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@OP

There is a topic on this already, perhaps try doing a search next time. It was right there in front of you, you know.

Lagosboy:
@El razur

#why not speak to your friend devaidylan about throwing insults all about. If you go to read this thread from the begining you would see he is the Chief originator oof insults to this thread and i called his attention to that. I see you feel personal about it when Richy called u a name u dont like,it will be wise to advise your friend in arguements to restrain from insults for us to take you serious on this.

Insults should have no place in debates and i beleive we should all act matured. From today till eternity i shall not support the state of israel until it vates the occupied terrirtories and so will most of u guys ever support Israel so whats the fuss about insults. Lets table our points across and it is a fact we are all guilty of bias towards either Israel or the neighbours of israel so again whats the fuss.

See you seem to have got it wrong from the very beginning with your post.  Davidylan is not my friend, I do not know the guy. Just because we have similar views on certain issues do not make him my friend.

If you feel he's called you names and insulted you, please do call him up on it and bring his attention to it. I have nothing to do with that, and I really do not see the need for you to ask me to "advise him". My issues is with Richy and I will like to keep it that way, instead of bickering about something else.

Richyblack is a poor debater and his understanding of words is not so great. Something he has demonstrated time and time. Imagine if I say "All Muslims are terrorist" will that not be an ignorant thing to say? Off course it is, as I know many Muslims are peace loving. Now if someone calls me as being ignorant as a result, then I deserve every ounce of it.

RichyBlack thinks being called ignorant is an insult! I even showed him the definition of ignorant, yet he feels the need to make a threat to me. Well, I am not your average, nor am I your typical forumite. I just will not back down because I haven't done a single thing wrong. He weaves in and out of a debate, ignores questions posed at him, engages in ad homen tactics, and when he is called a poor debater, he gets mad. Jeez! may be he should learn to be more tactical and stop those things that portrays him as being weak.

Me and you have disagreed on a few things and none of us is yet to trade insult. That is how mature minded people do it. Period.

Lagosboy:
Iran is an independent state and any act of aggression against it by Israel should be met with an ovhelming retaliation to teach those zionist pre emptive strike is gone with the killer George Bush. Obama is wiser and will not authorise pre emptive strike by Israel unless the US wants to fight on 3 front s now ;Iraq, Afghanistan and then Iran.

Hell no!!!

I hate for things to come to war. Why is it okay for a country with abundant oil reserves to seek nuclear technology advancement? A bit odd, dont you think? This is the same nation that threatens Israel at every opportunity.  A country that the government wants to push Israel into the sea or wipe them off the map. A country that is as vile and have no respect for human rights [look up on how homosexuals are hanged etc, and how Christians are persecuted in Iran], And you want Israel to feel comfortable with this? I am not an Israeli, and the thought of a Rogue state like Iran with a nuclear weapon scare the hell out of me. After all, I am a non-muslims/christains so in their eyes, it is okay to kill a Kaffir like me isnt?

Iran may be an independent state, but it fits more with the definition of a rogue state. [See my previous post on the definition/explanation of a rogue state]

Like I said before, Israel appears to mean business this time, they are carrying out their largest military exercise ever sometimes end of the month. They have gone as far to say it would be a drill on long range attack etc. If history is correct, Israel hardly sabre-rattle.
Israel really do not need obama's permission to carry out such a feat. US and her allies will be forced to act and most likely protect/support Israel if push comes to shove.

Militarily, Israel may be small, but they are considered one of the best in the world and they have shown time and time again they can surprise the biggest of enemy. I suggest you look up on 7days war, recent attack on a site in syria, recent attack on a convoy in Sudan etc.
Also, their military tactics is advanced and pretty much every organisation e.g CIA et al borrow a few leafs from their books. Please look up "Krav maga". Do you know that Israel have guns that can shot round corners? No joke. I have seen the documentary.

The point I am making is that Israel packs a deadlier punch than Iran militarily period.

He cleary is power tripping. He sent me one last night after he posted some ignorant views and I called him on it.

Just done copy and paste or "link and run". Please learn to say something or offer at least a paragraph of opinion. So you posted this, what then? What now?

You know one can go and on, but what does it achieve?  Nothing.

Dude I have over 5k of music and it is yet to fail me is the point am making. Are you comparing storage to functionality and other things You are good.

My choice you see, and I picked a Sony's Walkman over Apple's Ipod.  Again you missed what is highly subjective and instead went ahead enforcing your views as the end of all knowledge. How intelligent are you again? Ask any audiophiles, Sony walkman is rated as one of the best. Period.


Who are these future leaders you refer to? You once again seem to think you know me? Dude, You are awesome.


It is a common human weakness you are showing, you have called me names when it was uncalled for, then result to the classic b.u.l.ls.h.i.t of how I forced you. Or you mean you cannot hold a debate in a civil manner. You know intelligence is measured in several ways. One of them is being civil and you severely lack this. 

I have picked to ignore your rants and more or less focus on the debate, but somehow, some way, you have to speak of this superior intelligence of yours that you haven't even remotely demonstrate.

Dude get a grip, this is a forum and while not everyone will agree with you, it is important to present your case logically with simple common sense. Also name calling is just soooo 1980 and a reflection of how weak you really are. I think this is it for me. 

~Sauron~:
Get paid in advance means ZILCH if the overheads outweigh the income.
Are you a Philistine?? What do you know about music artistes and the amount they spend putting shows together??
DJs, back-up dancers and logistics are all gonna get paid. Where do u think their wages come from? Oxfam??

No artist will put out a show at a loss. You seem to have missed that. It is getting tiresome having to explain simple and basics points to you every now and then. So you really think Tuface and co are living off the sales of CD?, Haahaha. You really are awesome.

~Sauron~:
That is because you are not used to the device called iPod.
Go and ask your mates carrying one to explain how easy it is for you to lose all the music files you have treasured.
Like i have said, i am used to debating with learned peops not troglodytes.

Woah. You have an ipod, how awesome. Oh wait, I have something better it is called a Sony walkman. It hasnt failed me once, even though I have over 5k of music tracks on it. But hey that is again irrelevant for now.

You know, calling people names simply because they disagree with you shows that you are more or less grasping for point and it makes you look lame. It also shows you level of intelligence.

~Sauron~:
Ruggedman is the only Naija artiste on itunes, innit??
Your ignorance covers the earth like a blanket and there's hardly a hole in it anywhere.

And you are supposed to be the uber intelligent guy? I would have thought you would spot [b]sarcasm [/b]when you see one.

~Sauron~:
Irrelevance or not. . . . .U are narrow-minded and yes these artistes all lie about their album sales.
Their fabulous lives are being funded by the several trust funds in your village.

Again I do not see what that have to do with the price of tea in china. You keep labelling me and it is sucking the life out of this debate you know. Hopefully, this is my last reply on this one. I stand by my points - The figures are not convincing or accurate. You do not have to agree with me, but calling names and showing frustration do not in anyway show your intellectuals as you would like to think. Have a nice day.

RichyBlacK:
Let me tell you something, I'm only telling you to stop resorting to ad hominems because I don't want this thread to spiral into nothingness. Why can't you take my advice and desist from ad hominems?

Who are you to tell me what to do after you have called me a swine? Who are you to tell me what to do after you have swore at me? I haven't attacked you. I have merely showed you up as someone who is too weak to debate without making threats and resulting to childish affairs. Did you not call me ElRufai and ElRasaki, when my name aint even that?

If you do not want me to say your opinion are riddled with ignorance, perhaps you should present it in a manner that suggest that you are not ignorant.

Richayblack, I lost all respect for you, because you are the one doing all the ad homen. This is a classic case of a log in your eye and you are trying to remove a non-existent speck in mine.

RichyBlacK:
So why do you rely on ad hominems? Can't you debate without calling someone "ignorant"?

If you don't to be called as one. Perhaps you should demonstrate this in your post? Ignorance is defined as the state of not knowing. Your post have showed you do not know some stuff and you refuse to take this on board. How is this ad homen in anyway? I have present my case based on logic, common sense and fact, but you just think what ever you says goes.

If you ban me, what does it give you? It shows that you are more or less a weak person to everyone reading. What makes you think I wont come back and carry on?

People see what powers do people who really cannot debate. Here is a message richyblack just sent me.

Cease and desist
Sent to: ElRazur on: Today at 12:46:07 AM »

Please if you don't want to debate then leave the forum. Stop insulting me. This is your last warning on this.

Woah, your inability to debate properly now means you are removing my post and making threats to me? You are a sore loser. I am not the type to back down, especially when I haven't insulted you in anyway.

I have taken a screen shot of your message for anyone who wants it.

RichyBlacK:
Ol boy, wetin I do you na?

So, I can't post my two cents lines?

What do you want from me? An article of equal length as the posted one?

Nna, biko o!

What did you do? Well, you are ignorant at a disturbing level. You have no idea of what is behind all of these. Further more, you appear to post this just to make a cheap point [an ignorant one by the way]. Only that you ain't prepared for the response from the like of me.

To give you a bit of insight, I suggest you look up the role of the Vatican during holocaust. Maybe if you understand that, perhaps you will be less ignorant and understand the issue at hand.

You posted a two line to all of that? May be it would be worth it if you keep your views to yourself sometimes.

I suggest you do a bit of reading, have a better understanding and come out of your darkness of ignorance, then perhaps you may actually have the mindset to debate free without preconceived ideas etc.

RichyBlacK:
I know I'm not a fan of Israel because of her policies, but why is it that supporters of Israel like to resort to ad hominems when someone upsets their delicate world-view on the infallibility of Israel?

Oh please. Now you are playing the victim. Get a grip.

Calling you ignorant is not an insult.  Here is an explanation if you really do not understand

Ignorance is the state in which a person lacks knowledge and is unaware of something. This should not be confused with being unintelligent.

So I still maintain that you really are ignorant. If you ain't, you wont result to making real insult [Calling me a swine is an insult, just in case you are ignorant of this too.]

This debate was doing fine until you came in here making claims you cannot defend when challenged. And this is you wanting a "Healthy debate", Do you even know what that means? Jeez.

For the record, simply because I disagree with some of your ignorant views do not make me pro Israel.

~Sauron~:
Shows ma ass. . . . . . .How much can Ruggedman make from a pathetic show where he would be paying more than he is raking in?
Where is your nous?? In the tertiary institutions, income is almost nil.
In big parties, artistes like Ruggedman are not "spray-able" like the Sunny Ades n Pasumas of this world so your theory is tasteless.

Dude, open your eyes. These folks get paid for each show in advance. I have a couple of firned that have bought a few naija acts here and they at least get paid half upfront and balance on completion of show. We are talking about millions of naira here.

And you accused me of being closed minded? Awesome!

~Sauron~:
I don't need accurate stats to project.
Nigerians will have 40 million jobless Naija Youths by 2020 does not mean it is accurate.
That is just demography for u. . . . . .Looking for accurate figures to the 4th decimal is a tad folly.

It is a common knowledge that projection and accuracy do not always go hand in hand. Besides, we are talking about record sales here and all you have is make an unconvincing case in my opinion.

~Sauron~:
It does. . . . . .Because i have had to paid for the same album THRICE.
If 333,333 apple customers suffer the same fate i did, thats 1 million album sales(Platinum).
Learn more, talk less.

How convenient for you. If I believe that then I would believe anything. Again your figures are magically plucked from the air without much fact behind it. What if other apple customer suffered same faith? In fact, what are the chances that many Nigerians will lose their Rugged man album three times and still go to buy it on itunes? Don't dont make me laugh.

~Sauron~:
I don't need accurate stats to project.
Nigerians will have 40 million jobless Naija Youths by 2020 does not mean it is accurate.
That is just demography for u. . . . . .Looking for accurate figures to the 4th decimal is a tad folly.

It is a common knowledge that projection and accuracy do not always go hand in hand. Besides, we are talking about record sales here and all you have is make an unconvincing case in my opinion.

~Sauron~:
The figures are not far-fetched. Go to apple.com/uk and see the counter and the countdown to 1 billion downloads

Dude no one is doubting you 1 billion download! What I am asking instead is how or what makes you say 5% of those 1 billion download is for naija aritst. I am not a maths expert, but 3 rugged album do not equate to 5% of 1 billion.

~Sauron~:
I don't need accurate stats to project.
Nigerians will have 40 million jobless Naija Youths by 2020 does not mean it is accurate.
That is just demography for u. . . . . .Looking for accurate figures to the 4th decimal is a tad folly.

It is a common knowledge that projection and accuracy do not always go hand in hand. Besides, we are talking about record sales here and all you have is make an unconvincing case in my opinion.

~Sauron~:
It's unfortunate you cannot think out of the box.
I rarely debate with close-minded peops.

***Sighs***
I have lost the appetite to continue this debate.

I like to keep the debate on track. I really do not see the need for what you introduced to it. I do not need to learn such tips from you. You do not know me or what I do you see. But most importantly, it was irrelevant to the debate at hand.

RichyBlacK:
If I'm ignorant then you're a BIG FOOL!

You have your opinion and I have mine! Nonsense idiot!

You opinions and approach are ignorant [and with very good reasons.] This I have shown in my previous post. Maybe you should deal with that instead of using Ad homen tactics.

Tayo-D:
@Richyblack,
You should ban yourself right away for such a response. Someone called you ignorant and you responded by calling him a fool. That in my opinion is a "disproportionate response." Does that ring a bell?

I just hope that the basis of his moderating status have nothing to do with his debating skills.

I think Nigeria will be hitting 3mb/sec for the 3g networks. This is a guess though. On my mobile broadband in my car, I can hit up to 7mb/sec and that is very slow in my opinion.

How ignorant are you RichyBlack? You ignored the very definition of a Rogue state and instead went after an opinion of someone I barely heard off? Where is the logic?

PS
Did you even take time to read what you posted?

"The comments of Mr. McNeely do not reflect the opinion of the government of Ontario or the premier," spokesman Chris Morley said. A few hours later, Mr. McNeely offered an apology.

"Recently I have made comments with respect to the current situation in the Middle East, which were inappropriate. I apologize for the language of my comments and sincerely regret the hurt they have caused," he said in a statement. "I recognize that the challenges faced in the Middle East are complex and longstanding. During this time of tension, it is even more important for everyone to remain respectful of each other, which I failed to do."

You really are ignorant.

RichyBlacK:
Your idiotic opinion. Who cares what you think? Israel is a rogue state, period!

You are really daft to be honest. Just because you claim Israel is a rogue state do not make it one.

Your word usage and understanding are very poor. I once again urge you to look up words and phrase before you use them.

Since you lack the knowledge to debate, talk less of debating objectively. Here is a bit of knowledge for you.

Rogue state is a term applied by some international theorists to states considered threatening to the world's peace. This means meeting certain criteria, such as being ruled by authoritarian regimes that severely restrict human rights, sponsor terrorism, and seek to proliferate weapons of mass destruction

rogue states are considered to be those nations utterly ruled by individuals (rather than subject to a popular electoral process) and whose legitimacy, intentions, and notions of the process of legitimate succession (if any) is highly suspect. Furthermore, rogue states (as opposed to nominal non-newsworthy dictatorships which pose no external threat) typically become consequential due to their engagement in the threat - or conduct of - war, particularly against neighbour states, without regard to international law.

There you go. Now that you know the basic meaning of a Rogue state, can you tell me how Israel fits into this? Or you just gonna engage your "naija mentality" and carry on been ignorant?

Iran fits in more to those definitions than any nation I can think off right now.

RichyBlacK:
I'm sure you think "Rogue State" is just a synonym for "Axis of Evil".

Don't be daft. I am asking you if you know the meaning of the phrase you used in the first place.

Israel do not fit into what you will class as a Rogue state period.

PS
You are so sure, you even know what "I think". Gosh I don't think it is worth wasting my time on this one.

Is this even constitutional? I love Nigeria, a place where the impossible becomes possible.

davidylan:
Why shld they? Many of them are still going back to beg Ahmedinejad for funds.

They clapped didn't they? At least they [i]did [/i]something.

davidylan:
you shouldnt have bothered . . . we all know that when it comes to Israel, Richy forgets all about objectivity. I wonder what he regards as "unilateral action" by Israel . . . does he mean enduring 6yrs of constant rocket attacks from Gaza?

It sucks when people cannot debate freely without emotions or preconceived idea. It is become a very common thing around here for people to just barge in to a thread and post for the sake of it. What happened to approaching a debate with a logical mind, common sense and weighing the facts?

ikeyman00:
see them

useless [b]vampires and zombie[/b]s waitin for their time

I keep telling you dawg. We are all phucked as these Zombies and vampires are immortals.

dasa:
no need for too much talk. post a link to a video u have done. Convince people using your work.

Precise and clinical. My kind of guy.


It sucks when every dick and harry comes in here to say "ooohhhhhh check us out. We are at idumota lane. We are the best" "We are the original" "we offer cheap rate". Yet the wont post a sample of their work! Then eventually when people ignore them, they carry on posting alone in that thread with follow ups "check us out, peace"

Jeez, some people really do not know how to do business in Nigeria. Post a sample of what you have done. Let you work do the talking and not your post!

RichyBlacK:
If Israel, a well known aggressor-state, strikes Iran, I expect the Iranians to strike back! This sense of entitlement by a few nations, as regards development, must be stopped.

Iran has made it clear that her nuclear program is for peaceful purposes, hence their is no reason to bomb Iran. Any so-called intelligence that shows that Iran is developing nuclear weapons must be corroborated with other sources and tabled at the UN.

Unilateral actions by rogue states in the middle-east, e.g. Israel, must not be given any legitimacy by being tolerated.

Iran must start drawing up plans for a retaliatory strike against Israel if the Zionist State is still living in the limbo of "we can do anything to any nation"!

It is all well to label and what not. I think you will fond that you are inaccurate.

Finally, I will suggest you look up the meaning of a Rogue state before using it next time.

Oh you got the wheel? Lucky bastard!! I wanted the wheel as well, but it is like 80box here or so.

Some crazy guy I know from another forum, built a whole arcade-like chair for the game with a 52inch tv hooked on.

Get your game on on Pro evo man, it would be nice to play a naijan for once.

It is their money and they can do as see they see fit.

How is it bothering you? Just dont go to the show.

~Sauron~:
Figures adding up to the nearest 3 decimal places ain't ma concern.
All i am saying is. . . . . .The figures might be more accurate than you think.
These artistes are not driving posh cars and living on opulence out of the pockets of charity organisations.

Then what is your point then? You are yet to show as to how these figures may be accurate like you seem to think.

There is something called "Shows" in the showbiz world. They make more money from shows than they do on cd, that will explain the comfortable lifestyle.

~Sauron~:
I don't have the stats but one can project.
In the last 3 years, i have bought Ruggedman's album on itunes THRICE because Apple are rogues.
I have lost ma iPod once and i have lost all ma music files TWICE on the same iPod.
Loads of people woulda suffered the same fate as me and reh reh reh.

You dont have the stats, but you are willing to wager on something you are yet to prove?

Funny how you seem to provide a scenario that on close inspection do not stand scrutiny. First you know ten people and now you bought same album multiple times, Okay. I will go with that for now. In the grand scale of things, buying the same album do not make difference to the debate at hand.

~Sauron~:
U have not proven anything here.
Apple are few days away from celebrating 1 billion downloads in their itunes store.
I am willing to bet at least 5% of those figures were from Naija Hip Hop artistes.

Apart from the fact that those figures are almost not provable and highly inaccurate, Yes I haven't!

You are once again willing to wager on something you just mentioned you do not have the figures to back up. Jeez, you are good.

~Sauron~:
Physical discs are tiring. . . . . . .They are immovable objects.
U cannot continue to carry your CDs everywhere you go so downloads are easily preferable.
Besides, Apple's music files have more quality. Ruggedman's tracks on i-tunes are about 8MB each on MPEG-4 format.

Irrelevant to the debate at hand and highly subjective am afraid.

~Sauron~:
Sync that into any car deck with maximum volume and watch your speakers go in flames.
I would take that over any physical disc(which are less than MP3) anytime anyday. Quality is a necessary virtue for me.
Most Nigerians want quality.

I never said it was accurate but it will def'ly be more accurate than you think.

Again irrelevant and highly subjective.

If it is definitely more accurate, what are your facts backing these claims up? Something you are yet to show, or something you really do not have the figures for, Remember?

~Sauron~:
Says who??

Based on what we all have discussed here so far, it is a safe bet to say those figures do not add up. If you disagree please state your reasons.

~Sauron~:
If putting Naija artistes on itunes won't profit Apple, why would they venture into it in the first place??

Again go back to my previous post. Also can you provide me with figures from itunes as to how many downloads those artist you named have managed?

~Sauron~:
Conveniently forgetting the tens of millions of Nigerians in diaspora who are hooked on Apple's itunes.
I buy all ma Naija songs on itunes and i know over 20 of ma mates who do the same.

It is easier to make figures up as one goes you see. I am not a fan of iTunes and so are a host of others I know. In fact, I detest anything apple branded, but that is another story.

I buy my songs from a naija shop here as I prefer to have a physical disc before transferring it to my Pc, Walkman etc., however I very much doubt the authenticity of the album - she is known to make her own etc.


We can go on all day, but to make a claim that those figures are accurate and shows a true reflection of album sales in Naija, is just not true.

slyfoxxjoe:
@elrazur-sharap my friend who ask u question? and y exactly are u tellin me ur account ballance? are u a scammer or something?
@blacksta-ur mama!

It is a public forum, you do not have to ask me a question, Duh

As for my bank account balance, well you missed the joke.

~Sauron~:
The record sales Naija artistes claim might be more accurate than you think.
90% of Najia hip-hop artistes(Rugged-man, Mode-9, Styl-Plus, 2face etc) are now on Apple's itunes store.
Apple had a reason for putting em there. . . . . .They are selling in large proportions.

No it is inaccurate.

Apple is playing a strategy - To eat more into the download market and take a chunk at Microsoft in some ways. Hence why it is possible to find almost anything and anyone on itunes.

How many people in naija actively pays 70p for a track when their classmate can burn a whole album for free? Do the maths.

Eziachi:
This is laughable, isn't this another gimmick scheme to steal money by Nigerian rogue rulers? Another of Babangiida's Peoples Bank brewing. How can a nation with no known record keeping or data system ever to run a social security scheme?
How will they know who has a job and who hasn't as there are no tax record in Nigeria? where a normal street person never pays tax and rich people pays only what they are willing to give up and mostly to get their paper for visa processsing as that is compulsory with many embassies in Nigeria.

As we speak, Nigeria has no record of birth, death. Areas are never postcoded, post office which form the engine of any social security is non existence. People move about like roaming animal without any legal known address system, people quotes any age they feel like quoting when it suits the occassion.

Police has no record of criminals, no record criminal convictions or things like motoring offences, hence a single car in Nigeria during it's life time can bear as many colours as the owner is willing to smack on it's body, while in many countries even as little as Cameroon and Gabon every car can only bear one single body colour through out it's life shelf on the road.
Will they pay it by cash or straight to the bank and how many Nigeria run a bank account? If it's by cash, those paying out will be opening ghost accounts where they will be paying the whole money into. Do you remember the toll gates? Give me a break!!!!!!

That is a very funny post. Keep it up. Lmao. It is very funny and very true. I wonder if the poster call I_laugh is having a mental fit just reading this.

davidylan:
Err does direct support for HAMAS and Hezbollah also constitute "rhetoric"? I think you need a good dose of honesty.

You wait till he tells you that American arms Israel too. [But ignoring the fact that, it is done legally and not through back doors.]

Even though every nation on earth have the right to defend herself. Especially a place like Israel where they are surrounded by those who want them dead.