₦airaland Forum

tpiah:
from article


what do these countries have in common? High population?

May be you should read the article again! I hate to keep pointing the obvious, but not only do we have high population, but we have inadequate infrastructure to cater for BASIC HEALTH CARE as stated in the article. It do not take a genius to figure out the correlation between both.

I work in the health sector, and believe me on this one, we as a nation are way behind.

tpiah:
why is Nigeria one of the worst places to be a mother? The women are too confrontational due to what exactly? Polygamy and second class status?

Do you know what services are provided to Mothers and expectant mothers? How many Ante-natal clinics are fully equipped in Nigeria? Or how many Post-natal experts do we have?  Again see above, we do not have the right facilities to provide these things, hence why on comparison to all other nations of the world, Nigeria is one of the worst places. Immunization is still at its infancy, Infancy death is still high, Malnourishment is still ever present etc. it is a fair point to say Nigeria is one of the worst places to be a mum.

tpiah:
to many of our "educated" Nigerians, reading and understanding are uneccessary if the material doesnt say what they want to hear.

Travelling hasnt seemed to upgrade our thinking faculty. If any thing, more like the other way round, I'm sorry to say.

Please provide a proof of this instead of taking cheap shots. There isn't anything that wasn't understood from the post. He made a mistake and everyone makes mistakes so what is the problem?

I think folks like you result to taking cheap shot out of your own bitterness.  

tombola:
Tpiah - why not be sorry for yourself miserable self first?

Again you by passed all the proper questions and resulted to bickering. Jeez. You are good.

georgecso:
@ tombola

Bros cool down now and lets focus on the topic. We should refrain from insult pls.

No need to tell him that! Isn't it obvious that people around here would result to bickering et a,l once they lose a debate or are grasping for points.

georgecso

I have no problem with you. It is Tombola that seems to have one.

In fairness, I don't think your first link was from WHO as stated in your title. But who do not make mistake?

Sorry omo ibo, I cant be of much help. It appears you have got your mind made up though.

MrCrackles:
Drug peddlers no dey hear word!

Serves them all right

Perhaps if there is a slight increase in amount people live on in a day, an increase in GDP and other things, perhaps we shall see a drop in number of people seeing the need to get rich this way. Let's not forget that these things are happening as a result of various combination. One of them is poverty.

tombola:
@Poster

What is your problem distorting stories? A story carried May 22, 2008, you are saying it is a story of April 24 2009?

What is the matter with you? Where in the report is it stated that it is a WHO report?

Not only are Nigerians illetrates, they are fools as well - well, I am not surprised, even the so called travelled fols, they seem to be the worse off for it, look at the comments that followed the wrong report - do they even read? if they read, do they understand?

He did not distort the story like you are claiming. Yes he made and error of adding "WHO" to the title, but to call it a distortion is an overstatement. Yes the report may have been published in 2008, are you however telling me those points are STILL not valid, or Nigeria have made leaps and bounds since then in those areas concerned?

As for your second paragraph, you are quite funny in an unfunny way if you know what I mean. You come across as bitter with your unnecessary attacks here. The thing is your own post is riddled with errors too, which I already highlighted and it just makes your second paragraph here all ironic to be honest.

I keep asking you, what is wrong with criticizing your beloved nation? It appears that few of your types get overworked about this.

For the record, an illiterate is someone who cannot read or write, so by the very definition of it no one is an illiterate around here. And try and get the spelling right, before you use it next time.

chiogo:
In every rap album, there's almost always a bubble-gum aka commercial song on it, that's usually the ones played by DJs on the radio or have videos. Most rappers are capable of being 'intelligent', they don't show those on tv but when you get the album, that's when you get to listen to those. I just don't like when specific rappers are categorized as 'intelligent' rappers. That's BS. Sometimes, even I get bored of that. A good artiste is versatile. And if you keep doing only your 'intelligent rap', it's your loss.

It all depends on your classification of commercial song. Canibus hardly produces songs aimed at the radio or airplay.[bar the one time he had a stab at it with HIPHOP FORSALE]

I disagree that most rappers are capable of being intelligent. Most rapper will only do what they are good at. A good example is Soulja boy. I really do not see how he can come out with something as deep like those of Common or something Jada would spit.

While you may disagree about "Intelligent rappers" they actually do exist. All you have to do is check out their discography and see for yourself. You need to take into consideration that some people do it for the love and not exactly in it for the extra cheese like most are these days. So if such artist keep making intelligent rap, it is not a loss to them as they are doing what they enjoy.

sleek_p:
So who put this family together? Must be the democrat's who put them together in the hope of winning 2008 election. Genius!!!

You are missing the point. The Obama family is an "image" with a PR behind it. Is it not a bit odd to you how they appear "perfect" and "doing the right thing" all the time?

It is well known that "playing a family" is one way to win the hearts of the people. This have nothing to do with what you are suggesting.

georgecso:
Nigeria has the fourth worst medical system in the world.
24 Apr 2009 Daily trust

Opinion

We are very near to getting a gold medal. Sleeping Giant of Africa


http://www.sunnewsonline.com/webpages/opinion/editorial/2008/may/22/editorial-22-05-2008-001.htm

It is all lies and you cannot criticise us or state the obvious. [I'm using the logic of people around here!]

Nigeria have bizarrely handed a call-up to Hamburg midfielder Dennis Aogo for World Cup qualifiers even though he is not eligible to play for the country.

The former German youth international is among a Super Eagles 29-man squad for June's World Cup qualifiers.

Aogo, whose father is from Ilesha in south-west Nigeria, had apparently been keen on playing for the Super Eagles.

But the Germany-born player cannot switch allegiance to Nigeria as he is now 22 years old.

Fifa allows players who have represented one country at junior level to switch to another country.

But the statutes of world football's governing body state that this can only happen if they are still under the age of 21.

This is the second time Nigeria have called up an ineligible player for a World Cup qualifier in recent times.

West Ham United striker Carlton Cole was named in the squad for the games against South Africa in September and Sierra Leone in October.

But the England international, who was then 24 failed to turn up for the game because as expected he could not get the clearance from Fifa.

Meanwhile, Fulham midfielder Dickson Etuhu returns to the squad for the time since last year's African Cup of Nations in Ghana.

Also making returns are Germany-based striker Chinned Obasi, midfielder Yusuf Ayila of Dinamo Kiev and Rennes defender Elderson Echiejile.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/africa/8017173.stm


What chances do we have of winning, when who ever selects the squad makes this sort of error in this day and age? How hard is it to know who is eligible and who isn't? While this may be a small issue, it just goes to highlight the incompetency that have riddled every aspect of what we do. God help us.

Well some have. However those who retire before 1997 dont have the right to reside in the UK, even though the serves the UK armed forces. It is a scam and a sham to be honest.

tombola:
No - the article is saying, all those diasporic egg heads who have nothing doing abroad should go back home to Nigeria and do something worthwhile for themselves instead of ruining the reputation and credibility of Nigeria.

Tell that to those Thames mead guys and Graves end crews who make a living from fraudulent activities.

ode remo:
you can easily do this because once you overslave your workers under pay them and cream the profit, what laws stop you paying cheaplabour in Nigeria? its only your fair of GOD  and probably your conscience if ever you have one. all of us must be ready to effect a change in Nigeria without any talk talk. even govt doesn't obey its own labor laws. on wages , healthcare , insurance etc.
i once lived in a community of so called upper class in Abuja, a mai guard was employed on barely 10k monthly , this guy was killing himself on this job to the point of opening the gate for this idiots at 2.30 am without any sleep. this i challenged vehemently low and behold  your so called OGAs called me all sort of names including the fact that i have stayed too long in oyinbo contry hence my attitude. you see once you challenge the status quo the beneficiary will put up arms. so we must be ready for this fight or we shut up for ever.

The same attitude is so ever common around here. People cannot take criticism on board without resulting "how long one have been away" etc. Sucks big time.

yeswecan:
@ElRazur maybe you had a problem reading my text. I didn't lay any blame on them, i said they are the cause of our ethnic problems and that is fact. It is not debatable; the British are the cause of our ethnic problem.
I can expand on that if you want me to.

Okay fair point on one aspect. Having said that, is it still relevant to bring them into all of these after OVER 40 years? Surely we've had more than enough time to sort it out?

mikeansy:
Well if u dont understand what it means to be a Research Fellow in Oxford after being a policeman in Nigeria then its not rocket science why we are so backward.

LMAO


For those of you asking the guy to come home, Erm this is a nation where the Killer of Dele Giwa still walks free etc, You really think he will get a fair trial? I will personally shot him if he makes any attempt to come over to naija. He should stay put.

@labiyemmy:
Why will someone ask us if we read the article? Someone must think everyone on NairaLand is a fool.

ElRazur - what you just described as your field sounds to me like a lab scientist kind of job which is many here in Nigeria.

There are many types of scientist and what I do hasn't taken off in Nigeria to that extent I am after.

How many time do doctors routinely send off blood for analysis? How many times do we have a "group and save" done on a blood prior to operation? How many times are amniocenteses are carried out on pregnant ladies? Do we check for things like "Fragile X syndrome"? Are there patients on Warfrins treatment in Nigeria [something that is standardized across Europe now]. What about Freud's test?

I think you will find that answer to these questions will be over-whelming NOs. What we have instead are elementary microbiology checking for routine stuff like Typhoid, HIV, etc. These are routine stuff and do not really need specialised machinery like I described before.

The role is being hampered in my opinion by the doctors of Nigeria playing "jack of all trades" they seem to know what is wrong with a patient, without even testing them in a lab. A practices that will get people struck off the register here. All illness are either Malaria, Typhoid or some other common ailments. [A very wrong approach as anyone who know what am talking about will tell you]

Kobojunkie:
@Sapeleguy, the same article also suggests a cautious approach in that area. I agree with the piece; people need to ensure that they are ready for what this likely entails, before jumping out there to "supposedly" change things.

Oh no, you are just supposed to jump in and be a "trend setter". [where is the roll eyes smiley/emoticon when you need one?]

ode remo:
and what field is that.

Biomedical Sciences. With emphasis on Haematology and other areas.

@labiyemmy:
People like us moved back, not waiting for the development of our field, but actually pioneering the development and earning money in the process - why do i have to wait for the development, why cant i spearhead that development? It is a case of what you can do for your country and not what your country can do for you, if everyone waits till their field is developed, then, who will develop the country or how will the country develop then?

The problem here is the lack of recognition of what I do. The doctor back home seem to have blurred this line. If you go to a doctor here in the UK, he's got no idea what is wrong in most case. Especially if samples are collected. It is my work as  a BMS [Biomedical scientist] to analyse these samples and give my findings - which then aids the doctor in their diagnosis.

My work place recently fitted analysers that cost £50,000. These machines can analyse thousands of different samples etc. Ranging from your hba1c, down to those on warfrins.  A simple microfuge [a very small centrifuge machine needed for separation techniques] cost £10,000 and that is even second hand price. Then let us not forget the supplies that requires cool environment for storage etc. Some of these cost £400 each for a single test etc.

You can see that I will be fighting an uphill battle here. I will need close to hundred of millions to have it the same standards I have been trained in. Remember, I cannot be cutting corners here as people's life depend on it.


While it is easier to set trends in certain fields, it is somewhat difficult to do so with Biomedical sciences in my view, unless you have the money and need constant training. I have the training, but not the kind of money needed.

blacksta:
point of correction : Africa is best place for a skilled person who has witnessed or being part of a team or solely implemented solutions that have been tried and tested in the western world. That person is bound to make lots of money. Many of my friends that have moved back to Nigeria are doing exceptionally very well.

Agreed, however people like me are not contemplating a moving back yet, due to lack of of development in my field back home.

^ lol I would rather have a few knife killings happening over in the UK, than have a gun rampage every now and then.

Can we establish if he reads this forums? I am sure he is a grown man who can make his own decisions .

Tiscali aint rated as a good ISP am afraid. However, it do not mean you shouldn't be able to play online.

My main concern is your modem/router set-up and how your connection to the ps3 is established.  Tiscali do have a forum I believe, you can always do a search on there too.

Go into you settings in pro evo and use AUTO. [I am not at where my ps3 is at the moment so I can only tell you things from the top of my head]

I highly recommend you check Tiscali forums.


PS.

A quick google shows there is a known problem with tiscali putting a cap on ps3 users.

http://www.ispreview.co.uk/news/EEZZpVllkFVUXYNdAg.html

Check here

http://www.google.co.uk/search?hl=en&client=firefox-a&rls=org.mozilla%3Aen-GB%3Aofficial&hs=5qk&q=ps3+tiscali+problem&btnG=Search&meta=


I suggest you call Tiscali and have a word.

Who is your ISP? and how is your connection set up?

Clearly you aren't doing something right. Or better still get a proper internet connection. What speeds are you getting from your ISP?

yeswecan:
After all the British are the causes of our ethnic problems.

How many years ago? It would be greatly unfair to lay the entire blame on them, unless off course you are being sarcastic.

The Gurkhas have served the British well for over two hundred years. They have supported the forces, fought loyally and without question. Yet the ruling today means these folks will not be allowed to settle in the UK. Surely, we own them a great debt and the least we can do is to allow them to settle here with their family?

It just goes to show how out of touch the government is sometimes. I am surely not voting for them any more. The only upside to this story is that campaigners are not stepping down their campaign for justice.

Gurkhas who risked their lives for Britain suffered a major blow today in their attempts to win the right to settle here.

The Home Office announced that after a High Court ruling 10,000 more former soldiers and family members would be eligible to live permanently in Britain, but campaigners say that in reality the new rules may help fewer than 100 men.

David Enright, a solicitor acting on behalf of the Gurkhas, said: “They have set criteria that are unattainable. They require a Gurkha to serve for 20 years – but a rifleman is only permitted to serve for 15 years.

“It’s a sham and an absolute disgrace. It’s far more restrictive than the old policy.”

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/politics/article6160649.ece

IFELEKE:
Suicide?
I don't know why some people will take to killing themselves as the solution to their problems, Pathetic.
May Their Souls Find Rest.

Suicide is seen as a honour in some eastern culture.

Oh dear god.

ThiefOfHearts:
My friend you are confused, my comments are opposite to that of Sauron's.

Not in my view. I believe you guys are speaking different languages, but in some ways saying the same thing.

I think both TheifofHearts and Sauron are both correct.

There isnt a system in place that holds you back in the UK

There appears to be one in the US, however I am not saying this is a Fact. But a well known issue.

On the other hand, people have DREAMS come true in the US regardless of colour and have gone to greater heights. We just do not hear a lot about it.

Richy your statement is flawed and not always true. Education is not about going to school and having certificates to show for it. Education takes different forms.

You need to realise that the Obama family is not a "true family" but something put together so that it suits the expectation of the wider audience. On contrast "The simpsons" represent a "truer family" than the Obamas.

Kobojunkie:
Never mind that there are problems and you agree that all those problems exists to date, all you are concerned about is your issue with people who have travelled and their personal choices not lining up with yours? Is this all what this is about for you? Why not put sentimental, issues you may have, to the side and focus on the MAIN issue here which is the state of the lives of millions, not 2 or 3, but millions of your fellow Nigerians?

Clearly some people lack the ability to debate well and usually result to ad homen tactics when they are grasping for points. I really do not see what his post got to do with the debate at hand.

Here is a good quote for the moment. It is true and bang on target.

"When you blame others, you give up your power to change."  - Dr. Robert Anthony