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AlBaqir:How is it bid'a when there is a dalil for it in the Sunnah?. You can at least regard it as Sunnah and no obligatory sunnah bcus even in the Sunni text except Hanbali deemed it musthab. Some Sunni try to be smart by advancing that ears is part of head that's why after wiping of the heads backwards and forwards, you wipe the ears too without taking fresh water. They however forgot to mention a single hadith where Nabi is reported to have explained that way.Well, it is understandable why we advance ear as part of the head base on hadith: From 'Abdullaah ibn 'Amr - about the way of performing wudoo - he said: Then he (sallallaahu 'alaihi wa sallam) wiped his head and entered his two forefingers into his ears and wiped the backs of his ears with his thumbs. [Reported by Abu Dawood (no.135), an-Nasaa'ee (no.140), Ibn Maajah (no.422) and authenticated by Ibn Khuzairnah]. So rinsing ear is not a question of bid'a here. It is a question of whether it is fard or not. One thing for sure is the prophet(saw) did it. Dont you have this record in your text?. Ibn Maajah narrated from ‘Abd-Allah ibn Zayd (may Allah be pleased with him) who said: The Messenger of Allah (blessings and peace of Allah be upon him) said: “The ears are part of the head.” So If the ears are part of the head, then wiping them in wudhu’ is obligatory, as is wiping the head. But the majority are of the view that wiping the ears is Sunnah and mustahabb, but is not obligatory. It is bcus of underlined part i have to free you and admit that your wudhu as yu described is valid. So it is still in line with Sunnah. Not every prophet's action is fard. We know that. |
[size=15pt]A Very Simple Solution To Sectarianism[/size] There is no way of solving it if all sides aren't ready to swallow their ego and put down their fists. Differences will forever exist but there is a way around it. If we refuse to find a way around it, we become a laughing stock. We can see references from Kitab and Sunnah pointing at this - one way or the other. Qur'an however which is the only and absolute authority in islam deserves our respect. It orders all muslims to hold on to Allah's rope. Failure to do this by citing or relying on hadith to cause more strife will do us no good. I don't care how authentic a hadith is if it says something like "73 sects", "do not pray behind innovators" or do not sit with them etc. Phrases like this MUST be understood in their wide context. A "73 sects" hadith is a mere prophecy. It is not approval sectarianism. I once met a muslim online some yrs back and he asked me which sect i belong?. I had no time for his bs other than to say i belong to none. He said "you have to bcus hadith said so". I took my leave really cause he made my stomach turned. It is very simple to do away with sectarianism unless we want to be arrogant and selfish. Solution is, when you are in a masjid, there is no sufi, salafi, shi'a you name it. We all pray as legislated in Quran and Sunnah which is what it is really bcus i have not seen any muslim pray salat differently. We only follow Quran and universally accepted Sunnah in the masjid. Anything else like loud dhikr, congregational dua, mawlud etc which are not supported unanimously should be done individually. This would not mean it is bid'a. It is only to save unnecessary argument. However, since masjid is open to the public, those who believe in congregational dua, dhikr, mawlid would have to organise their activities in a separate area. Congregational dhikr, dua or mawlud is not like zina or drinking beer. Now, if they are doing their thing and you are not invited and you show u shouting "bid'a bid'a bid'a, the committee have every right to throw you out bcus you are agent of fitna. "You" in the context above is not referring to any person. It means those who oppose the activities. As for those willing to curse sahaba they deem hypocrites, it is unislamic to do that inside masjid. If you so want to curse, do that in your privacy. Your affairs is with Allah. But in the Masjid, nothing will be allowed except Quran and UNIVERSALLY accepted sunnah. No other names is welcomed to describe anyone except MUSLIM. This is very simple. Anyone who opposes this and feel like just have to curse the hell out of hypocrites or my sect is "saved sect" and everyone else is upon bid'a and shirk, will be reprimanded. This is what Saudi shuyuk failed to do rather than issuing fatwa which sect is better than others. If we take Mekka and Medina out of the arabia, it becomes religiously empty. So by the virtues of these holy places is the reason many of us think that islamic knowledge starts and ends there which is false. Prophet (saw) did not give such criteria. There is a big difference btw reading text and practicing it. Ninety nine point nine nine percent of muslims only knew how to pray because we saw our parents, Shuyukh, waliy etc prayed. None of us read hadith on how to pray. We are just doing that now after we grew up for academic purposes. This brings to mind the reality of Salafi vs Sufi. It is very easy to read text and point out bida', wrong, right etc. But if we truly want to follow Sunnah and sahaba, put to practice what you read. Don't just read prophet said, Ibn Abass said, this and that said. That's not what islam is all about. Here are three (3) examples (analogies): If I live amongst muslims, it is easy for me to act righteously. I would read text about not committing zina etc and at the same time easy for me to accuse or criticize others who commit zina. I am acting like that bcuz I am yet to be tested. If Allah so will, i find myself living alone in non-muslim area where fitna is all over me. That's where real test comes. If i can resist the temptation, alhamdulilah. It means i have been truthful when i was living amongst muslims. But it is quiet not easy when you living in fitna area. That's practical aspect of the text I read. This is when one understands that practicing what you read is not as easy as thought. It is entirely different. But reading text is easy. This (text) is what Islam is now reduced to. Another analogy is comparing a soccer player on the field to someone watching the game on tv. The one watching the match on tv can easily find faults with the one on the field doing the thing. If he makes mistakes he may not know. But the one watching the match will criticize a lot. Another analogy is a car driver, he is active, practically controlling the steering and moving gear(s) at the same time. How in the world can that be compared to the one watching car race on tv or video game?. He is just watching and finding faults. These three analogy is description of Sufis versus Salafi. One is just reading texts (theoretical approach). The other is reading and practicing at the same time (practical and spiritual approach). Hence, it is difficult for the former to understand the later. I hope people reading this comprehend my analogies. That's all i can say. This brings me back to "Group dhikr" once again even though i have said I wont touch the subject anytime soon. Last Jum'ah, i prayed at unusual masjid. Thanks to Imam for his handsome khutba on Eid adha's sunnatic instructions. However, he confidently said "congregational dhikr" is not Sunnah. That when you come to masjid on September 12, sit down and start making dhikr. You do not need to wait for others. He then contradicted himself over by saying thank God for our volunteered brothers who will be here to lead the dhikr with us so that everyone can say it. Don't you all think we are deceiving ourselves with issue of group dhikr is not sunnah?. I wonder how those kids, laymen and women really learn the phrases if we all just sitting down silently looking at our faces. This is my reason against salafism for their literal interpretation of text and they will not accept otherwise unless their is Albanic stamp on it which is pretty pathetic. My point is, it is quite easy when you read text that group dhikr(for instance) is not allowed but when you want to practice dhikr loud with others, there is ABSOLUTELY NO WAY you can avoid it 'unisonly'. Allahu Alam |
lanrexlan:but not like average kuru I used to know. This one is short but sincerely, him got some meat |
^ That's it |
lexicon Yup, i did lots of reading and listening those days. So it is not hidden what u wanted post in defense. I heard and read bunch of them. Thats why you not really telling me anything new except to refresh my brain. However, Saudi shuyuk or their Royals are not my problem. I have no reason to hate them. My problem is with people who only copy paste their fatwa and accept everything they said without using their brain. And also your ultimate rejection of any non-saudi shuyuk and hatred for them. Yet you consider me anti Saudi shuyuk when you did the very same thing. |
[size=20pt]Eid Adha[/size] The smiles go around No-one's here to frown Stand up before in numbers Before our Lord who never slumbers After our prayer is done We go out and have some fun Slaughter the sheep for the sake of Allah But dont forget to say Bismillah The rituals of hajj have jus been done My brothers and sisters who were there for this one May Allah except your prayers and make your deen strong And the rest of this ummah We fasted on the day of Arafah Got our sins for this year and the next forgiven May Allah give us a stronger imaan Ameen ~ Hussein |
^ Lol, "hatred"?. Dont you do the same with other non-Saudi scholars?. Respect must be '2 way street'. Non-Saudi scholars usually respect Saudi scholars but not the other way round. You not ready to take knowledge from non-Saudi scholars cus you consider them "bida't and shirk". But now that i descended hard on you, you want to turn table on me. I dont hate salafi bcus i still pretty much share the ideology to certain extent. Stop saying that. I only detest their idea that they are the only way to Jannah. Simple as that. As for evidence you want to bring about Sheikh Bin Baz, It is something i already read few years ago. Yes, you gonna bring me their excuses instead of you to just admit he made mistakes. And you can do that without being rude. Many already admitted he made mistakes but now you want to implicate him further like he is mistakes free. Let him rest in peace. You should rather focus on asking Allah for his forgiveness. You can bring your "evidences" on and you will realize eventually why the same mushrik that yourself agreed are now funding is!s. The fatwa was simply mistake base on his miscalculated opinion. That's what's hunting Muslims till today. They can manipulate Quran all they want to justify his fatwa. You said in christian thread not long ago that seeking help from mushrik makes one part of them and you cited Maidah 51 as reference. Now you want to defend this by bringing a defense?. It is old. On Hakimiyah, fact remains that they violated Allah's law which is still hunting Muslims today. And that's what ended Kilafa to begin with. That's what some Sufis are saying. Faisal might have ulterior motives, but he was accusing them of the same thing but he did it differently. I dont have any problem with Sheik Bin Baz at all. Rather you his students making them you Lord and patron like anything they said was final NOTING ELSE. That's all am against. |
Resembles what I am having telling my Salafi brothers. Their copy paste and literal inter[retation of religion is "protestant Islam" brought by the British . I forgot to use the phrase long timehttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovi8WgXqHkA |
lexiconkabir:Lol... you read my mind? ![]() I see you peeped through all the time Demmzy15. It is crazy recently right? ![]() |
Bnladan:نعم أنا صوفي طالما التصوف يعني عدم الاكتراث إلى ما هو مع الناس و التوق إلى ما هو مع الله . و أنا صوفي إلا إذا التصوف يدل على إزاحة الستار عن حقائق الغيب و المعرفة مستوحاة من الله الخالق Also, yes, And I am a salafi و أنا السلفي طالما تشير السلفية ل عقد لقانون المقدس مع الممارسات القائمة على ما هو مرنة و متطورة بدلا من تلك التي هي جامدة و ضيقة |
RABIUSHILE04: lol. ....you probably just woke up that time |
^ This one na gisoro or obuko abi? |
Next time close your legs for loser and think from your head So "baby mama" don spread for naija now? . Have your baby in peace and be sure his mama knows about it. |
This is heart felt "tsunami " And feel sad for the brothers and sisters in the West too. It is not as easy as some think. They may have money etc but marriage becomes big issue with lots of surrounding circumstances. |
MY ONE KOBO ADVICE: |
Newnas:Save me sermon you type up there. I don't need preaching this time. But thanks for saying what you said about the royals and shuyuk. Noted. But don't turn around next time and start quoting them like Islamic knowledge starts and ends there like you people do. Now, one question i am going to ask you is TELL ME EXACTLY HOW I AM "FAR FROM PURE ISLAM"?. I need cogent and direct answer cus that's serious allegation you raised when you don't even know me on personal level. That's all. |
I just dey laugh as i read you r comment. It's funny AlBaqir:i understand how you feel. Sunni Ulama did great job by adding after names of every sahaba (RA) as a form of respect. This is good adhab. In the Sunni theology they do not teach muslims specific character of any sahaba save few. Even those we know of questionable character we still add (RTA) after their mentions. We only know they could make mistake bcus they were human beings. It is best and save to respect them especially since you agree Sahaba are muslims. # Explain to us how exactly does Quran 3: 103 abrogate the hadith? I bet you don't know the command of the ayah and the choice that man has. Only one out of that 73 sects fits the description of the Quran. The hadith and the ayah are in perfect harmony.No, it does not abrogate the hadith for obvious reason. The ayah can be explained in at least 3 ways i know of: *** All our obligatory practices >>Salat, Zakat, Ramada and Hajj are foundation that fall under "wahatasimu bi abdil lahi gami ha". We should not deviate or discard them. They are the foundations to success. ***It could mean all muslims must not divided themselves and break up into different faction. And that rope is Allah's Book. And hold on to Jam'ah This is a common meaning. ***It could also mean ALL believers in Allah who strive to uphold His Laws whether Muslims, Jews, or Christians who fight side by side against common enemy. # When you accuse and label me of being sectarian, I gave you brief account of sectarianism of your beloved sahabah who you will die for and emulate! Is there a crime here? Why did you people like hypocrisy?And I am saying Sahabat are long gone 1400yrs ago. What sense does it make by pointing at their differences when we can move on together diligently in 21 century?. It is a command of Allah that we hold on to His rope and not be divided. When i was debating lexicon on permissibly of group dhikr, i said leave sufi people alone. He said we not gonna leave them alone. And you are not ready to leave some of these sahaba you deemed 'hypocrites' alone. Hence, cycle of bs continues. Can you show me a verse in the Quran to support that - that only Him can curse the evil ones and no one else?well, we are talking about adhab here. Muslims (all of us) know Allah cursed jews and kufar. That doesn't mean we should be cursing them for that. But these sahaba you want to curse are muslims. Remember Ayatollah pled to you not to curse anymore? # So much is your "Obey Allah and His Messenger", "if you love Allah, then follow me"i dont disbelieve in any ayat in the Quran. Those we are free to curse are plain and clear without consequences: Shaytan, Firaun etc. Sahaba are muslim. They deserve our respect regardless.[/quote] |
AlBaqir:was gonna ask about this long time but kept forgetting |
Mo ma de ti ke ran bayi o for trying to be "nice guy" solving differences. Cus of that, you too call me hypocrite .lexiconkabir: AlBaqir: |
AlBaqir:They are not here now. Their affairs lie with Allah. It is irrelevant to keep going back to them. Later generation only need to fix what they can rather than instigating it. Yes, the hadith stands but Quran 3:103 overrules. # I believe so much in unity and I (as many Shi'i Ulama and Talabes) do call for it. But its only useful when others are ready to embrace others. Besides, pretending and hiding our core differences can never unite Muslims. We only need to mature to respect our differences, avoid what can bring about attacks and focus only on what connect us. Only then we can unite.I dont think you are really. If you do, you wont bring up those sahaba into the picture again. They will see it and bum bum bum, they turn around to say shia are this and that....and the cycle of hatred goes on. # I am totally disappointed with the second underlined statement. "Sahabah" sounds "ALL" of them!I dont think u should be disappointed bcus at this point. you should already understood i meant NOT ALL. * Allah himself cursed the hypocrites among the Sahabah and promised them double chastisements in His glorious book. How is it a crime that Shia curse these Munafiqun?That is His right. Not us. Allow him to do that. * Nabi himself cursed al-Hakam whom Sunni considered a Sahabi, and Nabi cursed his descendants. How is this a crime if Shia curse this "Sahabi"?We can say the same of Jews. But does it make sense that i go out there cursing them just bcus Allah and his messanger did?. It is matter of adhab. Let them cursed them. It is not out duty to do that. * Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan, a Sahabi not only continue to curse Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib till his death but also enjoined and mandate people to curse Imam Ali ibn Abi Talib whom Nabi, salallahu alayhi wa ahli says, "whoever cursed Ali has cursed me". Do you or can you or you dare accuse Mu'awiyah ibn Abi Sufyan and all his Tabi'in followers of this kufr? Why do you single out Shia for cursing?!Again, let's leave this matter with Allah. It Is not etiquettely sound for us to do that. I cant even cause pig right now. # Please answer faithfully the question posed to you by your co-debater who alleged that Shia curses the "Khulafau rashidun". I'd like you to ask on my behalf who these Khulafau who were Rashidin and Mahdiyyin were. Does it include Ali ibn Abi Talib? If yes, then do Shia curse him also?i think i have answered him politely in a way that would not drag controversies. You on the other hand are pretty much indifferent from what they are doing though. You see why differences will be difficult to solve?. My reply to him shut the door. But what you want me to do intensifies differences * Lastly, I'd like to see Shi'a sihah hadith(s) or athar that says sahabah or Khulafau rashidun are or should be cursed. If you (or your co-debater) however judge by the doings of a fraction Shi'a, then I have no choice than judging the whole Sunni by the actions of Boko Haram, Isis, Isil etc.But some Shi'a actions already proved this. |
lexiconkabir:Let's see what hypocrisy is...... And about Hakimiyyah, these scholars didnt oppose it because of the term itself, but because of the motive behind that term, when the khawaarij a.k.a Al-muhajiroon and Faisal groupies started their nonsense, they were only being political and hell-bent on establishing an islamic caliphate through violence, it was the salafis that tried to put pressure on them so they put their focus on tawheed and forget about the nonsense they were doing, so due to constant pressure that the salafis placed on the muhajiroon regarding the importance of calling to tawheed in the 1990s, this ultimately caused them to succumb to the primary obligation of calling to tawheed. However, still hell-bent on maintaining their political objectives, they adopted an innovated concept of tawheed and its categories, which opposed the classical defintion. thus in their rhetoric related tawheed it can be observed that in most cases they give reference to "Hakimiyyah"(rulership and sovereignty), which in itself is not a category, rather a facet of one of the main categories. This should provoke the question: why the need to extract a part of tawheed which is found in one of its main categories and then promote it as one of its main categories? their lectures proves their aim clearly, seeing the opportunity which lies within the force of tawheed, they cunningly recognized the political potential this term has and it is very powerful IN RADICALIZING THE YOUTHS, this is why they are hell-bent on making Hakimiyyah a category on its own.Well, this is old story and am not getting back to that. The era was long gone. What i can tell you for fact is, the reason they raged with anger was bcus of their (Royals) role in dismantling caliphate in 1924. That's open secret. It has nothing to do with faisal alone. Sufis raised the same concern. You just brushed it aside now like Khilaf is nothing. Exactly why it was unable to resurface again bcus the Royals got monthly $$$$ to violate Allah's Law and Command. Yes, King AbdulAziz was paid by the British to violate SPECIFIC Law in the Quran by the British. That's the position of Sufis. That's exactly what Faisal was doing. Just did it differently. Faisal and salafis have the same traits. How about all those people i mentioned days earlier in the US and UK. They are salafis. shaykh ibn uthaymeen said; 'What does 'al-Haakimiyyah' mean?' It does not mean except their saying that judgement/decree is for Allaah alone ' and that is Tawheedur-Ruboobiyyah. So Allaah, He is the Lord, the Creator, the Sovereign Owner, the One in control of the affairs.maybe u should watch his video up there again with nigerian salafi. The brother was asked direct question but he mumbled shaykh Albanee has already made it clear he opposed the idea because of their political motive behind it, i hope you read that too.Yes, i read it. now Empire.e if you dont have a dodgy motive, you should see the sense in what i'm saying, and i give you the benefit of doubt.What is gine is gone. I am not going back strives bt wsheik faisal and saudi royals. He was extreme at some point but it is understood why. Now, Faisal, despite his strong argument against Shi'a, he said in his ecture back then that muslim can still pray behind or with some shi'a. But here on NL, non of you salafi brotehr want to hear anything about shia. You brush them off like they are bunch of kufar.. Same with Sufis. Sheik Fiasal only against "grave worshipers" not essense of sufism. But here, the so called salafis people are ready to wage war on sufi and shia. And yu here telling me yui are better than Faisal?. At least he is considerate but not any of you here. Now, I am personally not against Saudi Shuyuk. And whatever their royals are doing is their business. I have a lot to worry about than them. My point is and the reason i go against them sometimes is bcus your their students......YOU YOU YOU and YOU. You think if a sheik from other parts of the world speaks, it is nonsense. You already did the same here when i posted their videos. You dont believe them unless you hear from Saudi Shuyuk. Isnt that hypocrisy too?. Did Rosullulah(saw) behaved like that?. This is partisan and discrimination. It is a sign of bad student if you just copy and paste what they said without objection if it is necessary. That's called "taqlid". I take from them and other from any parts of the world. And you did not address why they had to innovate bunch of Tawheed after Ibn Tayimmiyah brought two categories?. They innovated 3 or 2 more. Isnt Allah's Names and Attributes not enough to understand that Allah ALONE is Law Giver, Sovereign, Lordship etc?. Now just bcus they replied Sheik Faisal back then doesnt mean they were right. Sheik Imran raised same issue. I told you that. WHich means, contrary to what you said that the One who is worshiped is also Law Giver. Everyone understands they worship Allah but what Sheik Imran also had problem with them is "Law Giver" which they violated when the British paid King Abdul Aziz to VIOLATE ayah of Allah for worldly gain. It is on the net. Go and read it. Yes, Faisal had ulterior motives but he was saying the same thing. It was the same rejection of "Hakimiyah" was the reason Sheik Bn Baz(ra) gave fatwa for US military presence in the land of Muhammad ibn Abdullah(saw) till today. That was faisal's argument. Many people know but they dont want to criticize Sheik bin Baz. That's just the right thing for them to do out of respect for him. It iwasa mistake. And some said he might made tauba before he passed. (May Allah forgive him) I am done talking on this cus it is old. |
lexiconkabir:shaking my head. You may never understand ![]() |
AlBaqir:Well, as you know, i am not into sect. I have learned long ago it i a very stup!d thing. It does not allow common sense to take its course. One simply gets soft spot for the side he/she belongs. Thats partisan. Islam against all this bs I started growing sympathy for the Shia in 2006 when "Sunni awakening" turned back on their heels in iraq. Saw a dead body with no head and i asked what the heck is this?. The brother replied, this is a shia dog. we will continue killing them for $$$ bcus they are jews in islam bla bla bla. Even after that, i still debated shia bcus i was a full blown salafi that time. Have realized that that this whole bs sectarianism is solvable ONLY IF all sides STOP their boolsh!t and focus on what unite muslims. And SHia have gotta stop cursing Sahaba. That's the issue i have been raising since. If differences would be solve by constantly attacking each other, it would have been solved long ago by that. All sides have problems. BIG PROBLEM whether salafis, Sufis, Shia, Sunni u name it. My approach is very simple ONLY if everyone would put down their boxing gloves. When i analysed my approach few yrs ago on how to solve differences, a sister said "as beautiful as it sounds, Salafi will NEVER get along with anyone who is not salafi". Obviously and unfortunately it is very true. That's why you see me against them in most cases bcus I wont let them breath until they put their boxing gloves down. |
Bnladan:We discussed that many times btw me and him and his fellow shi'a. I believe it is islamically wrong. One not supposed to do that even with non-muslims. However, I have read on their Ayatollah issuing fatwa against cursing sahaba. Again, sunni should not used this constantly against them to cause strive. Not all of them do this now. I also presented ahadith frowning at cursing any of the companions. It is a matter of adhab not faith. And the punishment(if any) they get is with Allah. We can take religion aside for a minute and let them know it is islamically unacceptable to curse people for no reason especially the dead. |
[quote author=AlBaqir post=49127729][/quote]Let's see [size=14pt]Shi'a:[/size] Hands are washed two times [size=14pt]Sunni:[/size] Hands are washed one or two or three times It is believed in the Sunni text that one time is wajib. two/three times is Sunnah So no problem here. ****** [size=14pt]Shi'a[/size] Mouth is washed two times [size=14pt]Sunni[/size] Mouth are rinsed one or two or three times Here again, number of times is not the problem so long as it is done at least one time. What is noticed here however is "CHOICE OF WORD". You know too well that rinse does not mean we mix listerine with water. Clearly it is choice of word. ******* [size=14pt]Shi'a[/size] Water is sniffed through the nose in and out two times [size=14pt]Sunnni[/size][/size] Water is sniffed through the nose one or two or three times Again, to be sincere, there is still no difference. Number of times has NEVER been problem. Just that when we used to doing it 3x, it becomes custom. One time is fard and in my opinion, 2 or 3 times are for precaution purposes. ******** [size=14pt]Shi'a Face is washed two times (with thumb and middle fingers determining the length side-wise) up - down. [size=14pt]Sunni[/size] Face is washed anyhow one or two or three times See @shia underlined, it is just precaution. I am sure there are individual Sunnis who do similar one way or the other. As for Sunni's 'anyhow', face is face. i watch my face from forehead covering entire sides of my face to shin. Hence, face is washed. ******** [size=14pt]Shi'a[/size] Arms are washed twice each usually from elbows to tips of the fingers [size=14pt]Sunni[/size] Arms are washed from tip of the fingers till elbows one or two or three times Here, one notices differences where washing starts to end. Still, i see nothing wrong again. What is important is hand is washed.. The same can be said when it comes to sitting position in salat. Salafi for instance wants particular way "according to Sunnah" to them. But that wat is almost impossible for every muslim. So far, i am yet to see any difference. ********* [size=14pt]Shi'a[/size] Frontal part of the head is wipe once [size=14pt]Sunni[/size] Whole head is wiped from front to back, and returned from back to front. Some Sunni only wipe front to back. Here seems to be confusing with respect to Shi'a. I see it as lazy attempt. Why not wipe down for short?. Although there are sunnis who do the same, usually lazy ones or attempt to finish wudhu really quick. *********** [size=14pt]Shi'a[/size] And feet are wipe from tip of the toes to the "ankle" that joined the feet and the leg, once. [size=14pt]Sunni[/size] Feet are washed with enough water to desirability from ankle downward or anyhow (but ankle is limitation). Let's say with respect to feet, Shi'a economize water. I know the importance of water in wudhu actually. Rasulullah(SAW) warned of wasting water especially in wudhu. He said minimising water in wudhu is door to "firasa" i:e spiritual insight. My grandpa who taught me wudhu used to sing descriptions of wudhu. He would say "Ka ma se omi di e di e si o ri ke ri ke aluwala mustahab lo je (minimising water in wudhu is mustahab). See my breakdown show no BIG difference btw the two except if we want to be sectarian?. Same applies to the brother who said shia do not make wudhu the prophet way. What is the other way here other than sectarianism?. However, i notice Shi'a skipped wiping ear. Any reason for that or you forgot to add that? |
Newnas:newnas newnas . Cant believe you could be so soft and gentle reading your reply up there. I understand what albaqir was trying to point out as regard to nifsu sak. But if you watch Nigerian brothers, they wont blink a second before awarding everyone certificate of hell. They want no excuse for "below the ankle". Is it that after albaqir posted pix of Saudi scholars and royals you came out soft?. Na wa ooo.Anyway, i remember in my days back then, i was talking to nigerian brother on fb and he said he wouldn't give his daughter in marriage to any muslim whose pant is below the ankle. I jejeli ignored him and smh for him. Just wondering why these ppl adopted this madness when in fact arabic people dont give a fig leaf about (nifsu sak). |
Oklander:It is just sectarianism. Thank God you spotted that. As you can see from his analysis about WUDHU, it is similar. Sectarianism is what's clouding people's reasoning these days. The brother up there said Shi'a dont perform wudhu the way of the prophet. Shia said the same. But from the table above, you only notice choice of words WASH/WIPE. Once sectarianism is trashed, the rest is solvable. But many people dont get it. That's usually hardliners from both sides. At least you recognise you learned things from him compared to some. By the way, i love your signature. It describes me perfectly ![]() |
Bnladan:I am not gonna waste my time about Shi'a thing. They are recognised as muslims. If not, they wont be allowed to perform Hajj for 1400 yrs and counting. If there is any questionable activities within them, that can easily be dissolved ONLY if all sides would put their ego aside. There is ALWAYS a way around differences |
lexiconkabir:Well, he argued otherwise back then. I know they replied him with your post but he disagreed. As you can see in the video, i think it speaks volume. They only derived "Tawheed Hakimiyah" from Allah's Hukm. Just like other branches of Tawheed were derived. But to call him ignorant, i wont say that bcus reading their statements up there saying Hakimiyah is innovation?, the same can be said of them too when they claimed you have to be salafi and salafi salih. It is all a joke. They only played with names. For me, I no sabi this or that Tawheed. It is ALL invention. Once a muslim believe in Allah and His Oneness, we know by default(His 99 Names) He is everything about different branches of Tawheed. Hence, why would they invent all these Twaheeds in the first place. Remember, Sheik Faisal himself is salafi (ideologically) but only detests "Saudi Salafi" as he called them. Indeed, further scrutiny shows that he might be correct. Sheik Imran Hussein raised the same issue in his lecture in Disney Australia in 2002. Just that he did not say "Tawheed Hakimiyah". He only emphasised on Allah being The Law Giver in direct warning to Saudi Royals. In that case, it is very wrong to claim Sheik Faisal is misguided when they too did the same thing. My point is i dont have problem with the invention "Hakimiyah" in as much it refers to Law Giver. Sheik ul Islam Ibn Tayimiyah (ra) only categorized tawheed into two: Tawheed Ar-Ruboobiyyaah and Tawheed Al Asmaa Was Sifaat. So where did these scholars get the 3rd from. Is it safe to say they innovated too?. Fact is, we dont really need all these terms. They break them down only for educational purposes. It is however suspicious when the Arabia scholars you quoted rebelled against "Tawheed Hakimiyah". I know why they did that. Your favorite website, https://islamqa.info/en/10262 says there is nothing wrong in newly invented name, word etc. It is just name so long as the content is khayr. But when Sufis also invented "Tasawuf", "Tawasul", they screamed SHIRK SHIRK. I'm going to say this again, we are all playing games. That's what it is. Saudi scholars etc just trying to claim authority for islam. That's all. All these Tawheed this and that are invention. If they invented 3 and 4th categories of Tawheed, which is innovation, i dont think they have the right to blame those who invented Hakimiyah either bcus they derived the meaning from Quran as well. They only condemned them [Faisal etc] bcus of their militant approach. Plus Hakimiyah deals SPECIFICALLY with Law Giver. Separated from WORSHIP according to them. We dont need all these terminology. A learned muslim could easily recognised all those invented Tawheeds through Allah's 99 Names and Attributes. So i don't need these terminology either. I have them exactly as you pasted on my Quran printed at the King Fard Complex. So you ain't telling me anything new actually. |
RABIUSHILE04:Lol....I cant believe you would greet him knowing fully well the way you talked before he came?. You talked like he's subhuman. Now you so cool. I hail thee |
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