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jacyhelen:
I was born and brought up into a christain Home.Had my English Name and did Baptism of the Holy spirit but the deception,Fear instigated by Our Fathers in the lord and Hypocricy in Nigeria Version Of Christainty has made me to Lose Interest in IT.
I have come to understand one thing:Religion[Chrsiatanity] has kept the balance between Good and evil...
Religion[Christanity] has made people to be Lazy,made them to live a life full of illusion.
I believe in a super-Natural God who made all things,am not an Atheist but the Hypocricy in Christanity has made me to PULL off this day as a Christain and Rather be a REALIST.
One thing we have as humans is: Freedom of CHOICE and Today i have Choosen to be A REALIST...
It breakes my Heart that some friends,Families will turn against me but like i said earlier above:We all have Freedom Of Choice and i have Choosen Mine..
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It’s hard to accept the life we live, as it is. We’ve always been told to have a positive attitude to life. I listen to several of motivational audios and I nod my head gearing myself up in those uplifting words which charge my mind for some few moments.
Later on, the jumping clouds of happy moments vanishes and I am left with my reality. Fear, anguish and sullenness then beam on me.
I’m not objecting the values of these contents or being optimistic generally but it is a fact that when you are REAL with yourself and the life around you, you will keep your mind STRAIGHT and be FOCUSED on working towards a better life than building castles in the air.
Realism is not the same as Pessimism or Atheiesim And realism is best to be adopted in all life situations.
From the minute you open your eyes in the morning. For example, you are looking for a Job and believe this Monday will be better than yesterday just because a motivational book told you so. Rather face the day with what you’ve got.
The real thing is; You are conscious of your situation, you identify your mistakes and tend to build yourself everyday which makes the [today-you] better than your yesterday-you and you set out with a focused mind, not a blurry hopeful mind. You might eventually achieve what you set out to do.
At all times, we should do all that we can do and leave the ones we can’t do.
Nevertheless, I won’t ever want to be a Pessimist or an Atheiest. As I see better side to things (optimism), I want to also be Real and Happy....
Realist in the House pls welcome me and show me love...
I need books on Realisim
#Atheist pls back off!!!
Be real with life and be Happy instead of being a Hypocricy in #Christainity.

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Lovely Moderators
pls Move to Front Page!!!!

What is Hypocrism?

PastorAIO:
The Book of Wars was referenced by the writer of the Torah whoever that may be.

Quite unlikely it was Moses as I pointed out earlier.

You said Moses couldn't have written the Torah because he was dead, i then asked who referenced the Book of the Wars of the Lord which you brought up. Which book of the Bible mentioned the Book of Wars?

And, i asked you before why you are shifting grounds?

So now it's no longer Ezra who wrote the Torah, but 'Whoever?'.

Am not about the book of the wars which you are trying to make this about, i want to know how Ezra could have written the Torah. Pls let's dwell on this.

Thenewtruth:
But they mentioned her. Your point would have been valid if they hadn't mentioned her.

You get the point did you? Except a significant event happened with or to the daughters, they are not mentioned.

Leaves thread.

PastorAIO:
Are you serious? Is it me you're asking? Why don't you go to your local bookstore and ask them to order it for you. If they complain insist that the book is mentioned in the bible and they must find it for you.



Oh, now you are an expert in the Book. You say that the account of the 'Jews' (hebrew's actually) conquest Canaan was written in the Book.

Okay, another book is now written called the Torah which makes reference to The Book of the Wars. Is it not obvious that the Book of the Wars was written before the Torah?

Not only that but you say the book was an account of the Israelite's conquest of Canaan. The conquest of Canaan continued long after Moses was suipposed to have died. Therefore this amounts to the second evidence that Moses did not write the Torah.

1) The Torah talks about his Death

2) The Torah makes reference to a book about the conquest of Canaan which continued long after Moses death.

And the Book of Wars was referenced by Moses or Joshua who took over from Moses?

Thenewtruth:
But in 1st Chronicle 6:3 is the genealogy of Levi:



As you can see Aaron was recorded to be the first child.

Well, those days, daughters were hardly even countered as Children. Case in point, the Sons of Jacob. They are countered as 12, but you know that Jacob had duaghters? Dinah was one of them. If the incident of her defilement did happen which made her brothers take revenge on a whole village, her name would not have been mentioned. Even when it was mentioned, she was not countered as a Child.

In the case of Miriam also, she was mentioned only becos of the vital role she played in the life of Moses, without that she wouldn't be mentioned at all.

She who took care of Moses in i fancy, (She was old enough to hang around by the River to watch what will happen and suggested a wet Nurse) was mentioned after Moses.

sonmvayina:
You are nothing but I slowpoke....I said the Torah is a spiritual manual, Moss is just a character in the story, same as Abraham, and all the others...for the last time it is not a historical story..they are spiritual stories that Ezra adapted from Babylonian tales....

All the Gods of the old testament are all Anunaki Gods.....Marduk being the father of all the Gods, Enki, Enlil ,Inanna, Nergal...etc.

In the Noah story Enki was the God who gave man the blue print for making the ark. Enlil was the one who brought the flood. Together they all constitute what is referred to as Elohim.

OkCornel, pls pls and pls, come over here and ask this quy the questions you asked Ifenes, he probably didn't see those questions. I am too busy to go over them with this guy.

Or, i will have to find time and repost the questions to this guy.

Guy, If you had tried to answer my questions point by point, your confusion will have been cleared.

1Sharon:
Samuel Ekwueme the 17 year old pennsylvannian girl

For once your existence in this forum, come up with some discussion that can educate others. Stop this fixation on a married man who doesn't care if you were a bacteria in his toilet.

Now, Gerarahia for good and be Permanently Ignored.

PastorAIO:
If you were a sincere guy you would ask for the passage where the Torah makes reference to an older source



Numbers 21-14


Obviously the book of the wars of the Lord already existed before the Torah that's why whoever was writing that part of the Torah could make reference to it.

Therefore the events that the Torah speaks about already existed in Hebrew lore.

Okay, can we go about getting this book of the Wars of the Lord? From there we can ascertain who wrote them and when? Can you provide them or it?

And which Wars are we even talking about here? If the Wars refers to the Wars fought by the Israelites in the Wilderness, then you should know the references made pointed where the accounts were recorded, not that those events happened some years before the Torah was written.


Let me make it clearer for the sincere readers, not the biased bent on twisting the truth.

So many Wars were fought by the Jews trying to claim the land their God gave to them, the accounts or details of what ensued were written in a book Called 'The Book of the Wars of The Lord'. If the compilers of the Jews decided to separate those accounts from the Torah and make reference to them when necessary, didn't mean those accounts took place long before God created the Universe as recorded in the Torah.

Pls, how did we leave off talking about Ezra who lived after Prophet Jeremiah, After King Nebuchadnezzar who took Ezra into Captivity in the first place, and after Prophet Daniel and him (Ezra) writing the Torah to the books of the Wars of the Lord? Are you trying to shift grounds here?

Anyone who came up with the theory of Ezra writing the Torah obviously did not think, and out of desperation, some folks decided to also swallow what was served them hoping they can pass off their lies.

Shugarlord213:
Listen to me, I personally forgot about women (of course they had nothing to offer) and saved my money, ate once a day and and within four months I got myself a white Camry muscle 2014

Now girls flock from left, right and center, in church, restaurant, new streets, friends neighborhoods etc

Guy I personally hate asslickers and possie nighas that give this h.oes way day bend down piss attention

Work they cannot work, they see work na to open leg for oga them. Trust a naija woman at your own peril


Abi na by force to marry, wedding money why not buy yourself a nice car and marry yourself to yourself.
If you need a child go to a orphanage and adopt a cute baby,

You need sex, go to schools and pick the ever young ones, collect your friends number off their phone while they are washing their diseased bodies in the bathroom

For me I day nacck them, some I no day allow shower at all, I drop them off at the busstop where the touts and agberos are and squeeze #500 naira for their hand. always make sure it’s girl way day rain (hot cake)for her area or school. So you can get a satisfied feeling.


I don banng plenty of my guys gals (way day on leggediz Benz) since they no wan get sense

I don banng 8 girls mama join

Look I treat them the way they deserve and yet they still keep coming back. I no fit spend pass 700 naira for woman head God forbid

May HIV plus Magun visit you.

Thenewtruth:
But in Exodus 2:9-10


How did Moses knew his mother if he was named by Pharaoh's daughter and was virtually adopted by her?

Miriam is his younger sister. .. .. So how can it be Miriam?

Can't you read what you quoted by yourself? Moses' mother raised Moses. Miriam the senior sister kept close watch over what went on about the child. When there was need for wet nurse, Miriam asked if she could look amongst the Jews for one, since they knew the child was Jewish and no Egyptian nurse will nurse it.

Moses' mother was called in. She was paid to nurse her own child.

Moses, kept close taps with what went on amongst his people, because, altho he was raised in the palace, he knew his true identity.

Where did you see it written that Miriam was Moses' younger sister?

When Moses was put in a basket and left in the Nile, who was the girl who watched to see what will happen to the child? Was it me?

bunbit23:
So, pastors should know their limitations because they have limitations. Angel Michael can't do work of angel Gabriel. So angel Uriel can't do work of angel Raphael.
It's out of pastors spiritual mandate to take a soul for water rituals (or baptism). But you see this happening today.
A pastor is not a prophet which is why the most high through his angels has never given them spirit of prophesy.
Any person who is a pastor and also a prophet today knows how his power of vision comes to be. Only him has the truth to tell the people just like I know truly well it's not a pure spirit.

For power and dominion, you see them going here and there seeking for what was not giving unto them for selfish reasons.
Because they wanted to dominate and rule their territory which takes them out from realm of light.

Because of their selfishness, they seek to do and perform all spiritual services. It's not holy service.

Where did you come up with the names of Angels Uriel and Raphael?

CuteMadridista:
we all know Sam Ekwueme is still amongst us

Why have you not done something about that?

Lawwd, i detest cowards.

That boy don go o. Make him no kill himself o.

PastorAIO:
Let me highlight your questions that you asked so that you can see that even though they were not addressed to me I did answer them to the best of my knowledge.





The History of the Yorubas was written by Samuel Johnson in the 18th century. However Yoruba history and the events contained in the book occurred or were rumored to have occurred centuries before.

The Torah is a book. It contains lore and stories that are rumored to have occurred long before the book was written. The story in the book and the book itself don't have to come into existence at the same time. The book can be a compilation of all the various stories that have been told for centuries before hand, added to and redacted many times over the centuries.

This is obvious in the OT because the OT itself makes references of other more authoritative books that it got it's stories from. For example the Book of Jasher.
The Book of the Wars of the Lord was referenced in the Torah itself.

Plsssss. You guys should give it a rest. You believe in what you believe. Carry on.

sonmvayina:
You are the one who is slow to understand....we are talking about the Torah( Genesis to deteronomy) I said they where written by Ezra just after their exile in about 530bc and presented afterwards...and that ,that was the first time anybody knew anything about it...it is a spiritual manual not historical ...and most of the stories where adapted from Babylonian epics...

The serpent of the good tree was Ninghizhida and the serpent of the evil tree that caused death was Inanna and Dimuzi...( The original tale) ......


The Torah is what the Jews refer to as the book of the law and nobody is meant to change it, anybody who those is supposed to be killed and the Messiah is coming to make it known to all people, .for he will have a good knowledge of it...He will also end all wars and oppression and men will hammer their swords into ploughshare and learn of war no more..


All the other books gives the struggle of the Jews ...

Is it me or you? Who is stupid here?

So, Ezra who lived when the Jews were on Exile at the end of their 70yrs in Babylon wrote the first 5books, how did he do that?

I ask you again, did Moses exist? Was they a Red Sea crossing? You only talked about the 40 days being a journey of spiritual darkness to enlightenment. Wonderful!!!
What that means is that, the Jews were never in the wilderness.

The Bible says Ezra read from the Torah to refresh the memories of the Jews, especially on the areas they sinned against YHWH, which led them to captivity. It never says Ezra wrote the Torah. The people listened and repented of their sins. And this was done in the Temple in Jerusalem after their return.

Stop talking what is not relevant pls. No one talked about the snake in the Eden of the tree.

Pls answer my questions point by point and stop jumping about.

Why is Enuma Elish only.on the pages of paper today? Who are the people worshipping Anunnaki and all other gods? You?

PastorAIO:
As for other questions such as 'where is nibiru' etc I think that those stories have just as much validity as the stories in the OT. You might as well ask if scientists have ever discovered any signs the Sun stood still. Or discovered where Jesus went when he was taken up into the clouds.

Is that the only question you saw?

Aren't you an advocate of Nibiru? The Nibiru you'd rather have ua believe instead of what Genesis says.

Pls answer my questions.

FOLYKAZE:
Copied. She agrees Christians are hateful killers. Goodday

Oh yeah. The middle of the night is day to the witch doctor. SMH.
Gerarahia. Blood sucking witch doctor.

FOLYKAZE:
Demon worshipper. Didn't your skydaddy asked you sheeple to kill witches?

You are so scared the Christians around you will kill you abi? Hahahahahahaha. Witch doctor pass

Iliveforme:
But I have not been able to make any meaning to anything. All I keep seeing is the end of everything for me and once that happens, everything else fades away and becomes meaningless.

Why was I born? I see no reason for this and it holds no meaning to me at the end of the day. I was never Involved in the process of my birth. My input was not sought for but I still happened. Someone said I am in a cycle and my molecules were once something else before which I do not dispute but even when it was something else before, I was unaware of this and was not involved in how I now became the person I am today or was born into. Everywhere I turn I see the same outcome in life for everyone and all I see are hopeless robots just living so foolishly and ignorantly chasing after what ends up being meaningless to them the day they die.

How can anyone make any interim meaning from a world that has a finish line waiting for them? A finish line I cannot control when or how. I said earlier that I see people die gruesome deaths and it could have been me too. After they die, they are stacked in some mortuary like some log of wood and when I see such things all I see is uselessness and meaninglessness of it all.

I went to a favourite sitting spot of mine in a hotel in my school area and as I walked passed the swimming pool I just had a strong urge to jump in and end it all and I cannot swim. I am aware I stayed rooted to the spot for a fee minutes fighting this thought that only I had.

We hustle but all for what? The other guy talked about focussing on the journey and not the destination. That is like the most stupid thing I have ever heard. Why will I even begin a journey if I did not have a destination in mind? Why will i start what I cannot finish? Why wake up in the morning without considering that night time is coming up later?

If you are handed an invention you had never seen before, you wouldn't know what it is or it's purpose, and the invention itself won't be able to tell you either, only the inventor of that thing can tell you what it is and it's purpose.

That said, here is what a world renown Atheist in his days said;
Unless you assume a god, the question of life's purpose is meaningless.
Bertrand Russell, Atheist.

winner01:
Jesus, who is the focal point of Christianity, stood against religious zealots ready to stone a prostitute. Jesus would not stone a witch and no Christ-ian should too.

You dey mind that demon's possesed wey want convince himself by all means say the demons he worships are indeed the spirits of his forefathers.

FOLYKAZE:
How come you ain't scared of those who killed innocent children accused of been witch? Afterall they were following the instruction of Yahweh

Demon possessed, you'll have a heart attack the way you going.

1Sharon:
Samuel Ekwueme the dark skinned biracial


The darkest biracial with the kinkiest hair I have ever seen

ki ki

Samuel Ekwueme the pathological lier

The lair you are dying to have your hands on? Sorry, he is married.

sonmvayina:
If you have been following my post so far. You would have understood a thing or 2 about my beliefs.
Firstly I have said on this forum that the Bible is not a history text book, neither is it somebody's diary..it is a spiritual manual telling a spiritual story about a spiritual journey..it tells about journeying from spiritual ignorance ( slavery in Egypt) to spiritual enlightenment (the promised Land) it is expected that at age 40 you should have arrived there...
God is not a man or human being,( Numbers23:19)..but the universal conciousness...so all the stories in the Bible are all parables , you are expected to read it and learn the spiritual message it contains....for example God killing Onan for spilling his seed instead of pregnating his brother's wife is about irresponsible pleasure....that is pleasure without responsibility and it leads to death of the spirit...and so on and so forth..

I guess in one of Paul epistle, he said " the letter killeth" it means don't try to interpret the content of the story because it is a lie, but rather learn the message of the spirit that is what leads to life....comprende??

Nibiru on the other hand is Jupiter or Marduk, it is not another planet outside our solar system..

Can you pls answer the questions i raised? Don't vere into what is not part of this.

Did everything which happened until Cyrus became King a flashback? You mean King Nebuchadnezzar never existed as a person?

PastorAIO:
If I may speak on someone else's behalf, I would say that you've missed his point here entirely.

Those stories and myths that you mention have always existed in Hebrew lore. They are contained in the Torah. However the Torah itself, according to Somnaviya, was written by Ezra in the time of King Cyrus.

I would say that the Torah underwent a number of redactions from early in hebrew history up until the time of ezra which was when it was probably set in stone. It drew from Hebrew folklore heavily and there are many instances of references to Hebrew folklore that are not fully narrated in the Torah.

Can you plse answer the questions i raised?

1Sharon:
Samuel Ekwueme the half-ukrainian

Hahahahahahaha. You like biracial men? Didn't you say you were in the Uk? (But Dr Space busted that lie). There are tons of biracials everywhere, pick one. Samuel Ekweme is married.

Get over him or you'll grow old waiting.

Butterflyleo:
Let's not go to that extreme. Maybe he just needs a shoulder to cry on and someone who understands. His thoughts though are going crazy and admittedly worrisome .

Isokay. Like i said, **sidelines**

Ken4Christ:
Too long. If you left JW and didn't find Christ, it makes no difference.

Abi?

1stSonOfLucifer:
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Even jesus won't be patient to read this sh!T

The Lord Jesus wouldn't need to read it as He knew what the man wanted to write before he wrote it.

Butterflyleo:
The thing tire you sef abi? The guy is just blocking everybody. He asked a question and no want answers or even suggestions.

You have to be very careful with a mindset such as this. This is the kind of guy who can take a gun and kill anyone in side, because, after all, life is meaningless.

It scares me to read his mind.

Iliveforme:
Everyone has worries and its not exclusive to anybody. I have just been doing a lot of analysis lately. I am studying to become a mechanical engineer eventually and during my study on material science I began to think about me. I mean really think about me and suddenly other thoughts starting forcing themselves into my head and these days I find it almost impossible to switch off those thoughts.

From the start I have always known that when I die , I rot but when I put that knowledge side by side with who I am and what I have been through and my degree of awareness it just does not make sense anymore. That is where my anxiety I believe came from and then I suddenly took a liking to watching videos about dead people, or how people die and best gore is one of my favourites. Then it got me spooked that these people I am actually watching could be me. How and why would they face everything about life and still die that way and everything about them ends.

I then began to see the uselessness of it all and how it all makes no sense in the long run. Bro I do not care about Christ and what happens to religious folks because I know they are all saying nonsense and clearly deluded. I am more about me .

Isorite.
Cutemadrista come and helep your brother here o. Budaatum una come o.

***I take the sidelines.***

Iliveforme:
What is spirit? I picked up spiritualism from the thread of the other gentleman and you are now telling me what I know will happen to my body. I consider All talk about spirit as nonsense.

Okay. Sorry i said anything.

Iliveforme:
The simulated reality with an absolute end point part got me. I want more but I know I cannot have it because when I die I am gone. Great minds who I look up to have all died and all they ever worked for or investigated stopped making any sense to them the moment they died. This is disturbing.

Since death is the end of everything how then would you understand anything? I don't understand

Pls don't get me wrong as i do not want to add to what pain you are going through already. But, shouldn't you an atheist have less worries or no worries at all since everything ends at death?

For us religious folks who believe in the afterlife, we live knowing we may not make it into the eternal life with Christ as a result of sins in our lives. But as an atheist, non of that worries you, you are free to just live as you like, die and just rot. I don't understand why you worry.