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This boy is taking this thing serious o.

The Lord has His sheep amongst the goats, in due time, they always come. And the goats still amongst the sheep will also find a way out screaming 'there's indeed no God', i have been a Christian for 30yrs, only to discover that religion is fraud.

Go Justin. I pray for His grace to sustain you. Temptation shall come, sometimes you shall fall, some, you shall stand, but all in all. Keep running. The reward is at the end of the line.

ifenes:
You ain’t worth a reply.

And you know why.

Can you pls worship your demons without bringing Christianity into it?

I'm interested in your WhatsApp post and the reference you made to Christianity.

What exactly has Christianity done to you? I see you mention Angel Michael the warrior. Outside Christianity will you know Angel Michael? Or is there something you are not telling? Is this your Angel Michael the same with the Bible's?

Wow, PaganNaija, is that you? Hmmm. But are you people so wretched and backward?

You guys claim to do great things for people, but you and your immediate families are always so poor and mostly the kids turnout invalids, like im.becilse. Why?

Martinez19:
*signs* Africans and chicken brain. Who told you Jesus's existence is an historical fact? Jesus never existed. Scholars are aware of his non-existence. Stop this nonsense.

You the 19 yrs old mentally disordered kid, go for your drugs.

Judas2013:
The average Nigerian is dumb and hopeless. Imagine a Jew worshiping our deities lol. In fact they call us monkeys and our people definitely prove them right.

Your condition has been declared mental disorder, so go for treatment.

ifenes:
The Europeans don’t even talk this much about African religion but the Africans........ still light years behind. I only talk or debate about Jesus on Africa’s biggest social site. It’s all about Jesus for Nigerians, it’s all they know.

But you an African talks soooo much about Enuma Elish and their Fallen Angels. And, you are light years ahead of us fellow Africans abi? Is Anu an igbo god?

Isn't it all about Anunnaki to you? Do you know anything else? Guy, abeg.

Butterflyleo:
They actually take offerings in that secular church of atheism in the OP.

That guy you just responded to has a mental disorder

I believe he does. The Science community needs to work fast on a cure for Freethinking/atheist mental disorder.

Guy, why are you so pained?

You are delirious to actually believe the crap that denying the existence of God makes you intelligent.

Fegelfire:
It's sardonic gossip, mockery - between two parties who completely agree and have no opposition with one another. People do this in social circles in order to silence criticism; it gives the illusion that a debate has taken place and a conclusion has been arrived at, when really all that's happened is back and forth choir preaching to emulate a feeling of group-think with no opposing views given.

In essence, what have you said here?

Is this thread about a debate? Your mouth dey scratch you?

Fegelfire:
Muslim youth love to do this and are a perfect example. There are youtube channels ran by hardcore muslims where they sit around in groups and banter with one another about an atheist they've heard of, or a woman who doesn't wear the veil, laughing mockingly and playing to other group-think exploits, nitpicking on their appearance or personality or the fact that they might have misquoted a verse or something, without actually engaging them in debate or attacking their arguments or point of view head on, creating an illusion of intellectual authority when in reality there is none. Anti-intellectual Tribalism, or "bitchy banter" as I like to call it.

Mr Intelligence, your chimes here are empty, pained load of crab. You have said nothing.

Fegelfire:
God doesn't exist and atheism is not like a religion. If you want atheist rebuttals to a query, ask a goddamned atheist - don't coagulate into your little religious tribal flock.

No there's no God, but you atheist gather in assembly these days like a Church. Singing and clapping and giving sermons, just like the churches do.

Do you take offerings and tithes?

Hahahahahahahahahahahaha.

Guy, treat that depression. It's totally treatable. Or, join a support group to help this your anger. I xan feel the intensity.

Visit reddit, they posts links to support groups there and they also give drug prescription there for those who are so angry to a point of killing others and themselves.

If there was no God, you won't be going about with a grudge.

Gerarahia mehhn.

frank317:
Is this what u tell urself to make u feel good in dwelling in childish magical tales?

Let me list ur life for u as a beliver...

- u believe in a being u have never seen in ur life
- u worship the being, i mean, spend all ur life in ur own imagination
- u stay awake at night to talk to ur strong imagination
- u hustle in life, struggle to make a living but blame all ur success on ur imaginary being
- u wait all ur life for help from ur imaginary saviour, yet life passess away like every other
- u do vigil for ur imaginary friend, yet he does not contact u
- u make him up in ur head and u start to see things and u are happy
- u fast for the imagination in ur head and deny urself of food hoping he will come and help yet the struggele continues
- u start to worship ur fellow man because he somehow claims to be a representation of ur imaginary friend
- u not only worship him, u give him money and ur mind tells u that the person who recieves it is ur imaginary friend
- u live a life of fear, hoping not to fail ur imaginary friend, otherwise he will burn u after u die.
- u hope when u die ur imaginary friend will put u in a house of gold yet u dont want to die despite knowing that heaven waits for u.


Atheists call all these bullsheet and u thing we are depressed? Oga... wake up from ur sleep and smell the coffee

And this your imaginary being manages to comfort me in my low points. Answers my prayers, gives me joy which makes me calm in the face the most tumultuous situations.

He speaks to me and gives me clear directions when i am confused. He gives me hope and peace.

Something you so lack that all you resort to is suicide.

Just take a trip to reddit and see what the sincere and real atheists say about themselves.

You are not only miserable, sad, depressed, you are suicidal. Putting a bold face here doesn't help you.

darkchild64:
Is it just me or are u referring to all atheists

You in particular, atheists in general.

darkchild64:
miserable indeed,and I can.see you living in paradise

Yes ke. I have hope that God will intervene and make all things better in His time.

But, unlike you. No hope but suicide.

CuteMadridista:
OP, do you feel depressed? if yes, how did it start? how did it get to this level?

Yes, tell this guy, he knows very well because he is also depressed. But be sure not to take any advise he gives. The only advise an atheist can give to you in a situation like this is suicide.

No gree o.

darkchild64:
what sort of rubbish is this one

What is the rubish? Atheists are known for misery. They are depressed and contemplate suicide more rather than try to get out of their depressed state.

Go to reddit and read. Even you are very miserable and sad, and i know you are thinking of killing yourself, you just pretending here.

jiggaz:
And so is yours.... Alright no wahala..

Amen.

ameri9ja:
Really? I knew a guy who said he became an atheist because, as a child, his father died durring the Biafran war.
Hopefullandlord, sonoflucifer, seun, and other atheists, you folks should think of copying this church - before you know it you'd be like any other mega church. Lol.

They will soon. They copy what their white mayster-minders do.

stalinho:
No.. i play football

Oh, you are funny. Okay seriously now. What is going on in your life?

What you are experiencing happens to so many people, but when you speak to some people and hear other's and how they overcame, it helps. So, if you don't mind, pls share.

dalaman:
Stop going to blog post and posting rubbish. You said a publication from DSM-IV declared atheism as a.mental illness. Where is the publication? Where is it? You started from Madinaamerica now to thinkathiest. What kind of mental illness are you suffering from? Obgbeni, where is the report from DSM-IV?

You even sound mental the way you fume and accuse people. Calm down.

jiggaz:
Hello dear.. Good afternoon.. Plz are you the same person as this handle --->>> analice?? Sorry to bother you.

Yes bros. I don't know why i can't log on with that handle again. So this is me now.

It is your New Dawn Era.

ameri9ja:
Lol. He is a Jesus impersonator. Go figure, an atheist whose job is Jesus impersonation! He is the founder of the church.

I read about him sometime ago. He granted an interview. Whan asked what motivated him to start an atheist church on Sunday, he said his mother was a devoted Christian who had Cancer and died. He couldn't deal with how a loving father could watch his beloved daughter die of Cancer, so he rejected God and became an atheist.

And, that, he opened the center to give the atheists a sense of unit, togetherness just like the Christian assembly.

A unit to fellowship with each other and share their fears and hopes (if they have any). I just laughed.

ameri9ja:
See an atheist church! See, atheists crave church!!!
I always said there is a component to hope and faith that can only be supplied by a belief in God and that makes it easier for goals and dreams to come true!

Lalasticlala
Seun

Is that guy there with the beard their Jesus? HahahahHahahaaha. Laf ooiooo.

stalinho:
[color=#770077][/color][b][/b] everyday that breaks,, i keep losing the will to live.. life hasn't been fair at all.. am getting feed up. every single minute of every hour..

Are you an atheist?

CuteMadridista:
What

Citation needed

Is Peter, James and John not Eye witnesses to what Jesus said and did?

Rosskii:
Start, let's see.

Fine. I will answer your questions then i will ask mine. Ready?
Okay.

Q1: Jesus or Yahshua is the Word of God. With Him and through Him the entire world was created on stands upon. John 1:1-4.

Q2: Yes He is a historical Figure. You can go here to read. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Josephus_on_Jesus#Testimonium_Flavianum

Posting everything here will be spamming the thread.

Q3: The Gospels were written by men who went about with Jesus. Eye witnesses of everything he said and did.

Q4: They were written in Greek because, that was the Language of the Masters then. The Langauge of Commerce. The Lingua Franca. The Roman Empire
which ruled the world then was Greek speaking hence, they imposed their language on all their subjects.

Q:5: They had a Pro Roman Perspective because, Rome ruled them at the time. Everything gets done as the Master purposes.

Q6: That is your misunderstanding, Christianity was not Headquartered in Rome. It was Headquartered in Jerusalem, until the destruction of Jerusalem by Titus in 70 AD. The Roman Catholic Church which is centered in Rome, is not the center of Christianity as it does not uphold the tenets of the faith. It actually opposes and tries to change the laws stipulated by the faith.

Q7: Who really were the Flavian Family of Italy and in your opinion why do you think they invented or tried to invent Jesus?

So, based on the video, i will like you to prove to me that the flavians invented Jesus. Meaning Jesus never existed.

In other to do this, you must obliterate all the historical evidences of Jesus or Yahshua.

You must prove that Josephus's records are invalid hence not acceptable by you and why.

Get along with it.

postmann:
Though your diction is barely comprehensible, i seem to get your point.

Firstly, you believe Igbo is used as a term to describe the Igbos or Ibos of the south east, while Ibo is used to describe according to you the "semi illegitimate igbo speakers" from the south south.

My friend, you're poorly read and you obviously failed your Nigeria people's and culture GST course, that is if you made it to tertiary education.

The white man has a problem with the sound "gb" . They'd rather pronounced the G and B independently in modern times , eg Drogba. Ibo is the anglicized form of Igbo. The former may stick more among south south Igbos due to having non non-igbo neighbours around them which conditioned their later generation to speak the English language more.

Having said that, calling the igbos of the south south "semi illegitimate igbo speakers " exposed you as a naive, ill-exposed ignoramus. You're a victim of political manipulation and a shameless newt who has no knowledge of the geographical stretch of the igbo boundaries. Neither are you abreast with her history.

You should know that Onitcha, Obosi, Oguta etc are of the same Igbo stock as Delta Igbos with a common history / ancestry. But in your myopia, the geopolitical boundaries created by the north to divide our people became the benchmark for your twisted analysis of "legitimate and semi illegitimate Igbos.

You're a disgrace to our collective political and cultural integration and awareness.

Cbai this man. You don't correct someone by trashing them. You'd loose them completely. Phew!

CuteMadridista:
I notice since you've learnt how to quote in segments you quote in segments anyhow just to say things because you fell like you should

We are working on an assumption here and you seem to be dragging the discussion back towards what we've moved over for the sake of discussion. the assumption is that a god exists! so I see no sense in most of what you typed up there. Not every discussion an atheist does here are trying to assert your imaginary friend does not exist. one can still move past that charitably at times to discuss some more and that's what I and (presumably) Kay17 are doing here

Like I said, fundamentally the statement is highly flawed and you've not in anyway countered that at all but rather tried to drown the point with inanities, red herrings and irrelevant statements

Fundamentally, YOU CAN'T CREATE SOMETHING FOR THAT THING! maybe your fellow Christians can explain how true that statement in all caps is cuz its proving too hard for you to understand. funny enough, many parts of the verbose you typed up there proves my point!
Nobody asked to be created, there was NO need from us for us to be created so if we were created it couldn't have been for us! and saying he created us for us is akin to me saying I built an orphanage for orphanage sake

You can't bring something into existence for its sake, its fundamentally nonsensical and no amount of biblical titanic you throw at me can remove the flaw as its akin to saying "Four sided triangle", Fundamental flaw is not something you resolve by quoting Bible and screaming how I'll go to hell or face your god

With you, there will be no end, so, Ok.

I didn't even bother to read.

budaatum:
So, in effect, you choose to do something for the benefit of others, and in effect, "make the world less bad than if you did nothing" and thereby, in your opinion, your life is not purposeless and meaningless.

I choose? No i didn't. It was chosen for me by my Master and as a servant i accepted.

And, yes, my life is not purposeless and meaningless, because i'm serving humanity. Giving up my own life for theirs. It doesn't seem like a purpose to you right?

budaatum:
I guess you missed the following.

There is one important difference between human beings and trees and birds. Birds and trees don't choose a purpose while human beings can. Some humans choose to make the world less bad than if they did nothing, whilst some choose to make the world much worse than it would have been if they actually ate, slept and eventually just died.

You are going back and forth contradicting yourself sir. The Op asked to know the meaning/purpose of life, but you vehemently said, NONE. LIFE HAS NOT MEANING/PURPOSE.

I asked you what you live for, you said nothing. Why then do you strive to live by doing you do? You said, 'Just to live and die'. When you die, you become manure and that's it.

Now, here you are talking about humans choosing to make the world a better place or not. The questions remains, WHY? To that, you will still say 'just to live'

I guess you don't read what you type. If you just live to die, then your life has no purpose or meaning.

[quote author=budaatum post=66215472]Might your issues be because you are too busy listening to yourself without hearing what others say? Or perhaps you are just wired to hear the word atheist and see demons? Or you just don't take your own advise and "read"? Or maybe you just are too busy that you cannot see any value in those who don't worship your god? Or do you just plain have issues with people choosing goals for themselves? Or.....?

Maybe you should go back from the beginning of this thread and read your own posts then maybe you'll understand it's you who have been stuck in a rigmarole.

Let me say it again, you say life has no meaning. I asked, if life has no meaning, WHY then do you even bother to set out goals for yourself? The atheists in Reddit are better atheiats if you ask me. They know or are persuaded that life has no meaning, so why strive? Many of them are killing themselves, yet some are harbouring suicidal thoughts. That to me is someone who knows life has no meaning.

You buda can not insist life has no meaning, yet strive to stay healthy by medicating yourself when sick, eating when hungry, resting when tired, having sex and having kids.

A guy in reddit said, he will never have kids, it's useless to bring a child into this meaningless life. This is where i was going. If life has no meaning, then don't live it. Kill yourself. You have the right to, it's your life, you gave it to yourself, you owe no man or God explanation.

budaatum:
Do tell, when Omo Basoorun goes all the way up to the heavens to bring url=https://www.nairaland.com/4252417/atheistic-reply-emusmithy-thread/1#63697604]light[/url] to the people in the Orolu Kingdom on earth as described

This Omo Basoorun is a double standard Omo. He speaks from both sides of the mouth. because no true Omo Basoorun can declare 'gods does not exist'.

budaatum:
Is a person who brings light to others "meaningless" "purposeless" and "useless", as you've repeatedly insisted, Emmanystone? Or, are you just a [url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+13%3A+22-30&version=RSV]teeth gnashers[/url] who sees nothing wrong in thanking your very own god that you are not like the "[url=https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Luke+18%3A9-14&version=RSV]tax collector[/url]" over there?

Omo Basoorun, i am not the one who said you are meaningless o. I am just agreeing with you. You said your life has no meaning nah. You just do all to live and die. No real Omo Basoorun can live a meaningless life or see life as meaningless. May your ancestors not shake their fist at you in anger.

It's so disheartening to see an Omo Basoorun declare what you declare in this forum. Out of respect for what your people (the Orolu) stand for, i would have said, i am disappointed in you. But, i hold my peace.

See what the whiteman has done to you. Yet you'd scream at me accusing me of accepting the God of the whiteman rejecting mine. You have not only rejected yours, you deny it's own existence. It's a shame.

***Leaves thread***.

CuteMadridista:
I notice since you've learnt how to quote in segments you quote in segments anyhow just to say things because you fell like you should

Is there any segment i quoted but didn't respond to what you said?

CuteMadridista:
We are working on an assumption here and you seem to be dragging the discussion back towards what we've moved over for the sake of discussion. the assumption is that a god exists! so I see no sense in most of what you typed up there

If you see no reason for it, then don't type it. because if you type something, i shd respond to it.

CuteMadridista:
Not every discussion an atheist does here are trying to assert your imaginary friend does not exist. one can still move past that charitably at times to discuss some more and that's what I and (presumably) Kay17 are doing here

You must be a very acute imaginative person as this imaginary friend has got so stuck in your imagunation more than it does to mine. Kay17 has said nothing so far.

Well, i'm yet to see what you have to say that is not bordered on your imaginary friend.

CuteMadridista:
Like I said, fundamentally the statement is highly flawed and you've not in anyway countered that at all but rather tried to drown the point with inanities, red herrings and irrelevant statements

To you. Have not said you expect me to say hence, my statement is flawed. Thanks goodness, you don't validate what i do or say.

CuteMadridista:
Fundamentally, YOU CAN'T CREATE SOMETHING FOR THAT THING! maybe your fellow Christians can explain how true that statement in all caps is cuz its proving too hard for you to understand. funny enough, many parts of the verbose you typed up there proves my point!

It it vebose to you becos, you'd rather see it from an atheist perapective.
Okay,. Hopefullandlord, this theead is about life's meaning. And Kay17 drew us towards this direction. Now wr are at WHY GOD CREATED US, AND IF WE ARE USEFUL TO GOD. I SAY, God created humans to serve other humans, you said my statement is flawed. Maybe you wat it to read, 'God needs humans so He created them'.

Now, let's work with your supposition.
Of what use will you say is humans to God?

CuteMadridista:
You can't bring something into existence for its sake, its fundamentally nonsensical and no amount of biblical titanic you throw at me can remove the flaw as its akin to saying "Four sided triangle", Fundamental flaw is not something you resolve by quoting Bible and screaming how I'll go to hell or face your god

Do you even read what i type? Can you for once stop being compulsively dishonest? Did i explain what i meant by 'God created us for us' or you didn't see it?
Did you see it abd pretend you didn't or you are just bing yourself?

Guy, if you are useful to God, tell me how you are.

CuteMadridista:
[quote author=CuteMadridista post=66211982]I notice since you've learnt how to quote in segments you quote in segments anyhow just to say things because you fell like you should

Is there any segment i quoted but didn't respond to what you said?

CuteMadridista:
We are working on an assumption here and you seem to be dragging the discussion back towards what we've moved over for the sake of discussion. the assumption is that a god exists! so I see no sense in most of what you typed up there

If you see no reason for it, then don't type it. because if you type something, i shd respond to it.

CuteMadridista:
Not every discussion an atheist does here are trying to assert your imaginary friend does not exist. one can still move past that charitably at times to discuss some more and that's what I and (presumably) Kay17 are doing here

You must be a very acute imaginative person as this imaginary friend has got so stuck in your imagunation more than it does to mine. Kay17 has said nothing so far.

Well, i'm yet to see what you have to say that is not bordered on your imaginary friend.

CuteMadridista:
Like I said, fundamentally the statement is highly flawed and you've not in anyway countered that at all but rather tried to drown the point with inanities, red herrings and irrelevant statements

To you. Have not said you expect me to say hence, my statement is flawed. Thanks goodness, you don't validate what i do or say.

CuteMadridista:
Fundamentally, YOU CAN'T CREATE SOMETHING FOR THAT THING! maybe your fellow Christians can explain how true that statement in all caps is cuz its proving too hard for you to understand. funny enough, many parts of the verbose you typed up there proves my point!

It it vebose to you becos, you'd rather see it from an atheist perapective.
Okay,. Hopefullandlord, this theead is about life's meaning. And Kay17 drew us towards this direction. Now wr are at WHY GOD CREATED US, AND IF WE ARE USEFUL TO GOD. I SAY, God created humans to serve other humans, you said my statement is flawed. Maybe you wat it to read, 'God needs humans so He created them'.

Now, let's work with your supposition.
Of what use will you say is humans to God?

CuteMadridista:
You can't bring something into existence for its sake, its fundamentally nonsensical and no amount of biblical titanic you throw at me can remove the flaw as its akin to saying "Four sided triangle", Fundamental flaw is not something you resolve by quoting Bible and screaming how I'll go to hell or face your god

Do you even read what i type? Can you for once stop being compulsively dishonest? Did i explain what i meant by 'God created us for us' or you didn't see it?
Did you see it abd pretend you didn't or you are just bing yourself?

Guy, if you are useful to God, tell me how you are.

paxonel:
get lost

Yimu. Small pikin wey still dey chop for him mama pot want follow adults talk. If no be say na something, i for slap your dirty mouth. Smelling armpits.

CuteMadridista:
There's a fundamental flaw with this reasoning that keeps escaping you, you're just circularly reasoning so the meaningless of that statement escapes you

I think the reverse is the case here. You want to be right in your ungodly stance so much it's affecting your rationality. By all means you want me to be convinced you are right. But you chose to be what you are and i chose to be who i am.

CuteMadridista:
For me to do something for something that "other something" must be existing first or I think it would exist in the future or it was existing in another form

The bolded is where the issue lies. Did i choose to do the something?

CuteMadridista:
If I open an orphanage, then I'm doing it for the lost children and the orphans who were existing BEFORE I decided to open the orphanage for their sake OR I feel there's gonna be some orphans in the future

That will be because you saw a need to open an orphanage without being told to do so won't it be?

Did you read me saying i dropped off my own life to live for the orphans and the elderly because i see the need to?

BTW, caring for orphans is a calling/ministry of compassion. Why will you an atheist who sees no meaning in life find the life of the orphans meaningful to save? Where will the compassion come from when your own life means less than an existence of a flower to you?

CuteMadridista:
What would've happened to the children had I not opened the orphanage? they would've been wandering the streets affected by the elements and hunger while being in danger from fellow humans so I opened the orphanage for THEM

That will be if i saw the need without be told to leave all and do it. U don't see your short-circuted views do you?

CuteMadridista:
Orphanages exist BECAUSE orphans exist! if there were no orphans, orphanages would not only be meaningless but useless!!

That's right. That is why God endue certain of His flock with compassionate hearts to care for these ones regarless of what it will cause them.

CuteMadridista:
Now back to why I said the absurdity of your statement "He created us for us" keeps escaping you

What if he didn't create us? would that for a second feel left out? NO! Would we complain about his not creating us? no!

Well, that is His sole prerogative. He has the absolute right to decide who to create and what He would create you to be.
Good News Translation Isaiah 45:9-10
Does a clay pot dare argue with its maker, a pot that is like all the others?

Does the clay ask the potter what he is doing?

Does the pot complain that its maker has no skill? Do we dare say to our parents, “Why did you make me like this?”

Good News Translation Isaiah 29:16
They turn everything upside down. Which is more important, the potter or the clay? Can something you have made say, “You didn't make me”? Or can it say, “You don't know what you are doing”?

Good News Translation Romans 9:21
But who are you, my friend, to talk back to God? A clay pot does not ask the man who made it, “Why did you make me like this?”

After all, the man who makes the pots has the right to use the clay as he wishes, and to make two pots from the same lump of clay, one for special occasions and the other for ordinary use.

CuteMadridista:
We weren't existing since forever and none of us begged any entity to create us, if we did and he created us then he would've been "Creating Us for Us" You can't give something existence just for it!

You seem to be running in circles

You are the one running in circles but do not realize it. God does not exists but you can't seem to let it lie. He is wicked, He is a slaver, He is this, He is that.
In another story, you don't know if He exists or not. In another story, He may exist, but He definietly did not create the Universe. When asked how the universe came to be, you'd retort, 'I don't know'. Hahahahahaha

You are nothing but clay in His hands, and it is his prerequisite whether or not to create you. And creating you, He did. What can you now do about it?

Remember to tell your folks to bury you with stones when you die so that you can aim them at His face when you meet Him, because, meeting Him, you will. Insulting Him will stop it.