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Cheers01:
So Muslims are the ones that drink beer in Kano?

You are lacking intellectually....

Your point exactly is.....?

Are you saying there are no Muslim drinkers?. What if this destruction of beer bottles have nothing to do with religion but the state did it for precaution purposes?. Why did you have to attach Islam and Muslims with this when the article itself said nothing about this?.

^^^

"Until, when he reached the setting place of the sun, he found it setting in a spring of black muddy (or hot) water. And he found near it a community...."

The phrase "reach the setting (place) of the sun" creates the first doubt concerning this verse. One does not reach the setting of the sun, or setting place of the sun. This is either poor language or poor understanding of cosmos.

Perhaps, you lack linguistics comprehension?. Did you watch a video that recently surfaced this Ramadan on Facebook from Norway where the imam was talking about how the sun doesn't set year round?. You should be able to find it on YouTube. (See screenshot)

It was actually around midnight but the sun doesn't set. He said something like the sun behind him is about to touch the mountain. It is called "midnight sun". The imam showed us the Moon on the West side and Sun on the North side simultaneously. And he cited Quranic verse in surah kahf that you quoted with respect to ZulQurnain(as).

My point here is that imam said the Sun touches the mountain. But in reality, the sun doesn't. It is far far from the mountain itself. This is similar to what this Ayah is saying. I urge you to look for the video on YouTube. It is 7 minutes long. I am afraid you are in the edge and falling off. What you said regarding this Ayah is what evangelical CHRISTIANs have tried many times to use against muslims and you are doing the same. You are heading the wrong direction, man. Rejecting a verse is tantamount to kufr base on what you said. But not understanding a verse is not kufr but comprehension problem. At this point I don't know which one of the two you are suffering from. You are on the edge of cliff, buddy.

The second picture was taken in NYC. The sun is literally behind the buildings where it sets. That's the setting of the sun on the Westside of New York City.

Cheers01:
Oppression.

Kano stopping non muslims from drinking beer.

You added "non muslims" but the article didn't say that.

Dreydoe:
EMPIRE

QUESTION 4.(II)
I think you should rephrase the question, it seems very unclear sir.

Empiree:
Question 4

ii. What is the name of individual who was sent to Assyrians?.


If more people come forward to make the same claim, then, your concern will be considered. But I want to know where it's not clear?

I changed my mind and decided to relax this question brother asked me to rephrase. Therefore the question doesn't change but for clarity, i have rephrased it below



Question 4


ii. What is the name of individual who was sent to guide Assyrian people?.

true2god:
Maybe you deliberately choose not to watch the video so that it will not weaken your faith as advised by Mohammed. If you take time to watch many of his videos, which I have done, maybe your opinion will shift. However, because of your arrogance, you may not like to watch it so that you will not have any reason to doubt your false prophet Mohammed; you may chose to remain in your fantasy world created by Mohammed and polished by Imam Bukhari.

smh... i have been watching him the very first day he announced his renunciation of islam. I have decided after watching many of his other videos that shaytan is playing prank inside his brain.

His first video talked about why he left Islam. Another of his video talked about Mohammed and zainab (the wife of his adopted son, zaid). You will also a video he made on hafs, warsh and durin (I don't think I get the spelling) Quran. He also made video on how Muslims have been attacking him online after he left Islam, some threatening to kill him as recommended by Mohammed. This is the same people that were shouting 'Allahu Akbar' when he joined the fold of the ummah. That's Islam anyway.

Do i need a story from you?. I watched everything and you are free to believe whatever you want. He even went to mosque to make fun inside house of God. Foolish him. Please, he is irrelevant to me at this point. I see no reason to talk about him.

true2god:
You are not a good student of law and logic. If I present you a fake 1 dollar bill and you, as a banker, identified the money as a fake, you need to present me an original bill to show me that the money I wanted to deposit is fake. If I present a forged check, for payment in a bank, the bank, upon identifying the check as fake, will arrest me for forgery. If I try to claim innocence, the bank will not present me a book to tell me that the check is fake. They will present me a similar check for us to compare with the fake on my hand. That's how an organized setup works. The bank will not ask me to present an original check again, knowing fully well that i want to defraud them. They will show me an original check to confirm that what I presented is forged.

Fake man See as you are trying to copy my logical deduction?. In Ghanaian accent, it is not gonna werk

The onus is on who makes a claim is to present an evidence. The Muslims make a claim that the current Bible is distorted, although you will agree with the verses that does not contradict your Quran, so it is Muslims that need to provide the REAL bible that was not distorted. This is just commonsense.

Irrefutable fact is that you have multiple contradicted Bibles And I have pointed out Luke 1:2 as a case study but you snubbed all the time. For record, Luke said;



"Even as they delivered them unto us, which from the beginning were eyewitnesses, and ministers of the word;"


Question: who are they?

who were the eyewitnesses?

Obviously these were unknown people and Luke confessed that he was not even actual witness of the events which shows that he was a mere historian. He had no certain knowledge about Jesus and who Jesus was. This is just one of the many discrepancies Quran talks about and you are still asking me to presented your original Bible after this clear evidence of distortion?

You said Allah named the Quran by himself, including the surah (such as ant, table, donkey, camel, etc). In order words Allah inspired Uthman ibn Affan, the owner of the current Quran, to name each ayah after an ant, a table, a donkey, a cow, etc. And, you thinking you are dealing with kids, claimed that the 'surah cow: was in reference to the golden calf, kindly provide a proof. Pls provide a prove for his your sensational and smart claim

What is these jagbajagba all about?. Allah is the author of the Quran. Only Allah Can Author the Quran


"And it was not [possible] for this Qur'an to be produced by other than Allah, but [it is] a confirmation of what was before it and a detailed explanation of the [former] Scripture, about which there is no doubt, from the Lord of the worlds." Sura 10:37



"Absolutely, we have revealed the reminder, and, absolutely, we will preserve it."[Q15:9]



Proof of Divine Authorship



Why do they not study the Quran carefully? If it had been from [any] other than Allah, they would have found within it much contradiction. [Sura 4:82]



All these proves, that Quran is from Allah. Everything in Quran is from Allah. The name of suras, the words of verses, the numbers assigned to the chapters and verses. Every single word is from Allah.

sagenaija:
I can see that you are facinated by Arabic.
Infact you must think it's the language of paradise.

Well, it is language Quran was revealed. Therefore, Quran is in arabic

But "genius" can't you see that you're missing something here in this out conversation?

You may point it out. Maybe i missed by accident

Femilekan233:
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Could you make video proof of this vehicle and pay it here?. This might be something I wanna get. Thanks

1. Why Menstruation?[/b]

According to Islam & other theistic faith, menses is impure. A woman in menses shall not fast, pray or go near the mosque. Yet, God designed women with menstruation.

you brought this up some 5 years ago, isn't?

It is bcuz menstruation is continuous for days and it doesn't give notice. Ask women.

It is a means of emitting what would have turned out to be incurable diseases.


Allah Knows Best

Jarus:
I thought that was the question I asked in my original post?

I decided to trouble you, you know?. But since you have an idea, how does it work exactly?. I used to read their posts at the time but i didnt pay much attention. Do you simply have people who contributed funds fisabilillah and paid restaurant that services a masjid or what?

Jarus:
This is Jarus. And the relationship between Jarus and Jarus Hub is stated in the comment up there.

Got you. Just wanted clarification. So why did the program stop?

Alhajiemeritus:
Empiree
Question 3(I)
Do you mean other planets?

it is just planet as the question stated not "other planet"

JARUSHUB:
Jarus, CEO of JarusHub.

are you the same jarus I know from years back?. If so, seems you modified your moniker Jarus + HUB

sagenaija:
For example:
Chapter 3:146
Hafs - "And how many a prophet FOUGHT, with whom were many worshippers of the Lord"

Warsh - "And how many prophets WERE KILLED, with whom were many worshippers of the Lord"

Now, "FOUGHT" is definitely not the same as "WE'RE KILLED". So, which one was "perfectly preserved"?

now this is what I was expecting you to do. Clap for yourself.

Now let's see.

You have just successfully wow English translation. English translation or any language is not Qur'an but simply translations.


"FOURTH or WERE KILLED" are placed in parentheses. Which means they are subjectives.


Here is Qur'an in Arabic and it is the same everywhere in Arabic. Look at underlined Qo ta la means to kill depending on how it is used in a sentence. It also means fight, fought etc either in present or past tense. All depends on how it is used or constructed in a sentence. Not all our most the translations pointed to same thing. But in Arabic, it is same Qo ta la

So I'm saying you should bring different arabic wordings from another Arabic Quran not English because English is not Qur'an. So you are still unsuccessful trying to find fault.

Arabic it's the original. Translations are not. If at any time we have problems with translations we go back to Arabic Quran. But you on the other hand have nothing to fall back on.

So the fact here is that different translators of that Ayah still have is same idea but the wording in Arabic as it was revealed will never change.


Matter of fact, I just seen another translation by another translator used "COMBAT" instead of "FOUGHT". They still mean the same thing.

It is still a lose lose situation for you

sagenaija:
So, are you saying that all these "different methods of Qirat (recitations)" of the Koran exist as a SINGLE book with Allah or the different methods were created only on earth? And Allah chose to reveal ALL OF THEM only in Arabic? What of the other languages?

Quran was revealed only in Arabic and it is one.

sagenaija:
Remember, the ORIGINAL of the Koran exists with Allah in heaven.

don't be daft now. You are looking for excuses. Quran that was preserved on tablets in heaven is the same one we have.

Dreydoe:
EMPIRE

QUESTION 4.(II)
I think you should rephrase the question, it seems very unclear sir.

Question 4

ii. What is the name of individual who was sent to Assyrians?.


If more people come forward to make the same claim, then, your concern will be considered. But I want to know where it's not clear?

sagenaija:
What disservice?

Post which screenshots?
Up there I posted the Red Flags of Islam one after the other with the references and what did you do to it? Nothing. Because you were caught.
Now you are here asking for screenshots. Remember I am the “zombie” and you are the “genius”?

You sure have a funny way of avoiding issues. You have mastered DEFLECTION. Next you will claim that because I didn’t post the screenshots that is why you didn’t respond. You will then celebrate your “victory”.

If you have watched the guy like you claim, then it means you must know what he said. So, why not take those points one by one and refute them if you can?

Is the matter not simple enough for the “genius” to grasp?
- The Koran has different ARABIC versions. Some say there are up to 31 Arabic versions.
- These versions vary from each other in places i.e. there are textual variants.
- Therefore, the Koran has not been “perfectly preserved”. NOTE: “PERFECTLY PRESERVED” means just that and nothing else.
Coming up with “its just different ways of expressing it” means CHANGES have been introduced.
- Between Hafs version and Doori which are both Arabic versions there are differences.
- Between Hafs and Warsh Arabic versions there are differences.
- Differences that change the meaning of the expressions.

Man, talk is cheap. Hafs, Warsh etc are different methods of Qirat (recitations) of Quran. What has this gotta do with distortions, discrimpancies like the Bible?. This is why I asked you to screenshot for the world to see. The dude's video you posted is a confused fellow. I repeat confused fellow.

You can simply go on YouTube and listen to different Qirat of Qur'an. You get to know what that means not copy copy you are doing here. It is not gonna help you, bro.

true2god:
I am so pained right now that I am on 'drip' at the hospital (hiss). You guys are always smarter than Allah and his messenger. I asked you to provide the 'original Torah and the injil' which you claimed your prophet had before he died. It is very ridiculous that your prophet, who can't read or right (according to Muslims) will tell literate people (people of the book) that their text is wrong. Like an illiterate man correcting a Wole Soyinka on his literary works. This argument can only be sustained and supported by the magical logic of Muslims.

onus is not on us but you since your bible or gospel already have these obvious distortions which confirms Quran position. I have out up a challenge up there for your buddy. See if you can help him. Seems he cant help himself. We are absolutely under no obligation to provide original injil. We have enough evidence to prove your distortions.

Even if the surnames of the gospel writers are provided you will still ask for their botanical names because that's what Islam is built on, apologetics and not convictions.

You dont have it. You dont need to be apologetic about it. It is too late for you to concoct fake names in 2019. Your 4 chronological Gospels are fraud. We muslims only picked whatever is in harmony with islamic teachings from it. We use Quran as a standard criteria to judge the Bible.



"Blessed is He who sent down the Criterion i:e Quran, upon His Servant that he may be to the worlds a warner" - Surah Furqan ayah 1

I asked you why Mohammed named some surah after animals such as ant, cow, camel, etc and you ignored it but now asking me to provide the full names of the gospel writers. You are very funny and childish bro. And do you really think an illiterate Arabs cave man (Mohammed) have the intellectual capacity to meaningfully, on an academic or theological level, engage the people of the book (educated people). Do you know one of the reasons Mohammed (and the Arabs) call the Jews and the Christians 'the people of the book'?

Go figure!

I simply did not notice. And, pint of correction.I know that you knew but you followed your dire. Quran was not names by Muhammad(saw) but His Creator. So these names of Animals you mentioned goes to show you that Qur'an covers all aspect of life including ant for that matter. It mentioned cow in reference to Jews who worshipped golden calf or questioned their prophet about sacrificial cow they were ordered for.

Mr. "educated and intelligent" one, since you (people of the Book) are so damn educated, how come you teach pupils in schools that 1+1+1=3 but when it comes to simple religious issue, 1+1+1=1 and then you told us that we can not understand unless and until we have "holy spirit"?. How's that "education" working for you?

Empiree:
JazakaAllahu khayran for this. Of course default formula is normal daily salah.

The Ahadith with regard to your concern are located in Sahih Muslim. Since evidences trump my post, I hear and I obey and I stick to the evidences in this regard.

Which means I'm only reciting sura Qadri in standing and sitting positions and make supplications & glorifications in sujud and rukuh as I normally do. This is however nawafil. Sharia committee said that reciting Qur'an in sujud and rukuh does not invalidate salah but it is makruh. Everything else I mentioned in my initial post stays the same. This is the only "nakali" I have with this formula by the way.


Thanks again for bringing this up. I appreciate it.

Let's be clear about something for clarification purposes. The whole idea behind reciting 3 sura Qadr as first laid down in my previous post is similar to salat tasbih. It is some scholars that break it down that way for ease. If you calculate number of times you have to recite surah Qadri it is 36 times by my calculation. Eighteen (18x) per rakah. So you can as well recite all 18 times surah Qadr in first rakah and do the time second rakah. Some scholars break it down here and total 18 to make it easy.

The same is true of salat Tasbih. The whole either behind break down is to make it easy. Not that it is a must to recite the surah in rukuh and sujud. Not at all. You can offer the nakali normal way but some people lose focus or get weak at standing. That's why they break it down. Hope you understand. I said this because i witnessed it myself some 4 yrs ago on Lailatul Qadri. The Imam gave two formulas of solati tasbih and prayed with easiest form. It was there i learned that the breakdown are meant to ease focus. It is all about ikhlas, niyat and ijtihad.

true2god:
You are always 'exposing' with daft argument. Why hailing yourself while you have proved nothing?

refute my post or stop talking

true2god:
When the guy 'reverted' to Islam you guys were jumping up and down shouting 'Allahu Akbar' but now that his eyes are wide open he has become a confused man. Islam hypocrisy!

How will you call a man who spent over 7years preaching and defending Islam, even on YouTube, a confused man? How can you call a man who spent over 5 years learning to write and speak Arabic, to better his 'deen', a confused man? You are the confused man here because you can't match his commitment to Islam when he was still ignorant of the false and deceptive religion (Islam)..

You know a man is confused after knowing what tawhid or Oneness of God is and then foolishly renounced islam over trivial issue. You noticed that he never argued on essence of islam, that's major tenet which God is One. Rather he was busy over silly things. Thats definition of confusion. He could preach for 40yr. Who cares if he renounce islam after that?. So since he is still alive, he still has hope. He may tomorrow changes faith to Judaism to Hinduism to Buddhism to Taoism to Shintoism to Atheism to Scientologist back to Islam. You just cant tell at this moment.

cheffs:
Jazakalahu Khairan Em.piree, may Allah increase your knowledge and that of everyone that has contributed to this enlightening thread.

Please regarding the above prayer, i have heard and i just confirmed again before posting this that it is not permissible to recite the Quran while in Sajda or Ruku, that one can only recite supplications (Lailaha ilalah) or duas (Robana takobalminah) that are part of a Surah.

Please kindly clarify this.

Thanks

JazakaAllahu khayran for this. Of course default formula is normal daily salah.

The Ahadith with regard to your concern are located in Sahih Muslim. Since evidences trump my post, I hear and I obey and I stick to the evidences in this regard.

Which means I'm only reciting sura Qadri in standing and sitting positions and make supplications & glorifications in sujud and rukuh as I normally do. This is however nawafil. Sharia committee said that reciting Qur'an in sujud and rukuh does not invalidate salah but it is makruh. Everything else I mentioned in my initial post stays the same. This is the only "nakali" I have with this formula by the way.


Thanks again for bringing this up. I appreciate it.

sagenaija:
Koran 15:9 claims – Indeed, it is We who sent down the Qur'an and indeed, We will be its guardian.
Moslems therefore argue that no SINGLE part of the Koran has been altered.
But the following show something different:


The part 2 using another version and Hafs'
https://youtu.be/BwSk.DXXpNSI
https://youtu.be/Jlb81.KCvYFA

Bro, stop doing yourself disservice. Pls post screenshots of your research. I have watched this confused guy before. If you want to use his evidence at least post screenshots for the world to see. I am not the only one reading. I have watched this video before but go ahead and post screenshots. Not everyone is fortunate enough to watch it. Post screenshots if you are indeed truthful.

Cheers01:
It is clear that you have never gone for hajj and you don't know how to research. You know nothing about Saudi Arabia.

I am not wasting any more time with you.

I have exposed you guys

Cheers01:
This is the daftest argument I have ever heard. So, Boko Haram killing mostly muslims is an argument that shows what exactly? That that type of Islam is not violent?

Boko haram kills both muslims and Christians. Even if they kill muslims more than christians does it change the fact that it is an extremist brand of Islam?

What is your point? That boko haram is not Islamic? That boko haram is not oppressive to non muslims?

Who is daft now?. You probably dont even understand my post or you chose to be munafiq?

We need more muslim journalists in nigeria bcus the current media houses is largely occupied by christians and they are able to make up stupid stories. Sheikh Habeeb Adam Ilory - Mudir Murkaz exposed them in his recent Ramadan lecture. The reason i posted my statistics up there about non-muslim govts are the one killing muslims is bcus it very common for christians to claim "muslims are killing christians" anytime something happens or whenever BH killed people. This is what they always tell us.


Sheikh Habeeb Morkaz obtained data statistic from US department in Connecticut dated May 18, 2019 exposing BH sponsors and saying that from 2015 to 2018, 37,500 plus people have been killed. Of this amount, 32,000 muslims are killed. The rest are christians and people of other faith. Yet, Nigeria media always publish that muslims are killing christians. Below is the video i just watched today where the Sheikh exposed them. The group funding BH is mentioned by Global Profile Alliance Conference published the article. Please fast forward to 1hr30m to hear him. Quran warned us to be careful of news we received. Christians are not peaceful people. They are part of nigeria problems. BH are not muslims but a christian alliance group. Well trained to sabotage islam/muslims.


Please watch the video and spread it. People killed by BH are 90% muslims.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=b9eAviymJd4

true2god:
[s]You seem to have become more angry and radical these days. What happened? Did you visit Pakistan lately? We are talking about Muslims crying of Islamophobia and oppression but are (Muslims) the worst oppressors worldwide. In any Muslim community where Muslims are majority, the tendency of the minority to be oppressed is over 95%. Take a look at Pakistan and India. Muslims are thriving, growing, many movies, occupying government positions in India but Hindus in Pakistan are almost wiped out and their is a government sanctioned policy to oppress non-muslims and the Ahmadiyyas. In Pakistan. accusing someone of blasphemy (especially non-muslims) is the easiest way of settling scores. The victim is already guilty until proven Innocent (Like Aisha Bibi and thousands of unknown ones).

Your blind defense of evil is legendary, all in the name of protecting Islam. Please change your thinking. [/s]

answer my question above if you choose to contribute

Cheers01:
You are the one that doesn't realise that you have disgraced yourself.

Your initial argument is that there is no Muslim government that oppresses non-muslims.

You did not address the fact that atheism has been declared terrorism in Saudi Arabia, punishable by death.

You ignore all the 13 Islamic countries were atheism is punishable by execution.

Yet, you complain about China oppressing Uighur muslims. Hypocrisy.

Apostasy is a crime in many sharia countries. You will never address that.


Anyone can see that you are a dishonest person. Which non Muslim will trust you after noticing how you comment?

2014 but atheists are openly parading the streets and making fun of Kaaba after the so called legislation against them. Even at that, this is all you could pointed out compared to what I have highlighted. I even said earlier that I don't want text references because they are not followed. I wanted you to prove reality on ground like I did with non muslim govts. Saudi may have signed the law but does it follow up?. If they do all these atheists and gay running around like chicken would be gone by now. Instead Saudi authority is killing muslim scholars on charges of terror!sm. Matter of fact they are in the process of executing some Muslim scholars after this Ramadan. I have personally not heard of atheists beheaded.

My question stands. Show me Muslim govt where they persecuted non muslims that led to their mass exodus?

Cheers01:
You are not intelligent enough to have this debate.

you stuck. You are now at a crossroad

abdelrahman:
oga it is still oppression

step aside for a minute. At least you didnt try to be a con man like cheers01 who mischievously placed blames on muslims for everything

abdelrahman:
oga shut up there
Saudi on Yemen
asad govt on Syrian people
bashir govt on zaghawa people

I didn't talk about Muslims on Muslims. That's a different case. I clearly highlighted my point. Why did you miss it?