₦airaland Forum

baby124:
I don't agree with you. The Yoruba civilization is clearly different and distinct from the Egyptian civilization. They may have traded but that is it. The so called Yoruba people of today created their own distinct civilization. I don't know about other's. Same with the Egyptians. All civilization today spread from East Africa, even the ancient Egyptians and everyone found their way to their current abode. Ancient Egyptians are most likely in North Africa specifically Sudan which shared a kinship with Egypt. Those people have nothing to do and had little or no influence on the Ypruba's of today.

Do you know the origin of the name Egypt? Maybe you should dig a little bit.

That place you calk Egypt wasn't always known as Egypt. And the people there currently are recent settlers.

baby124:
You do know Yoruba's had their own distinct text? Same with Igbo's and this is totally different from the Egyptian texts. I know because my grand mother was tattooed with a strange text. Now, it's very easy to see the transition from Nok art forms to ancient Yoruba art forms. Even the beading is quite similar and the terra-cotta expressions just show an upgrade by the people now known as Yoruba. We all know that Kanuri, Hausa and Fulani are nomadic in nature so they did not occupy that location at the time of the Nok. The most likely people to have Egyptian influence are the Hausa, Fula and Kanuri. They are everywhere and moved around a lot. Not the Yoruba. Experts have studied both cultures and have seen that there was a relationship. These people obviously were driven south at some point. They knew about Iron, and Yoruba's have been using Iron since forever. We can't even remember how we came across the technology same with terra-cotta and Brass. But we passed this technology to the Benins. One of the Nok Terra-cotta heads even carried didi weaving. Which is a distinct Yoruba hairstyle and is shown in ancient Yoruba sculptures as well. A lot of their art was also focused on the head, same with Yoruba's.

If there's the possibility that Nok=old Yoruba, then there's the possibility that even before Yorubas were known as Nok, they first inhabited the Nile region.

Have you thought about the possibility that those terracota heads and sculptures you're talking about are miniature versions of those great sculptures of Pharaohs and the Sphinx head that they built while they inhabited the Nile area? After all, they were still in transit and wouldn't build anything permanent or gigantic.

My theory is that when the very ancient inhabitants of the Nile were forced to flee down south, they brought along with them their knowledge of artwork amongst other things and they intended to flee as down south as possible from whatever was chasing them.

It is possible that they got to their present location when they encountered the sea at eko. Or Maybe they got to Ife first.

Then they settled down and their propensity to build huge structures as evidenced by the giant statues of Pharaohs, the Sphinx and the pyramids got them to build the Eredo which looks like a gigantic fortress to keep out invaders or to mark territories, something you'd expect from people who had to flee their home because of a war or invasion.

So while I'm not disagreeing with you on the fact that the Nok evolved into the Yorubas, There's also the possibility that the inhabitants of Kemet along the Nile evolved into the Nok people.

How sure are you that the markings on your grandmother's body aren't hieroglyphics?

Do you know that the name "Yoruba" was given to us by later inhabitants of the present day Northern Nigeria whom we call Awusa?

So it begs the questions
1. What is the meaning of the word "Yoruba"?

2. What was the original name of the people now known as Yoruba?


You say it's more likely that the Fulani came from Egypt because of their nomadic lifestyle. I disagree. The Fulani doest just walk around aimlessly because He likes walking. He is a nomad because he looks for the best pastures to graze his cattle on. So tell me, How would the fulanis roam their cattle towards the desert where there's no grass for grazing per se

ManTiger:
I like your sense of reasoning.

My younger brothers friend is serving in Borno State, we talk from time to time and he shared some of your views, you either have someone in the army because your sense of reasoning is too deep.

The reason why Boko Haram menace is still ongoing is because of the mad gain the top generals are making.

He regret ever joining the army!

Thanks.

baby124:
There are art forms to compare with the Nok culture and Yoruba culture. Yoruba also had a presence in the North but today are as far as Kogi and Jebba. So the possibility of them being descendants of the Nok is quite high. The Egyptian claim is bullshit because most of the Egyptian words have not even been decoded yet. So where did you find all those many words to use as proof. Nutjobs go online creating stories out of the sky that don't exist to twist history. Leave Yoruba out of it. Let us preserve our own history. Ancient Egyptians are in Sudan, not Yorubaland ok? There is nothing like Ijinle kink Yoruba in the color Red. When the attempt at bending so called Egyptian words by Yoruba meanings all seem to be similar to today's popular language patterns. That fake link can not have been created more than 5yrs ago. Your post did infer that Yoruba's must have come from Egypt to achieve the feats they have achieved. That's not true.

I do hope you know that you are making utter conjectures too.

There's nothing in your post that PROVES conclusively that Nok =Yoruba.

You only mentioned similarity of art forms which can be explained away by trade.

You claim that Yorubas also inhabited the north at some point in time. Have you asked yourself How our forefathers came to be in the north and were their descendants are in the south today?

When you after coming from Egypt by land doesn't it make sense that you'll pass through the north?

Don't get me wrong, I'm not disputing the fact that the Yoruba culture may have influenced the Nok culture or vice versa, but it's still total conjecture, guess work. And you telling me that the theories I share are rubbish shows that you're not a scientist who is ready to look at opposing views and see If they also have merit.

Who were the Nok people? What was their culture? What was their language? Let's compare them to the present Yoruba culture that were know. Put these facts forward and let's have a scholarly debate and not you Pooh poohing my post.

All you have so far are similar art works.

Let me quote a portion of a research done by the university of Iowa:

Some of the earliest examples of sophisticated sculpture in sub-Saharan Africa come from the Nok culture. We do not know what the people called themselves, so the culture was named after the town of Nok where the first object was found. The fired clay or terracotta sculptures range in size from small pendant to life-size figures. Nok is an iron age culture that has been dated between 900 B.C. and 200 A.D. Archaeological artifacts have been found in Nigeria, primarily to the north of the Niger-Benue River confluence and below the Jos escarpment. According to some accounts, based on artistic similarities between early Yoruba art forms and Nok forms, there may be connections between Nok culture and contemporary Yoruba peoples

You can check the full article here:

https://africa.uima.uiowa.edu/peoples/show/nok

Now, to the Egyptian connection.

All you have against it is the word "red" which you insist is not the same in the Yoruba language.

You say ancient Egyptian language hasn't been decoded yet? I'd say you don't know what you are talking about.

Ancient Egypt used hieroglyphics to communicate and yes, it has been decoded.

Check:

https://en.m.wikibooks.org/wiki/User:Vuara/Decoding_Egyptian_hieroglyphs

And this:


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Decipherment_of_Egyptian_hieroglyphs


And this:

https://www.amazon.com/Decoding-Egyptian-Hieroglyphs-Language-Pharaohs/dp/0811832252


For proof.

musicwriter:
Pidgin is an African creation. If you're confused about "Pidgin English" it may interest you to know "Pidgin English" is misnomer. The real name is Pidgin and like Jamaican patois it has nothing to do with English language.

You are dancing around my points.

Why should we replace English with Pidgin instead of our mother tongue?

baby124:
I read it well. Ancient Egyptians are not Yoruba's. They are different people and different civilizations. Ancient Yoruba's are probably closer to the Nok people. Their terra-cotta art is quite similar. Yoruba people had their own civilization. The link provided, I read it and it's all conjecture that is far reaching. They even say *Red Color* in Yoruba is Duden. Red is pupa. Lol.Egyptians were black but they were not Yoruba.

First, there was nowhere in my post where I said Yorubas are Egyptians, old or new.

Second, of course everything is conjecture, even your own claim of Nok culture, unless you can tell us that you went back in time to find out. In other words no one knows anything for sure.

Third, some of the word comparison in the link may sound strange to you, but You'll be surprised that they sound very close to some other Yoruba dialects like Ondo and Ijebu, what we invariably refer to as ede adugbo in Yoruba.

So, that you don't recognize it doesn't mean it doesn't exist in Yoruba. Also it could be Ijinle Yoruba, deep or conc. Yoruba.

The researcher provides a strong case for his arguments and all I've done is to bring it out for a scholarly discussion. I hope you get that.

musicwriter:
Again, Pidgin is a language on its own right!. The mixtures of other languages is exactly as English is a mixture of French, Latin, Spanish, German, Greek, it's exactly the same reason you'll see mixtures of Yoruba and Bini, for instance. That doesn't mean Yoruba language is a variant of Bini language or Bini a variant of Yoruba. It's normal in the evolution of languages for such variations to occur.

Why then do you adore English; when it's also a variant of Greek, Latin, Spanish, French, Dutch? English is the most patched up language in the world with input from over six other languages!!!

My only worry is there are people in leadership position across Africa who are still locked inside the box like you. I have no idea how long before we all wake up from the matrix.

I'm sorry, but you're not making sense.

Pidgin English is the language you want Nigeria to adopt as her official language. Why?

You accuse me of adoring the English language, yet won't mind adopting a variant of it. Where's the sense in that? Or am I missing something?

baby124:
Yoruba's are not Egyptians. Stop belittling their achievements please. Yoruba's are from Nigeria.

Are you sure you read that post very well?

Please read again. Besides know what you're trying to do. I won't indulge you I assure you.

uzoexcel:
I thought they were related to the ancient Egyptians...I mean d Yoruba ancestors

There are speculations to that. Read my submissions above and the link I provided.

buffalowings:
I'm waiting for you to tell us how you guys are the lost descendants of jews

Please just ignore the fool. Don't let's derail this beautiful thread.

I have heard of this eredo and bilikisu sungbo stories before now. Lots of peopl believe her to be queen Sheba of the King Solomon fame.

Most of our history is lost, no doubt. I wish the state governors in the southwest would gather Yoruba archaeologists and historians together to piece together the history of the Yorubas as far as they can go.

I've read it extensively somewhere that the Yorubas who inhabit the southwest of Nigeria were aborigines of Kemet, the place now popularly known as Egypt and that a catastrophe, (historians not sure If it was war), saw them migrate in waves down south.

According to these historians, they migrated in large batches fleeing for their lives.

They went on to show similarities between the languages of the old Egypt and Yoruba, especially the dialect spoken by Ijebu, Ondo and Itshekiri.

Many parallels were also drawn between the culture and traditions of the old Egypt and the Yoruba.

Please read more here:

http://www.raceandhistory.com/cgi-bin/forum/webbbs_config.pl?md=read;id=2139

You'd be amazed.


If only the wall eredo, can be mapped to see where it ended, and systematic and archaeological digging sponsored by the government of the 6 Yoruba states...it'd be wonderful and she'd more light to the history.

Also, historians should meet with all those very old folks living around there, you know, those ones that look like they are 500 years old, and prod their memories for stories.

musicwriter:
Let me tell you a little about the English language you adore.

When two languages collide something called a creole language evolves. That's exactly how English language itself evolved!!. Pidgin English is a creole language originating from collision of European's and our languages. Today, Pidgin is a language in its own right like Jamaican Patois and many other creole languages.

For your information, Britain was also mostly colonized by Germans, French, Spaniards, Rome, within the 4th-5th century AD. During their time of slavery they also spoke a mixure of English and the other languages of their captors. But, once they regained their freedom, they banned all foreign languages in the entire British isle, and adopted their native English language (which was then 40% local and 60% foreign language) just as Pidgin is today. The year was 1362 and it was only then that English became an official language. Therefore, what we learn today as English is just a standardized creole language like Pidgin!!.

When our eyes open to our stupidity, we will ban English in our lands and pay attention to our native languages. Many Asian nations who were also colonized had already made that change, as I said earlier.

My people, open your eyes!. English was not originally an official language!!. It became an official language only in 1362!!!.

The origin of English language. Everybody should see these videos, it's under 20 minutes, all.

The evolution of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kIzFz9T5rhI
The origin of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YEaSxhcns7Y
The history of English language.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=njJBw2KlIEo
How languages evolve.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iWDKsHm6gTA

After all said and done, pidgin ENGLISH is still not our mother tongue know Nigeria.

Abandoning English because it isn't our mother tongue and adopting another variant which still isn't our mother tongue doesn't make sense to me.

Acetyl:
definitely no, there improvement but can u also compare the level of killings being carried out by Fulani herdsmen? Fulanis are killing, destroying property everywhere. so it's a wist of maneuver

True. You're right. The Fulani herdsmen killings is a blight on Buhari's administration and integrity.

That's probably the only major fault I see in him.

tonio2wo:
All these because of a plate of rice

What's this one talking about?

Be clear dude or get off my mentions. No time.

Acetyl:
Yes but bro the level of massacre in the north east pass ritual killing bro more than thousands soul went for it coupled with billions naira property destroyed

All because of corruption.

Can you compare the boko haram of Jonathan's time to the boko haram of this time?

ikeadewole:
Cc:mynd44

Cc: Seun

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No, we shouldn't abandon our native languages. The official language in Yorubaland should be Yoruba. The official language in Igboland should be Igbo. E.T.C.

So If the above is true, then who's going to speak the pidgin then?

Pidgin English is a creole language and its an African creation. It's not a white man's language. Of course, western authority over your mind makes you consider Pidgin as inferior to English language.

Pidgin is a corruption of the original language. It is not exactly a new language as such.

It is spoken by the less literate and those of the lower stratum of the society mostly.

Are you saying that this is what our children should be taught in school?

Toronto123:
These Yoruba monarchs like groove and travel pass anything that is why no one respect them. Do you see Olu of Warri or the Oba of Benin or the Monarchs from the east gallivanting everywhere. Least respected monarchs in Nigeria

When you become the Ooni of Ife, you can lock yourself up in the palace and be waiting for visitors to come and greet you, or wait for tourists to come and stare at you like a museum piece.

But until then will you STFU!!!

OmoIgala:
I agree.
The crown most especially. Is that even a crown?

You are ignorant of Yoruba customs and traditions especially what an Oba wears outside his place.

ziddy:
Imagine the amount of foreign exchange this Ooni squanders on each pointless trip abroad

Did he come to borrow money from your family for his travelling?

Why don't you mind your freaking business and wake us up when your own chief has enough money and clout to leave your village.

musicwriter:
Pidgin English.

Just listen to yourself bro, pidgin ENGLISH.

So we should abandon our local languages and adopt a variant of the English language?

Acetyl:
well I know politicians are devilish especially the Nigerian folks but I don't think any Southern can compromise the security of his own people because money and advice from someone else from another region... I know the country we are living square pet are put in round holes huh

Hmmm... you don't know our southern folks then.

You've forgotten that the northerners don't do ritual killings for money, we Southerners do.

tonio2wo:
You are not even from ekiti neither do u live there! Shior!

No I'm not from Ekiti (Thank God), but Ekiti was once under my state and it's also a Yoruba state, besides, I'm a Nigerian, so Yes I can comment on this with authority.

Fayose is a disgrace to himself, his family, his state, the Yoruba people and Nigeria as a whole.

musicwriter:
These excuses you have has been around for over 100 years. This's why I said "it's time to come out of the box".

Vietnam has changed it's" official language" for French to Vietnamese.

Thailand has changed it's "official language" from English to Thai.

Malaysia has changed it's "official language" from English to Malay.

Indonesia has changed it's "official language" from English to Indonesian.

In 1362, England changed it's "official language" from French and Latin to English.

Only fools would maintain a status quo because it've been accepted for long. Again, it's time to come out of the box.

I see.

So you who are the smart one, tell us, which language should Nigeria adopt as here lingua franca?

Yoruba? Igbo? Or Hausa?

Acetyl:
Why am exonerating GEJ is he procured every necessary military equipments needed to combat the war, every dine asked for by then chief security advertiser was given which Dasuki later diverted for his own use and coupled with facts that he had issues with sokoto caliphate for ousting his dad then. If not GEJ would have been prosecuted by international community for not handling the issues well as we witness from other countries but major countries can see the war equipments his government purchased so the blame still lie much on the then chief security adviser I mean Dasuki he is from North, he knows where the shoe pinches them, they are the one feeling the heat of boko boys. So the grievances should be channeled to Northerns that why I said they are their own problem

Bro, a little advice here. Don't ever vouch for any politician. They are not worth it.

Dasuki was NSA, do you honestly believe that He diverted funds many for security to politicians without his boss's awareness?

Jonathan can not be prosecuted. You guys should realise that Nigeria is not a baby country that even the U.S. can invade anyhow.

Worse case scenario, they'll leave us to kill ourselves.

Obasanjo asked Jonathan to tell everyone the reason why he wasn't fighting boko haram.

Jonathan hoped that the crisis in the north east would continue so that there wouldn't be an election there which happens to be the stronghold of his main opponent.

Remember there was a renewed effort on the part of the fg when Jonathan realised here might lose the election sure to his shoddy handling of the terrorist group.

That's one of the reasons he postponed the election from February 14. Remember?

ikeadewole:
Cc:mynd44

...and so? Better go and take your seat beneath the lagoon.

When you start showing some respect to others on this forum you'll get some too.

You can copy Seun too.

Or do you need t-fare?

Fayose is a mistake.

musicwriter:
The grand theft of African artifacts by Britain and how to return them to Africa, should be the purpose of this trip. Lets have our creations back and let white people come to Africa and pay to view them in our own museums. How could our works in British museums continue earning money for Britain? And you tell me slavery is over?

On culture, what he should've done is speak Yoruba and they should have an interpreter to translate to English. Vladimir Putin speaks English very well, but you'll never see him speak it on camera. Angela Mickel speaks French and English very well, but they put their languages first. Language is the first instrument for promoting culture!!.

No need for that. He isn't a visiting head of state.

The countries you mentioned don't have English as their lingua franca, we do.

Do you know How many minutes might be allowed for this interview slot? It'd be kinda silly to waste much time on interpreters when the interviewee is competent in speaking English.

WafiChapo:
What does he do to better Nigeria?

Wasn't aware that he's one of your politically elected leaders or civil servant.

Acetyl:
well said sha but I don't like blaming GEJ for the boko issues cos the Northerns are the problem of themselves,let another Southern attain that post and you will witness another poo from the north.

When boko haram started in 2009, I was doing my NYSC in a village in the North, Plateau state to be precise.

There was palpable fear in the air.

But few weeks after, Yar'Adua's government decimated the group and would have finished them off If not for his death.

Enter Jonathan.

Remember his witless speeches?

The "I am not a general in the army" speech,

the " boko haram are my brothers and sisters" speech

And the "There's terrorism in other countries, so Maybe is our turn" speech

These make it so difficult to absolve him of any blame or complicity.

I place the blame squarely at his feet bro.

Oduduwatic:
My people can be dark o

i can only see a lady's face. Thats all.

They have started arriving. Children of hate. You're welcome.

You can take your seat there...no, no, over there, at the bottom of the lagoon. Yes there!

Austin4lif:
then stop hating and start working. Unsuccessful people have this trait of hating and blaming.

I'm sure you lack comprehension skills. I'm not surprised though. Only someone like you can actually admire Dino the dinosaur.