They should simply do it and not broadcast it. Afterall, United States and Schengen embassies give people visas for a few weeks!

I don't think £1000 pounds will stop anyone desperate to travel from doing so.

It is a major reform on the UK immigration laws and so it was just reported as regular news that's all. Are you saying that it is not newsworthy?

@Jackal

Please, na play I follow um play. But then again I be Naija woman at heart too so if throw the first punch I go scatter u, Now play we dey do for here now no be so?

Tell her to lighten up sha and not take things too seriously. We are mere pixels hia

OUT OF CONTROL: AIDS IN BLACK AMERICA


Part 1:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lEO4z4Y0cmw

Part 2:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7y_SZajd2lg&feature=related

It goes up to part 6




I de go, Have a good night folks!

I-man:
See how them go Iraq mess up everything! Compare the South were Britain runs to Central Iraq!Basra province has a lower murder rate than the State of the Washington!

People had to send them food aid during Hurricane Katrina! Couldn't mount a bloody half-decent rescue operation In fact,the US needs to be re-colonised by the UK.The UK "gave" them independence too early

These people can't even play football!A nation that doesn't like football as its No1 sport is a nation under a divine curse!


God Save The Queen!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Innit! You have all those big chunky men running around in skin tight leggings, rubbing themselves together any chance they get and they say na football? Cheek!
If that ain't the perfect excuse for an undercover gay to get freaky with his boys then I don't know what is, LOL!!!

E-baby:
Please define the word Ghetto to me , since your mouth seem to be jumping around like you got hot food in it.
Open your eyes well oh, don't you every in your fucking life disrespect mine people, who the mess are you to call disrespect my aunty.

Omo na Nland give you mouth talk oh, are you high or what, ghetto friends , look at the lowlife idiot calling people ghetto, stay off that cheap crack sogbo

Wait a minute are you the only one abroad, you think anyone give a rattling ass where you from, or if you are Britain born .

Have you ever been outside Naija sef, in fact am sure you have never been inside a plan before


When next you want to rain insult on people, look before doing it because next time you will not get off easy.!!!!!!!!!!!!foolish thing!!!!!!!!!!!!UK ko Uk ni, abge stop lying you live in Sabo under the bridge

Oooooooooooooh I am really really sacred now!

































LOL! And I am the one who is supposed to be taking things too seriously and here you are with your shit mouth talking like the fake skanky yank you are. And what?


Your aunty is GHETTO! Big time!!, How can someone buy jeans in the US and think that people are actually going to part hard earned cash to buy them in the UK. Please you need to shut the f**k up with that BS. The Bytch is as GHETTO as they come and your ass probably is too that is why you are on here bragging about it. No shame, Olodo! The simple concept of a shopping holiday is lost on your dumbass isn't it? That is why you are here making mouth with Olodobytch like the backward skanks that you both are. I bet the jeans your GHETTO aunty bought were one of those that had different patterned material on them with the matching jacket, Hilarious.

Shebi you get mouth? Oya do you worst little girl.

No take um serious sha, na play I de follow you play

@I-man

Innit don't mind that Olodobytch! If you go Texas where a lot of Nigerians are located you will see some humongous ones, huge gi-normous dirty obese bytches who can't get out the house!
There was one story I heard about where a fat bytch spent a whole 10 years lying on a couch and when they moved her the poor cow died! She had spent all those years on that couch menstruating, shitting and pissing. I really didn't realize that people could get that big and they wanna talk about fashion?? It isn't unusual to see a 20 year old in America who looks like she is pushing 40 due to the way she dresses.

Please don't get me started on those one we saw during the Katrina scandal. The ones that the helicopters had to leave behind because the rope that had been used to lift the previous fat bytch had snapped!

E-baby:
lol u sounded like my mom,she told them the same thing that they should pack their things to the garage because she got no time for vacuuming and cleaning the house

The shopping part is 100% true, when my mom cousin along with her family, they shop tire, she will wake up very early like 9am for shopping, In fact she bought some matching jeans and jacket to sell in London, I had to ask her don't tell have those type of clothing up there, she said Nope.

LOL have u every seen their gowns, it looks something they will wear in the 18cenutury.

There was this particular time when a family bought me a grown from London, then around 10yrs old, even at that age i knew what fashion was, i gave the dress to our housemaid.

Please! Don't even go there. Everyone knows that you American women can not dress to save $hit! Yeah you can do hair and make-up well but when it comes to clothes you guys don't have a clue!


Just because your people bought you a dodgy night gown?!!, your funny!!! And someone took some jeans to sell you are implying that such things can't be got in London. Don't embarrass yourself by thinking that they can not be gotten in the Uk. Your aunty probably sold those dud jeans to her ghetto friends, The only reason Brits come to America and go crazy with the shopping is because the pound is kicking the dollar's ass now something silly. Besides that it is FUN to travel; no-one is doing it out of necessity. I know it is a hard concept for many Americans to gage because it is only once in while that many of you get a chance to explore outside of hicksville but you should try it sometime. Just don't come to London, no more moany cows needed please

@dtw_sola


Please remove the stick from your ass and lighten the f$$K up! Geesh!

The Uk is nothing at all like US. It's better!

The US is just like Nigeria with nearly 2million Nigerians there and counting compared to only 400,000 Nigerians in the UK.

sexxxxy:
I've been reading this thread since it started and i was too weak to reply with the ignorant coments i saw here,but i've managed to garner enough strength,

@ Almondjoy,
I'm thinking u've just been kidding and you're just pulling Elosela legs with those dumb comments,if u werent ,then you're a very ignorant person,Comments like,6 people sharing a toilet,ugly uk people,nigerians in uk can't work in an office,transport system sucks,selfridges a naija outlet (r u serious?)e.t.c are just so dumb,i can't even imagine that an adult can utter that out,even if u ve never been to the uk,u still can't be that stupid

let me address those 6 points
1.6 people sharing a toilet,are u telling me there are no houses in USA with a family of six sharing a bathroom,i mean it just depends on who you're,if u can't afford it then thats what u'll end up with,houses me i'm used too are 2 bed 2 bath,3 bed 3 bath e.t.c u can check the link, http://www.rightmove.co.uk/ ,so
u have an idea,if u want a 10 bath house,its right there,as long as u can afford it

2.Nigerians in the uk can't work in the office,that has to be the dumbest,a lot of nigerians i know are in the IT industry(i'm sure thats office abi?)to have an idea of how much they earn,go to www.Jobserve.com (to help u out,type business analyst for roles and select contract type and u can see.

3.Transport system sucks,hmmm yeah the tube aint all that,but its still effective apart from rush hour and overcrowding but i guess that happens in every busy city.i personally don't take the tube,i take the boat to commute to work
daily,and it can't get better, check out, http://www.thamesclippers.com/home/

4.Selfridges a naija outlet(now thats just retarded),Selfridges the store?i'm speechless,i'll just help u with the link, http://www.selfridges.com/

5.and ugly people in the Uk, it just gets dumber and dumber,now i don't have any link to help u out with that one ,other than u have to come to the uk yourself


and for all of u attacking Elosela about her defending her country,y shouldnt she,shes a british citizen,no matter how you're goin to look at it,she has the passport so what does that make her?when she travels,she goes over to the british section not stand in other countries,and shes prioud of it so get of her case,i love Uk and i also love USA,but don't just come here and think everyone wants to leave because many people don't ,,yeah some people relocate to the US just like people over ther relocate to the uk, its up to the individuals,

ok i'm waiting for comments like y are u defending other ppls country,because that's the dumb shit people in here come up with ,

Thanks for the support sis!

AprocoJoy is definetly not correct in the head. It must really burn her up that there are Nigerians who are very successful and doing extremely well in the UK.

awon boiz:
@almondjoy

just let the poster express herself freely and stop getting personal with her, since it seems na u be the only ILLEGAL LEGAL wey de yankee
so what? allman for nairaland don sabi say na yankee u de, wetn be ya probs sef

You this LOUD MOUTH

You be betta person!

Don't mind that Olodojoy.

Heeeeeeey

I think that there are more Nigerians in Houston or DC. The US has close to a million Nigerians while there are only around 400,000 in the UK. The Uk figure includes Nigerians born in the UK.

When one is brought up in superstitious culture this kind of thing seems normal. When I lived in Nigeria it wasn't unusual to hear of someone, another child, confessing to be a witch and having the daylights beaten out of them.
We used to hear about Obanjes' too. Chinua Achebe wrote about Obanjes in 'Things fall apart'and I believe one of Ben Okri's books is about one too.

omoge:
@darfur,

na true Nigeria don Yamutu ofone . Stingy UK is trying sha. Where is that bobo El sef?

I have a question Elosela. why did you pick the ghetto to live when you could have come over my place in the dorms? eh eh ?
oh you were broke. . . that's alright. Next time think of staying with me okay then you go enjoy real life with no Train bugging ya sleep

That trip to America was a whirlwind one. We were just backpacking during uni sha and we visited many places in the US that we loved and even managed to go Canada and Mexico. Anyway by the time we got to Chicago money don finish so we had no choice. I know say if I get money I for enjoy Chicago so I wasn't dissing it just saying. If you got money to enjoy then really whether you are staying in the village without any electricity you can still enjoy. The stint in Chicago was still loads of fun anyway despite being dirt broke! lol
I have some pics of me in the US (but this is BIG UP LONDON-thread) but none of any me with any London landmarks. One tends to take stuff like that for granted when they live here.

Just doing my bit for the travel section, shebi you like?

And some more!

Some pics of my beautiful city. I hope they post!