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Travel / Re: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 4:17pm On Mar 08, 2010
proudly9ja:

Ofcourse I agree with you. It pains my heart too that my country cannot take of its own talkless of her citizens living abroad but in the case of this woman, she is not begging for money or begging for accommodation. She said it clearly that if given legal status, she is ready to work, now for me, when that time comes, thats additional tax paid to government coffers, both sides gain.

Yes she is begging. She is begging to be allowed to live and work in a country where she does not have the right to. Why should she be allowed to work when there are plenty of British citizens looking for work themselves? One has to have rights to work and earn in this country and she doesn't so she should go back to Nigeria and work there.
Travel / Re: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 1:11pm On Mar 08, 2010
adconline:



It's either you are delusional or insular

Explain please?
Travel / Re: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 1:02pm On Mar 08, 2010
proudly9ja:

From the story, Im sure we can read that she was doing well when she was working and her situation is the way it is because she can't work. Il advise she waits till July when the results of her applications out and I pray its good news. After that, tings will work out well.


Her story is sad. But it isn't Britain's responsibilty to look after her, her four children and her ageing mother. And why she be given a job when there are citizens who would also like to work? Nigeria needs to start taking responsibilty of its own.
Travel / Re: The Dispossessed: Mother Living In Limbo With No Job, No Benefits And No Cash by EloSela(f): 7:40am On Mar 08, 2010
I think she would be better of in Nigeria. Besides it isn't Britain's responsibility to take care of her. I am still trying to understand why she brought her mother over here when her situation wasn't ideal.
Travel / Re: The Dispossessed: Mother Living In Limbo With No Job, No Benefits And No Cash by EloSela(f): 7:25pm On Mar 07, 2010
Really, this lady should go back home to Nigeria instead of suffering in the UK. I don't understand why she didn't present herself to the immigration officers to ask for assistance back to Nigeria.
Politics / Re: The Giant Of Africa, No Light, Water, Good Road, And Infrastruture Of Anykind by EloSela(f): 5:52pm On Mar 06, 2010
ROSSIKE:

Gbawe you get time.

Naija people make me laugh. Go to rural Uganda and see what some of these countries are like compared to Nigeria. Or rural Gambia, Sierra Leone, Tanzania, or Burundi.

In my ''village'' in Naija, you can buy toothpaste, toothbrush, mobile phones, t-shirts. It's even got some tarred roads! There are restaurants, hotels, markets filled with goods of various kinds, gas stations, motorparks.

Go to rural Uganda and even common coke to drink you can't find. Bush paths are the means to get around in many places.

Some of you need to travel to these other African countries and leave their capitals. Even Ghana. Step outside Accra and Kumasi and you'll be wondering what the hell you're doing in that place. Nothing happening.

You won't appreciate Naija until you actually go around and see these other nations. In those places people don't bother returning to their villages for christmas en masse like we do in Nigeria.

Their villages are desolate.  The one or two large cities they have is where everything happens.

In their villages, not only is there no electricity, but there are no power lines laid down at all, and there are no generators, because no one can afford them.

Like I said, you won't appreciate Naija until you actually go around and see some of these other nations.




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@Rossike

I doubt you have been to Uganda.

I have and I was well impressed. I visited a rural village called Gulu in the Northern region of the country. A village which had banks, atms, petrol stations, a cinema and a stadium. We also travelled from that village in the dead of the night to Kampala without fear of being attacked by armed robbers' we actually did that journey two times. This I repeat  was a village. Can you advice of what village I can find the same amenities in Nigeria?
In Kampala we also travelled around the city in the dead of the night to bars and other night venues without fear of being attacked. I was able to go into some of the top hotels in the city to dine without having to pay with an arm or a leg. I slept in a tent on Safari again without fear, again please tell me where I can do the same in Nigeria.
Uganda as a whole is a peaceful country and the people on a whole don't like trouble and for the most part are honest. For example I left change with a taxi driver and asked him to come back. I didn't expect to see him again and so I was well surprised when he turned  up bright and early the next morning with my money. The services work such as electricity (they have a electricity problem but it is not as bad as Nigeria with the light going off for about two or so hours a day but one hardly notices) water, gas, internet etc.
I have been to plenty of countries in Africa including Nigeria, Gambia and Senegal and I am sorry to say Nigeria has nothing, absolutely nothing on those countries in terms of development, social welfare and infrastructure. All Nigeria has is a high population of people.
Travel / Re: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 3:56pm On Mar 06, 2010
I think she should go back to Nigeria. It is not Britain's responsibility to house and feed her or give her a job for that matter. Going by the some of the stories I have read here on NL, Nigeria is up and coming and people can make it there if they are willing to work hard. This lady should go back to her own country and work hard instead of depending on the British tax payer to fund her and her family.

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Travel / Re: Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 5:46pm On Mar 05, 2010
I just thought to post the article above to provide information for all pending travellers to the UK who may have desires to stay on after their visas have expired. It isn't easy. shocked

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Travel / Poverty_in Britain! Nigerian_single_mother_of_4 by EloSela(f): 5:40pm On Mar 05, 2010
http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/standard/article-23811988-the-dispossessed-mother-living-in-limbo-with-no-job-no-benefits-and-no-cash.do

The Dispossessed: Mother living in limbo with no job, no benefits and no cash
David Cohen
04.03.10
Special report: The Dispossessed
Poverty demeans London, says Gordon Brown
If kids see only drugs, knives and guns they use them too
Raising 11 children on benefits is no fun for anyone
What should be done? Have your say
Bent against the chill in a flimsy skirt and top, Ade picked up her children from school and walked towards Bromley High Street where she stopped across the road from a barber shop advertising a “wash & cut for £10”.

But Ade, 39, had not come for a quick trim. Rather, she waited for the last customer to leave before the barber discreetly signalled to her, and she and her family trooped into the shop. For the next 14 hours this hair salon, comprising a sofa, microwave oven and a lavatory at the back, doubled as a home for Ade and her family — her children aged 10, nine, seven and four, and her ailing 79-year-old mother. They would wash in a bucket, heat a few vegetables in the microwave, and bed down on the floor and sofa. At 7am, Ade would wake to clean the shop — her “payment” to the owner — and attempt to disinfect the boils that had appeared on her son's head. By 8.30am, before the barber opened, she and her family would have slipped out of the front door and be on their way to school.

This pitiful scene was repeated day after day despite Ade begging the social services department of her south-east London borough to house her destitute family. “There is nothing we can do — be grateful you have the hair salon,” a social worker told her.

When Ade's second eldest daughter got a chest infection, she dug her heels in and refused to leave the social worker's office until accommodation was found. “My elderly mother fell to the floor wailing and begging for mercy,” recalls Ade, “but the social worker called a policeman who handcuffed us and physically dragged us out of the building. I remember shouting: Am I a criminal to want a place for my children to sleep?'”

Last October social services were forced, under threat of human rights legal action by the charity Kids Company, to provide a home for Ade's immigrant family. The home they supplied in Croydon is a two-hour journey, via two buses and a tram, from the children's primary school in Bromley, but at least they now have a roof over their heads.

But that is just the beginning. Ade's application to the Home Office for leave to remain in the UK — having followed her husband here from Nigeria in 2003 and subsequently being beaten and abandoned by him — is still “pending”. It means that until the Home Office gets through its massive backlog, she and her children, the youngest of whom was born in London, are “without status”, neither legal nor illegal.

It also means that Ade, who is competent to work having completed two years of a computer science degree at university in Lagos, is barred from seeking employment or claiming benefits until her application is resolved. Apart from housing, she is classed as “having no recourse to public funds”.

Her children, moreover, are excluded from the 41 per cent of youngsters officially recorded as living in poverty in London because to government statisticians, illegal or “pending” immigrants like her do not count.

The London School of Economics estimates that there are 947,000 immigrants in the UK who are here illegally. Many come on six-month student or tourist visas that they over-stay — just like Ade and her husband — but most remain below the radar and end up joining the army of illegal workers propping up the economy.

Kids Company is aware of 300 immigrant families who receive no benefits and whose status has yet to be determined. It recently found one family sleeping in a shed. For many, their only means of survival is to turn to theft, drug dealing or prostitution. Ade has her own horror stories to recount, such as the landlord and immigration lawyer who demanded intimacy in lieu of services. She gave them short shrift. But how has she survived with no job, no benefits and no money in London?

Telling her story for the first time as part of the Evening Standard's week-long series on London's Dispossessed, Ade sits on a battered plastic sofa in her living room in Croydon.

She grew up in Lagos, the daughter of a cocoa trader, and she was still at university, she says, when her middle-class existence was shattered by a car accident that killed her father and brother. Unable to afford the fees, she got a job in a firm where she met a business administration graduate and at 29 married him, having three children in quick succession.

“In 2002, my husband lost his job and came to London,” she says. “He got work here as a concierge and a year later, I left the children with my mother and he brought me out, and I got a job, too, working as a security officer earning £700 a month. My husband told me he had permission to stay and that he was sorting my papers as well.

“We rented a flat in Elephant and Castle and in 2005 the kids joined us, followed by my mother, but instead of happiness, my husband started beating me. I discovered he was seeing other women, but when I challenged him he attacked me and threw boiling water over me. I was pregnant at the time and had to be admitted to hospital because he kicked me in the stomach and there was concern for the baby.

“The beatings became more and more frequent. In 2006, six months after our fourth child was born, neighbours heard me and the children screaming and called the police. They found me in a pool of blood but my husband had fled — it was the last time I ever saw him.” But Ade's problems were only just beginning. Keen to clarify her status, she approached her local MP Harriet Harman, who wrote to the Home Office to ask how Ade's application was progressing.

The Home Office replied that they had “no record” of her application, nor her husband's. “It was a huge shock because it meant I was here illegally. The Home Office said I should make a fresh application, but that until a decision was made, I was barred from claiming benefits or working.”

She stopped work and in early 2008 re-applied, hoping for a quick answer, but after a couple of months her money ran out and her landlord evicted them. Her one relative here, an uncle living in Bromley, took the six of them in and Ade moved the children to a local school. But eventually it became too much for her uncle's partner and she asked them to leave. For months they moved from place to place, living in squats and dingy flats.

Eventually, homeless and penniless, they wound up last year living in the hair salon. “You have no idea what it feels like,” says Ade, fighting back the tears. “You are so vulnerable, so desperate, if not for the kids you think of suicide. I had no clothes, no food. The children were amazing. They'd go to school and at night they would sit very quietly. Then one would say, we're cold mummy, we're hungry mummy'. They lost weight but hardly ever complained. If not for Kids Company and the Salvation Army, we would have starved. And we'd still be sleeping at the barber.”

Kids Company, she adds, provides her with legal aid and £50 of food vouchers and bus money a week.

Would she consider going back? “No, no, please God no— I have been here seven years and my kids are doing well at school. My eldest is top of her class and her teachers say she's one of the gifted and talented.

“There is nothing for me in Nigeria. The Home Office have promised me an answer by July. I pray for a good answer so I can finally end this nightmare. It's been two years now. Why can't they decide quickly? When I pick up the children with the other mums at the school gates, I feel like a fool in my charity clothes. I am an educated person — if I was allowed to work, I could easily support my children.”

Upstairs in her children's bedroom, there are three beds but no cupboard. Where, I wonder, are their clothes? “What clothes?” she says. “Each child has two outfits, the one they're wearing and the one in the wash.”

In four months Ade will know her fate. Until then, she's stuck in limbo

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Politics / Re: Dora Akunyili Tells All! by EloSela(f): 2:37pm On Mar 01, 2010
I wasn't aware that Dora was an American citizen. Wasn't there a story a few months ago of her being denied entry into America

Anyway I commend the lady for trying to do her job. She does seem to have the best interests of Nigeria at heart.
Travel / Re: South Africa World Cup 'snubbed By Foreign Fans' by EloSela(f): 9:14am On Jan 31, 2010
I've been to South Africa before. Cape Town to be exact and it is hardly an 'African' city. I laugh when Black South Africans use that city to exemplify South Africa. Go to the townships, Llanga and Kyalistha (sp) and see the real Africa, not Greenpoint, Seapoint or Haut's Bay, the 'white townships'. I digress

I will be in Jo'burg for the world cup and I have been warned about the dangers of the city and one point I almost cancelled my ticket but as a self-confessed 'tavelcholic' I just have to see Johannesburg. grin grin.

I heard some horror stories, one that comes to mind was from a friend who was sitting in a restaurant and heard gun shots. On hearing those shots there was a mad scramble for cover and after the melee had calmed down it was discovered that the person sitting on the next table had died from a clean shot to the head. Scary! shocked shocked
Celebrities / Re: P Diddy's $360,000 Gift to his son by EloSela(f): 12:07am On Jan 28, 2010
Meanwhile a mere 7 year old boy raises nearly $250,000 (£160,000) for children in Haiti.

http://www.mirror.co.uk/news/top-stories/2010/01/25/charlie-simpson-7-raises-160k-for-haiti-appeal-in-one-day-115875-21992609/


It's Diddy's money but I personally think the gift is distasteful.
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 12:42pm On Jan 19, 2010
tpia.:

white south Africans whose forefathers migrated to Africa centuries ago are being compared with Nigerians who left Nigeria less than 50 years ago?

anyway, let me not get into this argument again.

many of the white south Africans are leaving the place anyway.

So you think there are no Nigerians that settled in the UK more than 50 years ago? Furthermore not all white South Africans settled there centuries ago. There are plenty of White South Africans today not to mention Indians, Malaysians and Chinese, in their 20s and 30s who are second generation.

And why are you posting an article about France? What has that got to do with British Citizenship?

@Morpheus24

Don't be naive. everyone cares who setttled where and when.White south africans are Africans of Germanic, dutch, french and english descent. No body is chasing them out of Africa but please note the difference btw nationality and ethnicity. That is fact.

'Everyone' meaning you and other close minded individuals such as yourself. You have some nerve asking me to note the difference between nationality when you and others have repeatedly tried to rebuke me for recognising my nationality (British) and ethnicity (Urhobo) and not a foreign nationality (Nigeria). Maybe you need to take your own advice.

You are simply proving my point as well by showing the queens germanic history though this does not invalidate my previous stated pint concering you and the queen as far as ancestry is concerned.

Please note Germanic tribes of which english is a deravitive stem from the same group of people such as The Xhosa and the Zulu who share common ancestry though the Xhosa are know to have far longer inhabitance in Southern Africa.

Many royal families incorporated powerful families from across borders to strengthen their kingdoms and dominions. This is not uncommon as in marie antoinnete of Austria and king louis or Isabell of spain and I forget the "French kings" name.

The fact still remains despite this. all the abovee can still trace ancestry to common lands much further back than you can to Britian itself.


If you still claim people don't care about who settled where and when, how come there is still animosity regarding territory between scots and English men or Scadanavians and Irish people as to who are the original peoples of that island or even the dreaded BNP party who feel they have a legitimate ancestral claim to England.

Common now, common sense needs to be applied here

You initially implied that the Queen's roots were in Britain and I suggested otherwise in order to prove to you, that British people descend from all parts of the world, even the Royal family who most see as the epitome of 'Englishness' or 'British ness'. I see you also conveniently forgot to mention that the Queen’s African ancestors the most notable being Queen Charlotte. http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/global/article6334692.ece.

You see not all of the Queen’s ancestors were from Mainland Europe.  In fact she even has Nigerian or British relatives of Nigerian descent., one of which is even 47th  in line to inherit the British Crown. Joy Elias-Rilwan, also known as The Hon. Mrs. Lascelles (Born in Nigeria) is married James Lascelles, whose father is the Queen’s first cousin and they have a son; and is this son who is line to inherit the throne.

Your idea that because someone can not to trace their ancestors back as far as another individual in particular country, it then means that they have fewer rights to a citizenship claim is extremely flawed not to mention retarded. It is sad but it is only Nigerians who tend to think like this. You have whites and Asians alike claiming citizenship of African countries such as Uganda, Botswana, Kenya and South Africa where they were born and raised but none of you bigots would ever dare step to them and suggest otherwise. Even the White people of Zimbabwe where Mugabe has made life difficult for them still proudly proclaim their African nationality. It is only when you see a fellow black proudly proclaiming the citizenship of their birth country that just so happens to be a mostly white nation that you have the nerve to start talking smack! You would rather people like me claim the nationality of their parent’s land they hardly know rather than the country they were born, raised and know through and through.

You only need to get on a plane from Nigeria with a foreign passport to confirm this.

I thought you said that it was all over the world? So now it is when they travel from Nigeria?? So you are saying that it is Nigerians (possibly like yourself) probably expressing their jealousy of other black people with passports other than Nigerian that are doing the harassing?

I suggest you apply common sense before responding. Your ideals are highly racist and bigoted and on the same level of the BNP whose claptrap BS you have the audacity to bring up in this conversation.
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 5:43pm On Jan 18, 2010
A white south african can argue his indigenous history to That part of Africa say against a nigerian or a senegalese, however he cannot do the same when refering to the continent of "Africa" as a whole. They will try to argue that they are not the last settlers in SA and found the place uninhabited when they arrived, however history and culture proves otherwise.

Again can you tell a white South African to go back to his country of origin? No you can't. Who cares who settled where and when? The fact remains that they have been in South Africa for generations and that is their land and they are not looking to leave anytime soon. Nobody can tell them that they are not genuine Africans just like you or anyone else can not tell me I am not a genuine Brit.


There is nothing wrong with being A british national of Urohobo descent, however you cannot argue with the queen when she can trace her descent much further back than you can.

Well actually the Queen is of German descent and her husband who was born and bred in Greece first language is German. The House of Windsor was previously known as the House of Saxe-Coburg and Gotha, a German family up until 1917. You try telling them that they are not English to the bone. In fact the only people who have pure English blood in the Royal family are Prince William and Harry through their mother Princess Diana. You see how silly your argument is now?


As far as living in the past, tell that to Nigerians with other countries passports who are being stopped left and right at airports

Where are these 'Nigerians' or are you making it up?
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 4:52pm On Jan 18, 2010
Thats what the jews of europe used to think befoe one swoop of legislation invalidated their birthrights.

Anything is possible.

You are living in the past.


like I said before a british national is different from a british person by descent.
You are living in the past.

Your opinion but how do you feel about white South Africans? They also claim to be indigenous to Africa and will not let anyone tell them otherwise. In fact they would consider it offensive.  .  .would you dare to tell them that they are not like you do the Black Brits?
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 11:25am On Jan 18, 2010
@OW11

Exactly, my sister's children were and raised in Lagos. These kids speak fluent Yoruba and even have Yoruba names bestowed on them by the Yoruba church that they attend. Even though both of their parents are Urhobos they hardly know anything about that part of their culture. In fact their father, an Urhobo was born and raised in Lagos and when you hear him speaking Yoruba you would be forgiven for thinking that his origins were Yoruba. In fact I don't think I can see that family ever going back 'home' to the Delta, just like I can never see myself settling in Nigeria . . .or calling it 'Home' for that matter because as much as I respect the country as the birth land of my parents and admire the various positive qualities of its people, its delicious foods and rich cultures etc it is not my land.
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 7:08am On Jan 18, 2010
Olabukola.

What nerve?

Honestly speaking I have never been asked that question, I only spoke on it because you brought it up and deem it relevant enough to bring it up in such discussions. Maybe your nerves are frayed, maybe you are constantly asked that question because of your non-British accent. In any case I find it hilarious, you a Nigerian born and bred in Nigeria trying to compare your experience in the UK to someone that was born and bred in the UK. You need to keep mute and only offer opinions on matters that are internal to Nigeria. . . .or your village. grin

And yes Internal deportation is a big issue in Nigeria.
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 10:18pm On Jan 17, 2010
olabukola:

In Nigeria you are from where our father came from. We must not copy copy british or US. why can;t we have our own identity. If you are born in Uk and you chose to be called British good for you and don't worry when people call you one. You trying to be Nigerian when you are chose british means that you are neither here nor there. The idea of half Nigerian half british is nonsense. If your father is a Nigerian your are automatically a nigerian. Some Oyibo will ask a black person who tell him he/she is brit " Where do you come from originally" that question makes you a fake brit simple and that is what you are to him/her.



You worry too much about what the oyibo man thinks and says. In any case only ignorant white people will ask you that and in most cases it is when the person who they are speaking to clearly has a non British accent. If I came across a person with an accent that was claiming to be British I would also want to know more about that person's cultural background to determine where the accent came from.

FACT: If you were born in the UK before 1982 or were born after 1982 and spent the first ten years of your life there then you cannot be deported. You are British to the bone no matter what anyone says. Calling someone a 'fake brit' because of their colour is racist.

FACT! A Nigerian can be deported from one part of Nigeria to another. i.e. A Nigerian originally descended from the Eastern part of Nigeria but who has spent most of their life in Lagos can be deported back to the father's land in another part of Nigeria. That is BS and needs to stop. My father was born in a mud hut in a small village in the Delta region of Nigeria. Should I and my descendants forever claim that mud hut in the village as our own and disregard all my life experiences of being born and raised in a different land , Please?


Say I want to live in Nigeria, the land of my father but choose to live in Abuja, whose to say that I won't be deported from there to the village my father was born?

http://allafrica.com/stories/200910090721.html

There is a very worrying trend that is rearing its ugly head in many states of Nigeria. This trend sees many Governors expelling Nigerians from a state they have chosen to live and forcefully sending them back to their so called "States of Origin" for non-just cable reasons.

For want of a better term to describe this very strange practice by some state governments, I will refer to it here after as "internal deportation". Deportation by its very legal definition has to do with deportation of an alien out of a country either because he was not legally supposed to be in the deporting country or because he has committed a crime.

The trend started a few months back in Lagos when the state government in it's mega -city drive on various occasions expelled so called destitutes loaded them unto buses and sent them back to their so called states of Origin.


The whole business of claiming one's father's land as your very own and disregarding the culture and country or city you were born and grew up in is silly and not to mention retarded that is why Nigerians born and raised in Nigeria will laugh at you because they feed on your insecurities. Yes by all means recognise and embrace your family background, ethnicity and culture ( I do - Urhobo for life grin grin) but don't go the extra mile trying to be what you are not. An Igbo or Urhobo girl born and raised in the UK or US is dramatically different culturally from one born and raised in Nigeria whether you like to admit it or not. Your father has his land and you have yours and God bless the child that has his own.
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 12:32pm On Jan 17, 2010
ChinenyeN:

Wow, seriously? The Igbo born in Lagos cannot contest as full citizens? I guess ethnicity is much more institutionalized in Nigeria than I thought. If only this level of institutionalization would coerce people into developing their regions. . . if only.

Exactly and Nigerians have the nerve to look as us in the diaspora and call us 'Second class' citizens.


This is the reason why I personally think it is stupid to try and claim one's father's land as you own when you have not lived his life or shared his life experiences. In short why should I try to fit in when I don't? I would rather find others like me, born and bought up in the UK to African, Nigerian, Urhobo or other foreign parents to identify with as I would probably have more in common with them than someone born and bred in Nigeria .

Had Obama being born in Nigeria to Kenyan parents he would never have been allowed to contest for leadership in the country of his birth. I know plenty of Non-Yoruba families who have been in Lagos for generations, operated businesses, paid taxes and contributed to society in the state but their descendants would never ever be able claim state benefits of scholarships that are set aside for 'indigenous' residents of the state. The story is the same throughout Nigeria. Some can even be deported from a Nigerian state to their Nigerian state of origin. Imagine that BS going down in the US or the UK?
Culture / Re: Not Born In Nigeria = Not Nigerian? by EloSela(f): 12:09pm On Jan 17, 2010
As someone born and bred in Britain, I identify fully as a Briton of Urhobo ethnicity. Nigeria is too diverse (250+ ethnic groups with their own unique languages, style of dress and food) to start claiming it patriotically and nationally when I was neither born or grew up there.
Politics / Re: Nigerian Terrorist: What You Won't Hear In The Media by EloSela(f): 2:29am On Dec 28, 2009
@ duabba

Where does it state he was 'radicalised' in Britain? He was only there for a few years for his degree before moving to Dubai and then Yemen.

After graduating in 2008, he told his family he wanted to continue learning, by moving to an Arab country to study Arabic.

His family told the BBC Mr Abdulmutallab's parents decided to send him to Dubai to study for a post-graduate degree in business management, thinking he would benefit from its cosmopolitan nature and would not be exposed to extremist influences.

But despite his parents' objections, he abandoned the course before it was finished, saying he was no longer interested and had found an alternative course in Yemen.

He said the seven-year programme would cost nothing and that it did not matter if his Nigerian passport expired - he would be able to obtain a Yemeni one.

When his mother contacted him to urge him to reconsider, Mr Abdulmutallab told her not to get in touch again as he had found "a new life" and they no longer had any ties to him.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/8431530.stm
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 7:03pm On Dec 20, 2009
George_D:

EloSela, Siena you can talk all you like but i think the most person to blame in all this is onwubuike himself. if he had stayed home and not gone to a foreign land that uses and dumps people, all this won't have happened in the first place! angry

How was he used? Do you think he competed for free?

He was fully funded by the UK Sports council during his competing years which means all his living expenses were taken care of. Also in the article it doesn't make any mention of a job and so I am led to believe that he was probably surviving on benefits (disability and income benefit which could amount to up to £150 a week not including housing benefit and council tax which he probably also claimed for) and receiving free NHS care for his health issues. So who was using who? Who got the best end of the deal out of it all?
Travel / Re: Where Will U Like To Be 4 Xmas - Snowy London Or America East Cost Or Hot Naija? by EloSela(f): 3:03pm On Dec 20, 2009
I will be spending Christmas with the family in London and then for New Year I will be off to Kampala, Uganda to enjoy the warm weather with friends. I have heard those Ugandans love to party non-stop. My last day at work is Christmas Eve and then I am not due back until the 11th of Jan 2010. Life is good! tongue
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 12:39am On Dec 20, 2009
George_D:

well if the gold medals are nothing, why not try asking those pot smoking lay abouts to go get some for thier country?!

You're pushing the boat out a bit aren't you?


So everyone in Britain smokes pot  and lays about all day? Were all the Gold medals that Britain won in international games by foreigners and not by British citizens who were fully funded by the UK Sports Council? Are you saying that the only chance we have of winning a gold medal is by recruiting foreigners like Onwubiko or are you just talking purely out of ignorance and frustration?

I will let you answer that before I start quoting unemployment levels in Nigeria and the UK, what works in the UK and what doesn't in Nigeria due to the lack of manpower despite having more than double the population Britain has and also funding levels for sporting stars in Nigeria compared to the UK so we can determine which country truly has the most layabouts.
Travel / Re: World Mosts: by EloSela(f): 6:45pm On Dec 19, 2009
Interesting thread, thanks for sharing.  cheesy

It would even more interesting though if you could tell us where in the world these fabulous places and things are located.
Politics / Re: Request For The Creation Of An Urhobo State by EloSela(f): 10:10pm On Dec 18, 2009
I fully support this idea for an Urhobo state. I love my people, the Urhobos but I am not so keen on the 'Nigeria' concept as I believe Nigeria is a failed state.
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 10:04pm On Dec 18, 2009
debosky:

Just wondering. . .were you born in Nigeria?

No
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 10:02pm On Dec 18, 2009
debosky:

So what? Are the thieves in jail the only thieves in jail? Does it justify their crimes and negate their resultant punishment? No

Keep looking for a reason to justify this. . . .I'm interested in what new excuses can be given.

1. It's racism

2. He's being 'dumped' after being 'used'

3. He's not the only rule breaker

4. He's not medically fit to live in Nigeria (despite living here for over 30 years prior to moving to the UK)

5. I don't 'think' he should be deported for a driving offence (Despite what the law clearly states that a jail sentence qualifies a person for deportation)

6. Laws are biased against him

More please.


You forgot the key one.

He won 5, not 1 oh or even 2, [size=16pt]5 GOLD [/size]medals for the UK!!! It is these same Gold medals that contributed to the UK economy, paved all the roads in London, provided electricity in the Lewisham area of London, paid more taxes than anyone in the last last year, bailed out the Royal Bank of Scotland and Northern Rock, grin  fed and watered the homeless etc. etc.

In short, Britain benefited a great deal from those Gold medals and it is an absolute travesty, absolute disgrace that Onwubiko is now being sent back to Nigeria with nothing but the Gold medals which he graciously won out of the goodness of his heart for the benefit of all and sundry in Britain including Her Majesty, The Queen. Tragic I tell ya, just tragic!  cry cry
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 9:49pm On Dec 18, 2009
~Sauron~:

You guys are still here?
Mr Onwubiko is already in Lagos munching Agege Bread n Beans. grin


grin grin grin grin grin
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 9:49pm On Dec 18, 2009
George_D:

oh yes. as if he's the only rule breaker in the whole of uk! angry

The only people allowed to stay in the UK after breaking the law are citizens. This man isn't a citizen, he is a guest in our country and so should leave as he has shown blatant disregard for our law.

If I go to Nigeria, US or any other country and show disrespect for their laws, I will be asked to leave to. It is that simple. Britain has enough of its own criminals to deal with as it is and there is no reason why they should continue to fund this man and his law breaking ways.
Celebrities / Re: Breaking News: Actress Caroline Johnson Is Dead! by EloSela(f): 9:41pm On Dec 18, 2009
She was such a beautiful lady! May she rest in peace and I pray that God comforts the loved ones she left behind.
Politics / Re: Nigerian For Deportation After Winning Gold For Britain by EloSela(f): 5:24pm On Dec 18, 2009
He broke the rules so he has to go.

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