₦airaland Forum

Iliveforme:
This is my whole point and struggle to make sense of it all. I succeed yet I die. I fail yet I die. I make it rich or remain poor yet I die and the most distressing part is that I know death would be the absolute end for me so why all the bother?

Those few times I have gone through the religion section of nairaland and I read people talking about life after death and the way they say it with such certainty I just laugh at that level of ignorance because how can a mass of flesh and bones like me do anything besides rot when I die. This sad reality distresses me even more.

It is your flesh which will rot, not your spirit.

FOLYKAZE:
Demon worshipper

Have you worshipped the zombie today?

You cannibal, how many pound of his flesh have you eaten or litre of his blood have you drank?

Pls answer me. How many demons are living inside of you o pagan.

1Sharon:
Are you aware Samuel is deactivating his accounts one by one?

Wow, this girl, you are so into Samuel. Unfortunately is married and his wife is so beautiful.

Thanks for letting me know about his deactivation. I never followed him so i don't know.

Butterflyleo:
There is no Pro life in euthanasia and physician assisted suicide because it is not the doctor who suggests euthanasia to his patient but it is the patient who presents the choice of assisted suicide or euthanasia to the doctor.

The patient already wishes to die so presents it to the doctor to help him do it.

Please read to understand before always quoting me ignorantly as you always do.

Why then are the doctors suing for rights instead of the patients is what i'm asking?

dalaman:
According to the folklore you subscribe to
, your God commited suicide by sacrificing himself unto himself so that humans can be saved through his act of suicide abi? Well done.

Here comes the world's giant dumbo. Can anything intelligible ever come out of you?

CuteMadridista:
This is exactly why I'm telling you there's a difference between DAS and euthanasia. in euthanasia the patient's consent is a grey area while in DAS patient's consent is of utmost importance

Physician-assisted suicide is often confused with
euthanasia . In cases of euthanasia the physician administers the means of death, usually a lethal drug. In physician-assisted suicide, it is required that a person of
sound mind voluntarily expresses his or her wish to die and requests a dose of medication that will end his or her life. The distinguishing aspect is that physician-assisted suicide requires the patient to self-administer the medication.

Like I said you don't even know what you're arguing against and you're just shooting sporadically for shooting sake

and No, DAS hasn't been "happening" all along, stop trotting out wrong info or you have any proof to back that up? if DAS is done without the patient's consent then its NOT DAS! the word "Suicide" there becomes void if the patient's consent wasn't given

Its makes no sense to keep arguing when you're not even aware of the basics of what you're arguing for or against

Lolzzzz. You are only making noise. What is the end result of both Assisted Suicide and Suicide? Death, aren't it?

benzics:
LOL.. A long pile of trash and meaningless rebuttals.. Oya clap for yourself

Why would god test job when he claims to be omniscient?? Why will god destroy humans whose whole actions were programmed by him? It just goes a long way to prove how senseless, confused and blood thirsty he is

I thought i'd met the last confused person till i met you. Wow.
Did you say 'Programmed'. You mean you are a programmed robot? You have no Will power to decide what you want abi?
So, God programmed you to hate Him now right? You are programmed against your will to steal, lie and commit fornication abi? When you got that girl pregnant and both of you killed that human, it was programmed into you by God abi? You are also programmed to blaspheme and insult the Most High God abi? You are so smart, it scares me.

Satan your lies are just too glaring, am shocked you can't see them.

Gggg102:
wrong!

the doctors are not killing people who want to live. they are killing people who ask the doctor to kill them. the doctor does not make the decision, the decision is the patient's.



///If this law existed when Hawkins got so sick, the poor man would have been killed by some psycho believing he was doing him a favour. But Hawkins accepted his fate and lived to be 70+. If for nothing else, he saw his kids grow. He added to the Science community///



if this law existed and Hawkings asked to be killed, the doctors would have killed him.

if Hawking wanted to live, the doctor would let him live.





///We hear of suicides. No 'okay' person gets up to kill themselves, but people still put a gun to their heads. People still take pills and die, yet no corpse has been reported to have been arrested for that///



because they can't prosecute corpses. but suicide is still illegal.





///People have the right to choose if they want to live or die. No law should mandate anyone to take the life of another man///




the law is not mandating anyone to take the life of another man. the person who goes to doctor for assisted suicide already wants to die. the doctor only assists in the suicide

the doctor does not make the decision. it is fully the decision of the patient.



///My fear is not for those who may actually want to be killed, it is for the malicious doctors that may use this law to commit murder against those who like Hawkins may want to continue living regardless of their conditions///


the law does not give the doctors power to kill people against their will, it gives the doctor power to kill those who want to die.

Okay then. But, when a doctor prescribes deadly drugs to an already sick and poor person and the patient dies, who will sue the doctor? because it's only in court that the patients records will be checked to see he was killed by a doctor.

Gggg102:
suicide is a crime. even according to the Bible. nobody is free to commit suicide the same way nobody is free to rape. they do it in secret.

Ah, if we are looking at it from that angle, then what the doctors are advocating for is crime which warrants arrest.
No one can give themselves life, hence, no one has any right to take it, even theirs.

Gggg102:
folks have been raping since Adam. is it also their right? the fact that people have been doing it doesn't make it a right. especially when the laws are against it.

See? That's my point. I only didn't want to be too Christian by saying 'Absolutely no one has the right to take a life except God who created it', but i decided to just be neutral.
If rape is a crime just like suicide is, then what the doctors are advocating for is a graver crime. Why? because they want power to do it without questioning.

[quoteno one arrest corpse because you can't prosecute corpse. but you can be arrested for attempting suicide.[/quote]Yes i agree. That is because it's wrong both sides. The Law 'thou shall not kill' influenced the secular law. Why then do the doctors wantt suicide legalized? Won't they come up later in future to demand for a law to legalize rape?

Gggg102:
in a few places where it is legal. doctors can be prosecuted if they performed euthanasia with patient's consent because it is illegal.

Who becomes the plaintiff in the case? The patient won't sue because he wants it. His relatives won't sue, because they agree with their loved one. That leaves who to push the case?

Gggg102:
if the patient consents but the law doesn't allow it, the doctor can be prosecuted. they need the backing of the law.

In that case, before the pro-lifers commit their lives into the hands of doctors, questions shd be asked.

If an atheist can take a gun and walk into a church and shoot people just for believing God, what won't atheist doctors armed with the right to kill do?

Gggg102:
it has been operational where it was legal.

It is hard to believe that doctors haven't been killing people illegally. Now they want power to do so. Hmmm

Gggg102:
in places where it is illegal, the doctors can be prosecuted when the patient ask for it and the doctor gives it to him. that's why they need the backing of the law.

Hmmm. And when they get it, they can kill the pro-lifes.

Gggg102:
in states where it's illegal, doctors can't do it if the patient request for it. they could be prosecuted even when it was the patient's choice to die.

So, now the doctors wants this power badly so they can also kill those who despite their conditions may want to live on, yeah?

If this law existed when Hawkins got so sick, the poor man would have been killed by some psycho believing he was doing him a favour. But Hawkins accepted his fate and lived to be 70+. If for nothing else, he saw his kids grow. He added to the Science community.

We hear of suicides. No 'okay' person gets up to kill themselves, but people still put a gun to their heads. People still take pills and die, yet no corpse has been reported to have been arrested for that.

People have the right to choose if they want to live or die. No law should mandate anyone to take the life of another man.

My fear is not for those who may actually want to be killed, it is for the malicious doctors that may use this law to commit murder against those who like Hawkins may want to continue living regardless of their conditions.

FOLYKAZE:
The biitch chickened out again.

Christians have a record of hating on every member of their famiy, friends or any one that does not practice their doctrine. Have you wondered why Deeperlife member won't fellowship with Celestial member? Have you wondered why one of couple would force his/her new wedded spouse to join his church? Have you seen the bitterness in MFM and Lord chosen members? The religion is founded on hatred. A religion that even went fall asking one to hate his own life. Is that one religion?

You lad have been misled by the fraudsters you call pastors. Your ancestors ars not demons, they only brainwashed you and make you see them as such. The real demon is Yahweh and his Zombie son on Earth.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil: I the LORD do all these things.

Amos 3:6
Shall a trumpet be blown in the city, and the people not be afraid? shall there be evil in a city, and the Lord hath not done it?

The Bible text above shows that Yahweh created evil and he is the perpetrator of the evil things that happen around. Can't you see that your God is the real devil, demon and satan?

Jesus was even observed that he is possessed by the demons

John 8:48
The Jews answered him, "Aren't we right in saying that you are a Samaritan and demon-possessed?"

Firstly, Jesus is a bastard. His paternity root have not trace David ancestry. Joseph is not his father. Mary was probably raped by Angel Gabriel.

Secondly, the Jew, descendant of David were right. Jesus is possessed by his demonic father in Heaven.

The real devil dear is your father in heaven and his zombie coward son Jesus.

I never knew you were like this. How many of them are living inside of you?

Gggg102:
in states where it's illegal, doctors can't do it if the patient request for it. they could be prosecuted even when it was the patient's choice to die.

Oh, so the doctors want it legalised so that they can have the right to kill people?

I'm not against people wanting to end their lives, but when another man wants to do it to others and having the law backing him up is what i'm concerned about.

Kay17:
Glad that Emmanystone finally revealed the purpose of man on earth which is to be for other men. However my suspicions are raised by the fact that this purpose of man goes round in circles. Man, unlike tools, is not applied to a pre-existing challenge or condition. Man is not solution to any purpose other than himself. Man is awkwardly, and to some absurdly, the tool for the tool. Like a hammer serves to repair itself. Or nail to nail itself.

Nonetheless Emmystone has stated the purpose of man within Christianity. Who are we to question it.

Still it worrisome that the creator found no use for his creation.

Are you all wired this way when it comes to God, or you guys do this deliberately?

Read all i typed and read what you just typed here and see your dishonesty in trying to twist things.

I repeat, God as in YHWH, has no need for man. If He does, you as an individual shd do well to tell me what you do for God. How does He cope with a very little fragment of humanity identifying Him as their Creator?

I said, God created man for man. We are created to love and serve each other. But as an atheists, why will you want to do a thing like that? After man is just a bag of bones held together by skin.

FOLYKAZE:
Shiiit. I never saw it coming. Do you christians have a thinking cap?

Before I start, have you seen that your beloved Jewish demon called Jesus(the real jew observed he was likely possessed) is narcissistic cult leader. He is passing n instruction for his new prey to turn against their parents, friends and family, and join his new cult - anti family cult. You have actually been misled. No family love in Christianity.

The answer to your question is straight. It has to do with personal growth.

The levite gave all they had to Yahweh, their imaginary skydaddy, and they had nothing unto their name because Yahweh has denied them a free live. Yahweh made their life miserable by making them live in penury. They had no inheritance, no land, no farm, no money, and no good life. They hated their own life so well that they had to drop it for Yahweh new fond kind of life.

Some of the disciple of Jesus were fishermen, tax collector, physician and many other professions. This is their OWN life until Jesus asked them to thrashed that and live in abject poverty to preach evangelism and beg for food.

Would anyone who love his life thrash his field to live another one laid out by Yahweh?


Jesus explain better....

Mark 8:34-38:
And He summoned the crowd with His disciples, and said to them, “If anyone wishes to come after Me, he must deny himself, and take up his cross and follow Me. For whoever wishes to save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for My sake and the gospel’s will save it. For what does it profit a man to gain the whole world, and forfeit his soul? For what will a man give in exchange for his soul? For whoever is ashamed of Me and My words in this adulterous and sinful generation, the Son of Man will also be ashamed of him when He comes in the glory of His Father with the holy angels.”

Jesus that wants one to hate his family, friends and deny self from living life fruitfully is a kind of Charles Manson.

A God who wants his followers to hate their people is a demon.

A God who doesn't want to enjoy life or deny himself fruitful things on earth is a demon.

You have failed to tell us how hateful you are toward your parents.

Guy, you so pained. I have to let you be now, before someone's blood will be required of my hands.

The rate at which you are fuming, you can hemorrhage internally and fall dead. God for bit me to have your blood on me

Ancestors are still demons tho.

CuteMadridista:
In states where DAS is illegal a doctor SHOULDN'T carry it out. This is asking for it to be made legal. doing something and that thing being legal are 2 different things

Who even want this legalized, Doctors of sick patients?

If its doctors then, Doctors want to have power to kill people and won't be sued for it. Why insist on it?

This is being done all along and no one doctor has been arrested for doing it yet, because, the patients consent is sought. Now they want to overrule the patients who insist on staying alive than die. They want to kill anyone they feel is sick enough to die.

I smell a decomposing rat.

sonmvayina:
I think we are almost understanding ourselves, the first time the torah was ever presented was just after the exile from babylon, that is when Judaism started taking shape, the jews prior to that time worshipped the baals and asherahs,of the surrounduseing cities that they lived amongst..

Guy, you'd really have to give yourself an award for this powerful and insightful piece you just put up here. Wow, good job. The first time Torah was presented or written was when Cyrus asked Ezra to write it abi? In other words, the accounts of the Jews in Egypt, the Red Sea crossing, the 40yrs in the wilderness,.Moses, Joshua, Samson, Prophet Samuel, David, and all the kings of Israel. Prophets down to the last prophet Jeremiah before Israel went into captivity in Babylon were all flash backs? Yeah right.

So, the Ten Commandments, the sacrificial levitical laws were written in Babylon? Ahhhh. Guy, you are a genius.

sonmvayina:
This annoyed the Lord God that was why king cyrus asked Ezra to write it. As the God of cyrus was also Marduk. At least history says so..
Ezra got most of the information he used in writing the torah from babylon...

This is were it gets interesting. How could they have known not to worship Baal or any other God haven not been given rules as to who to worship?

sonmvayina:
But before that time the epic of Gilgamesh, the enuma elish where already in existence..it is all about the anunaki gods

Okay. In other words, Ezra copied from the Enuma Elish?

Pls, i will need you to reconcile these. In Enuma Elish, we don't see laws (moral) daily instructions for men to live by. We only see the creation account, the flood account and basically. If Ezra copied from it, where did he (Ezra), get this daily instructions?

Enuma Elish has no Ten Commandments, but the Torah does, where did it come from?

And, Note, the Ten Commandments are still the guiding rules in today's daily living, how did that come about?

Let's look at certian things in Enuma Elish and the Torah.
Torah: Noah=== (the builder of the Ark) Died at age of 950 years and he died.
Epic of Gil: Utnapishtim===(the builder of the boat) Has eternal life. Is he alive now? If yes, In which planet?

Genesis: The flood was as a result of sin

Epic of Gil: Pls, what caused the flood?

Genesis: The Rain lasted for 40 days and 40 nights. It wasn't only thw rains that caused the flood, they was under water earth quake (Tsunami).

Epic of Gil: The rain lasted on 6-7/days. Are they the same accounts? Which is more likely to be true? The 80 days rain including Tsunami or the 7days rain?

Genesis: Noah and his family only as humans enterd the Ark.
Epic of Gil: Utnapishtim his family and the men who build the Boat went in. Again, is it the same account?

Genesis: The Ark was Rectangular.
Epic of Gil: the boat was Square.

I can go on and on. Pls and these ones. Why the differences?

sonmvayina:
...The baals and asherahs where the sons and daughters of Enlil...( moloch is ninurta, Nergal is the devil, inanna is lucifer and the Queen of heaven etc.) this always made marduk angry and usually punishes them by making their enemies over run them......

Let me ask the question Okcornel asked, has this Planet 'Nibiru', been sighted by NASA before? And, these gods, are they on earth today or went back to Nibiru?

I can't believe i spent this time on this.

benzics:
It's not from my own mouth that you'll hear that your god did more evil compared to the devil...

Remember the Time the devil killed all first born in Egypt?

Hahahahahahahahahaa. Oh wow. Just pique satan up a little bit and watch him stumble through.

The same response you'd give as a muslim when asked why you kill across the globe people, your response is always 'The Christians killed Muslims in the Crusades', but what engineered the Crusades you'd rather not talk about.

Here you are again hiding behind the ancestors and speaking through one of your servants. Lol. Haven't you convinced them you don't exist, hence you are not behind their ancestors? Why the anger? Hahahahaha

benzics:
When your servant pharaoh ordered the killing of all male Jewish new borns, it was okay right? Yeah, Jews are not humans only Egyptians are. Jews are worthy of death, so no, let's not mention it.

And, the Jews were to remain under you as slaves yeah? Sorry. Israel is YHWH first son, touch him and be crushed.
Wonder why you forgot to mention the Amalakites.
Buhahahahaha.

You'd rather, no one takes a contrary action against you.

Satan you are a coward. You hit first, when hit back, you cry out the loudest. Coward.

[quote author=benzics post=66340518]Remember the Time the devil drowned the whole world in a flood?

Oh wait, let me think. It's coming to me now. You mean when you tried to breed beings that were half demons half men? Oh yeah, that. God created humans to be humans, not half demons. You failed.

Oh, and before i forget, that was water, what awaits you in future is Fire. And that will be eternal.

benzics:
Remember the time the devil used burning sulphur to roast the people of sodom and gomorrah alive?

Yeah, i remember this too. I remember that in the entire Sodom and Gomorah and their environs, 10 human beings who were not homosexuals were not found.

Wow, i also remember your beloved servants wresting to rape the Angels who went to Sodom as visitors. And, Yes, Lot offered them his virgin daughters to leave the men alone, but they insisted it must be the Anu.s of the men or nothing. Great men won't you say?

Again, the future shall be fire for the today's sodomites.

benzics:
Remember the time the devil killed all Job's children just to test him??

Yes ke. he did. Trying to prove that when God withdraws his protection from His people, no one shall serve Him. You feel everyone on earth will serve you if you kill, steal and destroy what belongs to them.

Wait, what is your mission statement again? To steal, to kill and to destroy. i get it.
Oh, but, now you know that not everyone will serve you. Hmm shame.

benzics:
Oh! How wicked and evil the "devil" is

Yes indeed. You are wicked and it is my Father's good pleasure to recompense tribulation to those who trouble His Children.

For any one Christian you cause distress, recompense of tribulation awaits you.

benzics:
[b] Everyone should be allowed to do with their life whatever they please

Wait, when you say 'everyone should be allowed'..., are you implying that the choice or rights to do what one wishes with their lives has been denied them in the past? It's a choice to do what you feel best for your life, that is why no one seeks anyone's permission to commit suicide.

Folks have been committing suicide from Adam, it's has been their right. No one arrests the corpse for killing itself.

benzics:
If one feels like life is just too much for him to take, and he wants to bail out, he is totally free, he is not forced to live a life he doesn't want to live..

I agree with totally with you. It's your right. And that right has been put to use before today. Hasn't Euthenasia been done with the patient's or its relatives consent in the past? It has.

Now, why they want the law now? Why take authority or coverage to.do what has been in operation for long? My guess is that, even when it will be passed into law, it'll still depend on the consent of the patient. Why then do they need the law behind them if they have no long term agenda?

This is what has been operational without the law, and no one has frowned against it, why call for backup now? This is where my suspicion lies

benzics:
[quote author=benzics post=66340676]Just do with your life what you please, and euthanasia should only be given to those who want it or those whom their conditions are totally irreversible for now (being brain dead etc.) [/b]

Who has been denied their rights to do as they wished in the past?

And, this instance of a brain dead patient is so pathetic and lame. Plugs have been pulled off brain dead patients all the while without the Court saying so. The relatives decides that and it happens.
But, again, we have seen people who were considered brain dead, but comes back to life, both religious and irreligious people.

Bottom line is, if you want it, then have it. And they have been having it all the while, but for them to demand for absolute right to do this sounds like, a doctor shd decide when to administer Euthenasia.

A time may come when a doctor may not need to consult with a patient to kill him/her especially if their patient were religious. What will stop them, when they have the law backing them up?

It began with human right. It sounded right. We accepted.

They moved to women rights, it sounded perfect, because, of course, women were terribly oppressed and maltreated. Now on that platform, women have come up with a deadly sect called Feminism. They want to put the man out completely. As a matter of fact, they want to obliterate the man. When it began, no one saw the bigger picture.

They moved to Child rights. Today parents can not instruct their children. Kids are left to be taught by what they see on TV. See how that is playing out in the society. (i know you'd tell me that you see nothing wrong with our society), nice.

Today, they need right to kill people with medicine, the spirit behind these all, is hailing the move. But why not.

The Principalities in the realm of darkness, brings up principles and the Territorial Powers enforces those Principles by the instrumentality of their agents in those territories.

FOLYKAZE:
Ohhh. Those are the cherry picked verses your sunday school teacher taught you. You, however, was so dumb not to explore the bible more.

Luke 14:26
If anyone comes to me and does not hate his own father and mother and wife and children and brothers and sisters, yes, and even his own life, he cannot be my disciple.


That is not enough. Do you want more nugget? It is surprising you are a hateful brainwashed lad but you are only following the teaching of your pastor. He could have told you about how you should hate your non Christian parents, grannies and extended family. He would have told you countless rhetoric about how association with these fella would make you end in some imaginary hell. He didn't actually backed it up with bible verses like that above. Hating one parent is the pass intp discipleship and Jesus followership.

Deuteronomy 33:9
The Levites obeyed your word and guarded your covenant. They were more loyal to you than to their own parents. They ignored their relatives and did not acknowledge their own children.

Matthew 10:37
"Anyone who loves their father or mother more than me is not worthy of me; anyone who loves their son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

You want more fun dear?

Only a demon would command her followers to hate their parents and siblings. We call this form of followership christinsanity.

The demon has made you hate your parents. Tell us how much you hate them

See Epilepsy. In a bit to post scriptures out of context you went from one seizure to hemorrhage. Make sure your brain doesn't crash.

The bolded exposed you satan.

How do you hate your life to follow God? When you can answer me that, i will expose more of your lies.

FOLYKAZE:
Resurrection of zombies. Jesus nd Yahweh are demons. The later love for blood is out of this world.

How have you been faring hating your father and mother?

Honor thy father and thy mother: that thy days may be long upon the land which the LORD thy God giveth thee.
Exodus:20:12

Children, obey your parents in the Lord: for this is right.
Ephesians:6:1

Honour thy father and mother; which is the first commandment with promise;
Ephesians:6:2

That it may be well with thee, and thou mayest live long on the earth.
Ephesians:6:3

^^^^These must be coming from your ancestors.

CuteMadridista:
Right to prescribe drugs for people with terminal illness who asked for the prescription and have been educated on what those drugs are and what s/he's getting into after seeing psychology professionals

Euthanasia is only legal in just few countries NOT everywhere. in the US for instance its only legal in 5 states or so Washington DC, California, Colorado, Oregon and Vermont. This means its illegal in 45 states and Hawaii is now trying to legalise it too which is what this thread is about. you seem too uneducated on this and have been shooting sporadically just for shooting sake without taking time to even understand what this is about

My point is, why do they need the law behind them to do what it's been done by choice all along?

CuteMadridista:
@ Emmanystone, we've been using the 2 terms interchangeably but please note there's a difference between DAS and Euthanasia even though they're very similar

Aren't all assisted death?

Butterflyleo:
Cowardice is the word indeed

Happy Memorial day sir. We are risen with Christ to live eternally. May we be found worthy to be partakers in His marriage feast when he shall appear.

CuteMadridista:
You're pulling a strawman or you're not comprehending

None of us said Hawking should shoot himself or a doctor should kill him. that's a huge misrepresentation of our (my) stand

We aren't "Anti-life" or "Pro-Death" but rather "Pro-Choice". You're committing the false dichotomy fallacy by thinking anyone not pro life must be pro death. We think all humans should make a choice whether to continue bearing unrelenting suffering or put him/herself outta his/her misery

It would interest you that regardless of your stand our stand is what reality is inclined to, Reality doesn't give a rat's ass behind what some people think. People who're facing debilitating health conditions make the choices no matter what anyone says or does. Choice is what we're arguing for and I feel a doctor is better to assist if the patient deems it fit after due process is followed like seeing a psychiatrist and being certified sane and he knows fully well what s/he's getting into

Why then are you people in court seeking the right to prescribe drugs for people with terminals cases? If it's about choice, then atheists doctors won't go to court to be empowered by law to kill people.

Euthanasia has been on since, it has been administered base on the choice of the patients, why seek empowerment now if they don't have an agenda?

FOLYKAZE:
Yahweh lied, maybe he is the demon, and was hell bent slandering another person image. He sent the spirit of lie, the one he created for a sinister motive, made a creature in his own image lie so that he could hang the soul. He caused a man to lie by possessing a king with lying spirit, he then turn around to kill the king...what a wicked and demonic god you worship. Even Jesus lied...is your sweet jesus a demon too?

Yahweh created evil, caused calamity and disaster to happen in the nation of people. Yahweh, we know is the devilish demon. It is your duty to tell us about demon worship because you worship one.

Jesus told those who wants to follow him. He said if you will become my disciple, you have to hate your parents, hate your siblings, hate your in laws and love him only. Oh, maybe you have not gotten there in your sunday school. Or your teacher is not teaching it. But seeing your behaviour, you knew about that teaching of hating one parent as Jesus taught you, and you have exhibited it on many threads. You Emmanystone is a disgruntled hateful beast. A beast who sees everyone who doesn't believe in her fantasy as hellbond. A beast who believe her ancestors are in hellfire for not accepting the Roman fiction. We have many of you in the society. They are not only believers but hateful toward their parents because they found a new faith.

Apostle Paul is the founder of Christianity. He found the new religion on the legend generally believed in his days. If he doubted the existence of Jesus, it mean the faith has no solid foundation and it is scam. It is good you were scammed but very bad you lose your conscience after been brainwashed.

Today is Easter, the day Jesus resurrection is celebrated. Your ancestors celebrate Egungun too or any ancestor worship in their culture. If your parents worship are demonic, how is your zombie jesus easter festival Godly? The Easter legend is well known though

Wow, guy calm down. Why this kind of anger on a resurrection day? Pls don't go into epileptic seizures. Me and you don quarrel before?

Choi, demons dey vex when you expose them.

Ancestors are still demons.

Butterflyleo:
Last time I checked, only kids and bullies reason that way. They come and push you when you are not giving them attention. They spit on you when you ignore them, they do everything just to get your attention as if you have a precious toy belonging to them in your possession.

The guy is a child in his head. Even the comments that come out of his mouth just makes me pity him the more. I can imagine h beating his chest and saying "e pain am" where he is when nobody knows his name, nobody knows his face, nobody even cares. A faceless forum such as this where he can be regarded as a nobody is now assuming that based on this, his comments would hold value?

My sister rock on joor. Dem say to baff for jacuzzi different from to baff for gutter even when mad men dey claim say all baff na baff na lie.

I thank God for your Jacuzzi that has cleaned you out.

He is indeed a child in his head. It's very funny to know that the atheists objectives here is to hurt Christians by insulting God.

This is the lowest level of cowardice.

benzics:
Dawkins was physically disabled, he chose not to give up on himself ... Even with his physical disabilities he proved to the world how mentally capable he was... It's a matter of choice, if someone isn't as brave as Dawkins and he chooses to bail out, it's totally OK.. Since it's their own personal decision

You are not getting it. You guys are snatching your own testicles here.

I am pro-life, but you guys are against life. I am in support of Hawkins living, but you guys say he shd end his suffering by either him shooting himself or a doctor killing him, this is what geared my question.

Since atheists wants life terminated as a result of suffering, why didn't Hawkins the chief atheists evangelist didn't do it to show the way? Why did he live with the torture? Could it be that he was afraid of dying to know what laid beyond?


We will finish this while i get back from Cburch, as i'm running late now.

Happy Resurrection morning.

Believe it or not, He resurrected.

benzics:
If you don't know anything it's better to keep shut.

Isaiah 45:7
I form the light and create darkness, I bring prosperity and create disaster; I, the LORD, do all these things.
Stop trying to form a religion that is not based on your Bible!!

Hahahahahahahahahaha. So what? He created it and afflicted people with it?

Pls go ahead and also post a verse that says he uses disasters (which is not diseases) to punish people.

FOLYKAZE:
She chickened out.

Apostle Paul doubted Jesus existence and almost convinced that his faith and all long preaching could be in vain. How much more a Nigerian that has been brainwashed and thought her ancestors are demons.

What could be more demonic than followership of roman invention, a cult where hatred of one parent, siblings and in laws is the pass into discipleship.

Demons lie to hell. Just imagine your lies. Does it make you feel good in your demon's worship? Yes it does. When satan lies, he speaks his native language...

Jesus told you to hate your parents, where? And do you see Christians around you hating their parents and siblings saying it's what the Bible says? Liars have their place in hellfire.

You can start by posting where Apostle doubted the existences of Jesus. Even if he did, i am Apostle Paul?

What do i expect

obinna58:
More like speaking for everyone cos their death or life decision depends on you

Guess you're more dumber

Hey, Gerarahia.

CuteMadridista:
You're hurt, I see how it touches you every time I call your imaginary friend for what it is, there's this reaction from you that you'd only be aware of if you were self aware but apparently you're not keep hurting

I've only said you took long once, I seriously doubt there's any more time I did

That once was when you responded to latter posts and left mine for hours. you basically skipped mine and I asked what took you so long especially considering your eventual response was disappointing - as is tradition

Oh hopefullandlord. I am saved, i am at peace with the world around me. I have joy unspeakable. I forgive easily. Pride is dead in me. It takes nothing for me to apologize when in the wrong. I am not rebellious to authority. I am a giver, i can give the last i have and go with nothing.

What another has does not catch my eyes. I am a contented person. I love people. I don't look down on others because of their estate. My house has no door. I am a friend of children and the elderly. I love.

All these and many more are as a result of me surrendering to God. These were things i couldn't do before now. But now, i don't atruggle with them anymore.

I have deep seated conviction that God is alive. I have a solid testimony to that effect. Yet i will be hurt because a demon possessed, God hating angry boy says God does not exist? Wow. This makes for a good laugh.

If only you know how much i pity you. Satan will deceive you to the point of death, when you breath your last, he shall leave your body, taking another as host, then you'd realize why i feel pity for you.

Keep trying to hurt me by saying God is imaginary.

Oh my lawwd, who reasons like this?

Rosskii:
Look, there was no writer contemporaneous to the era Jesus was supposed to have lived who wrote a single word about him. That is like nobody writing about Mandela till about 40 years after his death. Does that make sense? There were HUNDREDS of prominent writers of the era who wrote about every mundane thing on earth. Yet, NOT ONE mention of Jesus. This man who was going around raising the dead, performing miracles, and later crucified, and yet not a whiff from any writer:

Excerpts:

"There is not a single contemporary historical mention of Jesus, not by Romans or by Jews, not by believers or by unbelievers, not during his entire lifetime. This does not disprove his existence, but it certainly casts great doubt on the historicity of a man who was supposedly widely known to have made a great impact on the world. Someone should have noticed." - Dan Barker

The Gospel story, with its figure of Jesus of Nazareth, cannot be found before the Gospels. In Christian writings earlier than Mark, including almost all of the New Testament epistles, as well as in many writings from the second century, the object of Christian faith is never spoken of as a human man who had recently lived, taught, performed miracles, suffered and died at the hands of human authorities, or rose from a tomb outside Jerusalem. There is no sign in the epistles of Mary or Joseph, Judas or John the Baptist, no birth story, teaching or appointment of apostles by Jesus, no mention of holy places or sites of Jesus’ career, not even the hill of Calvary or the empty tomb. This silence is so pervasive and so perplexing that attempted explanations for it have proven inadequate. - Earl Doherty, The Jesus Puzzle

It may surprise Christians to learn that there are no contemporary historical documents for 'Jesus, the Christ'. The writings of Paul are not contemporary accounts: they do not appear until years after the purported time of Jesus and they include a concession that Paul never actually met Jesus. The Gospels come much later (as evidenced by the fact that Paul never cites them) and there is good reason that all four of the surviving, accepted Gospels are based on Mark, which in turn is likely to be a form of 'Midrash', not historical documentation: (See: http://www.rationalresponders.com/the_gospels_are_midrash)).

While some apologists attempt to wave this problem away by claiming that "Jesus"would not have been a noteworthy figure, this apologetic tactic contradicts what the Gospels say about Jesus. One cannot hold, at the same time, that the Gospels are true eyewitness accounts of actual events, AND that the Jesus figure in those works would not attract the attention of men like Philo, Pliny or Seneca. It's an absurd contradiction.''

http://www.rationalresponders.com/silence_screams_no_contemporary_historical_accounts_quotjesus




Josephus was not contemporary to Jesus and so cannot provide evidence of his existence.

Here is a list of writers contemporary to the 'Jesus' era, none of whom mention him.

https://i.dailymail.co.uk/i/pix/2014/10/01/1412156495625_wps_3_126_jpg.jpg




NONE of these writers was contemporary to the Jesus era and so are not considered legitimate witnesses. For a writer to be legitimate, he must have loved DURING the time Jesus was meant to be alive, not decades after.




The Romans colonised and occupied Judaea. It was a cakewalk for them to rope in some rabbis and have them include falsehoods in their Talmud.

Why did the Jews not recognise this Roman-invented messiah? Ask even the modern so called Jews, who still don't accept him.






Stop using bible texts to debate pro-bible sentiments. That lacks credibility. Use independent sources and data.





That is the ''root'' they TOLD YOU. ''Oh, he saw a vision in the sky and then adopted christianity''. The story for the masses. DUDE, USE YOUR HEAD. The Roman Empire was a highly sophisticated operation. What they did, they did for specific reasons. Political, economic and hegemonic reasons.




Paul, if he existed, was a stooge of Rome. Rome incorporated many local stooges and sellouts.


Paul was accused by Jews of bad-mouthing the old testament law "everywhere" and polluting the temple with Greeks. Evidently, not James, nor the elders, nor the "thousands" of Jesus converts, say a word in Paul's defence.

Jewish mobs tried to kill him, and he was rescued by the Romans!

''Rescued by (good) Romans from the clutches of the (bad) Jews, Paul is taken into detention where he reveals that he is not an Egyptian revolutionary (Acts 21:38; copied from Antiquities 20.169) but a "free born Roman citizen".

http://www.jesusneverexisted.com/paul-in-jerusalem.html

Paul - if he existed, was a local sellout to Rome.




It is a well-known literary technique to invent a character, and then weave his story through actual existing eras, personalities, and epochs. So just because you see Jesus mentioned alongside people like Caesar and Herod, does not mean Jesus existed.



Because they have been fooled by the inventors of the Christ personality. Just like you've been fooled.



Belief in God does NOT equate to belief in Jesus. Billions of people on earth believe in God and do not believe in 'Jesus'. Your ancestors believed in God, and knew nothing about 'Jesus'. Humans have been on earth for tens of thousands of years. Possibly hundreds of thousands of years. The Jesus story is only 2000 years old. Don't insult humanity's intelligence by daring to equate your Johnny Just Come Roman invention with the Creator, and belief in same. Understood?

Okay, YHWH, Jesus and non of the Apostles existed. Are you happy now?

When i see your moniker talking about whether or not Jesus existed, i will consider you disturbed.

Jesus doesn't exist, now have peace.