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RomanianNinja:is it not obvious that your pastors, bishops, clergies etc teach you nothing but pure hatred?. And later you would tell us how your Jesus is "loving and forgiving"?. But your utterances are exact opposite?. I can see how much "christlike" you are. You have absolutely no right to preach love and peace. Fake people. * We have evidences of Christian fanatism and extremisms in Nigeria. * How they destroyed Nigeria economy which many are suffering from today. * We have written and documented evidences of Christian authority in Nigeria called for death and destruction of Muslims in the country and around the world. So you are free to run your mouth. |
It is simple bro. You can simply disassociate yourself from them and what they stand for. If you disagree then, why in the world they think they have right to accuse all Muslims because of action of a few?. When I raised fanatical acts of Christian authority in Nigeria calling for killing and death of Muslims, he said that's old. What the heck?. His statement got on my nerves. elijahkayode: |
greencard:guy, shut d Bleep up. It was stupid question asked by a whole country's leader directed at country leader. It was very disrespectful. Who was he talking to?. His child?. Did he not see Muslims being killed too?. What the heck is wrong with you?. Can you guys learn from Iraq, afghanistan, Syria to see that Trump was trying to cause religious conflicts?. Why are you kiriyo so ridiculously silly?. The dude is playing gymnastics with you and you fell for it. You think he cares about Christians in Nigeria?. But you. A chronic fanatic is bringing up old garbage to justify loss of life's..old garbage?. You called Christian fanaticism old garbage?. You called Christian threats against their Muslim neighbors old garbage?. This is height of fanaticism. Why do the America continues to mourn 9/11?. Is that old garbage?. They remember it because it hurts them. The same way Christian leaders in Nigeria published hate speech that could cause civil and religious war in Nigeria but muslims never fought them and you are here talking nonsense. What exactly they teach you people in your Bible schools?. It is obvious they teach you guys to hate. I repeat, Christians destroyed Nigeria economy and moral fabrics. Evidences abound. Look at bbnj too. Majority of those clowns attribute themselves to Christianity and engage in live porn in public. I am sure your Jesus must be cursing you guys. |
greencard: RomanianNinja:Two pieces of garbage. So you are not aware of your Christian authority documents published in 1994 and backed by UK, US and Israel?. Why do you think Christians are the only victims of everyone?. I have posted some of the documents on nairaland platform before. Check my profile to read for yourselves and stop being foolish on social media. Christianity destroyed Nigeria economy. This is a fact. You can portray yourselves as the victims all you want. We know the drill. Question asked by Trump was very foolish. I was going to vote for him this election but with what I just read I changed my mind now. |
Which Christians are being killed in Nigeria?. I don't get it. It is meant to stare political and religious unrest in the country?. Maybe we should go back to the memory lane where Christian hate speeches were glorified. Hate speeches made by Christian authority that called for killings of Muslim leaders in Nigeria and around the world. This was published in 1994 and was backed by Trump's country. Anytime they portray Christians as the victims know that they have agenda. "Killing christians" my foot |
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You dont make sense like those that have been replying. oyatz:Let's see who is ignorant 1) Kano State Government does NOT approval of the federal government to enact laws within their State.Does this make sense to you?. You need to return to 1999 and read all over again. You think Kano would operate Sharia law alongside federal constitution without federal awareness?. If it is not recognized why did it exist for more than 20yrs without obstruction from legal practitioners? The Shari'ah laws were enacted by 12 Norther States during Obasanjo's first tenure.So?. So Sharia Law bypassed Obj, abi?. Your statement here just confirmed it was recognized by federal authorities in his regime. 2) These laws are inconsistent with the Constitution which forbid States from adopting any religion as an official religion.Go and challenge them. The same constitution that allowed Obasanjo regime to fund central church in Abuja is the same law that permitted Sharia. In reality, the enactment and adoption of Shari'ah laws by the 12 States mean these States have succeeded from Nigeria.This is where you messed up. If it means the 12 Northern states succeeded by virtue of adoption of Sharia law, then why are you guys crying over what doesn't concern you?. You have said these 12 state are not part of Nigeria but you are nigeria. So what's your business with them then?. Why are you condemning the law then? 3) The constitutionality of these religious Laws have not been challenged in the court because of sentimental reasons.Then, this is beyond you. Only solution is christian should also adopt biblical law from Old testament instead of yelling up and down. Are you a christian?. 4) The Constitution does NOT forbid individual citizens, including political Office holders from practicing in religions, so I don't know where you get your ideas that the constituency does not recognize religions.You are teaching me this?. Don't skip real issue. I dont have problem with this. You are the second person to say this while ignoring important point I raised. I said Obasanjo forced all Nigeria states to contribute 100 million naira to build Abuja central church. Is this not in violation of the same 1999 constitution you are defending?. By funding a church by federal govt it means govt recognized christianity. 5) The Musician should appeal the evil death sentence upto the supreme court.Now you're talking. This is what I have been pushing you guys to do but you are condemning the law itself. Anyways, the guy is already appealing his case. The Shari'ah is only for the poor and the Constitution is the supreme rule in Nigeria.Has Nigerian constitution ever persecuted govt officials since 1999?. Yet they have sent many poor people to jail. You see you just applied sentiment here too yet you said they could not challenge sharia law bcus of sentiment. All politicians accused of corruption have evaded justice from Nigerian constitution. So fact is both Constitution and Kano state penal code are for the poor. None have been effectively applied to corrupt politicians. This is why i said Nigeria is a joke. Note that Kano state sharia law is not Sharia that came with islam. Their sharia is "political sharia" not sharia of islam bcus it is not overall. My stance however is that, if govt passed a law, it is a law. Law is law that must be obeyed. Violator is punished. This is my position. If you live in advanced country and you violate the law, even if the law is stupid they will punish you for violating the law. This is why I gave you guys example of Florida state "Stand Your Ground Law".
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TheDestroyer:Gbam |
Timekeeper:Gbam |
boookworm:Good for you, bro. But I know what am talking about. |
oyatz:You guys keep saying this over and over but this rubbish doesn't help the guy. You are all just showing irrational emotions instead of facing the reality. Reality is, you need to ask yourself question. Do you think Kano enacted this penal code without federal govt consent?. I dont dispute the fact that president is supreme authority which is federal law. But did you ask yourself why Obasanjo regime approved blasphemy law adopted by at least 12 Northern states??.. You think Kano operates on its own?. There was a reason the law was passed. Let me tell you guy just one of the very reasons that I know to show you that your so called constitution doesn't recognize religion is a lie from pit of hell. Northern Sharia law was adopted to impede influence of christianity up north during 4th republic. In the Southwest, Christianity was funded by foreign govts from 1989 to year 2000 to end islam in nigeria. If you were old enough in the 90s to recognize series of events back then you should seen so many christian activities all over nigeria mainly SW, SE, SS. This agenda was supported by clergymen and political leadership (christians). They "captured" or "dominated" southwest with their propaganda at height of new democratic govt. In their manifesto (published by Christian Association Of Nigeria) they called for death of muslim leaders in Nigeria and around the world. So Northern state quickly adopted Sharia Law started by the then governor of Zamfara state Ahmed Sani Yerima. Despite having many muslims leaders in govt in the 90s like IBB, Abacha, Abubakr etc, none of them had any agenda against christianity. Why would christians publish a book filled with so much hate speeches?. By year 2000 they quickly removed the book from the public knowing that it could have legal consequences but it was too late. So it was around 1999, 2000 that Nigeria had a new democratic elected president Obasanjo that Abuja central church was built by state money. Obasanjo tasked all Nigeria states 100 million naira to build central church you see in Abuja today. Only two state refused. Lagos (Tinubu) and Abia (Orji Uzor Kalu). They claimed they were not christians. But all Northern sharia states contributed money towards church fundings. If constitution does not recognize religion how dare Obasanjo built or completed Church at the expense of Nigerian treasury?. But Abuja national mosque was built by donations. I repeat, Nigeria is not a secular country. It is secular country only on paper not practical. So stop saying Sharia law contradicts federal law. Sharia Law serves as customary law parallel to common law. State of Florida passed "Stand Your Ground Law" which is euphemism of jungle justice. But it is also in conflict with federal law. Isnt?. Go and beg Kano court, lawyers and governor and stop constituting nuisance online. |
SoccerUSA:Truly you didnt. I am talking from perspective of the other end. |
SoccerUSA:I'm not talking about time they have. I mean they do not have the capacity financial wise. Be sincere, nobody just wants to say "hello" from back home without demanding something. This is a fact. It is very rare for someone in Nigeria to just wanna greet you or see how your are doing. America or Europe without asking for financial favor |
yellowman2225:Quote me where I wanted the guy killed?. Majority of you don't read to understand. You are blinded by hatred and emotion. I said several times that I only defended the law. To defend the law is different from supporting the judgement. I simply said the law is valid and law is law. I gave my view on going about rescuing the guy and pleading to the authority and filling appeal in court because I understand it is against the law to blaspheme. But majority of you people are of the opinion that the law is invalid which I opposed. I opposed because the law is recognized by state and federal govt. Therefore, what needed to be done is to go through legal process by filling appeal. By reaching out to politicians and political activists to plead to Kano state. This is the right way to rescue the guy which I have pointed out severally but many of you are just talking on the internet about invalidity of the law which doesn't help the guy. Despite your noise, all lawyers in charge, jury and governor decide his fate but you people are just talking online which would never stop authority from carrying out death penalty. I cited series of examples how to deal legally with a case like this to help the guy have his judgement vacated or reduced. So what I have been saying is exactly what his lawyers are doing by filling appeal. But you guys are yelling here doesn't help. So how did I want him executed?. Besides, this is not about Qur'an. It is you guys that keep talking from religious lense. I simply maintained that this is State law but you guys keep condemning religion which means majority of you don't understand how legal process works. Just because he's sentenced to die doesn't mean death penalty would be carried out. There is room for appeal or pardon. So please don't misrepresent my position. What am I going to do with his death?. Do I gain anything from it?. So my point all along was that you must recognize the law. Bow to the law and then follow necessary legal steps to help the guy. This is what I have been saying. Blasphemy law is valid until govt decides to repeal it. Sharia is only meant for oppression of the poor inghe North.Has common law constitution helped Nigerians?. Have common citizens not jailed for petty crimes?. What about a case of a guy who was sentenced to 5 yrs in prison for stealing bread in Lagos some years ago?. Don't you have corrupt politicians in other parts of the country?. Stop your trash. There are injustices across the board. Fayose is from south west and many Southwest politicians have evaded criminal and civil cases. But poor people are at the bottom of the spectrum. So my point is wherever country or state you find yourself always respect the law. If you violate the law, don't cry about invalidity of the law. Law is law. Ganduje was caught collecting dollars on camera, Sharia should have made him lose his arms albeit. All those drug abusers in the North that drinks codeine like water are still roaming freely on the street while you destroy alcohols that's legally produced in Nigeria. Yet you collect vat from same company to develop your state! Is that not hypocrisy? 0How does this helps situation on ground? |
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` Agbegbaorogboye:which means Jesus(p) has nothing to do with christians and christianity. He was sent to a set of people, the Jews. Interestingly you admitted Old Laws are still valid till today. You admitted Jews did not fulfil the Laws and they have shamelessly abandoned the Laws. Yet you claimed they are "chosen people". How are they "chosen people" from God if they don't abide by His Laws. How do you resolve this obvious contradictions of yours? You're reading it as you guys do the Quran, expecting to be saved by your deeds. Romans 8:1 shows that Jesus Christ is all that is needed to fulfill the law, not necessarily doing all that is in it because as it is obvious from this Aminu matter and others, it is humanly impossible to fulfill all the laws.Who is talking in Romans 8:1?. It is only God that the Right to say this about Jesus but Romans was written by Paul. Paul did not have authority to say this. His words are invalid. Paul himself admitted to have lied in the same book of Romans. "If the truth of God has been spread by my lie, then why am I judged a sinner." Romans 3:7 So Paul admitted he lied to propagate his religion (christianity). Why do you think sensible human beings should believe him? It is funny to note you refer to the death sentences in the Bible as despicable whereas that of the Quran which is a copycat of the Bible's is acceptable to you. Is that not hypocrisy?Show us in the Quran where Quran copied Bible?. Show us death sentence in the Quran apart from murder?. The only death sentence in the Quran is in the case of murder which is universal law. Show us in the Quran where it says to kill someone for insulting their parents?. Show us in the Quran where it says to kill whoever blasphemes God?. Show us in the Quran it says to kill cheaters?. Show us int he Quran where it says to kill adulterers?. All these are mentioned in your Bible yet you said Quran copied from Bible. If you don't show us these evidences then you're a liar like Paul, the founder and rector of christianity. Does Quran looks like it was authored by people?. Check this out And this Quran is not such as could be forged by those besides Allah,... Q10:37 Does this sounds like Paul, Mathews, Mark, Luke and John? |
Agbegbaorogboye:you didn't provide proof |
Nightstalker:if you have active email you can pm me. I will forward it to them |
You actually feel like you made sense, right?. Evidences abound in your New Testament that you must follow old laws. If you are not bound by old laws, how dare you only picked tithes from old laws and abandoned other old laws?. You picked and chose what pleased you. There is no evidence in New Testament that suggest old laws are redundant. Unfortunately Jesus himself was not sent to you. He doesn't know you guys. He was sent ONLY to the Jews. New Testament is a fabricated theory. If you truly want to be "Christlike" you must follow old laws from A to Z. The Laws stand. Your parallel comparison between 1960 and 1999 constitution is really bogus attempt to shield yourselves. So, No, Jesus Did Not Soften the Old Testament–In Fact He Did the Opposite. These are few examples in the New Testament to prove old laws are still valid. “It is easier for Heaven and Earth to pass away than for the smallest part of the letter of the law to become invalid.” (Luke 16:17) “Did not Moses give you the law, and yet none of you keepeth the law” (John7:19) “Do not think that I have come to abolish the law or the prophets. I have come not to abolish but to fulfill. Amen, I say to you, until heaven and earth pass away, not the smallest part or the smallest part of a letter will pass from the law, until all things have taken place.” (Matthew 5:17) So by so doing, punishment for blasphemy according to your Bible is..... One who blasphemes the name of the LORD shall be put to death; the whole congregation shall stone the blasphemer. Aliens as well as citizens, when they blaspheme the Name, shall be put to death. (NRSV) — Leviticus 24:16 Not only this. There are more laws to carry out. Cheaters Must Die If a man commits adultery with another man’s wife—with the wife of his neighbor—both the adulterer and the adulteress must be put to death. (NIV) — Leviticus 20:10 Dishonoring parents is something very common in christiandom. They brought this modern civilization that disrespects and insults people. Bible says Anyone who dishonors father or mother must be put to death. Such a person is guilty of a capital offense. (NLT) — Leviticus 20:9 People Who Work on Sunday Should be Killed You have six days each week for your ordinary work, but the seventh day must be a Sabbath day of complete rest, a holy day dedicated to the LORD. Anyone who works on that day must be put to death. (NLT) — Exodus 35:2 There are many more despicable death sentences in your Bible. Yet you got the nerve to criticize Islam. You are bound to follow and apply old laws. If you fail to do so you are not christlike. egobetatoday: |
SoccerUSA:Don't take his post personal. Your friends are going through shit in US beyond their imaginary America pre-travel. In another word, they are now facing reality abroad. Mo ja e si ni ooo Ire oooo |
And you Christians and atheists up there, please respect op's opinion and choice to choose. Please stop constituting nuisance on this platform. |
Bros, nothing to worry about. If your heart chooses Islam, simply read more about Islam from reliable sources. Move close to Muslims. Don't worry about media propaganda. They are on a mission. We can careless about them. They are irrelevant as far as I'm concerned I believe you live in south west?. If you don't mind let me introduce you to a Muslim group that will work you through. They are on Facebook, WhatsApp and YouTube. The more you listen to them the more you will not be able to resist Islam. So let me know by replying to this post. Thanks Nightstalker: |
Farki:common sense is lost |
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Farki:And how does this helps the case of kano guy?. You need to stop your emotional outburst and face the reality. State can make laws. This is not federal but kano state. I have given example of Florida's "Stand Your Ground Law" which is tantamount to jungle justice. Is that not in conflict with US constitution?. In this kind of law if you argue with CCW and you push or touch him and he feels threatened, he has the right to kill you. This is what the law means. I am trying to educate you now but you are dickhead. ![]() |
Farki:Go and tell obasanjo. You dont maKE SENSE. |
WiLdFLame:If is it too harsh it doesn't mean the guy will be executed. Honestly, this is a very educated thread. Perhaps you guys should have learned from me a little. I am not a lawyer nor a law student but I discovered many of you people that commented are unintelligent or unaware of how law works. I tried to explain several times but you guys are blinded by hatred. Sorry if the way i sound offends you. I will try to explain how it works one more time. What you guys witness with respect to blasphemy law in Kano is the same process worldwide. I will use US law as a case study. It is normal for a law to state if someone commits xyz crime, it is in the constitution where it says section xyz is punishable offence by death penalty, 20yrs, 40, 50yrs in prison etc. But it doesnt mean if the person is found guilty he would get actual penalty mentioned in the constitution. So let me give you example. In US if someone commits 1st degree murder it attracts death sentence. But then they review mental status of the person. If found to be mentally unstable he gets 45 to life in prison which means there is possibility he will get out of prison on probation in some years to come. If he doesn't have mental problem it is death sentence or 30 yrs in prison. Now, remember there is trial which takes months or years while accused is remanded in prison. After trial, let's say his lawyer really tried a lot, lawyer can get him 15 yrs at sentencing. Final sentence may come 2yrs after initial trial. By the time he is sentenced, judge and jury will deduct time served from his 15 yrs sentence and he has 13 left. Same thing is true of death sentence. If a person is sentenced to death at final trial, he is not killed right away. It takes 20 yrs before actual execution takes place. Within that 20yrs his lawyer will continue to file appeals.. There will be trials and mistrials and finally at final trial he may either be sentenced to death or life in prison. So there is enough time for legal process. It is not about yelling on the internet that solves the problem. It is by working with defence lawyers, govt lawyers, activists and so on. This is the way to help the guy. But many of our NL comments are trying to ridicule the law. That's not gonna work. Let me give you one more example. In New York around 2013-2015, a guy from india commited a crime. Guess what his crime was?. His crime was something you people in Nigeria easily take for granted and it cost him 10 yrs in prison plus he would lose his green card and get deported after serving prison. This is the law according to constitution . Let me elaborate. According to US constitution, a US citizen that commits crime goes to prison. After serving time he is released and back to community. illegal alien who commits crime serves his time and gets deported. It is crime anyway for being in the country illegally in the first place. Lastly, this is where i am going. Someone who is in USA legally but he is a green card holder or permanent resident, if he commits a crime that attracts 10 yrs or more he will serve 10yrs or more. After he is released, his green card will be revoked and he will be deported. This is the law. But at the same time, govt does bend the rule especially if the accuse shows compassion and feels guilty about his crime. But bottom line is according to the constitution. Anything else is not guaranteed. So this Indian guy was a green card holder and his crime was simply his words that cost him 10yrs in prison. This is a warning to all of you that condemned blasphemy law. To blaspheme means you say something ungodly in violation of the law. Not that you kill or touch someone. It is just your words. So this indian guy said something to his autistic friend that led to his friend to hang himself. It is just normal jokes btw friends. That was it. He didnt know it is against the law. Now i don't think you have a law like that in nigeria. You people say anything to anyone at anytime without consequences of your words. Anyways, the guy was investigated, arrested, tried in court and was sentenced to 10yrs in prison. He is permanent resident in America. At sentencing, his mother was there. She cried her eyes out. She sought help from activists, legal practitioners, some lawmakers and fellow americans to help her. She didnt go on the internet to talk down the law which many of you guys are doing. How does this help the guy in Kano?. . This woman knows what her son would lose, The guy would serve 10yrs. After 10yrs, he gets to have his green card revoked and then deported. You know how painful this is?. Many people rallied around her. They called on officials to help her. She actually slapped her son in public while he was handcuffed. She didnt condemn the law was too harsh. She recognized the law is the law. What she needed was to humble herself to get help for her son. So at sentencing, of course many pleads went underground from lawmakers and political activists and when jury got to court, he was sentenced to 15 months. By the time they minus time he was already locked up during trial, he only had a month plus to be free. You see what am talking about?. So right there in court he was told that if jury had pronounced 10yr jail for him he is finished. So you see what I am talking about now?. This is the same in Kano. The guy was on trial for at least 2 yrs since I heard about his case which means Kano followed legal process. But you citizens on NL are complicating everything by condemning the law. You will just provoke governor to sign death warrant like that. So it doesn't work the way many of you are going about it. It works by appealing the case and getting political figures to plead to the authority. You can not be cursing governor, police, court and lawyers or the law. This is very disrespectful and it doesn't help anyone. Some Igbo people even drew caricature of Kano governor. This was not necessary at all. This is provocation. So death sentence doesn't mean he will be executed. Death sentence is last option. You can't argue with law except through legal process. But many misunderstood me that I wanted the guy dead. What kind of stupidity is that?.So the way to help the guy is follow his appeal. Many of you should respectfully write Kano governor, govt lawyers and garner political support to plead to the governor. This is how it works. Thanks for reading |
Farki:So you have not received sense in everything i said?. Who talks about killing?. I have been talking about validity of the law. I am really disappointed in many of you nigerians. I thought they said you guys are educated?. Many of you that commented on this topic are very unintelligent. |
Evercurious:Well this is a question for the government not me. |
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