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@D-Loaded

You are completely wrong about me. Maybe I am just able to exercise a bit more rationale than you are and that does not equate to groveling. Again bringing Rosa parks into this equation only highlights your own stupidity and ignorance on this issue.

So did this man actually speak up because the Deportee was making too much noise or because he really felt the man was dying?

What is the beef here? Nigerians being mistreated by BA or Deportees being allowed on commercial flights?

I really can't wait till the American flights start doing direct flights to Nigeria. One thing I do love about the Americans is that they do not take shit on their planes and I can bet you that there is going to be a load of fun and games when it comes to dealing with Nigerians on their flight.

I have been on a Delta airlines flight in mid-air when the Pilot has threatened to land at the nearest airport to have unruly passengers taken off and charged.

Thank you very much Kobojunkie!

It is nice to know that we indeed have some sensible clear-thinking Nigerians among us.

Some Nigerians always like to cry blue murder in another man's country over the slightest but in the meantime their butts are getting kicked left right and centre back home by those who have been elected to represent them.

Comparing Mr.Omotade's ordeal to Rosa Parks is laughable at best!

Upon all the passion that has been unleashed in this thread no one has yet come up with a solid reason as to why Mr. Omotade felt it was necessary to interfere with police duties. Was he the only one on the plane that heard the man's cries?

Lets break it down:

He heard someone crying "I go die!"


'I go die' and not 'I don die!'. Anyone who understands pidgin would know that the latter meant that the person in question was probably under undue physical pressure and pain from the people trying to deport them. Does Mr.Omotade mention anything about the state of the deportee? Was the person really dying? Was he being sat upon by several policeman? He doesn't and I am sure if that had been the case Mr.Omotade would have used that to strengthen his beef against BA and the Police.

However 'I don die' was not said. Mr. Omotade clearly states that the person cried 'I go die'. What did he think that meant? To me that means that the person was desperately trying to tell the police that if he was sent back to Nigeria he would 'die'. What did Mr Omotade think he could achieve by speaking up to the Police in that scenario. They would cancel the deportation and let the man go free to stay in the UK so he would not die again?

I agree that Deportees should not be allowed on commercial flights. but then again I do understand that most are quite graceful when being deported while some are not, as it was in the case of this individual.

Ama Sumani, the Ghanaian lady (RIP) that was dying from cancer was deported gracefully, she even made friends with the immigration officials. It is important to remember that deportees are not criminals in the regular sense and so why shouldn't they be allowed on commercial flights?

Whose to say whether certain individuals are going to take being deported in such an undignified manner? So much so that they should be deported like the common criminal that is being transferred between international prisons?

I have witnessed a deportation on BA where the lady cried throughout the whole flight, saying that when she got to Nigeria she would be killed. This lady was in a wheelchair and she cried that there was no one to look after her in Nigeria and that she would surely die. These desperate cries went on and on until someone told her to shut up and to stop embarrassing Nigeria. I suspect that the guys on Mr.Omotade's flight probably felt the same when they heard, 'I go die!'

The UK is the least racist out of all the European countries and so trying to compare the way they exercise the deportation orders to other countries such as Amsterdam and Spain is totally irrelevant. The British Police are well known for watching their back when it comes to sensitive issues like this and so if there really was not a legitimate cause to arrest Mr.Omotade then they certainly would not have done so in front of nearly 200 witnesses.

"We take any threats against our crew or passengers very seriously and this kind of behaviour will not be tolerated."

The 135 passengers that were ordered off the plane by the Pilot because of the riotous scenes that followed, were later booked on other flights after they had calmed down. Now if that had happened in any other European country or in The US I reckon that they could have easily have been locked up and charged. If you ask me they got off lightly. Causing a ruckus just before the plane is about to take off does not go down lightly in this post 9-11, terrorism age, whether you be black, white, pink or Nigerian!

I also find it hard to believe that BA would take off with Mr.Omotade's luggage when that is against rule no.1 in the airline industry. Post the Lockerbie disaster, it is unheard of.

I am well aware that my views are controversial but the comparison of Mr. Omotade's ordeal to that of Rosa Park's only serves to highlight the stupidity and ignorance of a couple of people in this thread. Just because somebody overreacted to the cries of a deportee on a flight it doesn't make it a national civil rights issue.

I have traveled on BA several times to Nigeria and I have always been treated fairly and with respect. I will admit that sometimes I have noticed some staff be a bit short with one or two other passengers but I wouldn't blame them. Sometimes some [/b]Nigerians just do not know how to behave and most times they end up disrespecting themselves before somebody else does.

[b]
But guess what? BA also travels to other black countries with planes full of black people, such as Ghana, The Gambia and many other Caribbean and African nations. Why do we only get reports of sub-standard service on the Nigerian route? Could it be that because some Nigerians realize that BA make a lot of money on the route they can throw their weight around on the plane? As they say, you treat others as you would like to be treated, a policy that is lost on some Nigerians.



[size=16pt]Instead of focusing your energy trying to boycott BA why don't you try a protest against the Nigerian aviation authority which considers Nigerian life cheaper than shit by not caring one way or the other, to make sure that all planes that operate within the country meet certain flight regulations and international standards.

Do you even know how many thousands of Nigerians have been killed in plane crashes over the past decade alone because of negligence? Do you remember the plane full of school children that crashed in late 2006? No? But you can quote Mr.Omotade's word for word when he obviously, in my view made a wrong call. . . [/size]

Until I come across evidence that suggests otherwise.


I suppose it is about picking the right battles. . .

@Taylor 08
I live in London and so I have always (except one time) flown to Nigeria with either British Airways or Virgin as they are the only direct flights to Lagos.

I have also witnessed several deportations and each time as I have mentioned before, there is always drama.

My view still stands.

Next time Mr.Omotade will not interfere with police duties/deportation order.

I would also like to hear from the deportee

SeanT21:
I understand your pain. They were just plain foolish

They wont try that in the US. In America is called freedom of speech. All you were doing was excercising your freedom of speech. I guess they don't have that in England.

Damn ENGLISHMEN, forgive them they don't know what they were doing.

This has nothing to do with freedom of speech.

I highly doubt that anyone in their right mind would interfere in a deportation order/ police duties being carried out at any American airport of all places.

Post 9-11, one is more likely to get up to 10 years in the state pen as Americans don't piss about when handing out sentences. . .especially when it comes to black people!

@Waleab

My point is is that he wasn't the only Nigerian on the plane but he was the only one banned.

Obviously he was arrested for interfering in Police business and charged accordingly. BA then took it a step further and banned him for life. I know Mr. Omotade feels that he was treated unfairly and so is speaking out but why aren't the others? There should be no shortage of witnesses in a case such as this one.

It must also be noted that the western media never tend to gloss over the ills in their society like the Nigerians do.

On the BBC, there is a whole section related to poverty in the UK and on CNN America, plenty of stories relating to those Americans who are clinging to the lower rung of society. This is one sign that the plights of such people are being noted and talked about, with a view to drastic reforms being implemented. The current Shannon Mathew’s story in the UK is an example.

Why are Nigerians more concerned about saving face than dealing more than 70% of the population who cannot afford 3 meals a day? The Nigerian media are more concerned about reporting on the latest development in Abuja and latest Owambe party in London. But when someone exposes their a$$ for them they cry foul. But still, they do nothing.

@Elgaxton

I will admit that it is a tricky one to call. However everybody knows that if you see the police arresting someone in the street and you go to intervene as a member of the public you are asking for it.

Obviously the deportee did not want to be returned back to Nigeria hence the reason for the histrionics. I have witnessed such deportations myself and each time there is drama.

I also reckon that the pilot had no choice but to remove the offending passengers because I, for one, would not have wanted to be on plane full of people who were already riled up.

Piloting a plane is tricky enough without it being full of rowdy people who have already shown that are prepared to face the aircrew in an aggressive manner should they find something disagreeable. I would rather the Pilot and crew not risk being distracted like that on my flight.

But ask yourself this, why was Mr. Omotade the only person, out the 130 odd people banned from BA for life?

Weren’t the others Nigerian and black too? At least the others were re booked on other flights and allowed to continue on their journey; but why was it different for him?

Was it because he spoke up? In what manner did he speak up? Did he forcefully try and stop the police from handling the deportee or did he simply ask them why (we all know why? ) Why did he feel it was necessary to speak up when the other 136 passengers, who were consequentially asked to leave the flight when they witnessed Mr.Omotade being arrested, didn’t?

I think Mr. Omotade is not telling all. Remember there are two sides to every story and I would like to hear from at least 5 of the others who were removed from the flight before I call this one.

oldie:
I am sorry, I will prefer they do this than being jobless, thats my point

These are children not adults!

They are allowed to be jobless as they should be in school and not risking their health trying to feed themselves!

It is disgusting. In the meantime the Government is trying to keep up with the Joneses by spending billions in Abuja when really the money should be going into programs to help the poor. . .

oldie:
They are not scavenging for food.
They scavenge for things they can recycle like metal, bottles or jars.
These items are big business locally.
Better this than joblessness!

You think it is alright for young children to risk their health scavenging in putrid green waters and disease infested rubbish pits for things to sell?

@4Play

I totally agree.

As we don't have a section for news or current affairs, I have decided to post this photo journal here.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/shared/spl/hi/picture_gallery/08/africa_nigeria0s_rubbish_scavengers/html/1.stm

I know of lot of you have misgivings about the western media’s portrayal of Nigeria but I for one don’t have an issue with it.

The Nigerian media would never report something like this and so, as you would have it, these people end up being forgotten by the Government who is failing them miserably.

If anything such images should be used to name and shame the Government into taking drastic action to help improve the lives of its people.

@Blackcat

You are being silly.

It is attitudes like this that have led to the destruction of the Zimbabwean economy.

Nigeria has a lot of land that has been laying untouched since the beginning of time and and these farmers can use their skills to farm on a large scale while also contributing to the economy. After all it is not only oil that will soon run dry that Nigerians will eat.

I am sure the next time Mr.Omotade witnesses someone being deported he will keep his mouth shut and stay in his seat. The same goes for the others who were removed from the flight. Nonsense!

vikiviko:
Irrespective of what people say Nigeria remains a goldmine, people are making it big time here. The other day i saw my first bank share certificate, japaul  and dangote, the  margins are too good to be true.

It is easier to be  succesful and wealthy legitimately in Nigeria than anywhere in the world. go ask Dangote.
Agreed curruption is a bane but it is must common to all men and society.

Developments are ongoing in virtually the 36 states,the roads today in Lagos are better , check Adeola ODEKU RD, Ajose ADEOGUN in V/I.
Cross Rivers state is now a tourism haven, the tinapa project, obudu ranch are develoments.

Perhaps individaully we have failed ourselves, if every Nigerian can devlop and grow at its maximum capacity the society as a whole will be better.


It should be on all stages. The one thing that we have to consistently keep doing is to, as much as possible, build our own capa-bilities.  
We have businessmen who can compete in the global market. We have schools that can produce the kind of skills that the global economy requires.

We must stay focused on these areas of our national lives. I believe that it's the way forward for us. We are not going to tell the world, 'stop and let us catch up'

I said I would try to keep this thread positive and I will try. 

However, I would like to ask, what is the Government doing much to decrease the poverty rate in Nigeria, to improve education facilities and resources for those who cannot afford to attend private school and is health even on the agenda?

You mentioned roads in VI, I think the roads in that part of Lagos were somewhat decent by Nigerian standards anyway. Was this new work to the roads, an enhancement or a well needed fix? What about the roads in the other parts of the country and Lagos, like Mushin, Ajegunle etc?

It seems like when anybody talks about an improvements in Nigeria they always focus on the ones 'making money and hitting it big. This is good but will the ones who aren't business men or woman ever be noticed in a country where it is obvious that if you are poor, you don't count!

@Blackcat.
The question should be . . .what are YOU guys in Nigeria doing to help YOUR country?

It may not seem that way on the face of it but I do believe that Nigerians at home have more power and opportunities to help the country from within than those abroad.

Stop all this constant crying for help, get off your backsides and help yourselves! Because you know when help is received from the outside Nigerians will always find some kind of issue to whinge about! The key is Nigerians should change their attitude. When someone gives you lemon you should make lemonade instead of moaning about why you couldn’t get the lemonade to begin with!

That being said, I have tried to do my bit in the past helping out a couple local schools but unfortunately I was taken advantage of and so I will not bother in future. . . for now.

Nigerians are inherently corrupt and the more they remain in that mindset then the less, outsiders will be willing to help. When I was in The Gambia, I saw quite a few African American students helping the local schools there. When I asked why they didn’t go to Nigeria I was looked at sideways.

@Kemmy100

You didn't answer the question.

What would you have done in your own country, Nigeria?

Is racism against the law in Finland?

In Nigeria, Nigerians will not demand their human rights but then they will do so once they are outside the country and cry 'racism' when they feel their pleas are ignored.

You claim Nigerians are third class citizens in another mans country but what class of citizen are most Nigerians in their own country?

Ok I didn't read all because you were off on a tangent again. But I did spot the below. . .

you r making it sound like im trying to win you over or something,theres nothing farther from the truth,you think in a country of more than 40 million nigerians i care one way or another what one person thinks??

Which country has over 40million Nigerians? If you say the UK then I will say that you are definitely on drugs. LOL!

@Kemmy100


Why did you expect the police to do anything anyway? Is racial abuse against the law in Finland?

I think you must have had a lot of time on your hands to call the police and then wait for them to get the drunk to apologize.

You should have simply told him to f*uck off and gone on your way.

If you were abused on the street in Nigeria, what would you have done? Called the police or simply given as good as you got?

Lucabrasi

All the buildings in Abuja can not match all the buildings in the UK. You need to get out more. For starters is there even 24 hour light in Abuja? And how much of Abuja is actually developed? LOL!

Please stop worrying about my citizenship, it does not concern you. . .at least you are not the person making the law and deciding who is a citizen of which country. And there is no need to explain who you are to me because I haven't asked. You could be an Alien from Mars for all I care.

We already know that you are a Nigerian and that you love the country to bits but you are out in the real world now without Daddy and Mummy. You are sure to meet many who will not have similar romantic and patriotic ideas about Nigeria so deal with it!

I have been to quite a few places in West Africa including The Gambia, Senegal and Ghana and these places are miles better (in terms of progression and order) than Nigeria, the so-called 'Giant of Africa'. Where have you been in the world?

In Nigeria, I have been to Lagos, (lived in)Sapele, Warri, Abuja, Kano and Benin as well as some of the surrounding villages.

Fuji music is played in The Galleria so your theory on why the man from Mushin might not go there doesn't wash. The reason why he wouldn't go there is because places like that are not targeted at him and the 70% of the population who lives in abject poverty. So to reiterate, the majority of Nigerians do not go there!


You brought your father into this conversation, moaning about how he had paid 9000gbp to send you to study against your will in England and so don't start complaining now when I offer a theory as to why you feel so much bitterness towards the British people and in particular, the Black ones. I stand by what I said about you thinking you deserve better treatment because of who your father is. Next time, if you don't want your father brought into the conversation then don't bring him up! Simple!

The majority of Nigerians do not pay tax. Do you even know what the percentage of tax is? What about Sales tax? 70% of the country lives in abject poverty. It seems that you are ignoring these people by only taking the few who have proper jobs into consideration and who can maybe afford to go to places like The Galleria and Palm Springs.

Shame on you!

The pure water seller, groundnut seller, Mamaputs, the mechanics, Bus Conductors and drivers plus everybody else who has to fend for themselves without a supportive Government do not pay tax! What about the millions who farm their own land and sell its produce to survive? Do they pay? I don't blame them sef because even if I was working in Nigeria I would not be handing my money over to a Government who is more likely to spend it on a private jet than on ensuring every citizen had free health care or improving the local schools and roads either! Please remove your shades and smell the coffee.

Where did I say anything about the Asians being 75% of the pop. in the UK?

Again, Eastenders is fiction. Get over it!

Yes you have a right to your views but don't be surprised when someone tells you that you are in denial.

On the other hand I admire your patriotic stance but I at the same time I think you should really try to sell that BS you are spewing on here to someone else who is more likely to buy.

Anyway I am tired of this topic. You continue to live in your bubble if it makes you happy and I will continue to state my views where I see fit!

Tara!

There is more wrong with Nigeria than there is right. However, I will try to keep this post positive and save those thoughts for another relevant thread.

I hear that Fashola is doing a good job and new roads are springing up in Lagos complete with road markings, traffic signs and traffic lights.

Below are some pics I found on another site.

The law currently states that every person born to a British citizen in Great Britain after 1982 is a British Citizen.

Before 1982, everybody born on British soil was British.

If the parent's were not British at the time of birth, after 1982, then she is not British.

Is the lady's Dad still in the UK? She may need to find out what his status is and if he is British, when he attained it.

well let them knock it down first and then see what they ll build seeing as you are not on the borough concill or wharevva,as for the silverbird galleria, its one of magnificient buildings in nigeria while bluewater is the best if not the top three in the whole of the uk

Correction. The Bluewater Shopping Mall is the 3rd largest shopping Mall in Europe and the 2nd largest in the UK after Gateshead. While it is indeed a magnificent building with over 330 top brand high street and designer stores, 40 Cafes and restaurants and a 13 screen cinema, it is still way down on the list in terms of top building structures in the UK below all of the historical buildings which includes 12,000 medieval churches such as St Paul's Cathedral and The Houses of Parliament etc. Bluewater also has 13,000 free parking spaces.

The Galleria is magnificent by Nigerian standards but it does not compare in my book. I took a load of kids there for a day out and to be honest, there wasn't much to do after wondering around a couple of times waiting for the movie to start in the 6- screen cinema which wasn't as great as you make out. When I was there in 2006, there was one fast food chicken place, a few clothes and electronic stores where everything looked second hand. A bar was still being constructed at the top floor and one large music store that didn't sell bootleg stuff, which was a welcome surprise because it is hard to get most genuine products in Nigeria without paying an arm and a leg for it. There was also a couple of cafes where the cakes were stale and a sort of internet cafe with about three laptops.

Now you be honest with yourself and tell me if that compares? I know you are still smoking that stuff. . .

I understand that there is another shopping Mall in Lekki called Palms Springs with about 69 stores and with only one or two name brands, but then again that also falls short when compared to even the rest of Africa never mind Europe although I do plan to go there when I visit next.

What I also didn't like was the fact these places were only opened to a certain class of people. With 70% of people below the poverty line in Nigeria and a 60% poverty in Lagos it felt so superficial to be in there. I felt that was a big shame and I will applaud any person in Nigeria who actually has a world-class business idea that will cater to those who may not rich enough to pay N750 for a bit of chicken!

Elephant and Castle's Shopping centre is scheduled for demolition in 2009 together with those ugly council flats which surround it. The whole area will be developed in time for the 2012 Olympics. The plans look promising.

There are also loads of development going on in Lagos. It seems that Fashola is doing a great job trying to catch up. But knowing what I know about Nigeria, I am aware that there are more people at the top who don't want progress due to their own selfish desires, who may be prepared to sabotage anything that will bring Nigeria into the 21st century and so I won't hold my breath.

The pictures I have seen of the new roads and buildings look very promising too. I just hope that Fashola is able to finish what he started before he has to leave office if at all because he has achieved a lot in a short space of time. Now we need more like or better than him because the Governors of other states are only looking out for themselves.

Back to some of the other stuff

Just because you feel you are treated like a second class citizen what makes you think all black people in the UK are. What is your understanding of a second class citizen anyway?

I think your main beef is is that you are used to been treated a certain way in Nigeria because of your Father's money and now that you are in the UK you are realizing that nobody really gives two hoots about things like that. You will be treated the same way as the man on benefit, whether you go into a bank, McDonald's or into Harrods (as long as you are dressed right)

That is the UK through and through. As someone said in another thread, the UK is a leveler, Even Tony Blair and Ken Livingstone, Major of London get on the tube and it is not because they cannot afford to buy the most expensive car in the world or pay the congestion charge. Even George Bush and his entourage had to pay the congestion charge when he came to visit the Queen.

you also said its not like nigeria,i see how delusional you are now firstly about nigeria and this country because in nigeria of the present time,people pay taxes,even in lagos where theres a lot of confusion and when you r talking about england maybe you should educate yourself and find out

The majority of Nigerians do not pay taxes. Stop deluding yourself. LOL!

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-2043.0.html

Read and learn.

I don't blame them anyway because if I lived in Nigeria I wouldn't hand over my hard earned cash when the only beneficiaries would be the tax collectors while there are no decent free schools for my children to attend etc.

In Eastenders, you either work in the Vic, The Cafe, the market or for the council, LOL! It is fiction anyway so don't take it too seriously. I would imagine that the reason for the short scope of jobs is because they want to keep all the characters in the Square. But anyway, don't read too much into it because if that show reflected reality the whole cast would be at least 75% Asians!

I am not about to argue with you about my English status so you can pull your hair out over that as much as you want. Don't worry too much sha, I know what I am, where I was born and I classify myself accordingly, regardless of anyone's views.

I would disagree about Black people sticking together in America. America is no stranger to the 'Uncle Tom' mentality. Read up on 'Uncle Tom' for clarification. Some blacks are even starting to refer to Obama as an 'Uncle Tom' and trying to sabotage his run for President. Even Jesse Jackson is obviously jealous of Obama. Notable 'Uncle Toms' in my book are: Stanley Crouch (hates Africans) and Whoopi Goldberg (also hates Africans)

Here are some African American views on Africans.
http://www.nigeriavillagesquare.com/articles/sabella-o-abidde/why-does-the-black-community-hate-niger-6.html

A Nigerians trying to secure a professional job or contract -- if such office is headed by an African-American -- will find it to be an uphill task. If no one else is listening to the interview, you may be queried, grilled, toyed with and asked unethical questions just to make you loose your composure. Generally speaking, a Nigerian stands a better chance for employment consideration or a level playing field if the man or woman at the top is a non-Black.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RD4j1s9rJpY

http://www.topix.com/forum/world/nigeria/T50G3MDDQ1C0L43JK

dnative:
I usually try as much as possible to avoid a confrontational approach which is why I sought clarification in the first instance. It would have suffice to have simply clarified what you meant in the first instance as well as especially when science is not your domain. But when your initial reaction was to further defend a flawed interpretation, my thinking was that the correction need to be made - and purely for informative purposes alone.

I did presumed I initially understood what you meant to convey - just wanted to clarify if this was otherwise. No need we further expand upon trivialities.

Dnative it would not have sufficed because up until you explained the concept of DNA, I was still under the impression that a fingerprint also constituted to a sample. Now if you knew what I meant initially then maybe you should have just clarified the differences instead of asking the question. Don't you think?

But yeah you're right, there is no need to discuss this further.

Cheerio!

dnative:
Let's not play on words here. The phrase 'DNA fingerprinting' is not the same as the fingerprinting used in the context of taking print samples made by our physical fingers.

DNA sample is a genetic attribute that is seperate from the fingerprints of an individual. This would explain why a DNA sample is taken seperately from a fingerprint - usually from a saliva swab or other body fluids.

The word DNA and fingerprinting are used together in a complementary and associative phrase 'DNA fingerprinting' because taking fingerprints have been the traditional way of uniquely identifying an individual until DNA proves to offer better non-repudation in this respect. Think of it, when a DNA sample is to be taken, fingerprint is rarely what is in mind, otherwise there would be no talk of a separate DNA database in the UK now when there is already a fingerprint database.

Back to the UK government and foreign visa applicants i believe what is being taken is fingerprints as in physical print samples rather than DNA samples. Period.

When I initially used the word DNA, I meant fingerprinting as I believed that it was a form of DNA. Science is not my forte and so if I used the wrong term describe what I was on about then so be it.

My main point was that there is a procedure in place to uniquely identify visitors to the UK and and so it is not so easy for people to travel on fake passports anymore.

dnative:
Can you clarify this. I am aware that fingerprint information is now taken from all applicants. but DNA?, i don't think this is the case.

DNA fingerprinting also known as DNA typing or genetic fingerprinting, is a method for identifying individuals by the particular structure of their DNA. It gained its name because the structure of the DNA of each person is different, and hence, just as each of us is unique with respect to the pattern of our fingerprints, so we can be identified from our DNA

English1:
DNA samples are not taken from visitors to the UK.

Yes they are, if we are talking about fingerprinting, which, I believe is a form of DNA.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/6936139.stm

lucabrasi:
im not angry,all i was doing is standing up for my country and for my people, for your information i do it anywhere i find myself either in a shop(which i have done several times)
i can say america is better than the united kingdom not by the buildings or the gdp but by their attitude, everybody that has been to america knows all the stuffs that are issues here are not in the united states and like i said earlier im not moving over there because i don't pay for my tution and my tution keeps people like you in school so gimme a little bit more respect cause i paid for your degree,don't tell me to shut up who tf dyu think you are
with all respects to whoever you have been hosting i never said being rude was ok,but i reacted to the issues you talked about which i outlined and told u why they were justified in saying that,my thinking was prolly because you have not spent a lot of time in nigeria ro being to only a few places first of you are not english you are british so leave all the sense of belonging bull crap,second i didnt step my foot at the embassy and even if i did almost 9000pounds a year without recourse to public funds gives me the right to voice my opinions which even if i said all these same thing to an mp in my borough,i wont be told this trash but be talked to with respect,thats the diffrence between an english man/woman and a wanabe english girl/woman acting like lapdogd to whites who don't give two about them, go check the number of councillors the bnp had last 2 years and this year and you think you r a part of the united kingdom.
i wont pick u an issue with people i don't know,but from what you said on here,being a nigerian, i know most nigerians that come to uk on holidays especially the older ones hate any sort of foreign food, i started eating a lot of stuffs after almost a year in the uk so thats not rude unless the called the chine slanty eye or some rude or derogatory remark, saying i don't like chinese food is in no way rude i might prefer amala or eba and u might prefer chinese
who told you immigration in america is better,all aspects of immigration in america is better than the uk, an illegal immigrant can still get married to an american citizen without worries,its not same here,they don't deport mothers that have given birth in america and their children like they do here,for people that give birth here the child has to be 0 years old to get a passport,in america its instant not to talk of the bill george bush was trying to push through about giving the large number of illegal immigrants a stay and work permit if they can pay their backlog of taxes and the only reason it is being opposed is just because of politics and will be approved if not now in the future
no wonder you keep on spewing bull crap on here,if u v not lived in or seen places as nice as bluewater then you should ask to be shown not using your mouth to say some crap about what you don't know, go to silverbird galleria and even the cinema is better and more standard than your average odeon,go to the clubs like bachus,go to macdonald road in ikoyi or belgore road in ikoyi go to lekki and then tell me if uk looks as nice
shame for what reason when my family are not part of the looters??i made that point as an aside to tell you this country and even america are running at a deficit and its monies like that thats keeping your precious economy afloat, you don't believe??go check the facts, goggle will help
if my brother stole and gave it to my friend, me thinks they are both criminals and thats what the law says both in nigeria,uk,usa and as for complaining about whats happening,a lot of people are and im proud to say so are my parents, which is the example they v shown me making me stand up for any nigerian anywhere i find myself, i wasnt ranting just telling you some home truths as you might not get anyone who ll tell you.
yes i have to compare white people because the truth cannot be dressed,why are you bothered you r not white and u can't ever be ,thats why they in their wisdom and because they wanted the distinction between british citizens called themselves ENGLISH MEN/WOMEN and also in the formsyou have to fill in for work or anything ,you have to indicate if you are AFRICAN BRITISH,WHITE BRITISH, i bet that gets you really mad don't it??don't even gimme the census and all that!
sit down in your corner of london and be feeling pleased with yourself that you and african americans are in some agreement about nigerians, go and check out how many of them are flocking to nigeria, abbot the former or whever mp spent some time in abuja and goes in unofficial capacity,carl masters,jimmy carter,former australian pm,present france pm and i mean unofficial capacity
who gives two about ophrah,so what if ophrah's saying stuffs about nigeria.did you see me talking about ophrah ?what dyu think im doing ,of course im bigging up nigeria and as for afro americans not wanting nigerians its really simple
its resentment, for instance in new york nigerians are the highest holders of prefessorship and phd and doctorate holders you can check the facts on google, they resent the fact that we come from nigeria with nothing ,read and become phd holders and get rich in spite of the fact that we r black people like them while they are drug dealers,pimps and thats just it so say something sensible please
like i said you are not familiar with nigeria,if not a plot of land in ketu is an equivalent of like between 20,000-30,000 pounds, thats a down payment for a semi detached in the suburbs so get your facts right
places dirtier than oshodi, i wont mention streets ill mention areas, slough is a shitty place dirty too with junkies n tha,moss side in manchester though regeneration is going on there after eons of years,burnley not onli stinky but mostly populated by junkies hanging around everywhere and there were areas that were shitty,dirty n smelly
well the poles are being given the same treatment nigerians are used to so it all remains to be seen how long they ll be here for,bearing in mind they don't have the resilience for insults and doggedness nigerians have in the face of advercity and any pole will tell u that the only reason they are here is only for the money as even poland is cleaner than a lot of places in the uk in spite of their economy, there you go again saying the uk economy will not suffer with the absence of foreigners,thank GOD the real owners of england(i,e the english)and their leaders know their existence is down to raping the world and their divide and rule politics,maybe they can do without zimbabwe,somalia,sudan and a lot of other insignificant african countries,but go find out they will never mess about with nigeria, thats why an hausa man that cnnot speak correct english can have audience with the queen while you with your british passport can't honestly dream of that , another startling fact you don't know, find out who is called alhaji alhaji, he is a traditional prime minister of some sort in the north now and nothing is being heard about him but he grew up and lived in one of the queens palaces, not sure if its balmoral or buckingham or whaever, im sure you're almost having a fir right now but go find out, don't forget the name alhaji alhaji
im sure you v not been to nigeria in a long time because in spite of how hard things are,we are moving foward if slowly but at least doing the right things, trust me the english are quaking in their boots
i don't want to go into the bank thing ,all you need to do is ask a banker you know and they ll tell you from a business perspective,international students are given more credit than home students

The above is just mindless dribble which I really won't waste time trying to understand or comprehend. Word of advise, please use paragraphs to help increase the readability factor of whatever you write.

That being said I can only be bothered to respond to the few points I managed to pick out.

I left school long ago Deary and so I am sure your paltry 9000gbp a year probably went towards someone's well earned salary and not to educate people like me. I would also like to add that there are people who pay more than that amount a term and yet they aren't yapping all over the web about it.

Do you think the UK is like Nigeria where the majority of people don't pay taxes? lol The sheer nerve of you to even think that the likes of you are funding Britain and its citizens is laughable at best!

Oh yes and I am English as well as British . .It is not debatable because the last time I checked English was not a race but a reference to someone born in England, just like Irish, Scottish and Welsh. Who cares what the white man says anyways I am not so insecure, that I will wait for others to define me first before I decide who I am. For the record I can also be Nigerian whenever I want to be too. . . That is one of the benefits of being born to Nigerian parents. While it is commendable that you are patriotic don't expect all other Nigerians to feel the same way about the country.

You also mentioned the BNP in your reply. Why? What is your point ? The KKK in America make the BNP in Britain look like the Multicultural and racial tolerance society of Great Britain! LOL! Go to Stormfront.org, a white American site set up by the KKK if you need any more proof. By the way don't get upset when you see black people being referred to as monkeys and apes on there.

Anyway you sound like a mere child having a tantrum, forced to study in England by your father against your will and so I will leave you to deal with those issues for now.

Oh and Silverbird Galleria does not compare to Bluewater or even Elephant which they are getting ready to knock down for that matter. Please put down the pipe!

ta ta!

lucabrasi:
lets get some few basic facts straight here,first i don't give two about this country and england is not hosting me, i don't want to come across as being boastful but im sure you have an idea what a foreign student pays in a university so if anyone is making gains the british people and government are selling and im a paid up client thats why u see even though they don't like us ,they can't help but lick our asses,and as per some people bitching about anywhere trust me united states and their attitude to foreigners is miles better than england
when nigerians say bluewater or other places are not as nice as places in nigeria,they are very right,i don't know the places you v visited in nigeria but there are places that are miles better than them places, mayb you v not been to golden gate and the rest of the eatries which are miles better than the chinese restaurant in london,and i don't see anything wrong in nigerians complaining about foreign food if they don't like it,how many chinese or japanese dyu see in 805 or mama calabar or other nigerian restaurant,or how many english men dyu see there apart from the junkies and homeless white people that come in there to beg for money because white people like them will not give them a second look not to talk of giving them money.
you r on about cyprus,kuwait and what not,dyu know how many nigerians are in these places?mayb you v not been there before, let me tell you how dynamic my people are,there s a redeemed christian church in alaska and a population of nigerians, english people go abroad,africa including nigeria and more and more of them are coming to nigeria for greener pastures,where dyu think the home office figures came about that more and more english people(not british)are migrating abroad?
now let me give u a few economics,go and find out how much of nigerias stolen money is lodged in british banks,and how much of our foreign reserves is keeping your precious country running and go find out how your agricultural rebate was designed to squeeze out africa from a level playing groundand you want me to man up and tell my dad?well i have several times but he has some priorities about him studying here and wanted me to,and as for me leaving trust me at least for each international student that leaves one or two british student will suffer for it and i suggest you visit a bank in september and see how they kiss our asses once they discover we r international student and i promise u i will be given more respect in your banks than you will with your british passport,stiff upper lip where??
i have been opportuned to be in the united states and i can say the white people there are miles better at everything than in uk,and the black people there,afro-americans have a better attitude than in the uk, this is the first place i have seen where jamaicans think they are better than africans and racially abuse them,where a second generation african think they are better than a newly arrived african and talk down on them because of a wine coloured passport and brit accent, y'all should shape up and sort yourselves out and while you r doing that maybe you ll tell the english briefcase contractors in nigeria to leave our country as well because are raping our economy as well and this country should stop accepting foreign students and lets see how good the economy will bethank GOD bit by bit we r releasing ourselves from their shakles and efcc is working,wait till we have good leaders who don't siphon money into countries like this and we ll see how strong the economy realli is
personally my crib in lagos ikeja is better than all the houses in my street here,bigger and in every way possible so maybe you v been to the worng places in nigeria, between only a few places are not dirty in england some are dirtier than oshodi

@lucabrasi


You sound like a very angry person.

You totally missed the point of my post too. Neither you or I can say that one place is better than the other and expect that view to be taken as the gospel because such views are subjective. We can only state our views on the matter and leave it at that. I have been all over the states and I love it but I am not about to throw the baby out with the bathwater debating which country is better. One shouldn't have to do that. Just simply move over there or shut the hell up!

If you really do not see nothing wrong with people been rude and demeaning in the presence of their hosts then what more can I say? You also keep going on about Britain not hosting you then fine, again why are you here? Stop bytching and be a man, take control of the situation and go elsewhere. Nobody is begging you to be in the country, after all I am sure you were not forcibly dragged to the embassy to apply for a visa. You are sure as hell not the only person who can afford to be an international student. Britain attracts students from all over the world and not just Nigerians.

Also if you think it is ok to slate of the menu in front of the waiter in a restaurant that someone has been kind enough to take you to, then that of course speaks volumes about your character. And if this is typical of Nigerians then there it is no wonder the country current pitiful state it is in now. This is not about Japanese or Chinese people going to Nigerian restaurants so grow up!

The American attitude towards immigrants is more or even worse than Britain and so for you to deem it 'better' then you are seriously uninformed. The fact that immigration is a major factor in the upcoming election is evidence of that alone.

Admittedly, I have not been all around Nigeria but I have been to and lived in some key places so you need to sell that BS to someone else who will buy it. The last time I checked there was not a Shopping Mall on the same scale as the one in Bluewater in Nigeria neither were there any engineering landmarks like the London eye. Furthermore the Lagos skyline can not be compared to London's. You need to stop fooling yourself right there. For someone to come from Ketu, as the people I hosted did, and not appreciate or have the common decency to appear grateful for what I, their host was doing for them then basically I have no time and will have no time in future.

Speaking for myself, I don't look down on anyone but I won't take abuse or stand listening to BS when it stinks like hell either.

I also don't get your point about stolen money in British Banks. Why bring that up when we both know good and well that the money was stolen and banked there by Nigerians! You no de shame sef? You are like a child crying that their father stole money and stored it in another country and still wanting people to show respect to thieving father.
That was a really useless point to bring up.

Go back to Nigeria and complain to your people in government about that instead of coming on here to rant. If your brother stole money from you and gave it to his friend, who would you hold responsible for the theft? Methinks you need to read up a bit more about Nigerian economics yourself before you start offering lessons. Nonsense!

See you comparing white people. . .LOL Do you know how ridiculous that sounds? Yes, one group will stab you in the back while the other will kick you right there in the face and not feel two ways about it. You should be asking who is worst and not trying to gain cookie points by foolishly debating who is better.

Go and ask the African Americans if they want any more Nigerians in their country. Oprah has already slated Nigeria plus some prominent African Americans have already gone on record about their dislike of Africans. Any African American board equivalent to this one you will surely have a 1000+plus thread dedicated to the abuse of Nigerians alone and here you are bigging them up like they get an ish about you. Better stick to bigging up Nigeria instead?

Please do the honours and post pictures of places in the UK that are dirtier than Oshodi otherwise zip it because your hyperbole is fooling no one. I would say that Nigeria is less than 20% developed so there is really no comparison Have you been in all the houses in your street? What exactly do you have in your 'crib' in Lagos that you don't think even the common man on benefit can not afford to have in the UK?

The Nigerians in the UK using Mama Charlie as the reason to remain in the country should go and join their fellow Nigerians in Kuwait or Cyprus instead of staying here and bytching their way into oblivion. Whether I have been to those countries or not is irrelevant. The UK economy will surely not suffer because of lack of Nigerians, there are now an ample amount of Poles and other Europeans to do the dirty work. On the other hand if all the foreigners were to leave Nigeria then the country will only get steadily worst because of incompetency of people at the top.

Oh yes about your bank visits. You are probably used to [b]Nigerian customer service [/b]because usually over here in the UK, people more or less get treated with courtesy and politeness whether they have 1p or 1million in the bank. It is not called 'licking a$$' it is common decency and respect regardless of who you are.

salsera:
@elosela

truly u know nothing

you can leave the UK without your passport, u just declare that the passport is missing and they give u these documents to travel with
it is feasible and it has been for a long time

your passport can later be stamped by immigration

Its because of this reason that BDC does not trust passport stamps as evidence of arrival rather they ask for boarding passes

You don't know anything.


As I said before in my previous post in, case you missed it;

If they can leave with just traveling documents then will these documents say that they gained entry into the UK legally?

Won't they still need to use the same passport that they sent ahead, again to travel?

Furthermore, we are in the technology age in case you missed it. All passport information of all visitors to the UK is stored electronically. I am sure that this same information will be used somewhat to produce documents to leave the the country or they should contain information that matches a passport already in the system.

So claims that one has lost their passport really will not get them off paying the NHS bill. Unless you leave the country under a false name.

Why go through all that wahala anyway? If you don't have money to pay then just stay at home in Nigeria and give birth there since the hospitals are up to par.

@lucabrasi

You are correct! I have a natural affinity for England, that plus the fact that I think it very rude, not to mention uncouth for someone to bytch and whinge about a country that is hosting them. . . especially in the presence of their hosts and then then have some of kind of warped idea that they can do so without causing offence!

I have come to the conclusion that some Nigerians will most times bytch and moan about everything whether they be in Nigeria, the UK , the US or even Heaven!

It is like an innate mechanism that they can't seem to control and it is a very unflattering quality to have.

I have hosted several family members from Nigeria and that is what they liked to do most even though people were obviously going out of their way to make them feel welcome.

Took them on the London eye. . . they bytch: "In Nigeria we have better buildings than this. . . " What is there to see there, people are just wasting money". . . ok


Take them to Bluewater . . . "I hate that place!" . . .ok


A visit to Wagamama,(Japanese restuarant). . ."I hate Chinese!" Right in front of the waiter serving us! lol. . . (To them Japanese, Chinese and Thai etc were all the same food!)

The list goes on. . .

Then they will come out and say things like "This London is not too great!" Fair enough, if you don't like it, I love it! Please feel free to leave.

But if you ask them when they are going back "I will soon go!" That is when they start dragging feet and stalling. Then you have to ask if the place is not too great then why don't you find your way back to Lagos so you can bytch from there in peace?

It was getting to a point where I couldn't handle any more abuse from them about the city I was born and grew up in.

How would you like it if I went to your town or city in Nigeria and constantly bytched about everything I could possibly find to bytch about?

The thing is with some Nigerians is that they just do not get it. Not only is it extremely rude to behave in that manner but why burn bridges because you are unhappy with 10% when you know good and well that what you are getting is 100 times better than what you get in your own land?

I have been to Lagos and other parts of Nigeria countless of times and so I know exactly what the score is. From when the Government in charge of the country has to rely on generators for power in 2008 then what chance does the rest of the nation have?

A stiff upper lip, is a common trait of the white Brit and so they will still probably help you out after taking that kind of abuse but don't expect that kind of courtesy from a Black British person. . . especially from one that is of Nigerian descent because they can usually smell BS before they see it.

If you really do hate England with a passion and are unhappy being here then all you have to do is man up and tell your father that you wish to study elsewhere. It is quite lame and weak to constantly moan about the place and at the same time claim are in this situation because of somebody else's choice.

Your theory about them being here for pounds is also quite weak because they could always go to Kuwait, Cyprus or Malta which all have currencies valued higher than the sterling. The last time I checked there was loads of work in Kuwait too, plus it is closer to the Nigeria than the UK and so the next time you hear anyone 'whineing' tell them to try there.

That being said, I have had the pleasure of hosting some really wonderful people from Nigeria as well as associating with ones that have come to settle here and I would not hesitate to do so again. Sadly, in my experience, such people are few and far between.

morenike09:
guess you can't tell the difference between pidgin and American. . . not your fault, you've been breathing in too much UK air. . .

If that were pidgin I would have understood it clearly as I am an original Sapele/Warri Babe.

You need to find your way there if you confusing that gibberish with Pidgin. That ish was pure American! LOL!

adamvic:
yoh.farm, us 4 lyf,
ukdey wast men, ive lived in both country so like us iz d best man, i love ma hood and ma homies and jamin with them gang bred in uk, i wan dok bk 2 us asap, uk are bare stinjy like dey don wan spend money, bt brov i bet u go us, money ent nufin 2 them der, u jus gota apend as u c them, so like, us, wins ppz,

I thought Seun had particularly specified that only intelligible English and not American be used on this forum.