chika98:

A bit harsh no?

Not harsh at all. I have had long standing problems with that person stalking my posts on NL and making snide spiteful comments and so that was well deserved.

tpia.:

could have fooled me.

at least when a white british posts here it's quite obvious he or she is white and british.

same goes for AAs and many other nationalities.

And who claimed to be 'white' you twisted bytch?  

silentc:


Elosela I know you directed your comment to cap28, but I would like to respond to that (if you dont mind).

The matter here is that he is someone who is passionate about injustice and prejudice. It doesnt matter if he is going to go to Nigeria today or tommorow. We need people to speak out with regards to what is right or wrong. Prejudice with regards to blacks is wrong.

Some people may say he comes across as bitter, some people see him as passionate about injustice. There are many issues affecting Africa as a continent and Nigeria as a country and when those topics are raised in this forum, we will address them. The topic at hand is injustice abroad. Cap28 has experienced this and is discussing his opinions. His going back to Nigeria has no relation to your own views or experiences (which we want to hear and share) or his.

Yes but, most of Cap28's posts are full of nothing but senseless racist bitter rhetoric in every thread, not just this one. He is free, by all means to wallow in self pity and talk about his own experiences and shortcomings in his life here in the UK. However if he is going assume that every black person in the UK shares his views and feels the way he does then he needs to told.


I for one don’t understand how someone can hate a country so much but choose to live here especially when they have a choice to live in a much better gainful environment like Nigeria.

silentc:


Cap28 says he was born in the UK and I would guess (and please correct me) that you too were born and grew up in the UK.

If Martin Luther King and Rosa Parks were fighting for justice in their home land, then isnt Cap28 doing the same? How many Nigerians in the UK are no more than 2nd generation British i.e their parents grew up in Nigeria? If Martin luther Kings's ancestors were born in the US and as such he can stand up to racism in the US, then is it safe to say your own ancestors who would have been born in Nigeria gives you no right to think that "abroad" is Nigeria but instead home? as you have mentioned above?

Bear in mind I have made an assumption that you have Nigerian parents etc and I stand corrected.

I am not trying to catch you out or "prove" anything to you. Just want to have a healthy debate as your viewpoint is as important as mine.

Cap has clearly stated that the UK is not his home. By his posts it is clearly obvious that he sees Nigeria as his home but some reason he has chosen to reside in the a foreign land, the UK, which, in his view is racist and unjust. I also don't view spewing hatred about a whole race of people on a message board as an adequate way of fighting injustices that he says he has experienced. MRbrownJAY also stated that he felt he was discriminated in UK job market by not being promoted. Did he hang around to bytch all day and night on a public forum? No. My man is off making strides and getting to know the rest of the world instead of resting on his laurels playing the victim like Cap28. I think asking Cap28 if he plans to leave a country that he does not consider home is a valid question.

I don't understand your point. The first time I travelled 'abroad' was to Nigeria. And who told you MLK was Nigerian?

martinosi:

I Beg, make u tell dem O!!! some people are sooo ignorant that
when it comes to Hard work and determination, the Naija Individual born and
raised in Nigeria Beats the Naija individual born and raised in the UK on all levels!!!
Period!!!

And i am saying this as a person that was Born and Raised Partially in the UK and has lived in both countries!!!

Please my Nigerian who are born and raised in the uk and have never has the
"back-bone making expereince" of living in nigeria - dont take offence
but i have learned that you need both sides of the atlantic expereince to trully
be a balanced Nigerian in Identity and soundness of world and national issues!!!

if you dont have it and it not down to any fault of yours, there is a slight probability
that you will always look at things from one side of the mountain and not
have a birds eye view,

One can tell that you weren't raised in the UK from the way you write and you phrase your sentences.
That plus the unnecessary defensiveness is a dead giveaway.

Angie Fan didn’t say anything that denigrated Nigerians or Nigeria in her post; rather she just responded to Cap28’s questions.  Yet without fail, insecure Nigerians and their weak minds still feel the need to come in and boast needlessly about Nigeria.
Yes you may feel that Nigerians in Nigeria are raised better, educated better, have more direction and are stronger mentally than British born Nigerians and that you don’t have mortgages ect but the question still remains…when is Cap28 going to end his misery and leave the UK  

silentc:

It is unconcievable for anyone to say there there is no injustice or discrimination abroad. Thats said, I dont agree with the position of people that say "well look at home in Nigeria as we discriminate too". Off course we do, but we need to stick to the discussion which is referring to injustice abroad. Our views and opinions of this does not affect our views on discrimination in Nigeria. So mentioning that doesnt in anyway help or diversify the conversation which is about injustice abroad.

Also, people who have the opinion, "well if you arent happy abroad, go home" are seeing it from the wrong angle. What is Rosa Parks went home to her roots, what if Martin Luther King went home to his roots, what if Malcom X went home to his roots? These people stood up for injustice and won. They created the first steps to equality that all men deserve. The next steps need to be taken (prejudice and indirect discrimination in the society) and we need to be aware and understand that IT DOES EXIST

In a white dominated country, there is always prejudice. It is easier for the white lower and middle class to survive. The black find it harder to even live an everage life. What i mean is that yes, a few of us make it and succeed (decent job, career  prospects/progression, respect in the industry etc, we just had the first black CEO of a major British company i.e Tidjane Thiam), but majority of blacks find it harder due to the different prejudices out there.

I have not had a bad experience in the UK and I am lucky to be doing well in my field, but I would be foolish to think that those that find it difficult do so because they didnt work hard or arent as good as I am. Yes I work hard and try to be the best in my field, but there are people who are better skilled, more intelligent than I am and are being pushed back because of the prejudice of their skin colour. These guys could have excelled if it wasnt for the prejudices of a white dominated country.

Yes, some of us push and push and achieve our goals, but the pushing to succeed will be a whole lot easier if you were white.

Well for some of us 'abroad' IS Nigeria and so naturally we are going to talk about those times when we felt we were discriminated too.

Furthermore Rosa Parks and Martin Luther Kings were fighting for justice in their home land, a land where their ancestors were born. What other 'home' did you expect them to go to?

Other than that you made some good points.

Quote from: tEsLim on Yesterday at 06:38:30 AM

LOL @ mortgage free house. Anyone got mortgage in naija? we all PAID CASH DOWN !!!! Brute CASH on car, house and other big purchases.

So nobody has a mortgage in Nigeria?  

Katsumuto wrote:

Excuse me but the women were hotter; brown skinned goddesses with african women bodies. The guys were so aggressive always getting into fights over women they didnt know.

Well obviously I ain't checking for the women there. From my perspective the men were hot. Why you would even argue about the view with me, a woman, is stupid, lol.

CAP28

When are you going to end your misery and go back to Nigeria?

Fathers Land Vs Born and Bred Land.

I tend to hear the term ‘Father’s Land’ used a lot on NL and other Nigerian boards with the notion that that is the only land a Nigerian can be patriotic to. Why?

If one is more familiar with their place of birth and the country that they were reared that they are to their father’s land why is that a major crime to other Nigerians who think that that person’s loyalties and patriotism should forever be with Nigeria? Why is that when a person with a notably Nigerian name but who was born and reared abroad chooses to represent the country of their birth they are more or less seen as sell outs or as suffering from self hatred by other Nigerians? Is the fact these people recognise Nigeria as the land of their fathers not enough?

Why the insistence that your father’s land must always be your home when in some cases you are not familiar with it?

What about an Igbo, Urbobo or Hausa person whose family have been in Lagos for years and can even speak Yoruba better than the some indigenous Yorubas? Do they not have the same right to Lagos as the next Lagosian who happens to be Yoruba? Can an Igbo, Urhobo or Ijaw man ever become the governor of Lagos? I have nieces and nephews who were born and bred in Lagos and in the eyes of some they will never ever be indigenes because their parents originated from elsewhere in Nigeria and so I ask this question on their behalf too.

Mama may have, Papa may have but God bless the child that has his own.

Oba234:


see, I understand what u r saying. I just don't dwell on racist actions against me because I am too busy to notice. If nobody wanted my apt, I would just move on and wouldn't think twice about it.

that's also the way I choose to live.

I started my life living around some of the worst racists to ever walk the earth. For instance Millwall football ground was located right behind our garden and every Saturday during football season we used to see the living amount of skinheads and other racist thugs walking down our street to attend the game. My older brothers were avid football fans but I don't recall them ever attending a match as these guys made their hatreds for blacks quite clear back then.

One of my earliest memories is when I was playing outside in the street aged 2 or 3 and being approached by a skinhead. The man had blood streaming down his head and was dressed in the typical attire of doc martins, jeans and leather with a load of tattoos and I wasn't even scared. This guy was followed by another group of skinheads who asked me if I had seen the first one. I told them no and they went on their way. It was a way of life back then in our part of London. circa early 80s.

First time was in Nigeria.

I have travelled quite a bit myself but can only rem a few times I have been discriminated against.

a bit sketchy but here goes.

When I first went to Nigeria as a child I tried to join the Igbo dance troupe of the school that I attended briefly but couldn’t as I wasn’t the right ethnic group.

My mother was attacked by armed robbers and robbed of all her belongings in Sapele but till today noone has been apprehended for the crime. This was over 10 years ago.

My older sister had some trouble with a tenant and so called the police in Lagos. It so happens that the Policeman knew the tenant and arrested my sister instead.

In America,  Detroit. Airport officials couldn’t understand how a black woman could carry a British passport and so I was detained in a room full of Mexicans and spoken to loudly in English e.h. The same thing happened in Houston and Dallas. The last straw was in Detroit where I made a complaint and received an apology.

In Madrid I did loads of shopping and so was walking around with a load of bags. One time I overheard some people talking a referring to me and my friend as ‘Putas’ which means love-peddler in Spanish. Apparently Spaniards are not used to seeing Black women spending loads of money and think that anyone doing so is surely a love-peddler. I had no problems in Barcelona. The joke is I wasn’t even spending that much I was there during sale season looking for bargains in the Zara and Mango warehouse….lol!

When I applied for a visa for India I followed all the instructions for British Nationals however when I handed the application in I was told that it was incomplete. Apparently all British nationals of Nigerian descent also require a letter from their employers and some other ridiculous thing…can’t rem what it was now but I was livid and if I hadn’t already purchased my ticket I would have cancelled the trip altogether.

I eventually got my visa though and had a fabulous time in Mumbai. People stared a lot though as there are not many black people there…plus they were fascinated with my hair which was in braids. Plus they kept calling me Venus Williams although I look nothing like her. .   .  .lol!

People in Tokyo were quite apprehensive but once you got talking to them they were quite friendly. They were also fascinated with my hair.

When I was in Brazil I stayed in the most Africanized part of the country Salvador, Bahia and people assumed that I was one of them until I opened my mouth. The men in Bahia were HOT!

Here is the Pirate Party manifesto.

Short form manifesto
We will give the public the following new rights:

The right to share files provided no money changes hands.
The right to format shift and time shift data.
The right of access to government funded data.
The right to compensation for government data loss.
The right to safely encrypt private data.
The right to apply to a court for compensation where data protection laws have been broken.
The right for constituents to force a by-election.
The right to pay only for the fraction of the claimed broadband speed that an ISP actually delivers.
The right to be a whistleblower.
The right for photographers and filmmakers to go about their business without persecution under anti-terror laws.
The right for disabled people to demand an unrestricted version of DRM protected content where that is necessary to allow them to access it.
We will reform outdated laws:

We will abolish drug patents, replacing them with subsidies.
We will reduce the length of copyright to 10 years.
We will provide exemptions to patent law for non-commercial use, personal study and academic research.
We will introduce system of compulsory patent licensing
We will reform libel law.
We will prohibit the abuse of RIPA powers.
We will remove loopholes in copyright and patent law.

We will protect the public from abuses of new technology:



We will forbid third parties from intercepting or monitoring communication traffic
We will introduce a mandatory warning label on products that include DRM.
We will introduce laws on the acceptable use of CCTV and DNA samples.
We will legislate in favour of net neutrality.
We will introduce stronger data protection laws
We will not allow government censorship of the internet
We will put into action the government's Open Source Action Plan.
We will require the BBC to release all their content under a Creative Commons licence.
We will prevent the BBC from using DRM technology.
We will ensure better computing education in schools.

I should have registered my protest vote with them.

@ Sauron
I disagree with your view of expartriates vs immigrants but won't discuss further in this thread.

Back on Topic

So nobody voted for the Pirate Party?

~Sauron~:

I don't see any difference. . . . Maybe you need to look it up.
Who is to say who will return back to their country and who wouldn't?

It's just sheer hypocrisy for the Brits to be termed as expatriates in foreign lands and foreigners are called immigrants here.
U cannot tell me every foreigner in this country ALL have the intention to live on State benefits and not return back to their roots.

That is what i am aiming at.
Expatriates are not necessarily professionals. If a Soho junkie decides to go and stay in Nigeria, he will be described as an expatriate(by the Brits).

Well if they don't return to their countries and seek to be a citizen of their host country then they are immigrants. Happy now?

kadman:

Elo Sela, you didn't vote BNP ? How come ? Big surprise, I thought you were the average s"elf-hating black woman who supported BNP", whom would have promptly kicked you out of the party and out of their country when they won. Guess I was wrong - didn't see that coming.  

Oh so now I am self-hating because I don't like you? Whatever makes you happy.

By the way I voted for the Happening Happy Hippy Party. Was thinking of going for the Rock and Roll looney Party but decided that they were too much like Labour and Britain needs a change so Happening Happy Hippy Party it was.

The Pirate Party anyone? ?  ?

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/05/07/piraty_party_general_election_results/

The Pirate Party UK put in a dismal performance at the General Election last night, after its nine candidates garnered a total of just 1,127 votes between them with one result still to come in.

The party's leader, Andrew Robinson - who picked up just 173 votes in Worcester - claimed his anti-copyright outfit had a "relatively successful" contest at the ballot box.

I am not surprised at the vote for the BNP and can’t believe that any one ever took them seriously anyway. One of the reasons why I never take anyone seriously on here who uses the BNP stance to argue that  I am not British …  


Moving on
Did anyone vote for the Monster Raving Looney party? Lol How about the Fancy dress party??  

~Sauron~:

The 'immigration' noise is what i can't stand about these useless Brits.

When a Brit emigrates to another country he wishes to be called an expatriate implying that he is something special.
If he were to be described in the host country as an immigrant, he would probably be quite insulted and file a lawsuit.

On the other hand, an expatriate Nigerian or whatever nationality in this country is described as an 'immigrant' implyiing that he is a creature of lesser value, looking out to scrounge and live on State benefits regardless of his qualifications/certifications.

The hypocrisy is sometimes nauseating.

You do know that there is a stark difference between and expatriate and an immigrant don’t you? Expatriates are usually skilled professionals with existing jobs and tasked by their employers to work in a different part of the world and they usually have plans to come back to their home country and also don't try an seek citizenship in the countries that they are working in. An immigrant is totally different. Look it up.

Meldrick:

My response is that BBC will do anything to get what they want. They will go as far as paying unpatriotic Nigerians to denounce their country. You fail to realize Nigeria is a third world nation and don't expect miracles so soon. The challenges we face in our nation are peculiar with third world countries and gradually we will triump but the truth is we have slupms in UK but BBC will promote the good job done by it's government and do everything to pull down developing nations. This is the trick of Globalisation.

They didn't fuss about it but does that mean it is right or the best approach? The Chinese did not fuss about it doesn't mean it is the best approach to issues of sort. We must reject it outrightly.

So you are saying that the BBC paid that individual to write that response?

Honestly speaking though I think you should speak for yourself. You are of course entitled to your opinion about this been nothing but a ploy by the BBC to bring down Nigeria. I on the other hand found the program uplifting and insightful. For once Nigeria was portrayed as a country full of resourceful, hardworking, optimistic and ambitious people instead of fraudsters, scammers and crooked politicians.

tinventor:

for some of you who thinks the title is appropriate and it is good to show Lagos as only a conglomerate of SLUMS read bellow

i was once asked by an ADULT Briton this question

DO NIGERIA HAVE ROADS, IS THERE STREET LIGHTS IN NIGERIA, DO YOU HAVE CARS THAT RUN ON ROADS, ARE THE HOUSE FAR FROM ONE ANOTHER IN A FOREST,

i almost answered that we live on trees, and all the appliances been sent to Nigeria are used on trees, such a dumb question from a married adult, but it is not his fault he is ignorant because all the information fed him by his country is that nigeria is a jungle

ON CNN Every nation try to showcase its beautifull side but why will the international media always show Our bad Side

Please. Only an Idiot would take the words of a fellow Idiot as indicative of the perspective of millions of people worldwide who watched the program
Do you think all the Non Nigerians were not aware that it was other well off Nigerians providing rubbish to the dump in Ojota?
Do you think all the non-Nigerians who watched the program thought that it was foreigners driving in cars on the 'magnificent' third mainland bridge?
Do you think all the non-Nigerians who watched the program thought that third mainland bridge and the Lagos skyline they showed was part of another city?
Do you think all the non-Nigerians who watched the program misunderstood when the narrator clearly said at the start of the program "This is not certainly the best part of Lagos" .  .  .  .?

Meldrick:

Of course Fashola is just too busy for self praises. The time he will waste in doing that , he invests in making Lagos the place to be.

And even the common man in Lagos understands the form journalism has taken. Even the common man understands all attempt made by the international media, government of foreign nations like Britain and (internal collaborators like urself) in playing down countries like Nigeria using all propagandist means just to stay afloat in international scene.
But if indeed they had a clear intention, they should have met the chief executive of the state and had a fair comparison on the development and transformation taken place in Lagos with previous years.

You see the problem with people like you is that you sit over there casting aspersions, worshipping the Britons and ready to recieve anything from them just to appear on TV and play down your country. Then with people like you, there is a conclusion - (public opinin)

Meldrick you don't speak for the common man on the street.

Here is what one wrote on the BBC Blog.

187. At 00:35am on 27 Apr 2010, oudeaf wrote:
Largely through good fortune, I have escaped from the slums and I say to you Nigerians who believe that the lives of slum dwellers portrays your Nigeria negatively, HOW DARE YOU? WHO DO YOU THINK YOU ARE? You think the pathetic parody of Western culture that you live out is a more positive image than mine? You think you impress your British landlords with your affected accent and "Britishness"? Is that why you tell your British colleagues that you're a prince? I can't believe this degree of delusional egotism. So we from the slums embarrass you? I don't begrudge you that emotion, but that you're brazen enough to declare in public that my life is a negative reflection on you? HOW DARE YOU?!

When my kids are old enough to understand, they'll watch these documentaries not to see how far I've come or how hard life can be, but to see the human values that I want them to imbibe. Determination. Resourcefulness. Humility. Personal responsibility. Rejection of self pity. Appreciation for life. Introspection. Love. All in the face of extreme adversity. The irony is that if you moved to the UK from Nigeria as an adult, it is likely that these same qualities that you've tragically failed to see in the documentary are what got you there.

Say whatever you want about the BBC, racists, colonialism, etc but saying that the honest struggles of a man is a negative portrayal of you or your country is a despicable ,  and if that struggling man is/was me, what I think of you is unprintable here

And your response is?

Again this documentary was not supposed to be a political showcase for Nigeria. If Nigeria want that then they are more than capable of doing so themselves without the help of the BBC. Case in point the BBC decided to make a documentary which showcased the hard working resourceful men and women of Nigeria and in particular Lagos. These people gracefully allowed us into their lives and livelihoods and for that I am grateful. As the Financial Times said, these people are Nigeria's greatest assets and I hope people like you and the Nigerian government realise that soon.
Had such a program been shot anywhere else like in Britain for instance these people would have become instance celebrities by now but of course as it is the majority of Nigerians are ashamed. Ironically these are the same Nigerians who will praise crooks like Ibori who bleed their society dry.

Meldrick:

No No, u are very wrong on that. A lot of transformation is going on in Lagos and BBC will not show a documentary on that. Lagos of 2005 is not the same Lagos of 2010 but trust BBC they will always show the slums in Lagos and they become blind when they get to Victoria Island and other parts of Lagos that have been transformed. The funny thing is after doing their dirty jobs in Lagos, they lodge in exotic hotels in Lagos before going to their country.

The BBC went to Nigeria in 2009 and that is what they saw. If Fashola wants to promote his work in Lagos then he should make an interesting documentary on the city and flog it to the international news stations and they will buy it if is entertaining enough to their audience.

As it is the BBC documentary told the story of real life people in Lagos, it wasn't a promotional political tour of Lagos which many of you don't get. It is time the common man in Nigeria stood up and told his story after being ignored by the Nigerian media and that is exactly what this BBC documentary allowed them to do. People in Britain are not interested in watching stuffed up Nigerian politicians telling us about how they transformed their city. If you want to watch that the watch the BBC's Africa program which comes on BBC news. I posted a news clip earlier.

The funny thing is after doing their dirty jobs in Lagos, they lodge in exotic hotels in Lagos before going to their country.

Where do you expect them to stay? Those hotels may be the best in Nigeria but it may just be that they are an acceptable standard in terms of security and other facilities for those foreign visitors to stay. You make it seem as though they had other options.

And for u saying they have shown those types of documentaries on USA, China and Britain. It's a lie.

Do you live in England? There are plenty of negative stories about Britain on our TV and radio stations. Not too long ago BBC had a 'White' Season on where they focused on downtrodden white people who refused to work or further their education and training preferring to live on the dole. They showed these people in rundown council flats living only to sign on and go to the pub to drink the night away. Theirs was a miserable existence.
I don't recall their being any outcry at those series of programs which focused on the worst of white people. I don't recall anyone getting their knickers in a twist and coming up with ridiculous statements saying that because the program didn't focus on all creeds of white people it should have been called 'The downtrodden white season' and not 'The white season'

http://www.bbc.co.uk/white/

This report in 2008 puts the population of Ajegunle at 1.5million

Megaslum - Lagos

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/LFgb1BdPBZo[/flash]

frosbel:



welcome to Lagos was appropriate.

What upsets me is that a few priviledged want the world to see the places of opulence so that they can make endless boasts of vanity.

Fashola is trying but he MUST concentrate his efforts on slums like Ajengunle.

These are human beings no less different than you and me.

Kudos to Fashola but he needs to do more.

My sentiments exactly! The title was apt and appropriate as it focused on a variety of human beings like you and me who had lived in Lagos all their lives. Others may not think so but to me those people who were given a stage to tell us about their lives are the epitome of all what is good in Lagos or Nigeria for that matter, not the posh houses and pretentious egomaniacs in Lekki and VI.

I would also like Fashola to concentrate, to focus on developing these areas with the well being of those good people in mind. Let the rich look after themselves.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=10826005

Ajegunle, a sprawling slum of about 5 million residents on the outskirts of Lagos

http://www.irinnews.org/report.aspx?reportid=60811

It is already one of the world’s mega-cities – a crime-ridden, seething mass of some 15 million people crammed into the steamy lagoons of southwest Nigeria. Two out of three Lagos residents live in a slum with no reliable access to clean drinking water, electricity, waste disposal - even roads.As the city population swells by up to eight percent every year, the slums and their associated problems are growing.

If do my calculations correctly the bolded above would suggest that there were at least 10 million people living in slums in 2006 when the article was written. Not far off from the BBC's figure of 11 million in 2010 and believable since the rate of immigration to Lagos has also increased since that time.

http://www.buildaid.org/docs/megaslums.pdf

A slum household is a "group of individuals living under the same roof that lack one or more: access of safe water, access to sanitation, secure tenure, durability of housing and sufficient living area"

Lagos, Nigeria. There are more than 100 slum settlements around Lagos, over twice as many as the 42 identified in 1983. Many are volatile and dangerous. Governor of Lagos, Nigeria said two-thirds of Lagos State’s total landmass could be classified as slums; “no one knows for sure the size of the population, let alone the number of murders each year or the rate of HIV infection.”

Sources: UN Habitat, Daily Times of Nigeria, UNESCO, UN Publications, World Resources Institute.

Grant Mitchell in Ajegunle!!!

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/tO0hQHou1cw&feature=related[/flash]



Part of search for real life Pirates series on Sky 1

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/ZGsNSwcS6lc&feature=related[/flash]

So $2million wasn't enough to get Beyonce or was this nothing but a rumour all along?

lizzybabe1:

LOL @ Sagamite. But don't you think you need to know how Dagrin really dead and how Bella really marriage? Please bought your copy now!

Did Beyonce really went to marriage?

BBC Report on Lekki free Trade Zone. For those who claim the BBC only focus on the worst of Nigeria.

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/nk1bG57flNw&feature=player_embedded[/flash]

The BBC Trust in Nigeria

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/DGv4WtaQiqs[/flash]

Part 2 now on YouTube.


[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/HQZFy0K5v0I&feature=related[/flash]

Part 1 of 2 above. You should be able to find subsequent parts on there 2

It isn't hard to believe that 11 million out 17 million people in Lagos live in slums.

All you need to do is to count the number of reasonably good areas or houses with good plumbing and electricity to those not so good areas or houses without the basic amenities.

@Frosbel

In the video you posted before was the man in red really doing a no.2 in public at 2.11? , I have heard about this being the case in Lagos but I have never seen it My eyes! My eyes!

[flash=400,345]http://www.youtube.com/watch/v/k0wEDHSGNkY&feature=player_embedded#![/flash]

Eziachi:

The reaction of many Nigerians irked by the greatest service a foreign media has done them by highlighting a sort of Nigeria many like myself never knew existed, reminds me something that happened during my secondary school days before the civil war broke out. I was a student then of the famous Bishop Shanahan College in the then old Orlu divisional province in the Eastern region.
We were told by our then principal (A white Priest) that the deputy premier of the region (Dr Ibiam) and other government officials will be visiting our school and few day to the visit, the Orlu provincial council chairman then breezed into our school asking that so many things be changed for the visit. Asking that unpaved tracks within the school should be covered and all sorts of cosmetic changes should be affected to impress out august visitor (Dr Ibiam).
But our white Priest Principal was furious and told him to go to hell. He said that it will be silly to make the school cosmetically look good beyond what it will normally look. That it will serve us better for the politician and his entourage to witness how we will look normally, so that he can address our needs instead of pretending to be alright or showing off a false image that doesn’t match with reality of our school everyday life.
And that is what we did, even though we cleaned up the school but we made no attempt to hide our short comings and you know what, when Dr Ibiam left, few months later, he commissioned that we get a brand new laboratory, a new dining hall, three new sets of football jerseys because he was shown our old ragged one and then demanded that all road leading into the school and all the dusty road inside the school to be tarred with immediate effect and within eight months after his visit we got all that. Unfortunately the whole thing was bombed down by the Nigerian air force during the war.
So in a country that means business and values progress, BBC should have been congratulated for showing the real Nigerians that live a life without the oil wealth. Those in government should have admitted that many years of neglect created these slums but they are doing something now about them gradually, probably ask the BBC to come back in a couple of years time to see the difference in the area or the individual characters featured on the programme. Instead you have the half baked morons of citizens and their corrupt elite rulers and good for nothing diplomats complaining on why the wrong people were shown instead the normal faces on the NTA networks. This programme has shown the world that an average Nigerian is peaceful, hardworking and not everybody does 419 and it’s not poverty per-say that drove the people into 419 but greed. But our useless Nigerians will not see the positive from the programme because they are not use to the truth. They preferred to be lied to instead.
Now you can see why every nation had the kind of leaders they got. The reason being the governed.

Very well put!

Hi OP

Can you provide an official link as evidence of what the BBC actually said please. I doubt they would make such a statement without having hardcore stats to back it up.

honeric01
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My dict's definition :

slum [slum]
noun (plural slums)
poor area: an overcrowded area of a city in which the housing is typically [/b]in [b]very bad condition (often used in the plural)No


Now, what is your own definition? what is a very bad house like?

in my own words

A house without water, without good drainage, immobile, lack of proper ventilation, lack of privacy is a very bad conditional house. if this is what a slum means, then they might be right, but 11million people living in this kinda house in Lagos? i doubt that.

so let me break it down a little.

6-8million people live in the above described condition in my book.

4-6million people live in houses with water, good drainage, but around the above described condition.

that is 14million people already, so how did they come up with the 11million ratio of slum dwellers? did they go about checking the houses to know if they contain the basic needed appliances/materials of a standard house?

Out of all the houses in Lagos, how many actually have running water, a flushing toilet, good drainage system?  

Sagamite:

Do you have an understanding of the difference between a BBC production and a BBC recording?

How old are you? 

You obviously have issues trying to differentiate between the two.

What is your point is your point? You provided me with a scenario of questions which I answered but you still used your subjectivity to state that I was incorrect. Now you see you are losing the argument you have decided to go down the innuendo route. 'How old am I'? Please take a look at yourself and try to decide if your style of reasoning reflects your age.

Sagamite:



Why did you post this?

What has this got to do with what we are discussing? 

I posted that you video entitled 'Welcome to Britain' which showed the worst in British culture i.e. Chav life, street drugs, homeless people, rundown council estates and hoodies etc. This video doesn't highlight anything good about Britain but it still doesn't invalidate the title and if you read the youtube comments you will also see that no one is busting their gut trying to prove that the title is incorrect.

Another example would be another BBC with the same tag 'Welcome to Britain' which focused on children from foreign countries seeking asylum. These children were put through the rigmarole of a heartless home office and highlighted the government's inadequacies which allowed young children to be locked up in detention centres. Again where were the complaints about that program not showing Britain as a whole and using that as reason to object to the title? At least in the Lagos documentary it was about real people, Nigerians who lived and worked in Lagos and not about immigrants from nearby Niger who begged for a living in Tejusho. My stance remains, there was nothing wrong with the title of the Lagos documentary. If you have a complaint then forwarded it to OfCom who will contact the BBC who will be more than happy to highlight the disclaimer the narrator stated at the start of the program. Again for the hard of understanding; "This is certainly NOT the best part of Lagos. . . . . ."

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