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Cheers01:
Ogbeni, in the UK it is confirmed that a judge can ask you to remove your hijab in the court room.

I don't know the nonsense you are talking here.


What about those who force hijabs on others in the north of Nigeria? You will never address it. Muslims are never wrong ij your opinion.

I'm sure you didnt complain about Saudi stopping women from driving until the ban was lifted

bro, why are you shivering?. Do you need orijin leafs to stabilize yourself?. My time is up here now cus you raised no valid point. I have provided you with adequate evidences on hijab and on persecutions and oppressions of muslims. But you failed to provide valid evidences that Muslims govts persecute nonmuslims for their religion.

Let me be clear. There is no where in Earth as we speak where Muslims govts persecute nonmuslims that leads to mass exodus as we seen with nonmuslims governments persecuted Muslims which led to mass immigration from their homes.

Kindly provide evidence of muslim govts do this in our contemporary world, please?.

Instead what we see are some individuals who make up stories of persecution in Muslim countries just to get green card or stay like they do in Canada right now. A lot of Tom dick and Harry are claiming asylum at expense of Islam. They always lie about Islam in their home countries and many of these people are nonmuslims faking stories and lie that their lives are in danger bcuz of Islam..

Examples are numerous. To mention a few, Wafa Sultan, Walid Shoebat etc. They are now irrelevant

sagenaija:
To expose your lies!

Only a man who is sick in the head will tell us, in the face of glaring evidence in Islamic books, that the Koran was compiled into a book during the lifetime of Mohamed.

I know you believe so many odd things but to lie against your own prophet ought to be haram even to you! Haba!

The most popular present day Koran was only agreed in Egypt in as recent as 1924. Yes or No?

I'm tired of going back and forth with you. You sound so desperate just to cover up holes in your book.

I'm not wasting my time anymore. Do me a favor. The only way I can now reason with you is you bring forward different Qur'ans with different contents. Are we clear?.


Ask me the same about your Bible and I will come forward with it. This is final showcase showdown to put end to this trash.

To be clear, you have to quote a Quran verse in Arabic from same verse from different Qur'an that contradict themselves or missing and do the screenshot if possible. And I will do the same with Bible.

If your are ready to meet this challenge let me know. Are we clear?. If you can't do this then stop quoting me.

Cheers01:
Hijab is not allowed in secular courts.

Is Nigeria more secular than Western countries?.

Below you find:

US hijabi Congress woman

New York hijabi muslim students

US lawyer in court etc


Dem no born anybody well to mess with their hijab either in public or in private. You will pay hefty fines that your generations will never recover from.

Cheers01:
A private school or office has the right to enforce whatever dress code it wants.

I am talking about walking on the streets in Kano and Zamfara

are there no harrasement of hijab in public area in south west?. How about the case of law graduate last that made headlines?. She was harrased by CHRISTIAN South

Cheers01:
Is Pakistan the only country I mentioned?

Saudi Arabia where atheism is equated to terrorism and punishable by death?

Indonesia nko?

You are not being honest

you are being dishonest. What you are saying is not comparable to what I have highlighted. Be sincere man. I just highlighted non muslim GOVERNMENT SANCTIONED PERSECUTION OF ENTIRE RELIGIOUS COMMUNITY but you are saying something else.

Besides, there are open atheists and gay people in Saudi now and they do nothing about it. Very sad.

Cheers01:
Stop lying. How do atheists cross the line?

Charity begins at home. You can tell your northern Muslims to stop forcing and expecting Christian women to wear hijabs.

You can even see how you yourself crosses the line- assuming all atheist are people whoindult your religion.

don't even cite Nigeria. Both CHRISTIANS and Muslims are troublesome in that country. You cited north forcing hijab on CHRISTIANs. But you failed to cite SouthWest forcing off hijab on Muslim ladies in school and at work. Where is tolerance from both sides?

Is it not hypocrisy that you cited only North but turned away from CHRISTIAN South west?

Cheers01:
Saudi Arabia beheads apostates

Indonesia arrests apostates or atheist bloggers

Pakistan is a place where Christians and non Muslims are killed on the streets over false charges Of blasphemy.

Atheists face execution in 13 Islamic states.


Don't be blind to the problems in your religion

smh... I even highlighted key points but you failed to see it or deliberately missed it. Compared what you posted here with what I posted. Totally different. Average people killing others in Pakistan is different from govt sanction of persecution that I highlighted above.

Cheers01:
Atheists can preach to any adult, as long as they don't force it. Same with Christians and Muslims.

Everyone has the right to express their religion in a non harassing manner.

Simple.

fine. But don't curse God. The moment you do that, you crossed the line. Many of you tend to cross the line. You are the ones exporting all sorts of fasad now

Cheers01:
Lies.

You are just lucky that I can't remember exactly when you said such. I dont have the quote, just my memory.

But then again, you have exposed yourself as an oppressor with this your comment.

Muslims are allowed to do Dawah and preach their beliefs. So why would you have a problem with atheists speaking about their disbelief in religion? Do you really have a problem with atheists exercising their freedom as guaranteed by the constitution?

I have forgot long time. I remember you now. You are that atheist guy. Problem with atheists is that they don't know right from wrong. They are confused set of people. Thanks but no thanks. You can not preach atheism to my family or in my community. Not even Christian will allow that. We will counter you diplomatically. It doesn't mean we have to punish you for that. By default, people of the world belief in God (whatever religion it is). But atheists come out in public and insult God.

abdelrahman:
who is talking about only one Muslim?

show us where Muslims are oppressing people. Give us example of people they are oppressing?.

Don't quote text because there are many things in texts that are not practiced. You can't use that as point of reference.

Let me help you in case you are confused.

Example of oppression is what we are witnessing in Gaza.



* Israeli/Palestinians conflicts (where Jewish govt, supported by Christian Zionists govts are bombing and enslaving Muslims.


* India/Kashmir conflicts(where Hindus govt are killing, bombing and enslaving Muslims.


* Burma/Rohingya muslim conflicts (where Burmese buddists govt are killing Muslims like chicken and placing them in open concentration camps.


* China/Xinjiang/Uyghurs muslim conflicts (where Chinese buddists govt are killing muslims, restricting their religious practices and forcing them into concentration camps. Destroying their religious centers and Masajid and forcing them to eat Haram.


So show us where muslim govts are killing non muslims in contemporary world?.

sagenaija:
Who (Really) Wrote The Koran?
Did you see the bolded?
Why is it easy for you Moslems to lie even in the face of FACTS?
Maybe its because like i said Islam speaks from both sides of the mouth
so, you can pick and choose as it will support your argument.
Was the Koran not originally supposed to be RECITATIONS?
And was there no concern YEARS AFTER MOHAMED DIED about those
who memorized it having died and how it may lead to loss of portions of the Koran?
It is well known when the Koran was first compiled into a book yet you are telling us
blatant lie; just to win an argument?
And here you are telling us that it was written down "in the lifetime" of Mohamed.
Whao! This lie alone is enough to make anyone reading us see you for who you are.

you begin to sound like a sick man of Europe. Why didn't you highlight the rest of the sentence?

Cheers01:
Really? You are indirectly oppressing people by supporting intolerant policies.

A great example is the support for the punishment of atheists in certain sharia countries. You were in support of it when I discussed it with you few years back.

quote me or it is not true. Seems to me you have motives though. If atheists don't try to persuade people to disbelieve in God or mock religious text or figure I have no problem with them.

Excel70:
Salam alaykum sir, do you do tahajjud everyday apart from ramadhan. What is the physical and spiritual benefit for someone that pray tahajjud everyday?

walaikum salaam

No, not everyday. The result you get from doing tahajjud, whether everyday or not boils down to iklas and niyat.

It can be weakening physically at times but it generally give strength at old age without medical assistance. And yes, your are spiritually elevated. It is hard man.

Also one of the spiritual benefits is that for as long as people who wake up for tahajjud and make istighfar, Allah will not destroy a community because of them. That's, no matter how fasad people commit on Earth, for as long as there are people who make istighfar, by their virtues Allaah will always put things into consideration. These people are abdal, awtad. They are always on spiritual journey around the world begging Allaah not to destroy community of people due to their sins.

abdelrahman:
The thing is that we Muslims are both oppressors and oppressed

speak for yourself, bro. If you are oppressing people, make tawba but refrain from making general statement. I am a muslim and I oppressed no one

sagenaija:
Genius Empiree,
I've been trying to let you know that your "Koranic logic" has affected the way you reason but it seems you are not getting it because it has done more harm to you than i thought.

Did you watch any of those clips I posted?
Maybe not. You may be AFRAID that they will ANSWER YOUR QUESTIONS and expose your lies.

You're so tied up with the issue of the gospels being "according to ......"

BUT MAJORITY of your today's KORAN is "ACCORDING TO HAFS". True or false? So, if your Koran is said to be "According to Hafs" do you not see that your arguments aginst the gospels stands on its head?

Mohamed NEVER PUT TOGETHER the current Koran. True or false? Yet you accept it.

You really cant help yourself, right?. What's "Quran according to Hafs". You had to go this far to cover shame in your book?. Will appreciate if you can explain quran according to hafs. You are very ridiculous! We have only one Quran written down in the lifetime of prophet muhammad(saw). Can you say this of bible?


إِنَّا نَحْنُ نَزَّلْنَا الذِّكْرَ وَ إِنَّا لَهُ لَحافِظُون

"We have, without doubt, sent down the Message (Holy Quran); and We will assuredly guard it (from corruption)". (15/9)




Say: ‘If all mankind and the jinn would come together to produce the like of this Quran, they could not produce its like even though they exerted all and their strength in aiding one another.’” (Quran 17:88)

UNLIKE the gospels NO EYEWITNESS or CONTEMPORARY of Mohamed wrote the Koran. It was gathered from BITS and PIECES from scattered jottings here and there. And you guys still think its REASONABLE to accept such a "collection" as "authentic".

You are laughable. You need to stop embarrassing yourself man. show us Quran that is different from present Quran that we have. This is the only way you can effectively argue. Otherwise, you are dismissed.

I can immediately predict even your response to this my post. First, you will answer none of my questions. I will not state your other responses until you do and I will remind you of what I've said here.

I am sure you know within you that there are FLAWS IN your religion Islam. But somehow you want some 'comfort' if you can see flaws in Christianity. At least then you can rest on the fact that it is not only Islam that has flaws. Unfortunately you are clinging on to straws to find flaws in Christianity. Christianity is Jesus Christ! Unless you can find and point out flaws in him all your arguments will be flawed.

Or do they say that he has invented it? Say (to them), ‘Bring ten invented chapters like it, and call (for help) on whomever you can besides God, if you are truthful.” (Quran 11:13)



you are boring. you will be ignored soon. My question is still out there that you are dulging. Where is Gospel according to Jesus. Common sense tells you that Gospel according Matthew, Mark, Luke and John were not written by Jesus. Is this difficult for you to understand?

AlBaqir:
Must Allah ordered you to do a good act before you do it? Where is it written that cursing the cursed is Allah's right alone?

Surah Al-Baqara, Verse 159 - 161:

Surely those who conceal the clear proofs and the guidance that We revealed after We made it clear in the Book for men, these it is whom Allah shall curse, and those who curse shall curse them (too)

Except those who repent and amend and make manifest (the truth), these it is to whom I turn (mercifully); and I am the Oft-returning (to mercy), the Merciful.

Surely those who disbelieve and die while they are disbelievers, these it is on whom is the curse of Allah and the angels and men all."

Perhaps this refers to kufar.

Stop saying "Shia" in a general statement. A yes or no question: can you curse those Allah and His Messenger cursed?

I will only curse oppressors out of anger who openly oppress people

Do you know Allah and His Messenger laid curse upon certain sahabah? Can you follow Allah and His Messenger in that act?

If you cannot (which is dislike to what Allah and His Messenger did), then why talking against those that chose to follow Allah and His Messenger?

You want to be to disseminating curses like wildfire?. I can't curse sahaba for the fact that whatever they might have done has no direct negative impact on me. I live their affairs to Allah even if Allah had cursed them. For as long as I recognized them to be muslims, their rights as muslims are binding on me. This is contrary to people clearly mentioned by name by Allah and were cursed like firaun, shaytan, ABu Lahab etc. But no specific names of sahaba mentioned in the Quran to be cursed. You may end up cursing the wrong person.

Shia do not shy away from fact that a fanatical fraction among them usually curse certain sahabah that fall into their bad record. But majority of Shia do not engage in this act and leading Shia maraji have declared this silly act as Haram since it create more tension and chaos and disunity within the Muslim ummah.

this is my point all along you just highlighted. If Shia ulama consider it haram, then, it means cursing any sahaba for whatever reason was only right of Allah and His messanger. Contemporary Muslims should not curse any sahaba base on theological references.

Not cursing the evil among the Sahabah is just courtesy

Another point you just highlighted. My point all along.

So can you follow Allah and His Messenger by cursing those who collect riba?

Nope. I simply show evidence that Allah curses the one who takes and pay riba. I won't curse them whether they are muslim or not. But God forbid if I am forced to be in that situation and i have hard time paying back plus riba, I will curse the heck out of the lender especially mortgage lender. Again, this is borne out of anger not random curses.

And I tell you with confidence that a true believer will not engage in riba act; therefore, it is yet another trait of munafiqun is collection of riba. And there are example of certain sahabah who collect riba and even did worse.

true





Oh, you think my submissions are contradictory? Establishing the sunnatic nature of cursing and at the same time submitting our maraji's fatwa of not to curse any sahabah.

It is you that continuously negating the sunnah of cursing hence my drive to give you clear fact that cursing the cursed is an established sunnah of Islam.

I can't stop laughing the way you dash out curse, cursing, curses like distributing chin chin. Na by force to curse ni?

Now you can easily separate yourself but can easily generalized millions of people as "sahabah curser". Can you preach it to the Sunni/Salafi that cursing or hating or disliking sahabah does not in anyway make a Muslim a kafir?

told them this before. This is not evidence of kufr but may be mischieves at some point

Your hypocrisy knows no bound. Majority of sahabah hated, cursed and fought Ali ibn Abi Talib in particular and Ahlulbayt in general. You find excuses for them despite clearest ahadith mentioned above that only the munafiqun hate and curse Ali. On the other hand, it is okay to label Shia as sahabah curser and even declared them kuffar. Ilé lati k'eso rode.

Well, "Shia" in my context doesnt denote all shia. It's only means shia are known for cursing sahaba. This is a fact but doesnt mean I refer to all of them. Everyone, group, sect etc has something they are known for but doesn't mean everyone in the sect, group etc personally practices what the sect or group does.

Ali ibn Abi Talib was Allah and His Messenger's appointed Caliph over all Muslims. Pledging allegiance to him is submission to the will of Allah and His Messenger. Not recognizing and not pledging allegiance to him is dying the death of jahiliyyah.
What is the fate of those that were found wanting during and after (till date) of demise of Ali?

Allah decides their fate

You will bro. You will be questioned about the Wilayat, the Thaqalayn, the Khalifatayn. It squarely rest upon the validity of your faith and other things you do. "....whoever adhere to them will not go astray..."

this is different from what a sahabi doesnt which i am concerned about.

NB: Including sahabah in salawat is a new invention, and to meant all of them (without exception) in salawat is a double invention and to place them before the Ahlulbayt in salawat is the peak of that invention.

Does it matter?. They placed sahaba before for flow of rhythm i guess. After all, his ahlulbayt were his(saw) companions too. They get double blessings in the salawah.

true2god:
It is very magical that Muslims will claim that the Bible had been corrupted but do not have a single copy of the incorruptible one. Where is the 'authentic' Torah and the injil that Zakir Naik, and millions of his fellow clowns, have been talking about? They don't have it because they have to manufacture lies to discredit the Bible. It is even worrisome for a religion like Islam, whose founder was tutored by a gnostic Christian, waraqa ibn naufal, to challenge the Bible? It is even more worrisome that it was even this same Christian that told him that he is a prophet, not even Allah or jibril. Islam is a pack of comedy!

And you are switching from 'the Torah and the injilhas been distorted' to 'the Jews and the Christians do not follow the law in their book', what a confused set of people! It is very ironic that Muslims, whose holy book (Quran) cannot stand alone without manufactured stories (hadith, seerah, altabari) to support it will accuse the Bible of being distorted. The same manufactured stories that has been classified as strong, weak and fabricated and are still being used to making a meaning of every ayah of the Quran. You are the one to open your brain and know that you have been scammed big time by the Arabian conmen, together with their Persian collaborators (the Turkish, the Iranians and the Uzbeks).

I also told you that your most reliable hadith was written by Imam Bukhari, an Uzbek man, about 230/years after the death of Mohammed. Is Mohammed aware of the hadith? Did Allah also inspire and approve the hadith? Did Imam Bukahri meet Mohammed or any of the sahabas alive? How many hadith did Bukhari collect that were later filtered and 'downsized' to about 7200 collected narration? And this is same book (filled with rumours and gossips) that you use to explain the thousands of confusing ayah in the Quran. Bros abeg put on your thinking cap if you don't have any yet. Islam is a pack of lies and some stories lifted from existing religions (Judaism, Christianity, Zoroastrianism and Sabianism).

Look at the flaws in your religious text that are very glaring before accusing others. Very ironic and surprising!

I know you are in serious pain because, obviously, you can't defend those contradictions I cited earlier. You simply made no reference to them. Anyways, they are still up there should you have time to figure it out. For now, I know it hurts that you can't really fix problems with your Bible or Gospels or whatever you which to call it. You and your partner should try to figure out why you have Gospels according to Mathew Mark Luke and John instead of Jesus himself.

tintingz:
If you do not know what? Ignorance?

you are very boring Mr. Detergent

sagenaija:
So, What have you said here?
Is there any reference here to any of what I put up there?
Can you explain in simple language for us who are not "geniuses" to understand?

Islamic sources speak from both sides of the mouth. Prove me wrong.

what do you expect from me now?. To keep quoting Islamic sources that you don't agree with?. That's just endless arguments. What is clear is you made no reference back to allegations I raised with regard to Torah and Gospel.. Why should I continue with you now?. You keep asking silly question WHEN Bible was corrupted. Yet these corruptions are written all over both Torah and Gospel and you still asking me foolish question, seriously, bro?.. You can do better than this man.

Let's try again for the last time. The Gospels or Bible you currently have are what you believe in. They are written by Mathew Mark Luke and John. Where is Gospel according to Jesus?. We will get closure of you can tell us that.

Definitely Gospels according to these 4 guys weren't written by Jesus. So onus is on you to tell us where is Gospel of Jesus Christ?.

If you have no answer to this, then Quran is correct when it said you wrote it your ownselves and attributed it to God. Luke already cleared the air

sagenaija:
Emp.iree, if geniuses like you will make things CLEAR for "zombies"like us then maybe things will be easier for us to grasp.

You, the genius, agree that the Bible existed in the authentic form.

But Genius, WHEN the Bible became "distorted" has been difficult for you to CLEARLY tell us. WHY no mention by Mohamed whom you are supposed to emulate ever questioning the existing Bible can be found BUT you modern day Moslems who claim to follow him and are told to believe in him now oppose his stance amazes us.

For a book that was WIDELY CIRCULATED, why no single copy of the "authentic" Bible survived has not also been incontrovertibly communicated to us by you.

Genius, is it possible for you to give clarification to the above two issues in a CLEAR MANNER that will make me perhaps begin to have a rethink.

Until then the RED FLAG I see is the KORAN having a double position AND CONTRADICTIONS on virtually EVERYTHING.

The Koran will promise you what to do to enter Paradise and then equally tell you it is Allah that will determine whether you enter paradise not whether you have fulfilled all that is required of you. The Koran will tell you a Moslem is on the right way, being "rightly guided", yet turn around to tell you that even when you are a FOOT from paradise Allah may still FEEL otherwise and have you turned back and thrown into hell. These are the RED FLAGS I see.

Allah in the Koran does not know where the sun sets. He doesn't know that it is the earth that revolves round the sun. Allah does not know that Mary the mother of Jesus is NOT closely related to Moses and Aaron. He does not know that they ARE NOT EVEN from the same tribe! These are RED FLAGS!

Allah has NO familial relationship with his creatures like JEHOVAH has. Not even with man that he asked angels to bow down to. No Moslem knows what Allah is since he is neither human nor a spirit. But Allah has TWO RIGHT HANDS! These are RED FLAGS to me.

Allah NEVER advocates LOVE between his creatures nor does he claim to have any love for them. This is a RED FLAG for me.

So, please do me a big favour, can you in a SIMPLE MANNER that only geniuses like you can do CLARIFY the above for me? You may even prefer to do them one per post so that someone like me who is not a genius like you can easily understand it.

No running away please!

explaining color to color blind is painstaking efforts. What is the use of citing Islamic sources when you don't even understand anything I have been saying even with references from your so called holy book?

Cheers01:
Nice thread

lol...I remembered this thread but I didn't comment. Btw, I didn't see you around. You were on long vacation?. You decided to resurface today

tintingz:
Why Allah, how did you know it's Allah that owns you?

فَسۡـئَلُوۡۤا اَهۡلَ الذِّكۡرِ اِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَۙ

"So ask the people of the message if you do not know."

JARUSHUB:
Sad. We started this 10 years ago.

Why are the current generation of Nairaland Muslims here not continuing?

who started it 10yrs ago?

Cheers01:
I wonder how you are debating on this section. This place is like a graveyard

lol
.u think I have time for Mr. Divergent

tintingz:
You haven't tell me what this mean.

An-Nahl 43

Ok, who owns you?

My Creator, Allah

movado19:
Shaikh Empiree, please should it be to exactly "lailatul Qadri khairu" and then go into sujud and after sujud, continue verse 3 from "...min al fi shahr" until the end of the surah?
Thank you.

Yes, sir.

AlBaqir:
Sometimes you present yourself as if you believe in a part of the Quran and silently reject other part.

Whether you like it or not, Allah Himself has laid curse upon pseudo-Sahabah in His glorious book. Whether you like it or not, authentic ahadith exist that Prophet himself laid curse upon pseudo-Sahabah. Whether you like it or not, evidences abound that some sahabah cursed other sahabah.

ee what you said?. You didnt say Allah and His messanger ordered us to curse fellow muslims. It is only the right of Allah and His messenger...not us.

So why shying away from reality as if cursing fake, munafiqun sahabah is a big deal?

'fake', 'munafiq' are hidden traits. We have not been made to see through people's heart.

Yet, upon all these overwhelming evidences, just like the salafi, you are equally playing that sympathetic card, "Shia are cursing the Sahabah".

I think i have stated my reason. If Shi'a simply remain silent(no rodiyallahu) after the mention of a sahabi they dislike is better than cursing him.

And cursing is not an automatic magnet. If A is cursed or prayed for and did not deserved it, none of it will reach him. Imam Ali was cursed on the pulpit of Banu Umayah for more than 80 years. Imam Ali (alayhi salam) was depicted as shaytan. So if a Shia cursed a sahabi that Allah and His messenger cursed, how's that a big deal?

Why focus is only on sahaba?. Allah and His messanger also cursed the one who collects riba, the one who pays riba and the two witnesses. So let's say a shia is much concerned about cursing a sahabi he is not comfortable with but he himself is dealing in riba transaction, dont you think the curse comes right back at him?. And why not simply curse those who take riba too in our contemporary world since Allah's curse is upon them too?. See, i guess what i have been trying to tell you is that if we all should start cursing by citing daleel, then we built self-destructive society for ourselves. Cursing someone is only right of Allah.

Upon all these, All the Shia maraji declared cursing ANY of the Sahabah or wife of the Prophet as HARAM. This was unanimous fatwa of Shia Ulama. Yet, this is not appreciated, Shia continues to be maligned as "Sahabah cursers". Please face reality: if our ulama declared cursing pseudo- Sahabah as wajib, salafi cannot do more than what they are doing against Shia: maligning them and suicide bombing them.

So why not simply abide by ruling of shia ulama instead of saying there are evidences for cursing some sahaba?. Make no mistake,i am aware shia only curse some sahaba not all of them. I think this is your concern.

The more Shia is trying hard for Muslim unity, the more Shia is being treated as kuffar by the uninformed Sunni.

Thats why both sides have more to do. I am never calling shia kufar. That makes no sense.

Only Allah knows tomorrow not you. It is not ours to peep into, "what if he dies the next day". Ours is to see the truth and accept the truth. Period. Allegiance to he whom Allah and His Messenger appointed is the confirmation of one's Iman.

But another kalifa would come second anyway even if S. Ali(ra) came first. Even if Ali(ra) ruled for 20yrs. I believe that Ali(ra) became 4th caliph was even better.

Making a parallel analogy between Prophet's declaration of Imam Ali as his immediate successor and Sheik Adam's sons tussle for their baba's successorship is far too low of a submission.

We are talking of what will confirm one's belief or Mar it. Here is my brother talking of Agege caliphate

No be so?. Beliefs of muslims are the same with some slight differences in practicality. My analogy was based on succession in itself. The idea of succession is the same everywhere in the muslim community. Thats why I cited baba lagege(ra) and sheikh Nasirdeen Kabara(ra)

You mean it was normal that Bibi Fatima displeased with Caliph Abubakar and never spoken with him till she died?

Is there anything we can do about a deed already done over 1400 years ago now?. It was sad but we cant help. One thing that is clear to me is that I will not be questioned about them.

I don't get it: "a Muslim must not exclude or relegate the Ahlulbayt"? What is that? Ahlulbayt are not seeking for anybody's sympathy faah. You adhere to them, your salvation is guaranteed. You adhere to other than them, then you go astray. It's your choice.

perhaps you misunderstood this?

And I don't get it: "your family INCLUDE Ahlulbayt in their salawat" Don't you know that failure to include them make your salawat batil (null and void) ni?

perhaps you misunderstood this too?. I meant salawat we did at home back then always included ahlulbayt.

This is the salawa


allahumma salli ala sayyidina muhammad wa ala ali wa sahabiy wa ahlulbayt wa ala kulli min ajirin warajai


We said this salawa 1000/day in addition to solati Fatihi and Ibrahimiyah. In other word, we recognize AhlulBayt to the core.

Tezerdyo:
Salam lah alaykum wahramatullah wabarakatuh.

This room is so dry this days, Dear Sheik Emp.iree please drop some supplications for the last 10 of this blessed month.
May God accept our fast as an act of IBADAH (Ameen).
RAMADAN MUBARAQ

Walaikum salaam..our brothers and sisters are busy on researches on questions above. In few days now you get to see crowd.


In Ramadan, Quran should be respected and given authority over anything else. So, at midnight till Sahur, I offer as many rakat as I possibly can. I sit down and make dhikr briefly starting with istigfar, salawat, shahadah and so on. Then I begin reciting Qur'an till I'm ready for Sahur and finished with


allahumma salli ala sayyidina muhammad wa ala ali wa sahabiy wa ali bayti wa ala kulli min ajirin warajai


and


Allahumma Innaka 'Afuwwun Tuhibbul 'Afwa Fa'fu 'annee"



My naflah is 2 rakat


First Rakah: after fatiha recite sura Qadri 3x. at rukuh sura Qadri 3x. after rising from rukuh recite Sura Qadri 3x. sujud(same thing). at first sitting (same thing). sujud (same thing). Do the same process at second rakah and make taslim. After salama you recite sura Qadri from beginning to "lailatul Qadri khair" and make sujud. during suju ask Allah for your needs a long as it takes you. Then sit back and complete the sura. In the morning when you wake give sadaqa. Do this for the last ten day.

tintingz:
Please answer the question.

You claim seeing burials should scare me that God or some higher being exist and I asked is death and fear the evidence of Allah?

Kindly answer my question and don't reserve it for the future, you claim something then proof your claims.

Me to answer you? After many people have talked to you over the years?. Therefore, wait till future when you are shrouded. Why are you in hurry, bro?

And to answer your question, the world is complex so I can't give a definite answer to that, what I know is we're all bound to nature.

فَسۡـئَلُوۡۤا اَهۡلَ الذِّكۡرِ اِنۡ كُنۡتُمۡ لَا تَعۡلَمُوۡنَۙ

"So ask the people of the message if you do not know."

I think you should explain what you mean by "do I own myself".

is it not clear enough?

tintingz:
Ok, you saying the evidence of Allah is fear and death?

see how you reason?.

And what evidence do you have that one is still conscious after confirmed dead?

Do you have any evidence of afterlife?

How are so sure are you you will meet Allah after you die, any proof?

These questions you asked are reserved for the future. My question i s, do you own yourself?

tintingz:
The problem with their argument is, they have not proof the existence of Allah but jump into conclusion Allah is the first cause that cause the universe into existence.

You can argue all day and disragard obvious evidences of God's existence.

You get to know Allaah exist when you are shrouded and you can not move. Yet your consciousness stays with you at the time you are prepared for burial. If this doesn't scare the heck out of you, just wait.

See, when your body is shrouded like this, if you have sense you realize that you don't own yourself. You get to realize there is One who created you in the first place. And then you are placed in that eternal hole in the ground and you will be there forever and ever till Qiyama. If this doesn't scare you just wait.

IMAliyu:
So this comes down to an issue of balance.
Between using your (God given) brain to solve a problem and serve Allah, and avoiding any bidiah that will lead you away from the Sunnah and towards shirk.
Or something like that.

if someone is doing something totally questionable and not in compliance with Sharia, and he believes what he's doing with all his heart and soul, this is aqeeda issue.


For example,

a Muslim believes it is normal to make sujud to the grave.


a Muslim believes it is normal to replace surah fatiha solati fatih or Ibrahimiya


See these, are bidiah that are not acceptable. There former leads to shirk. The later simply voids Salah.


But on the issue of whether group Dua, group dhikr, making dua after every salah email are allowed, these are base on differences of opinions. Even there are evidences in the sunnah for these I just mentioned. They may mean bidiah to some people but definitely not to me.