₦airaland Forum

osazsky:
If America start bombing now them go say na America find trouble.i dont see any difference btw Kano and afganistan....killing innocent soul..trump pls do the needful..Christians are been marginalised we are not an Islamic state

your level of reasoning is off. Your are instigating foreign violence on Nigeria soil this is treason against Nigeria as a country. You should be reported and subsequently arrested for treason. I need to forward your post to authority. Let them track you.

You idiot forgot that the accused is Muslim not Christian. The law doesn't apply to Christians. So why are you taking Tylenol over some else's headache?. Law is law. It is state law. Whether it is right or not is their problem not yours. North is not dragging anyone backwards. Entire Nigeria is shithole including SW. Don't you have citizens lynch criminals to death unconstitutionally without due process in other parts of the country?. What do you call that?. Civilization right?.

Don't forget I will forward your comment (screenshot) to the authority.

You better ignore him. He doesn't think.

haekymbahdx:
The God of the children of Israel is my God, their prophets are also mine and I won't be repling you again for some reasons. If you have any issue with Islam tag empi.ree or antichri.stian.

And for clarity

Allah SWT said:

"And those who do not invoke with Allah another deity or kill the soul which Allah has forbidden [to be killed], except by right, and do not commit unlawful sexual intercourse. And whoever should do that will meet a penalty."
(QS. Al-Furqaan 25: Verse 68)

* Via Qur'an English http://quran-en.com

Hummm, interesting....I guess it is best to avoid it until there is clearance

Aug28th:
Salam Aleikum Warahmotullah Wabarakatuh.
I'm a young muslim looking for means to make a living, albeit in an halal way.

Sometimes last week, I listened to a radio programme where an e-trading expert was invited as a guest
The expert (he) talked at length on the need to have various means of income and how to take advantage of the internet in order make money. I was moved by his brief lecture and I showed interest via the telephone lines he dropped.
I, along with others who showed interest attended their zoom training on Thursday where they talked about shares, indices and stocks, trading of commodities and currencies.

I created an account with them on Saturday and I deposited ₦100,000 as my startup capital.
During my registration, I saw a checkbox that allows Islamic Account and I ticked the checkbox.
We had another training on Monday and that was when I got to know that trading of currencies was another name for forex which I know is 100% Haram but I consoled myself with the fact that I created an Islamic account.
Today, I decided to make a little research about Islamic forex and I couldn't get a concrete info on whether it's halal or Haram, and that's why I'm here on Nairaland, to seek knowledge.
Though, I want to make money but I won't risk my Deen for money.
What's the Islamic view on Islamic forex?
I'll appreciate any help.
Jazakkum llahu khairan

CC;
Rilwayne
Em.piree
AlBa.qir

Walaikum Salaam,

I believe a thread was opened about this before. The thing is, just like Stock market, there is no blanket haram or halal in this trading. They have elements of halal and haram in them. Forex trading is simply trading currency. Where it becomes haram is where exchange rate is determined. For instance, you convert Naira to Dollar , naira loses value. You devalue someone else's hard earned money. This is haram. According to standard definition of Forex Trade, it is the means through which one currency is changed into another. When trading forex, you are always trading a currency pair – selling one currency while simultaneously buying another. You see the business in itself is not haram but activities therein can be problematic. This is what makes 3rd world countries poorer and makes rich countries richer.

Prophet(SAW) taught us about different types of riba. It is said to be 70 types of them. So about this forex trading we can trace similar story in hadith where Nabi(SAW) urged equal trading hand to hand. It is called Riba Al Fadl. It actually means that excess which is taken in exchange of specific homogenous commodities and encountered in their hand-to-hand purchase & sale as explained in the famous hadith: The Prophet said, "Sell gold in exchange of equivalent gold, sell silver in exchange of equivalent silver, sell dates in exchange of equivalent dates, sell wheat- in exchange of equivalent wheat, sell salt in exchange of equivalent salt, sell barley in exchange of equivalent barley, but if a person transacts in excess, it will be usury (Riba). However, sell gold for silver anyway you please on the condition it is hand-to-hand (spot) and sell barley for date anyway you please on the condition it is hand-to-hand (spot).".

This is just a preview. I can only tell you to trade with due diligence. You can make huge profit and and you can also face huge loss as well. This actually makes it halal bcus this is how business should be. One party should not be making money while other party loses all the time Again, there is no blanket Halal or Haram in Stock Market or Forex Trading. It is simply trading and trade is halal. Just watch out what you do there. Explore the world bro. Not everything is haram until it is clear to you otherwise.

And what exactly his country achieved by fighting bogus jihadists created by the same superpowers?. Military needs to use their Might to kick French out of their territory. Their presence created terrorists. It seems your are not well informed about the region.

Few years ago malians took to the streetsl to protest French must leave their country for creating terrorism in the northern part of the country. France insisted it is fighting terrorists. So it is high time they kick out French military from their country. Stop watching too much BBC and CNN. They lie too much

Focusmind:
They will be worse off.
Military regimes comes in the name of salvation army and would later turn to monsters. Agreed that the Civilian president of Abubakar Keita has not done well, but he has attracted international support in his fight against the Al-Qaida in the Maghreb. EU and NATO has some troops stationed there.

Economically, Mali has not fared well same with her other West African States. If not checked, those military boys will be worse.

They should hand over back power to the civilian regime!

Kingspin:
You and your government have no sense.

That is why killing innocent people don't matter to you.

Tell your government to focus on useful things.
No power, no roads, no job( poverty country) no healthcare, in fact, no government in Nigeria.

A country where government act like animals.
They are animals.

But you live there right?. Don't worry. They will soon regulate internet and lock up your ass for saying rubbish

Kingspin:
You tell nonsense.

I didn't read beyond 2nd line

this is indication that you aren't ready to learn for fear of proper being educated. Many Nigerians are used to lawlessness. Govt is trying to do the right thing but you clowns are complaining

Kingspin:
What concern you if I pay tithes? Are you paying tithe?

Don't tell me how I use my money because I have not bomb anybody.


Go to the mosque where they don't pay tithe.

Now, let me tell you what you dont understand. It is govt responsibility to oversee any organization revenue. Money taken from citizens is accounted for. This is govt responsibility around the world. Therefore, churches must be taxed unless where tax relief is given. What govt is trying to do is regulation. It is for your own good but many Nigerians are not used to law and order. If mosques also have revenue they must comply to govt directive. But you think I am being lopsided.

And now you would say your are "Christlike" but your utterances are opposite of that. See highlight?. You lied. If church member "offer" money why does pain pastors so much when criticised for taking tithes?. Why do they mandate tithes on members?. Adeboye even said members will not make heaven if tithes are not paid. Guy, why you dey lie now. Jesus is not pleased with you for lying. We all know tithe payment is a do or die

Kingspin:
Keep Quiet

Church members help offer money to running church activities or build a church.

Are you not a shame to say such.

If Church is business that shouldn't be your headache because they don't bomb people.

Why are Muslims jealous about?

Kingspin:
Stop acting like an insane person.

One Church built even they call it Central one
The rest of the Churches are built by individuals and group

Who builts central mosques in Abuja?
Why is the North budgeting state fund to build mosque instead of school?

How many Southern governors is funding 200 churches?

Did you watch the video at all?. It answered your questions. Also, do mosques earn income?. Mosques do not earn income. They are houses of worship but churches in nigeria are 95% percent business centers. Tell me what most of the pastors do for living besides owing churches?. Churches are business centers because worshippers make monthly payments via tithes.

Kingspin:
Are you El Rufai who after paying terrorists still pretend no knowledge about it?

Below the direct government funded mosques.

https://www.premiumtimesng.com/regional/nwest/368689-jigawa-govt-to-build-95-mosques.html

https://www.dailytrust.com.ng/news/general/sokoto-to-complete-building-of-189-mosques-at-n566m/200058.html

https://www.independent.ng/2020-budget-zamfara-earmarks-n1bn-for-mosques-renovation-of-cemeteries-others/

these are shady websites. First link it doesn't say govt funds it. Second link is nonexistence. Third link is questionable. You know why?. Christians made up same lies about Abuja central mosque, that it was built by federal govt. Watch 10 mins video by Nigerian lady

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aq2CaOv6r7Y

But Abuja central church was built by Obasanjo at the expense of Nigeria treasury. He taxed every state 100 million naira except Lagos and Uzor Kalu state at the time. Abuja central church was built by individuals.

Which mosque built?

Kingspin:
There is everything wrong with it. When you because of Church form amend CAMA.

When the government build million of mosques not the church.
When you destroy the church in the North and they try to rebuild through a donated fund you came up with CAMA

So the church is an NGO while the mosque is a government own.

So why not the government regulate mosque built by the government? Stop state funding of mosques
Why is MUSLIMS SILENT BECAUSE IT NEVER AFFECTED THEM?

But they can put-out from the NBA because of invitation.

athaboi:
FG should first manage their finance before looking for who to help

CAMA is also part of federal process. Get it?. This process is meant to regulate the country properly. I dont know whats wrong with Nigerians. On one hand you want better Nigeria. On the other hand you frown at it when govt begins process. Churches are known for their involvement in politics in recent years. Therefore they must suffer the brunt.

Yobabad:
. Naturally I don't reply decievers and liers like you, you must be a yorubastard local mus.lime I guess

You must be reflection of your parents obviously.

He has finally embraced islam.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zPSXxRfID_g

Yobabad:
That why we said Buhari is Evil, if not that this stupid law is against Christianity He would never sign it into law. I have said it so many times that what matters to Muslims both Hausa fulani or Yoruba Muslims is Islam and not development or betterment of the so called Nigeria.

You are uneducated religious bigot. Read intelligent comment above yours. What the poster above you said was the reason for this not religious discrimination. Get a life, boy.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vn9NrFcv-uw&t=26s

Honestly, this judgement is kangaroo. Even Nigeria general constitution is rubbish. Neither laws has ever persecuted politicians. Both laws are made for the poor.

In the south west, South South, south east etc, they have persecuted poor people for stealing due of hunger while they immunized politicians.

I support law and order to regulate a society but when it is applied irrationally it becomes problem. Nigeria is a confused country

AbdulSleeky:


You are a great example of dunning-kruger effect. You think you are smarter than you really are. Lol

Sick man. I have had my position from the beginning and I never even debated the decision. My argument was blasphemy law in itself which you have problem with. But thank goodness I forced you to admit to that before moving forward.

Bro, you don't have anything to offer. I support blasphemy law but not the judgement bcuz I read how the dude got in trouble.

Business don start again. Back to business post lock down

AbdulSleeky:
You have made a fool of yourself already. No need to argue any longer.

Your cowardly muslim brothers are hiding.

you didnt address my post where I made my final position on the issue. Looks like you have nothing upstairs

AbdulSleeky:
LOW IQ.

Save your nonsense for your fellow fanatics

I knew you would still not be satisfied and you don't even have better explanation to offer. Guess what?

Who cares what your opinion is.

[quote author=AbdulSleeky post=92859051][/quote]you see, let me tell you what you don't understand. In your head you think I support judge's decision. No, I don't but I respect the decision. I support blasphemy law in itself. Laws are meant to regulate community. Without laws there would be chaos.

Blasphemy law actually helped the guy in number of ways. He could have been lynched the way South West people set robbers on fire in jungle justice. So law somewhat helped the guy and he lives. For the fact that he was convicted doesn't mean he will be executed. He has opportunity to appeal and have his conviction turned to lesser punishment.

Matter of fact I have reviewed his alleged crime. It looks like it was mistake. He was emotionally overwhelmed during arguments i believe and he uttered ungodly words against prophet of Islam.

Remember law is law whether you are comfortable with the outcome or not. The way law see a crime is different from how average people see it.

In my opinion, solution is very simple. Appeal his judgement and let him walk free. I do not support death penalty for him. Death sentence should be reserved for unrepentant recurrent violators. Sometimes this people are funded and trained by foreign govt to abuse prophet of Islam. This is what happened a yr ago in Mauritania. Some people were funded and backed by French to blaspheme the prophet. They were caught and sentenced to death. After series of pleads and outcries they were sentenced to jail.

I hope this guy lives through this and mind his utterances in the future but I am in full support of blasphemy law. It is meant to check people.

AbdulSleeky:
See hypocrite!

So you are now defending blasphemy against prophet Isa?

it is impossible for a Muslim to blaspheme nabi Isa (as). What you dugged up was in a debate.

Food For Thought - Be careful of religious 419

AbdulSleeky:
Empiree,

You are a hypocrite. So here you are arguing for blasphemy laws and you are here committing blasphemy!! You should be arrested and sentenced to death for insulting prophet Isa (Aka christian Jesus)


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Told you that you ran out of idea. So it took you 24hrs to dig up 5yrs old post against me?. Now tell me, what's my crime in the post?.

movado19:
Yes, I reached out to them twice but no feddback.

Problem we have with MOD these days. They are less active unlike before.

The region still never changed. Brazil is more worse now

Queenlovely:
I hate burials for Christ sake, especially that condolence things.

a while back in March 1980 , I visited Elsalvador to educate a bunch of youths against gangsterism, the ms13 gang the most dreaded gang, opened fire in church that day killing the archbishop of EL Salvador Óscar Arnulfo Romero, he died before my very eyes, there was commotion everywhere, people were hiding for cover,

I wept that month and ate nothing, I emancipated and anorexia set in, Today I am ok but I will never forget that day

Yankee101:
This should be illegal

freedom is not free my friend. You must pay the price for irrational utterances. It is high time internet, radio and television stations regulated. It is too much.

I am also pleading to politicians too to be upright and deal judiciously with corrupt politicians.

Shikena

AbdulSleeky:
LOW IQ

you are out of idea. I know exactly how to deal with Christians, Atheists and chritheists

Oh now you wanna defend Holocaust law? You should have remained silent on it because I wanted to give my view today about Kano. I haven't given my final view on it yet. But since you came up with this trash to defend Holocaust law which in actual sense infringes people's right to freedom of expression, then, I'm sorry buddy, Kano state blasphemy penal code law is here to stay. Period. It was approved by the federal republic of Nigeria. You either respect it or violate the law and you get punished. This is why I don't give in to you guys.

If you still want me opinion on Kano you need to stop defending blasphemy and holocaust law in Germany.

Stop your double standards. It doesn't work with

AbdulSleeky:
1. As usual, you bring a bad law ( holocaust laws) to defend barbaric islamic laws on blasphemy. Two wrongs can never be a right. It like a thief saying that he is stealing because someone else is greedy.

2. Secondly, you are comparing apples to oranges as the holocaust laws are very different from the blasphemy laws. 6 million jews died, thousands of Russians died and thousands of british men died in the war. Is it surprising that it is a touching issue? The idea behind the law is to stamp out any single form of Nazism/racism. The law is an overreaction of course and should not be used. Then to compare this to a religion trying to block all criticisms through blasphem laws is quote silly.

3. Unlike fanatic, barbaric muslims like you, there are many European organisations and people fighting for the repeal of holocaust laws. Are you fighting against blasphemy laws? NO. But Europeans are fighting against holocaust laws. Many European countries dont even have holocaust laws. America does not have it as well.



If you dont know, many of your fellow muslims see you as a dumb fellow. Didnt saucyxo imply that you spout nonsense when trying to defend islam?

Using one bad law to defend another bad law.

and stop comparing Europe, Africa, middle east etc.. They are not homogeneous people. Please stop it. There are state laws in US that differ from each other. Don't worry about fellow Muslims. Level of understanding and exposures are different.

In Florida they have "stand your ground law". This law is actually jungle justice. In New York, you may be arrested and fined or jailed for drinking beer in public which you take for granted in Nigeria. Problem with Nigeria is that your are not regulated. That's why you do anything your want and however you want. That's why many Nigerians easily get into trouble in Western world because majority of you are not used to obeying laws. So there are so many laws and they must be respected.

You hear me?.


Kano blasphemy law does not contradict federal law in as much federal government recognizes it. Then what's your fuss about that?. If federal govt did not approve it then it is inappropriate. So please stop crying over spilled milk. US Constitution allowed Florida stand your ground law. Regardless of how crazy the law is it is legal. You have your ill feelings for Islam is primarily reason you are saying all this. It is clear from your posts. If you had been sincerely neutral I would have given you my final opinion.