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PastorAIO:
It is the theory that I find most reasonable. It happened over the course of centuries. roughly from about 1300bce to 800 bce.

At the same time the Jews conquered Canaan or another time?

Who were their ancestors and from when did they become a Nation?

And, who were these Jews to be so powerful to overthrow the Canaanites, the Amalekites, the Hittites, the Jebusites, the Gitites, the Amorites. the Kenites, the Kenizzites, the Kadmonites, tbe Perrizites, the Raphims, Girgashites, and the almighty Jericho?

Butterflyleo:
Woah

His moniker ends with 317 but you made him less of a man by ending it with 316.

You no well o

But seriously the guy is simply a kid. Teenagers act and talk better than he does. He beats his chest on nairaland as he shouts God does not exist and calls those who believe in God mentally unstable and stupid but he forgets he is married to one of those mentally unstable and stupid people as his wife is a Christian.

His wife is a Christian whom he cannot dare stand in front of and say she is mentally unstable and stupid for believing in the existence of God but he now foolishly comes on nairaland to shout everywhere when one small Christian girl has turned him to the real definition of mumu in his bedroom.

He always dares Yahweh and cannot date his wife. I guess Yahweh has answered his dare by making him fall in love with a Christian girl and not an atheist girl to show how foolish he has been all this while and this little Christian girl has got his mumu switch on lock down.

You seriously believe a daughter of YHWH will marry a YHWH hater?
You take this Frank 316 too seriously.

CuteMadridista:
Funniest part is how she came to the conclusion that I must be in my 40s.

She saw a post I made about 2 years ago saying I've been supporting Madrid for "Close to" 20 years and concluded it must be 22 now by not assimilating what "Close to" means

Then concluded I must've been in my 20s before I started supporting Madrid so I'm in my 40s because, you know, I might be arrested for supporting a football club before 18

not surprising since she's not the sharpest tool in the shed anyways

And can you ask Frank how marriage came into it? Are guys this desperate? (Well, in this aspect not you).

Why does your Chum think everyone must be defined by marriage? I will marry very soon, but, if i am a failure, i'll still be one. If i am focused, i'll still be that. The man won't change anything in me.

Pls tell your best buddy that marriage is turn by turn and not everyone who marries stay married or happy.

Him for instance, he just married, if he were happy, he won't be ignoring his new bride by holding his phone to his face 24/7, fighting e-wars.

I expected a newly married, romance charged guy, to be off the internet for sometime enjoy the company of his spouse.

Pls advise him to give his wife a little of his time. Or, did he marry a woman he can not stand to look at her face?

Butterflyleo:
I remember saying it that time that I am sure the wife must have married him out of pity because all I could see was immaturity in him and even after marriage he is still very immature.

I am sure his wife will be tongue lashing him in annoyance over his childish ways daily and he will be like "yes darling, sorry darling, it won't happen again darling"

Wife: Go and buy me salt frank!
Frank: Yes darling, I will run there and back.

Wife: Make sure you wash the dishes before I return from my meeting

Frank: don't worry, you know I will do anything for you. They will be shining by the time you return. I will also wash all the clothes, iron them and cook dinner. What would you like to eat when you return dear?

Dem turn the guy to akamu at home but on nairaland he feels he is a lion.

When people boast and say to me 'I'm married, you are single', i say to them, 'Show me your spouse'. This is because, so many marry to escape the society, hence they end up getting married to the Ring, but come up with every reason to run away from the company of their spouse.

Getting married is not the problem, staying married is.

Haven followed Frank in this forum for years, and getting to get into his mind (atheism aside), trust me with everything in you, i will not accept to marry him if I was 50yrs old and he comes with a 12 bedroom mansion and a Billion Naira as an offer.

This is my reason.

I am a Christian, (a serious minded one at that). For this reason, i can't keep a side guy with whom i will argument Frank with. You know, like Rob Peter to pay Paul?

If i were an atheists chic without the sense of right and wrong, i'd gladly take his Ring and His money, but make him masturbate every night in front of a mirror with a magazine picture of a prostitute, because, by the time i get back home, i'd have been saturated every day.

After all, there won't be any word like 'Adultery' and he won't have the grounds to divorce me for doing that.

But, since i am indebted to Christ first before the man I marry, i can not afford to misbehave, So i'd rather die single and childless than marry the likes of Frank316.

Ranchhoddas:
Still on my case I see.
Please get a life.

Bros winners01, follow him up and see how he laid low before pretending he was free from demons.

PastorAIO:
I have no reason to disbelief the man. Plus, his rabbi friend is not the only rabbi that will affirm that.

Not only will rabbis say it never happened but historians too will agree with them. Especially the top Jewish historians.

The Egyptians would were meticulous record keepers never made a single mention of the event either.

The Jews were Canaanites who overthrew their ruling class and created an anarchist society. Out of this a new religion slowly emerged out of the old religions of the canaanites. But it was a long and protracted process.

@the bolded, at what point in history did this happen? I mean the Jews overthrowing the Canaanite ruling class?

PastorAIO:
Basic reasoning ability would tell you that the point o was making was that your manner of reasoning ( that Jews would know best, better than even yourself) does not favour your stance.
Just the simple fact that Jewish rabbis reject your jesus as the messiah should have been enough to shut your mouth on the line of thinking. But you lacked the capacity to realise that you were arguing against yourself.

Oh, this pastor has no idea what he is talking about.
If only you knew that the Jews' temporal rejection of their Messiah is not of their making. You read and quote from the Scriptures but only when you dishonestly know that taking the verse out of context will project your twisted intent.

Now, here is what the Scriptures says about the Jews rejecting their messiah for now; I said 'for now', because, when this dispensation closes, they'll come to the realization of who Christ truly is and shall embrace Him.

GNT 11:7-12
What then? The people of Israel did not find what they were looking for. It was only the small group that God chose who found it; the rest grew deaf to God's call.

As the scripture says, “God made their minds and hearts dull; to this very day they cannot see or hear.”

And David says, “May they be caught and trapped at their feasts; may they fall, may they be punished!

May their eyes be blinded so that they cannot see; and make them bend under their troubles at all times.” I ask, then: When the Jews stumbled, did they fall to their ruin?

By no means! Because they sinned, salvation has come to the Gentiles, to make the Jews jealous of them.

[The sin of the Jews brought rich blessings to the world, and their spiritual poverty brought rich blessings to the Gentiles]

Then, how much greater the blessings will be when the complete number of Jews is included!

The Jews rejection of their Messiah opened a door for us Gentiles to accept Jesus. This is the Church Age, when this despensation closes with the rapture, all the Jews shall turn to their Messiah.

Romans 11:13-22
[b]I am speaking now to you Gentiles: As long as I am an apostle to the Gentiles, I will take pride in my work.

Perhaps I can make the people of my own race jealous, and so be able to save some of them.

For when they were rejected, all other people were changed from God's enemies into his friends.

What will it be, then, when they are accepted? It will be life for the dead!

If the first piece of bread is given to God, then the whole loaf is his also; and if the roots of a tree are offered to God, the branches are his also.

Some of the branches of the cultivated olive tree have been broken off, and a branch of a wild olive tree has been joined to it.

You Gentiles are like that wild olive tree, and now you share the strong spiritual life of the Jews.

So then, you must not despise those who were broken off like branches.

How can you be proud? You are just a branch; you don't support the roots—the roots support you.

But you will say, “Yes, but the branches were broken off to make room for me.” That is true.

They were broken off because they did not believe, while you remain in place because you do believe. But do not be proud of it; instead, be afraid.

God did not spare the Jews, who are like natural branches; do you think he will spare you? Here we see how kind and how severe God is.

He is severe toward those who have fallen, but kind to you—if you continue in his kindness. But if you do not, you too will be broken off.[/b]

Can you see why the Jews don't believe in Jesus yet?

I'm waiting for your twisted mind to come up with another twisted and warped views.

Butterflyleo:
Don't mind that very big ode. Here he is giving attention to nairaland religion section 24/7 despite claiming to have a new wife at home. Its either the wife no even send am or Yahweh is even more real than his wife which is why he prefers spending more time with Yahweh despite claiming he does not exist

An outpouring of frustration. Are you sure a character like that can marry a woman? He is so petty. Wow.

The depression is real.

Just keep watching the News. The UK will be turned to a refuse dump soon.

If they reject the Prince of peace and opened their door for Barabas. They shd wait a little while.

frank317:
Yes na... liver no gree me ask her anything. U want her to divorce me so that i will be single like emmanystone ? Mbanu.

Yesooo na hear i get mouth or is ur omnipresence God not here?

I figure out he will be reading this posts sha?

I was tamed by a love. Something emanny cannot do to any man. Will u not like emmany to tame her own man? No be by prayer oooo

Chai. Who marry this child abeg.

The demon inside of you is jealous of my Peace and Joy? Hahahahahahahahaha.

I don waka pass you Frank. Married men give attention to their wives.

***Ignoremodactivated***

frank317:
Go marry!

Butterflylion said u cannot tame a man

Didn't you say you were not depressed? Happy people don't react like you do.

sonmvayina:
God is the totality of the consciousness of the universe....
The stories are allegorical...

Biko Machi onu gi.

Do you even know what allegory means?

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For you to quote this and mention me means you believe what he said right?

So you believe a Jewish Rabbi will tell a Gentile that the Nation of Israel was never captives in Egypt at point in time, and there was never a Red Sea Crossing? The 40yrs wandering in the Wilderness never happened. You believe a Moses never lived as a human? Meaning there was no Wars which led to the Conquest of Canaan?

Are you this desperate?

sonmvayina:
I

Yes that is what I mean...because the people who it was written for and the people that wrote it says it is a spiritual journey not a literal one..

The rabbi at Golders green synagogue in London told me, when I was there...we lived on the same street..

You mean a Jewish Rabbi told you that the 40 years Journey of the Israelites was an allegorical journey? In other words, the Israelites were never in Egypt?

Wow. A Jew told a gentile that Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Joseph, Moses were made up to explain a spiritual Journey.

Did you also ask him if the War with the Amalekites and the Conquest of Canaan was also Allegorical?

Now, i'm getting interested in this.

Tell me more, from when did the Nation of Israel became a real physical Nation and who were the first fathers, since the Rabbi said, the ones written in the Bible were allegorical?

frank317:
How old are u... another year has goneooo no husband

E pain am.

But what will the unbeliever preach?

winner01:
That is really serious..

Why are you surprised? The guy is from Bini. It's hard to come from Bini and not be possessed with a demon. And demons possessed children of Witch Doctors are the Nairaland atheists.

Demons hate Jesus, that's why their problem is never with Muhammed, or Brahma, but Jesus and YHWH.

CuteMadridista:
"Close to 20 years".. How do you mean "Old man"? you have no idea what age I started. I could've started at age 5 or age 30 for all you know

Hahahahahahahaha. Yeah right. Biko i no get your time this evening. I tire.

CuteMadridista:
Lmao! I'm loving this

I don't really care because i never read Capslocked. Never. Even if it were the last post, i'd rather just sleep off.

Butterflyleo:
It was easy to decipher. His brain is easy to decode even when he tried to deliberately mask it with not just capital letters but also in red as a deliberate throw off. He said something that exposed him somewhere and then said something else somewhee else that buttressed my suspicion and I deliberately set the bait by saying he is capslocked so as to check the response times and the missing times of the other monikers and that sealed it for me.

The timing of the responses and last seen was like a wow moment

Cutemadridista and capslocked are one and the same.

Lol. Hopefullandlord happens to be a man in his 40s going by what he said. He had been a fan of a club for 20 yes back in 2016

winner01:
Really? Ranchhoddas?

Oh bros, you have been away for sometime now. He is a flull blown YHWH hater now.

That moniker has been quiet for sometime now, maybe serving a ban. Just wait until he returns. Another of his moniker is TomHagens. Watch out for that one too.

winner01:
Commonsense and faith? You might have made up your mind

He has. He now hates God fiercely.

hopefulLandlord:
I think its mostly because I've been a fan of the club for close to 20 years unlike the 2009 kind of fans we have now

I've seen many players come and go over the years and I'm usually impressed by other players

too many times Ronaldo just pops up and scores
scores 2 goals and disappear for the rest of the match but all the headlines on websites and newspapers would praise him

most people just swallow goals and its become something like Real Madrid= Ronaldo and 10 other players

don't get me wrong though, goals are very important but as someone who's been watching more than 95% of real Madrid matches for close to two decades, goals aren't everything

I've learnt to filter the noise brought about by goals and focus on those that play well for close to 90 minutes, those are the guys I like

Pepe, Carvajal, Modrić, Marcelo, Navas and now Casemiro are higher than Ronaldo on my list

hopefully Ronaldo leaves us and Bale becomes the main man

You have been a fan of Real Madrid for 20yrs? So you no be small pikin?

Butterflyleo come see o. Hopefullandlord na old man.

Ranchhoddas:
You have a greater chance of becoming Muslim than I becoming atheist. Na you dash me atheist abi?

When i called this boy an atheist, he denied being one. This was 2016, today 2018 he is full fleshed God hating atheist. I saw it coming.

superhumanist:
I prayed to God for there to be a new rule that banned people for foolishness on nairaland.

Unfortunately, there is no God and that is why you are still here

You of people, shd be the least to call anyone foolish.

CuteMadridista:
It was fun while it lasted though.

I'm now thinking which one I should deactivate, CAPSLOCKED or HopefulLandlord. I think I'll keep both and pretend the bust never happened

It was fun while it lasted? So you are capslicked for real?

You have many alt. but make it seem like having an alternate is a crime.

Butterflyleo:
My observation is pin point accurate and he knows it.

Emmanystone I now know your "atheist boyfriend" cutemadridista is also capslocked

Noooooooo. Youdonminit!!!, Hopefullandlord is Capslocked?

I wouldn't have guessed because i have never paused for once to read his post.

But, how do you know?

PastorAIO:
I think the main point where you do not get what I am saying and subsequently everything goes over your head is around this issue of a singular author of the Torah.

I will repeat my point very slowly:

The Torah came to it's present form over centuries of redaction and additions.

If that is the case, it validates the claims that Ezra wrote it?

PastorAIO:
I don't personally know who wrote about the Book of Wars in the Torah, but I do know that it is in the Torah and I also know that Moses couldn't have written the Torah because the Torah tells us about Moses' death.

You'll find mention of the Book of Wars in Numbers.
aka Bamidbar

Wikipedia and others sources says the Book of Wars was a record of the wars fought by the Jews in Canaan, just as i said. What does these tell us? The man who wrote the First Five books also wrote that book.

Moses wrote those books if he didn't you won't be the one to say otherwise, the Jews will be.

PastorAIO:
Since ezra qualifies as a 'who' then Whoever includes him too so no need to poo in your pants. Nobody is shifting any grounds. I repeat, I believe that the Torah was redacted numerous times. I also feel that Josiah's 'discovery' contributed to the Torah and it may well be Ezra who finalized the version we have today.

A discussion in my opinion should be to learn not to win or be the one to have the last word. That said, pls can we try be objective in our thoughts here?

First seta of questions i have been trying to put forward are;
Who was Ezra?
When did he live?
What do you mean he wrote the Torah?
Is it the same with the case of Catholicism putting together the Bible books and claiming they wrote it?

Can a man [Ezra] who had died before the last book of the Old Testament (Malachi)was written said to havs been the one who wrote it?

This is really not sensible if you ask me. The Bible (Torah) is a collection of books (Prophesies mostly) written by different prophets, accounts of the Kings, Shepherds, and laymen. All these men lived in different times. If you insist because Ezra is a 'Who' hence; qualifies as the writer of the Old Testament, then Ezra must be immortal. That will also mean, all the prophets never lived or lived only in Ezra's mind.

PastorAIO:
Ezra could have had a hand in the Torah as it has come down to us because he was a very prominent figure in Jewish religion. It is believed by Jews that Ezra was second to no one except Moses amongst the prophets. He is more respected than Elijah Isaiah etc etc etc..

Well, Sources says otherwise as he was said to be a scribe and only a priest. His father was the last priest who served in the Temple in Jerusalem before the exile to Babylon.

Being a scribe also, he recorded events which took place around him during the last phase of their exile in Babylon and their early return to Jerusalem. God never revealed the future to him as He did with the prophets. If that happened pls post it.

PastorAIO:
Ezra made many amendments to the Jewish religion and those amendments and redactions can be seen clearly where there seem to be contradictions in the letter and the spirit of the Torah. Ezra had a very racist streak and I feel that he injected that into the Torah.

The bolded is where the issue lies. Your feelings. Our feelings ahould not count here. What does the records say?

Ezra was a Jew who knew the import of what it meant to add or take away from the Law,hence he wouldn't do what you feel it he did. He was a priests but being in exile, his prietly duties were suspended what he did was act as scribe who recorded events. He was in Babylon like Ezekiel, Hagai, Zacharia, and others. They were prophets who YHWH spoke to, he never could influence what Ezekiel saw and wrote by his scribe.

PastorAIO:
The reason that I brought up the Book of Wars is to show you that the Torah had other books it was sourced from and made reference to. Also folk songs and general Hebrew Lore was source material for the torah. t and those wars continued after Moses died.

If Moses didn't write the Torah, i hope you know that you and i will not come close to know it? The Jews will be in that position to know. They wont hold Moses with the kind of reverence they do.

No Nation in the Hisyory of men keeps records by mouth to mouth preservation like the Jews. Their God told them to tell their children and have their Children tell their own Children about their origin, till His promises for them are fulfilled.

And if we are rational we will see that the records of the wars were put separately, and made reference to by the same person who separated them.

[quote author=PastorAIO post=66438589
Furthermore the reference to the Book of Wars indicates that Moses could not have written the Torah since as you say it was about the wars of canaanite conques[/quote]Even if the writrer decided to record the events of the Wars separately? If you are a careful observer you'd see that, When YHWH informed Moses about his death, he told Moses to take Joshua along to the mountain where he died and after Moses, Joshua took over from where Moses left off.

I will end this on this note: If Moses didn't write the 5 Books of the Torah, the Jews will be in a better position to know and won't place Moses where they place him.

Shalom.

Ezra made many amendments to the Jewish religion and those amendments and redactions can be seen clearly where there seem to be contradictions in the letter and the spirit of the Torah. Ezra had a very racist streak and I feel that he injected that into the Torah.

The reason that I brought up the Book of Wars is to show you that the Torah had other books it was sourced from and made reference to. Also folk songs and general Hebrew Lore was source material for the torah. Furthermore the reference to the Book of Wars indicates that Moses could not have written the Torah since as you say it was about the wars of canaanite conquest and those wars continued after Moses died.[/quote]

PastorAIO:
I don't personally know who wrote about the Book of Wars in the Torah, but I do know that it is in the Torah and I also know that Moses couldn't have written the Torah because the Torah tells us about Moses' death.

You'll find mention of the Book of Wars in Numbers.
aka Bamidbar

Wikipedia and others sources says the Book of Wars was a record of the wars fought by the Jews in Canaan, just as i said. What does these tell us? The man who wrote the First Five books also wrote that book.

Moses wrote those books if he didn't you won't be the one to say otherwise, the Jews will be.

PastorAIO:
Since ezra qualifies as a 'who' then Whoever includes him too so no need to poo in your pants. Nobody is shifting any grounds. I repeat, I believe that the Torah was redacted numerous times. I also feel that Josiah's 'discovery' contributed to the Torah and it may well be Ezra who finalized the version we have today.

A discussion in my opinion should be to learn not to win or be the one to have the last word. That said, pls can we try be objective in our thoughts here?

First seta of questions i have been trying to put forward are;
Who was Ezra?
When did he live?
What do you mean he wrote the Torah?
Is it the same with the case of Catholicism putting together the Bible books and claiming they wrote it?

Can a man [Ezra] who had died before the last book of the Old Testament (Malachi)was written said to havs been the one who wrote it?

This is really not sensible if you ask me. The Bible (Torah) is a collection of books (Prophesies mostly) written by different prophets, accounts of the Kings, Shepherds, and laymen. All these men lived in different times. If you insist because Ezra is a 'Who' hence; qualifies as the writer of the Old Testament, then Ezra must be immortal. That will also mean, all the prophets never lived or lived only in Ezra's mind.

PastorAIO:
Ezra could have had a hand in the Torah as it has come down to us because he was a very prominent figure in Jewish religion. It is believed by Jews that Ezra was second to no one except Moses amongst the prophets. He is more respected than Elijah Isaiah etc etc etc..

Well, Sources says otherwise as he was said to be a scribe and only a priest. His father was the last priest wbo served in the Temple in Jwrusalem before the exile to Babylon.

Being a scribe also, he recorded events which took place around him. God never revealed the future to him as He did with prophets. If that happened pls post it.



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jacyhelen:
Nigeria christain version of Mentality

Just don't come crying out asking for the meaning of life and wanting to kill yourself because of the depression that shall hit you soon.

Lifeform was here crying, i'm waiting to see a new moniker crying out.

Degis:
The only reason you left was because of your deadly assaults on English Language, which they could no longer tolerate. Seriously, we would be happy missing you. Your space another has taken

Hahahahahahahaha. Oh Lawwd!!!