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Kcblunt:
@empiree.

Who has experience to share on 40 days fasting without. Meat or animal products.

You wanna try out?.

Please do and share your experience with us.

AbdulSleeky:
I am not a christian. I keep telling you this. I am an atheist and a secular humanist.

ok. So get over your obsession with Islam and focus on you. My argument was always based on legal perceptive but you guys keep bringing Islam into this. It is evident you have issues with Islam, despite quoting bible to refute you. I grabbed your antics and true2god. It is waste of time dragging this further.

So wherever you go on planet earth obey the law of the land or you get punished whether your are comfortable with their law or not. You have absolutely no right to question the law. I knew exactly what I was doing for not arguing from religious view.

Good day and thanks for alllllllllllll your insults.

AbdulSleeky:
ISLAM'S ABUSE OF HUMAN RIGHTS

1. Freedom of speech. One cannot criticize the prophet or religion.

Holocaust law is infringement on freedom of speech

One cannot draw the prophet. Compare this to every other religion where criticism and mockery is legal and allowed.

Sorry bro, Islam has its law like any other religions. There is difference btw criticism and mockery. You can criticize Islam based on your ignorance until you are enlightened. We criticize religions especially during debates. So no big deal as long as you present your authentic facts.

But mockery is no no. I have given you parallel example in the West. Your mockery of others can get you locked up. Those guys you see in Late Night Shows making funny stuff or SNL are licensed and registered. They have their limits they can not cross.

2. Freedom of association. Muslim women are not allowed to marry non muslims

1 Corinthians 15:33
Do not be deceived: “Bad company ruins good morals"


Nigeria as a case study. How Many Nigerian non-muslim politicians married Muslims?. Kindly tell us bcuz I haven't seen one. But I have seen Tinubu, Ajimobi, Fasola married Christians. I don't condone this because it is not acceptable. They will regret later. Ajimobi just regretted. His burial after him violated Islamic moderate burial and extravagance. This was due to his silly kiriyo wife. Besides, marriage is forbidden btw believers and non-believers from the time of immemorial as documented in the Bible. All Nigerian Christian politicians fulfilled this Bible passage but muslim politicians failed. Freedom of association placed Ajimobi in trouble. His wife used money that could alleviate poverty for some to design a grave.

Evidences that Bible forbids interfaith marriages.


Deuteronomy 7:3

Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.



Deuteronomy 7:4

For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the Lord be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.




2 Corinthians 6:14


Do not be unequally yoked with unbelievers. For what partnership has righteousness with lawlessness? Or what fellowship has light with darkness?

3. Freedom of expression. In sharia states, women cannot wear bikinis on the street- even in summer.

Question is, why bikini?. Do Muslim women have choice to wear proper clothing?. If so, is this an option for them or not?. If yes, then what's your problem?. No religion on earth commands nu.dity, nakedne.ss etc.

4. Gay rights.

Do not lie with a man as one lies with a woman; that is detestable" (Leviticus 18:22)

and "If a man lies with a man as one lies with woman, both of them have done what is detestable. They must be put to death; their blood will be on their own heads" (Leviticus 20:13).

5. Womens rights. Wife beating. Women inherit less. More female witnesses needed.

the screenshots should give you clue.

AbdulSleeky:
What you mean to say is that you dont believe in any criticism of islam.

You can kill for religion.

you are silly. I will ignore you soon

Excel70:
Interesting video.
What is the view on Irawo wiwo and star checkers

he talked about those too. You may need to visit his Facebook page. Astrology and astronomy are two different things. So daily horoscope you see on the internet is haram in Islam because Hadith alludes to it

AbdulSleeky:
Where are the popular apostates in Saudi and Pakistan?

Lol. We know how your fellow muslims in sharia countries treat apostates

Sorry bro, i don't believe in propaganda.

Never knew a place like this exist. I may have to check this out

100Caliber:
I was at Obudu Mountain Resort recently and had a good time. I saw some foreign people there too. The place still looks very beautiful like Europe despite low domestic patronage . Maybe they need good managers and marketing team, and a good road network connection.
I've come to realize that average Nigerians just don' have the spending power ,and that's why most businesses like Resorts and shopping centers don't thrive too well .

A business thrives when local and foreign consumers combine, It won't thrive if it's only patronized by foreign. Even rich Nigerians prefer to vacation abroad. The Nigerian spending power is too low and needs to be boosted before such places can thrive.

The idea of resorts and national parks like Tinapa, Obudu Mountain resort, Cross river National park, etc. are great, if not for the low spending power of average Nigerian.
For now, it's just a shame.

How does Islam obstructs human rights. Give one clear example and I will give you 100 in return. O ya(go ahead).

AbdulSleeky:
Talk A, you are talking B

We are talking about religious (islamic) obstruction of human rights, and you are here talking about other human rights abuses in Nigeria.

There are many human rights abuses but we are talking about your religion and your support for islams obstruction of human rights.

AbdulSleeky:
1. The article was in the UK. The same UK where their citizens have freedom of and from religion. So apostates are safe there.

2. The article even gives example of an apostate blogger that was killed by muslims.

stop your lies. I caught you in the act. There are Muslims in Muslim countries who left Islam and people of other religions entering Islam. So stop your foolishness. Qur'an talks about freedom of religion.

Most of the so called apostates being punished are either propaganda or politics.

Some of them came up with this propaganda to get western resident permit or asylum. You don't understand how politics works. Examples are many. They are called "ex-muslim propagandists" like wafa sultan and host of others and CNN later exposed their lies after they used them. Where are they now?. They were used in the early 2000s and they all made fortune from lies. If they come out again Americans will condemn them. Americans are wiser now.

AbdulSleeky:
Emp.iree does not believe in human rights....only that which is promised in the Quran. He is a fanatic.

How do you define human rights?.

In Nigeria your human rights are violated by the same people who claimed to be educated. No stable electricity. No proper functional healthcare system. No good roads. No justice system. Law enforcement shoot you for refusing to give bribe. Laws protect the rich and the elites and the list goes on. What's more violation of human rights in Nigeria than these?. . Speak on son. Teal me what I don't know about himself rights... Please go ahead.

What you don't understand is your own problem which is hatred. Even last week a thread made front page about Iran execution of a murderer. This iranian killed fellow iranian and Nigeria Christians still blamed Iran and Islam for doing justice. You guys have serious problems. Many of you just speak just because you have mouth.

AbdulSleeky:
Blasphemy law is religious law. Sharia law. Stop trying to deceive and lie.

For your information, many human rights lawyers in the West are against holocaust laws in principle.

That you compare blasphemy laws to another bad law shows that you already agree that blasphemy law is wrong.

You keep making a clown of yourself

you are speaking up small small. Keep going. I am listening to you. Speak up on Holocaust law. Go ahead

AbdulSleeky:
See this liar! You that supports apostasy laws? Capital punishment for apostasy?

guy, your link testifies against you. The link you posted says young ones are living Islam. Were they killed?

AbdulSleeky:


The Quran is not a constitution. Your argument is dead on arrival.

It was illegal for women to drive in Saudi Arabia up until few years ago. Does that mean that the law makes sense? NO

. This is Saudi Arabia issue. This has nothing to do with Islam. It was about Saudi Arabia. I have told you to use your services below you post.

The same way printing your own version/interpretation of the Quran being illegal makes no sense. In fact, some muslims have made a liberal quran.

senseless

Printing your own version of the constitution in the USA is not illegal. It is your freedom of speech.

Good. Go and publish your version and tell Americans it is their constitution. By publishing your own version means you altered their constitution not just printing it. You will be jailed. Constitution can only be altered by authority. Christians in 1945 altered Qur'an and published their own version.

AbdulSleeky:
Be living in denial. Muslim youths are leaving islam in droves-

https://www.theguardian.com/global/2015/may/17/losing-their-religion-british-ex-muslims-non-believers-hidden-crisis-faith

is this what I asked you?.Who cares about this?. Religion is free. No one prevents anyone from accepting or rejecting Islam. So please stop this foolishness. People come and leave like any other religions. How's this issue?

AbdulSleeky:
The other religions abandoned blasphemy laws because they realised that it is natural to question and criticise. It also makes God look weak if humans are fighting and killing for Him.

Blasphemy laws make no sense at all. You are protecting religion that has no rights. People have rights, not religion.

Do you have sense?. Blasphemy law in Kano is not protecting religion but sacredness of religious figure. What does Holocaust law protects?.

I have told you to think from your head before you talk. Please stop thinking from your anus before you post. Qur'an is constitutional of muslims and world at large. Can you publish your own Qur'an in Saudi Arabia without being jailed?. Can you publish your own version of US Constitution without being jailed?. This is tantamount to treason

AbdulSleeky:
You just made no sense at all.

Why would it be illegal and worthy of arrest for someone print a version of the Quran?

Something is not illegal just because you do not like it.

AbdulSleeky:
I cannot release their info because of how muslims like you take apostasy.

They are nairalanders just like you and I. They are not regular commenters sha.

opuro

true2god:
So you are also one of the sahabas of Ustaz Adegunwa? The guy is not a real muslim because he is a quranist (quran-only muslim) who does not accept the hadith. He is not even in good terms with Ustaz Yusuf Adepoju of ACADIP because of the alleged fraudulent conversion strategy.

how's this your headache?. He never said he doesn't believe in Hadith. He said he rejects Hadith that are in conflict with Quran. Isn't that fair statement?. And how is posting his picture makes me his sahabi?

AbdulSleeky:
Nonsense. All other religions have abandoned blasphemy laws. Both Judaism and christianity have blasphemy on their books but today, they dont enforce it.

That's their prerogative. Just bcus they did mean muslims should follow suit?. Rubbish

AbdulSleeky:
Nonsense

Exactly. When you read truth you get knocked down. It is unfortunate you are not on my whatsapp. I would have sent you many things. Many many things for you to read, watch and listen to what christians have done in nigeria. Maybe then you may understand why North implemented sharia to set them back. Your problem is you don't know what i know. They even got the audacity to write and print Quran of their own christian version in 1945. Where did you ever seen muslims wrote bible?. This is a crime under sharia law. So blasphemy law is law of necessity.

This was the picture published in 1945 by Christians. They used to distribute this book when I was in primary school.

AbdulSleeky:
We are not talking about holocaust.

It shows how empty you are when you cannot defend blasphemy laws on its own merit

No, i dont need to prove it to you on its own merit knowing who you are. I simply had to use simple logic to get you to reason which is holocaust law. Log on internet and you see human right activists fighting harder all these years to repeal holocaust law bcus it is in conflict with freedom of expression and democracy. That's why US rejected the proposal. Yet you have problem with blasphemy law. Nonsense. Law is law. As much as I am against holocaust legislation in Europe and Israel, i can never go there and disobey the law. That's exactly what I am telling you. Neither would i challenge them for their law. I have moral obligation to obey their law regardless of how ridiculous it sounds. If you think you are bigger than law, go to Kano and violate the law and see what happens to you. Again, I dont care who messaged you privately. Thats their prerogative.

To give you quick background on Northern sharia legislation and the so called muslims who messaged you privately, as much northern sharia legislation is not completely islamic but "political sharia", it still serves as deterrent against SW christians and atheists. Sharia legislation was proposed to push back activities of christians Southwest and their blasphemous activities against islam in the 80s and 90s, even way before that as far back as 1945 when Yoruba christians drew caricature of prophet back then given to us in primary school and as a result of their publication in 1994. I have posted their documents here before but you turned blind eye. After Nigeria adopted democratic system of govt in 1999, pastors across the country collected copies of their terror manual called manifesto and removed them from public glare, knowing the consequences pst democracy and sharia north. Their publication would bring them to justice under sharia even under democratic system of govt but it was unfortunately that nigeria was useless from day 1.

No one published such book in western world and not appear before supreme court of justice. Their document was full of hate speeches, threatening messages and blasphemous statements made against islam and muslims in an attempt to cause chaos in the country. Sharia legislation in the north stopped them. Whether you wanna address Holocaust law or not, it is a clear parallel example. You need to stop being lopsided and face the reality. I am fully in support of blasphemy law. The only way to repeal it is for federal govt of Nigeria to un-recognize it, not you. who are you to question the authority?.

AbdulSleeky:
Again, we are not talking about holocaust laws.

Empiree, I must say that I'm enjoying this.

Two muslims have messaged me privately. It seems that they are not happy with the excuses made for the barbaric blasphemy laws in islam.

their business not mine. Law is law. Who cares who messaged you privately?. They aren't gonna be in my grave nor am i gonna be in theirs. Who am i to believe you?. It seems you dont understand a very simple logic. Kano made legislation and you are here challenging their law. Would you challenge ridiculous laws made in western countries?. Anyone living religion because of this does not have integrity to obey simple law. I have given several examples. You can be arrested and charged for simple peeing on the sidewalk in a developed country. This is something you guys take for granted in Nigeria because of lawlessness. So if you are arrested and charged for merely peeing on the street in American for instance, you would think it is ridiculous bcus you never experienced such n your lawless country called nigeria. You are used to bribing your way out. If you think it is ridiculous to pass blasphemy law, then violate the law and see what happens. It is as simple as that. I dont care who leaves islam bcus of this. It is common sense. You can't tell me not to talk about holocaust law. Both have the same consequences. And is it only Kano that has blasphemy law?. Go other some other countries that have same legislation and violate their law. You go see what will happen. Respect the law of the land. Is this difficult to understand?.

All these western countries you are trying to shield had blasphemy law in their history. Why is Nigeria exception?. They still keep the same law but in different version called "hate crime" after separation of church and state.

AbdulSleeky:
Emp,iree, I'm happy that at least two muslims have left islam directly because of your illogical statements towards me. Praise Darwin!!

and who are they?

AbdulSleeky:
1. Do not bring in holocaust laws. We are talking about blasphemy. If you cannot defend it on its own merit, then you are agreeing that it is a useless law.

why not?. Why can't I bring it?. Why is Holocaust law not as "useless" as blasphemy law?. Again, I know your motives. Your problem is hate on its own. Holocaust law was legislated to protect integrity of persecuted semitic people. In the same token, blasphemy law was legislated to protect integrity of the prophet of Islam because he's already the target insult, ridicules and irrational hatred by people who think from their anus.

2. My wikipedia link clearly quotes international human rights lawyers who differentiate between the protection of people from religious persecution and blasphemy

and why is this your stu.pid international lawyers not define and reject Holocaust law on the merit of infringement on freedom of speech?. Denying Holocaust is right of everyone who wishes not to believe in it. Why is it a crime to deny it?. When Iran denied Holocaust over a decade ago entire world including Christians in Nigeria gone up in flames and called for sanction on Iran. But if someone insults prophet of Islam you all claim it is their right. Rubbish.

You have no justification for blasphemy laws and you are scrambling to use other laws to defend it. Your red herrings wont work with me.

blasphemy law is law of the land in kano. You do not have option to challenge law the moment it is legislated. You are not a lawyer in Kano state. Your are just a clown on nairaland. Blasphemy law is legislated in Kano. If you violate the law you must be punished.

The same idea that brought about Holocaust denial law is tantamount to blasphemy law in Kano. Six million dead Jews is considered sacred. So kano considered prophet muhammad sacred. Therefore, it is against the law to say rubbish against this religious figure. Or else, your will be persecuted to the full extent of the law.

Remember it is not only Germany that legislated Holocaust law. It is 7 European countries and Israel. So if you deny Holocaust in israel, wait and see what they would do to you. The punishment is most likely grave in israel than europe. According to Polish article, Holocaust denial is an incitement and hatred against 6 minion dead Jews. So do you see fine line btw the two laws or you are simply blinded by hatred?


It is a crime to insult, ridicule or incite hate speech against prophet muhammad. I will continue to support it against crazy people like you. Law is law my friend. Obey the law or face consequences

AbdulSleeky:
Stop telling lies. Hate speech can only be committed against a person or people not religion. Even your picture contradicts you. See below-

so Holocaust denial is crime against a person, abi?. You see, I know your problem and I have stated it several times. You delebrately avoided to criticize it because it is a "no go area". Who is Holocaust denial commits crime against for denying Holocaust?.

AbdulSleeky:
You can only commit hate speech and hate crimes against a person or people. You cannot commit hate speech by criticising or insulting a religion. There in lies the difference between hate speech and blasphemy.

I showed you definition of hate speech according to US definition. Insulting religion is hate speech. What you don't understand is that western world had separation of church and state. That's why they confused you. Now look at the attachment for definition of hate crime. This contradicts your copy paste. Even your wikipedia copy-paste did not 100% says their is fundamental difference. That's why it says "per se".

This definition therein was the reason indian guy was convicted. He did not physically attack his autistic friend. He only uttered words against him and he got in trouble.

Em piree,, if you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit, then you are acknowledging that it is a useless law.

On what merit is Holocaust denial law is constitutional?. Don't people have right to deny Holocaust is they feel like?. Is that not infringement on freedom of expression?

AbdulSleeky:
So, there is no sanity in countries that do not have blasphemy laws?

Do you see your foolishness?

Recall I told you about hate crimes and hate speech?. They legislated this law against hate crimes and hate speeches. You can be jailed for your utterances against someone if it may leads to injury or death. It is classified under hate speech and I have given you example of indian guy in New York.

How is blasphemy law your concern?.
Every region has their laws and way of life.

I simply used other parallel examples.

That's the only way you can understand knowing how you reason.

There is Yoruba saying:

"Ilu ti ko si ofin, ko si ese. Ti ofin ba wa ese wa". Literally translates, "in a nation where there is no law there is no crime. If there is legislation there is punishment or consequence. Laws are meant to bring sanity to a society.

Deal with it, bro

AbdulSleeky:


How idiotic.


Your kitchen sink approach is very disappointing.

It is telling that you cannot defend blasphemy laws on it's own merit. You have to call other laws.

You cant see how daft your defence is

yongLord:
it's a very interesting thread, i wish it doesn't stop. Sir, U can continue dropping things 4 we learners here, pls

actually continuation or similar thread can be found at "Seeing Angels" thread. You can check that out

yongLord:
continuation from the knowledgeable ones please........

You guys have been trying to resuscitate this thread lol