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Btruth:you don't have sense. Did you follow my comments at all?. |
Kez11:It would be a good idea if you could tell this to Germany. I will keep saying this. Germany believes it is sacred to preserve Jewish historic persecution in the 40s which was the reason they enacted Holocaust law. That, Holocaust denial shall be penalized. The law is still there. It used to be applied severally until people received sense not to deny Holocaust. Also it would be good idea if you could tell this to the state of Florida in the USA where they have Stand Your Ground Law. This law simply puts law in people's hands. It is tantamount to jungle justice. The best way to avoid this Florida law is to never argue with people. Now most likely the reason you don't hear people get punished for Holocaust law anymore is because people no longer commit the crime but the law stands. They only reduced the sentence but they did not scrap the law. This Holocaust denial law, based on what you said about kano blasphemy law, carries similar traits. They are both meant to serve a purpose and interest. Question is, is Holocaust law not in conflict with freedom of speech?. Why should someone go to Germany and deliberately violate their Holocaust law?. Do you think you would not face the consequences?. Although there are people now trying to repeal the law that it is no longer in harmony with modern democracy but Jewish Israel fought for and still fighting for the law to stand. Six or more european countries have blasphemy law and Israel too. This is agenda to portray Israel and Jewish people as victims of everyone so that will pity them till eternal. So with time when Nigerians begin to receive sense they would not violate blasphemy law and you may never hear about blasphemy law anytime in a much no one violates it. It is this simple bro. As for violation in public or private, it is not a violation unless and until it becomes public and you get caught. Therefore my record is clean which means I never violated any law publicly and privately. Law is not looking into your private life except where law permits your surveillance and you get caught. So this defendant in Kano committed his crime in public and got caught. You understand?. What you don't seem to understand is that most of these guys on NL that oppose blasphemy law are prone to lawlessness. They are used to giving "egunje" knowing they commit crimes. A nation doesn't move forward without law and order. Let's respect the law. With time it may change. These western countries you see today had blasphemy law when they were godly. Nigeria is still a godly nation with bunch of evil mindsets compared to western world now. Also what you don't understand is that you can easily get in trouble with law in western world too even though it not blasphemy. You can get in trouble for simple things you take for granted in Nigeria. Let me give you few examples. In Nigeria you can simply go to a corner or someone else property, highways or bush to defecate or pee without getting in trouble even if you do this in police presence but you can not do this in most western world. You would be sent to criminal court if caught. Also you can not drink beer in public. I'm not talking about drunk driving. I mean like party or just walking down the street. You can not hold beer bottle in public. You can not do"ram fighting". You would be issued criminal summonses for these crimes. But in Nigeria these are normal things you do without consequences. So what I am trying to tell you is that each country to their own. "Crime" that you commit in private as long as it is not murder or rape or other serious crimes that will definitely come to light, is not a crime unless and until you are caught by the authority. Respect The Law. |
Kez11:why do you wanna violate the law in the first place? |
Reason for this conclusion of yours is because you belonged to the other extreme end which we kinda warned you about. As much as I sometimes disagree with him, budaatum's response to you did justice to your write up. As for hadith, informed Muslims know it is not all authentic nor is it wahy so long as it doesn't meet Qur'an standard. This is the best methodology of all. Your methodology is wrong and methodology of the other extreme end is also wrong . This is why you are where you are today. Anyways, I still respect some of your approach and I must say i learned from you too. As for adopting more modern Quran exegesis, Islam already answered this when it says Quran is for past, present and future which means there is room flexibility in tafsir. This was also briefed by Hand Kung in his book. You may also check Sheikh Abdul Hakeem Quick on YouTube talked about this years ago. There are parts of Qur'an that explain modern phenomenas. It is simple physics. usermane: |
Kez11:I appreciate you made little sense. The guy is alive today because of the law. Otherwise he would have been lynched years ago when he committed his crime. It was not your noise that helped him. He was already told that he has right to appeal his judgement. So Kano follows due process. Besides, what makes other parts of the country different from the North?. You are all animals in human form with exception of reasonable people amongst you. Majority of the people that cried out on the internet only condemned the law itself altogether instead pleading to the govt about the judgment. |
JorgedeToledo:guy, I am not really interested in religious discourse. This thread is about appeal and help the guy to get lesser judgement. If you truly wish good for the guy you would obey the law and follow due to process of appeal but majority of you are just ranting online. Who that helps?. Anyways, it is interesting you are denying old testament but you won't blink twice before you defend old testament when it suits you especially when it involves Israel. |
tempest01:you blind? |
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frankyychiji:ignorance |
tempest01:I don't want to talk about religion in this thread but you can have these verses. Leviticus 24:16 "anyone who blasphemes the name of the Lord is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death." Luke 12:10 And everyone who speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but the one who blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven. Matthew 12:31-32 Therefore I tell you, every sin and blasphemy will be forgiven people, but the blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. And whoever speaks a word against the Son of Man will be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit will not be forgiven, either in this age or in the age to come. Mark 3:29 But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit never has forgiveness, but is guilty of an eternal sin”— |
How does this help the guy?. Can you think?. It is you citizens that help them steal by glorifying politicians that suit you even if they are evil. You citizens would forsake good politicians because they have nothing to offer you illegally. So your leaders are reflection of you. I am not here to discuss politicians, religion bla bla bla. My stand here is that this is state law and if you violate the law you will be crushed. And the only way to rescue yourself if you get in trouble with the law is to appeal and do things legally. Not rant on the internet which doesn't help anyone. You understand? Commonsense99: |
Btruth:this is normal in every country. Did you not hear many cases even in western world where accused is denied attorney sometimes?. Please let's stop adding sentiment to legal issue. It is not helpful. |
Incandescent:smh. What the heck is wrong with you?. This is state law. Are you here crazy?. This law was there since 1999 during Christian obasanjo regime and recognized by federal govt. No one is fighting for Muhammad. This is state law. Why do you crazy people don't understand shit?. Why do you guys love lawlessness? |
Btruth:guy, appeal option was already available. Majority of you guys are clueless about the law. Appeal is applicable worldwide except where exception is made. Ignorance is what is worrying many of you. Even kano court already gave him option to appeal right before and after the judgement but hatred didn't allow many too read. |
Thank you. Nigerians are very ignorant. They can be very annoying. They don't know shit. The reason many of them criticized the law is because majority of Nigerians are not used to obeying law. Many were born lawlessly. So they think everything is just free free free. Freedom is not free Amotolongbo: |
You are not making sense. Your Bible approved of blasphemy law. Kano blasphemy law is biblical not Islamic. So stop this crap. This is the right thing the guy's lawyer is doing by appealing his case not all the stupid noise and irrational criticisms of the law which don't help him. I have maintained my position that I support the law. Law is law. And whatever the judgement is is subject to appeal which is exactly what the guy is doing. But bunch of you educated illiterates on NL platform don't understand anything about law. Many of you criticized the law saying the guy has right to free speech. But do you realize in many countries in developed world you can get in trouble for your utterances?. A guy was sentenced to 10 years in prison in New York for simply saying things to autistic patient. So everyone must obey the law. Law is law and stop bull crap criticisms. The right thing to do is legal process which he's doing. Those of you that have been making noise about the judgement how did you help the guy?. TheSERAPH: |
oyatz:Stop deceiving yourself man. Don't teach me your hypocritical definition of "secularism". Nigeria is not a secular state. Keep deceiving yourself. It is far from secularism. Didnt Wike declared his state a christian state and no one said anything about it?. Instead, Adeboye and co threw their support behind him. Keep deceiving yourself. And you guys really need to stop your foolishness for saying I am supporting killing Black man. Stop this nonsense right now. I have not argued from religious perspective. My position has always been about State Law. State passed blashphemy law recognized by federal govt. Law is law. Why are you guys have difficulty understanding very simple analysis?. The only way you could have had better argument was to protest the law before the Bill was passed decades ago. Many of you guys were babies when the law was passed. You have no idea reason behind it. The law is here to stay until govt decides to repeal it. Everything you guys are doing on the internet about this case is not helping the guy. It is like you are contending the law which is very wrong move. So please stop talking about the country doesn't recognize religion. Nigeria is a religious country. If it is not, why so much damn churches?. Do you have idea how these churches came about especially in Lagos?. All those churches you see in Lagos were once investment companies. Christians bought them and converted them to churches. Also if Nigeria is truly a secular state, how dare Obasanjo tasked all states in nigeria millions of naira to build Abuja national church?. America is secular state but did you hear their president task governors to contribute towards building churches?. Nigeria is a joke. It is country that says one thing but does another. If you are talking about secularism, it is Abuja central mosque which was built by donations from individuals. So in the case of Kano, it is state law. If law states 'this is a no go area' then why do you do there?. Secularism in itself is hypocritical. In Norway recently, their PM recognized the right too desecrate Quran. It says it is freedom of speech to desecrate Quran. Yet in Germany the same 'secular' country has a law that makes it a crime to deny holocaust. You people need to stop deceiving yourselves. Obey the law. That's my point. Even US that champions secularism is not 100%. They have grant (funds) meant for christians only. They don't tell you this on national TV. Apart from this, there are non profit charity orgs directly and indirectly funded by federal, state and local govt. These charity places are catholic churches to fund less privilege like housing, food etc. So obey the law regardless of what your opinion is. You guys are not helping the guy. Your argument against the law is not helping the guy at all. Your argument is that you don't recognize the law while in fact, lawyers, judges, jury, and governor already recognized the law and are ready, willing and able to carry our death penalty while you're on the internet yelling. Is this how to help the guy?. If you truly want to help the guy, reach out to lawyers, court and governor and plead to them instead arguing blinding on the internet. It is too late for that. What am I going to do with his death?. . What you should be doing is to help him appeal his case. Thats how legal process works. And tell Wike to establish Biblical laws too since it is a christian state. Bunch of hypocrites.
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LordReed:the business itself is halal and it is hands to hands in most cases even though that is changing now. But the exchange rate is where problem is. It is not equal from one currency to another. This is deliberate control demolition of currency. That's not fair. This is what is causing poverty.
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robinso01:that's my point. This depends on timeline since the incident occurred |
robinso01:calm down guy. Sinkholes happen anywhere and everywhere. How govt responds to it is what matters. Sinkhole is a natural phenomenon regardless of how professionally road is constructed. Be positive |
ehinmowo:If you are not comfortable with this, this is the best time to negotiate with govt. You have democracy which means opinions of citizens matter. So engage your govt officials. Negotiate with them on what you think is appropriate punishment. Don't just sit by your computer and typing your protest. So you have the chance now before this Bill is proposed. Once it is proposed and passed, none of you have right to complain again. That's medicine after death. So engage them now. Truly you need tough laws in nigeria. Many things are treated with kiddie gloves and this calls for concern. Many lives have been lost for no reason. All these advanced countries you see today used to apply harsh laws until thier people got sense; then they repealed those harsh laws. So until Nigerians think and act like humans you need serious laws to reset your brain. |
You are not telling yourself the truth. Nigerians are hypocrites. Imagine you are saying this?. When Amosun was in office he didn't do that. If he did Christians would scream "islamization". You and I know many things Christians have been doing in the country to Muslims. Wearing hijab to work or school is islamization. Introducing Sharia compliance banking system is islamization etc. Buhari goes to mosque is islamization agenda. Didn't we hear you guys say this many times?. Lastly, did you hear about NEPA office in Lagos was shutdown on January 2nd this year bcuz Christians are praying for the new year?. Customers waited for hrs just to pay their bill. A customer called headquarters in Marina to report the incident but he was told it is new year's prayer in entire country. Nigeria is a secular country right? . I have more stories like this even in doctors' offices headed by Christians. E ma tan ara yin. oyatz: |
madridguy:you are the only one that think properly. Nigerians apply sentiments to everything. Laws are made based on environment. You just said it all. Reason majority of them think negatively is bcuz Nigerians are used to lawlessness. Nigerians needs tough laws to behave like humans. Imagine a comment reads "why do Muslims life death death death". Is this about Muslims?. Govt is trying to do what is the best interest of the society and they are complaining. |
This doesn't make sense to me. Germany had their capital punishment when the country was religious. Now that they have abandoned religion for secularism they adopted secular law. But Nigeria is religious country whether you like it or not. All your govt offices are filled with religious bullshit but you hypocritically applied secular laws while engaged in serious religious shenanigans even in govt offices and during official duties. Ogun state present governor's office is one example. His office is filled with pictures of Jesus, crosses and White pastor during official duties. Was it not years ago your former president knelt down before religious leader to pray for him?. Where do you see that in Germany?. Nigeria is hypocrite. You need to apply biblical and Islamic law if truly you are sincere with yourselves.. Your secular law isn't helping the country one bit. I repeat, Nigeria is not a secular country. Prove me wrong. Obi1kenobi: |
You see, they are already pushing for blasphemy law internationally since the last incident that led to lynchings of some guys in EU. This is why govt makes law. I have not argue about "fighting for God", "God is merciful", "God is forgiving", etc as some are pointing out. I know exactly what I'm doing for not bringing such arguments up. I have not pointed out Qur'an or hadith. My stand is govt makes law. This alone must be respected. Whether the judgment was right or wrong is another thing. I know it doesn't sound logical when I used that parrallel example but I honestly don't care. My standpoint was govt makes law. The law is recognized by federal govt. The law is not illegal so this is not about they are fighting for God or they are extremists. Govt simply made law to be obeyed. Lack of law leads to indiscipline. Yoruba people say "ilu ti ko si ofin ko si ese. Ilu ti ofin ba wa ni ese was" So I am not arguing from religious point of view. Kano simply made state law and the way to help the guy is not about condemning the law but by pleading to the govt. Govt can make law. If govt says something is a crime it means a crime. This is simple physics. You see all the arguments on social media have not helped the guy in the least. The right people that can help him have been in support of the govt. This is what many of you guys don't get. Kano governor, lawyers, jury are those in the position to help the guy not this online rant. And all these people I mentioned support his execution. The last thing for us is to argue with govt. Govt can do and undo. It is much better to plead to the govt rather than argue. I understand this is not even Sharia that came with Islam but political Sharia. I get that. But again, this is state law. This is my position. The reason many are against it especially non-Muslims is because they are used to lawlessness in the country. They think based on their own individual views. So this is not about whether it is morally right or wrong to punish someone for blasphemy. This is about state law recognized by federal govt. So all this noise won't help the guy. League of lawyers in Kano are already working to have the guy executed. So I don't get all this noise on social media?. How does it help the guy?. If silly law is passed in western world you dare not challenge them. They will tell you that law is law. You can be arrested for almost anything there too which Nigerians take for granted everyday in Nigeria. You can be sent to criminal court for running your car unattended in some State. It is a crime but not serious one. You can be arrested for criminal offence for holding bottle or drink beer in public in New York. These are things you take for granted in Nigeria. Simple traffic stop in New York may be treated with kiddie gloves. But in other state it may be treated as serious criminal case. It is just what it is. So the way Kano state law is looking at it is not the way many of you guys online are looking at it. So this is not the way to help the guy. All these arguments will aggravate authority. You all should be pleading to leniency not arguing with the govt. Again, this is not about fighting for God and I am not and I have not argue from religious point of view. I am arguing from the standpoint of the law. Govt knows the reason they passed this law and it doesn't make sense to condemn them. Rather to plead to them. A guy did the same in Mauritania years ago and he was sentenced to death. After several pleads from citizens his sentence was reduced to jail. So this is not about God is forgiving, fighting for God, extremism and so on. This is about law and the law is not illegal. It is recognized by federal government of Nigeria. This is what many of you don't get. It would be extremism if individual or group of individuals kill someone for blasphemy. This is jungle justice and it is illegal. Again, govt can do and undo. Florida for instance has a silly law and there is nothing anymore can do about it unless govt decides to repeal it. Their law is called "stand your ground law". This is very controversial. You know what it means?. It means if you have altercation with someone and the fellow feels you are a threat to him or her he has right to gun you down. Does this not sound like jungle justice?. It doesn't make sense but it is the law. It is the same in Kano. Blasphemy is criminal offence punishable by death. Is it not better to avoid commiting this crime rather putting family in distress?. As for those who said this Sharia law exempts govt officials. Well, Nigeria constitution itself is for the poor. When was the last time govt official persecuted successfully in the country?. Rilwayne001: |
Obi1kenobi:Denying Holocaust is punishable offence in some EU countries and Israel or not?. If yes, why isnt that your concern?. Dont [eople have right to free speech?. Denying Holocaust is not a protected speech. But in nigeria you can say whatever you want against it and get away with it. Whether there is capital punishment against it or not is irrelevant. Whats relevant is it is punishable offence to deny holocaust. Just because those countries have abolished capital punishment doesn't mean Kano must too. They used capital punishment all these centuries. Nigeria will eventually drop it too in the future but time is not ripe yet. There are countries and states around the world with capital punishment. So get lost. |
IdisuleOurOwn:senseless comment. If we are to go by your idea, then, we will leave thieves, armed robbers, murderers, looters, defamation of character and host of other crimes and let God judge later. What type of senseless reasoning capacity is this?. Germany has capital punishment for denying Holocaust. Where is your outcry?. Go to Germany and publicly deny Holocaust. You will lose everything you have in life and lose yourself too. Since their law was in effect they rarely persecute anyone because people simply obey the law. Law is law. An old German woman who denied Holocaust was persecuted for it but due to plea from international community they reduced her punishment. So stop your trash. Plead to the govt to show leniency not challenging the judgement. Get over this, man. |
that's it what the law says. What the law says is different from opinion of citizens. What citizens can do is to plead for leniency..i am not gonna succumb to anyone rubbish comments online. . State law stated the law and he violated the law knowing the consequences. If you are in western world and violate the law they tell you law is law. You can be persecuted for almost anything there too. So you all need to stop being emotional about what is not. You should rather plead to the govt for mercy not challenge the law.[ And if you are not Muslim then I wonder why this is your issue?. You should be concerned about jungle justices in your locality. What I am looking forward to however is that this so called law should extend to politicians to balance equation. Both Sharia and common law in Nigeria are useless because they apply only to the less privileged. Politicians are immune to them. That's all I can fault here. Anything else? LegendHero: |
barojana:this is emotional not reality. Face the reality |
madridguy:it has been happening about 10yrs ago. US states released many people that have served 30, 40, 50 years for crime they did not commit. rascism did play huge role but at the same time there are minute non-black people who faced the same. A Jewish guy was also released after 44yrs in prison for crime he didn't commit back in the days. So it was a hole in justice system too. Yes, many of them were compensated but to be honest the money was not enough. A back guy that served 45 for crime he didn't commit was paid only 1.2$. this is way to small for wasted time. Another black guy also rejected compensation. It is just what it is. Remember attorney's fee and other fees are included in the compensation. That's messed up. |
You have excellently said it all. This is a proof that all religions that you mentioned and those you didn't remember to mention are fake. Imagine religions are modified?. It is a proof they were never from God. Christianity included. Yet you all claimed your religions are from God. A true religion doesn't need modification. Besides, I still don't get why this judgement is your problem. The law applies to only Muslims and you guys are crying over what doesn't concern you?. Please get over it and move on. Germany still has punishment for whoever doesn't believe in the Holocaust. Doesn't this contradict freedom of speech?. Guy, get over this shit and mind your business. It is still possible the guy may not be executed. He has opportunity to appeal and due process was observed. Law is law. Laws are meant to regulate society. Let every religion in the world enforce their religious laws and you get to realize Islam is the only religion that accommodate everyone. You will all troop to Islam if every religion is to enforce their religious laws. So get over this buddy and mind your business if you are not Muslim. barojana: |
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