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Bnladan:
Afwan ya akhee, hal anta Sufiy?

[size=20pt]أنا مسلم[/size]

^ You mean this Sheik?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=InWJxScnaCw&spfreload=5

This was my days in Salafism. It brings back memory. These brothers think I am joking when i said i was in salafism. I enjoyed those days. However, this sheik is considered extremist by Saudi and UK govt. He vehemently against Saudi Shuyuk and kings. I reject some of his idea but he still fine.


Link https://umarlee./2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us-final/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KnJxiz_jFBk

kolaa007:
i have a few but they are arround ifo ogun state...

u cant give price?

I have spoken. Stop Condemning Other Sects. That's ALL my point

This is not about "winning" argument. Stop being EMOTIONAL. That's irrelevant.

AlBaqir:
Shukran for bringing this "hygienity" aspect of this discussion to the fore.

# An obvious view see the issue of Nifsu sak as literal and nothing else. The hadith says, "The part of an Izar which hangs below the ankles is in the Fire". Should we really take this hadith literal? If yes then it is only the "part of an Izar" that will be consumed by fire not the ankle provided we are going to put on dress in Qiyamat. Please who cares?

Lol

lexiconkabir:
You are on your own.....

Not easy to defend right?. Good. You got my point. Dont be accusing other sects and purify yours. Wrong...very wrong. Aqeeda is matter of heart. Only Allah knows that. He has not given anyone authority to access that. Even hypocrites smiles at you, pray with you but when they are alone, they are something else. That's EXACTLY what happened to those Salafis in the West.

They are friends with fellow muslims in the open. They prayed with us and everything. But when they got caught by Law enforcement for ridiculous thing they do when no one was watching, in order to reduce their sentences, they pled to spy for govt on their fellow muslims. And you telling me here they are following Qur'an and Sunnah?. What a joke!

And of course, not all of them just too many. And there are sincere ones who now left the salafism and just being muslim. I am a muslim. That's what Quran and sunnah recognized. FULL STOP

Assalamu alaikum Brother XXXXXX, I hope this mail finds u in good health and iman. Thank u for your recent phone call updating me on the Islamic situation in XXXXXXX.

Our quarrel with the Saudi salafis is not a simple one like many people would like to believe. Our quarrel is about the validity of the shahada of the Saudi salafis itself. I have strong doubts about their Islam to an extent where i wouldn’t even dishonor myself by going to the janaaza of a salafi, due to 4 major reasons. The first reason is that they go against the ijmaa of the ummah. Allah has promised the Hell-fire for anyone who is guilty of going against the ijmaa of the Muslims. Hence Allah said:

And whosoever contradicts and opposes the Rasool after the guidance was made clear to him and follows a path other than the way of the believers, We shall keep him in the path which he has chosen and throw him in Hell — what an evil abode! surah an-Nisaa 4:115

All the scholars of tafseer agree unanimously among themselves that the above-mentioned ayah is clear evidence that it is incumbent on all those who claim to be Muslims to abide by the ijmaa of the ummah. unfortunately the Saudi salafis are a stray sect because they are guilty of contradicting the ijmaa of the ummah hence they have made up their own islam. This puts them in the category of the zindeeq {heretic} Other famous zindeeqs of this century are the Nation of Islam started by Elija Muhammad as well as the Berailwia, Ahmadia/ Qadiyania, the ismailia/Agha khania etc etc.

I will now outline to you the ijmaa which the Saudi salafis are guilty of going against. Ibn kathir and Ibn Taymiyya [rh] said:

“It is known of Islam by necessity and it is the agreement of all the Muslims that if you dismantle the sharia it makes you become a kafir. Then ibn kathir elaborated and said: “And such a person should be fought till he returns to the sharia of Muhammad {saw}”

Please review tafseer ibn kathir for the explanation of maida 50 for the evidence of what was said about the ijmaa of the muslims. Also see fatawa vol 28 pp.524 for the evidence of ibn Taymiyya’s verdict on this crucial issue.

What causes me to abhor and despise the saudi salafis with a passion is because they claim to follow the 2 noble scholars ibn kathir and ibn Taymiyya yet they rebel against their ijmaa. This is hypocrisy of the highest order.

The other issue we have with the Saudi salafis is that they do not practice al walaa wal baraa i.e. loving and hating for the sake of Allah. Al walaa wal baraa is one of the 7 conditions of shahada. The salafis give their allegiance to the greatest enemies of Islam in return for materialism. About people like these Allah said:

And you love wealth fanatically. surah al fajr 89:20

But you prefer the life of this world even though the Hereafter is better and everlasting. surah al a’laa 87:16-17

The above-mentioned ayah is clear evidence that some so-called muslims their major concern is only the pomp and glitter of this world and not to spread the pure teachings of Muhammad {saw}

The 3rd issue we have with the Saudi salafis is that they claim that tawheed Haakimiyya is not an aspect of the Deen. They even claim that tawheed haakimiyya is a bid’ah [cursed innovation] The Saudi salafis are so jahil they do not know that Muhammad Ibrahim [the shaikh of bin baaz] said in page 6 of his book tahkeem al qawaaneen:

“Tawheed haakimiyya is the twin half of tawheed ibaada.”

Some of them happen to be aware of this fatwa of Muhammad ibrahim so they reprint his book and remove this precious and crucial fatwa which was meant to guide the ummah of Muhammad.

When prophet Yusuf was in prison he taught tawheed to the inmates in prison and he taught them all 4 branches of tawheed. hence he said:

“There is no law-giver except Allah.” { inil hukmu illa lillah}surah yusuf 12:40

The above-mentioned Qur’anic verse represents Tawheed haakimiyya hence anyone who claims that its not an aspect of the deen is guilty of rejecting faith in the very Qur’an itself and this means the salafis who reject Allah’s haakimiyya are infidels outside the fold of islam.

The 4th issue we the members of ahlus sunnah wal jamaa’ah have with the salafis is that they do not reject the taghoot. In order for a person to be a Muslim he/she has to reject the taghoot and then believe in Allah. To believe in Allah is not enough to make us Muslims. The biggest taghoot in our midst today is the apostate regimes who have given their walaa {allegiance} to the USA, UK, Israel, UN, IMF, NATO and all the other dajjaal forces on the earth.

The salafi scholars have reinterpreted Islam to cement the thrones of these apostate leaders in exchange for the material things of this world i.e. fame & fortune. Allah used 2 words to describe the scholars of the salafi movement in the Qur’an, donkeys and dogs. These descriptions are for all the wicked scholars of this ummah. A donkey doesn’t know the value of the knowledge which it has on its back and a dog if you feed him he lolls his tongue out and if you drive him away he still lolls his tongue out. Because the scholars of the Saudi salafis are on the payroll of these apostate regimes its haram to take your deen from them. They have become wicked scholars. About them ibn Mubaarak said;

“If you see a scholar going to the gates of the leader don’t trust him with your deen because he is a thief”

Allah said about rejecting the taghoot:

And whosoever rejects the taghoot and then believes in Allah, then he has grasped the strongest of handhold that will never break. surah Baqara 2:256

Not only did the Saudi salafis refuse to reject the taghoot but they have reinterpreted Islam to protect the regimes of these taghoots. This is apostasy of the highest order. Since the salafi as a movement have a problem with me Shaikh Faisal I suggest they accept my challenge for a public debate on the subject of Authentic Tawheed. The salafis of Nigeria accepted this challenge and the debate is now on the internet for the world to see who is lying and who is speaking the truth. If the salafis refuse to accept my challenge for a public debate on this crucial subject [Tawheed] which is the core of our deen, we shall dismiss them as a bunch of hypocrites & apostates who are there to lead the Muslims astray with their satanic interpretation of Islam. This is my answer to the salafis all over the world who have a problem with my aqeeda {creed}

Yours in Deen,

SHAIKH FAISAL


WRITTEN: OMAR ALI
OCTOBER 24, 2008 AT 4:30 PM

P.S.
assalamu alaikum bro Yousef. I forgot to mention a crucial point in my article about the salafis. the point is they are the real khawaarij yet they are calling everyone khawaarij. The hadith said the main sign of a khawaarij is that they leave alone the kuffar and kill the Muslims. These apostate regimes of the talafis allow the usa army who are crusader to use their land and airspace to kill 1000s of muslims in iraq & afghanistan so who are the real khawaarij, who are the real dogs of jahannam?




Your Problem Is NAMES of Sects. Any names other than Salafi is considered shirk and bidah automatically. This Is very wrong madhab

lexiconkabir:
Well ive seen muslims denying Allaah's attributes or trying to distort them,

You said "muslims". Now this would not mean sect. A muslim from any sect can say what they want. My concern is you claiming only salafi is correct. Now watch this video. A salafi man denying Allah's Attribute or tried to distort it. Sheik Faisal and "saudi salafis" fought over this bcus saudi salafi dont believe in this Allah's Attribute. They believe Ibn Taymiyah (ra) invented it.

It is only 10 mins


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iwnx7OdD8Fk


^ and what happens if you deny Allah as the Law Giver?. What does Quran says about it?. You can see the saudi influenced nigerian salafi student denied Tawheed Hakimiyah.

This video reminds me of my days in salafism. I was mad in love with it back then. So do you also deny this Allah's Attribute?

and you certainly know you are one of them.

You better watch it bcus you dont know me personally to be so so so sure i am one of them. I believe in ALL Allah's Names and Attributes. I really dont know what you meant by distortion. You may have to give me example of that.

What I am trying to tell you since is, there is no single sect in islam that does not have dent in it. But you want to accuse all other sect of shikr and bidah and purifies yours. That's what i am against. I dont belong to any tariqa or sect. However, if a salafi criticizes certain practices of sufi that they do not understand like "congregational dhikr", i have to defend that bcus i understand why they do that. Either it is backed in the Sunnah or qiyas.

But i will let you keep guessing who i am. I am trying to wheedle you to get to know how much you've acquired in salafism. That's why i am not wasting my time trying to define "tawheed or bid'a". You simply assumed i dont know. Noted

Jidibia:
Bro, u did not understand my take. I deal in ram as my business which is my source of livelyhood, now I go to the market to buy other products for consumption and prices of those things have gone up, I will definately increase the prices of my ram.

Ohh well, i can understand. But what I am saying is people that sell locally like you sell ram , govt should have lower fixed rate for fuel and other necessities to be able to transport your rams and their basic daily living. That way, you not affected. Price would not jump this high. This is too damn high man.

Well, didnt know you deal in Ram business. Look at the picture below. How much will this cost in Ogun state?. And which state are you located?

lexiconkabir:
Here is the full definition of tawheed in the Qur'an;

"Lord of the heavens and the earth and all that is between them, (i.e Ruboobiyyah)

So worship Him alone and be constant and patient in His worship (i.e Uloohiyyah)

Do you know of any who is similar to Him? (i.e. Asmaa was-Sifaat) " {Quran 19:65}

Do you firmly believe(aqeedah) in this ayah?

This is not my concern. My concern is, have seen any muslim denied these?.

How about Tawheed "hakimiyah"?. You left it out?

Jidibia:
The reason why dollar should affect local market is this: I cannot sell my locally produced goods for cheap, while I buy imported goods at exorbitant prices. If I do that I will find it difficult to cope with the current economy situation.

First all, every nigerian buy goods from abroad?. Second, this is the reason govt needs to encourage agriculture locally and I will support banning large import of goods (to sell) in nigeria. Ingenious should be encouraged to produce from within by using their brain. You are making other countries rich by importing food product. Nigeria should NEVER allowed that. They have all that locally but no one wants to farm or herds livestocks

lexiconkabir:
Then give us the exact word TAWHEED in the Quran, when you dont find it, call tawheed bid'ah!

Really if this was coming from Christians i would've understood, but from muslim is a BIG DISAPPOINTMENT, commom you can do better!

You dont know what bid'ah is, yet you go around claiming you once followed the pious predecessors of the religion....

Is Arabic like English? to know what a word means(in arabic), dont we need to check its root? Isnt it the science of sarf that makes a word change to give an intented meaning? Doesnt it all go back to the root? Aqeedah comes from Aqada and aqqada(qa-un having shaddah making the word even stronger) in that verse referred to their DELIBERATE OATH, isnt that belief with certainty in the heart? Isn't that what aqeedah is all about?

Smh.

Keep stretching it. Anyways, so according to you, ONLY the SALAFI have "correct" Tawheed and the rest of the muslims are bidah and shirk right?. You must be living in disneyland. And, no i am not here to define Tawheed or bid'ah. That's not my concern. Everyone here is not kid. They understood the terms.

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lexiconkabir:
Aqeedah comes from the word aqada, now see this verse;

"Allaah will not punish you for what is unintentional in your oaths, but He will punish you for your deliberate oaths (bimaa ‘aqqadtum al-aymaan)…" {Quran 5:89}

Shaking my head. Seems to me you were just introduced to Salafism. You just growing wings. No offence. I knew you would come u with that. That's exactly what Sheik in the video i posted said, that it came from the word "Aqada". That's just linguistic analysis. But "aqeeda" as we know it today is innovated word which means "belief system" etc. But in the verse you quoted "aqada" means something slightly different. I only asked you for the word "AQEEDA" but you failed.

Now, dont get me wrong. I do not have problem with the word "aqeeda". Many things are invented to make things easy. Another example is "At-Tassawuf". But there is nothing called tasawwuf in the kitab and sunnah. Scholars invented it and it means the very same thing "Ihsan" which is in Qur'an and Sunnah. Similarly, Aqeeda, similar word used in the kitab wa sunnah is Iman (belief or faith). NOT "aqada". Aqeeda is only terminology derived from aqada. Same thing can be said of " Tawasul". Tawasul is not mentioned in the Quran. what is in the quran is "Wasila" but they mean the same thing and every muslim use the terms today.

she's only seeking attention. She cant get enough of that. That's fact. Till today, Colonial (christians) system of govt and academy is what is being maintained in nigeria. Muslims are yet to rally against that. But time is coming soon for that.

AlBaqir:
@underline, which differences are you talking about? With who? I strongly doubt I've ever had any discussion or argument with him. Please bro, avoid mentioning my name in such context. If he's reasonable enough, he will challenge whatever my submission make him paranoid.

To be honest with you, I was seeing his moniker for the first time yesterday or 3 days ago. From the way he talked, i assumed you and him had convos in the past..

See the kind thing i talk?. So he never really talked to you but already judged you?. This is what i am telling these brothers. I sincerely thought you and him had debated before. Well, again, you have option to ignore him. But i will advice him to directly confront you instead of wielding his stick behind your back

lexiconkabir:
^^ replying you is a waste of time, as ive seen so much rubbish for someone claiming to have threaded the path of salafiyyah.

You dont seem to know their aqeedah correctly, saying aqeedah is bid'ah, when you don't even seem to know the definition of bid'ah correctly, so replying you is a waste of time putting into consideration my past experience with you.

Whether you like it or not, the ummah can never unite upon falsehood, get over it!

The last part of the ummah cannot be stable if the first part is not.


Allaah musta"aan.

Pardon?. Can you show my in the Qur'an and hadith where "Aqeeda" is mentioned?. The way you are behaving is that of Jabata and Salafis i posted earlier.. It is the way of arrogance was the reason law enforcement trashed them out. Just show me "evidence" of the WORD "aqeeda". Please dont give me tawheed and all that. I need AQEEDA

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[quote author=RABIUSHILE04 post=49098386][/quote]Well, i understand. He and others have history. Unfortunately, i cant speak for him since you said you lived in their midst before. I only deal with outer creed of muslims. I do not penetrate their heart. Only Allah knows that. If a muslim (regardless of sect prays as regulated, mandated, institutionalized) in the Sunnah, that's it for me. He/she is my brother. I do not penetrate further. That's my stand. The rest is left for Allah not any human.

In my humble- honest opinion, dollar's rise should NEVER ever impact local market. Govt should have been firm on price control regardless. And they should make gas available for transporting Rams at very low rate.

Dollar rates or not should only be a matter btw govt and international countries. Anyways, the reason i am here is to get price for a BIG RAM in Ogun State. When i said BIG, I meant like this.

Any idea please?

This is another young man speaking intelligently. Disagree with him or not


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N7DGwpo3Zg4

Seems to me you brothers were just introduced to "Salafism" and you believe it is the only way to jannah. You wrong. I have been there done that. Their ideology is, any shuyuk that speak of Islam, if they do not include "Saudi Shuyuk", they must be "alhu bid'at. This is very wrong. It iis like judging fellow muslims by dress and look. Where did Allah and His messanger gave you that criteria to decide who is right or wrong?

Video below is fantastic example of that


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i2A8Akb1-s0

By saying one MUST be salafi to enter paradise or, that you are the onlt one on the right path, is exactly how Jews and christians behaved those days.


Qur'an says:


"They say, "Be Jews or Christians [so] you will be guided." Say, "Rather, [we follow] the religion of Abraham, inclining toward truth, and he was not of the polytheists." 2:135

Exactly what you people are doing now. ^^^

Point is, if you go to any mosque and they pray the way you pray (which is what it is), then you do not have right to accuse anyone of bida or something. khlas!


Here is the Sheik again speaking on "aqeedah & tawheed. If you disagree with him, then you have MAJOR problem.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6-pND2HOFzo

Get out of sectarian bs

Seems you quoted me wrong up there. I can't possibly read correctly. What I grabbed is you seemsed to say " when I was in salafism"

See, you are dealing with NAMES and LOOKS. That's the biggest problem muslims are having today. Allah called us Muslims but Saudi shuyuk especially sheik Albany (ra) innovated the idea of salafism and devided muslims in the name of "aqeeda". Meanwhile, the word "aqeeda" itself is neither in the Quran, not in the sunnah. It is innovated word. So you now make it upon yourself that whoever is "salafi" automatically following the sunnah and sahaba. This is very silly method. I cited incidents of salafism in the UK, US what they did and how their ideology didn't get them no where. Even op admitted that.

I'm sorry, I don't judge Muslims by sect they belong by their look. I do not believe in the idea of a "saved sect" out either. I'm going to ask you again, did you watch the video I posted up there? .

If you did your won't even accused any sects anymore bus what he said is base on Quran and sunnah. Unfortunately he detested anthropomorphism which is believed by the salafism bcus it's a road to SHIRK and I agree with him.

RABIUSHILE04:
I tell u nothing. U can take the post as u like, no one cares. Everytyn he's bn posting are from a person who is from the shias(LIARS), muslims can't take dat. Even from isnads of hadiths, if a person wif a very little shady character is present in d isnad, scholars will be wary of dat hadiths. Talkless of someone like Albaqir wif his bad post abt cloths below ankles, breastfeeding adults, and many more of his evil doctrinated posts. I'll leave u with a quote from Imaam Albani; One proof is enought for the seeker of knowledge, a million proofs is not enough for the ignorant one and
Imam Ibn Taymiyyah (rahimahullah) said:
“The sign of the people of bid’ah is that they do
not follow the salaf.”
[Majmoo’ al-Fatawa (4/155)]

^
Iron out your differences with him (albaqir)

But I can guarantee you that your ain't dealing with him SUNNATIC way. Yoruba people said,

"Okun ki wo ruru ka wa ruru."

I don't understand how Nigerians think. This is not the time for blame game. PDP would not have done better. I'm sure if PDP wins next election, the same blame game will exist.

Stop blaming and get to work. It's very bad idea to think what govt can do for you. Think of what you can do for the country or at least for your family. There is one thing, one big investment Nigerians have abandoned - FARMING!!!

You need to return to farm and stop your obsession with crude oil, white collar jobs etc.

Go back to your abandoned farms. Stop acting like "big guys". No money... yet, they have all these silly tv programs they wasted money on.

usermane:
A traditional Muslim woman dress dragging on the ground is not considered dirty in God's sight but a traditional Muslim man's dress touching the ground is condemned as dirty in the sight of God? Hmmm..... dogmas. Of course, believe whatever you choose but filth is filth whether on the hem of a man's trouser or the hem of a woman's dress. It is not even an Islamic subject. No hygienic person would let their cloth drag on the ground in the name of pride, religion or modesty.

Common man, you are better than this. You can as well criticize God for mentioning "man", "men", "male" many places in the Qur'an without directly addressing females.......smh

[size=20pt]Wiping The Hands On The Face After Dua:[/size]

Narration of Umar Bin Khattab (RA) in Tirmidhi:

حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏أَبُو مُوسَى مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى ‏ ‏وَإِبْرَاهِيمُ بْنُ يَعْقُوبَ ‏ ‏وَغَيْرُ وَاحِدٍ ‏ ‏قَالُوا حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏حَمَّادُ بْنُ عِيسَى الْجُهَنِيُّ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏حَنْظَلَةَ بْنِ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ الْجُمَحِيِّ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏سَالِمِ بْنِ عَبْدِ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏أَبِيهِ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏عُمَرَ بْنِ الْخَطَّابِ ‏ ‏رَضِيَ اللَّهُ عَنْهُ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏كَانَ رَسُولُ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏إِذَا رَفَعَ يَدَيْهِ فِي الدُّعَاءِ لَمْ يَحُطَّهُمَا حَتَّى يَمْسَحَ بِهِمَا وَجْهَهُ ‏

Musaa Muhammad ibn Al-Muthannaa and Ibraahim ibn Ya’qub and more than one stating that Hammaad ibn ‘Eesaa Al-Juhani narrated to us from Hanthalah ibn Abi Sufyaan Al-Jumahiy from Saalim ibn Abdullah from his father (Abdullah ibn Umar) from Umar ibn Al-Khattab (radhiya Allahu ‘Anhu) who said that Rasulullah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) when raising his hands in du’aa, would not put them down until he had wiped his face with them.



Verdict of Imam Tirmidhi (RA):


قَالَ ‏ ‏مُحَمَّدُ بْنُ الْمُثَنَّى ‏ ‏فِي حَدِيثِهِ ‏ ‏لَمْ يَرُدَّهُمَا حَتَّى يَمْسَحَ بِهِمَا وَجْهَهُ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏ ‏أَبُو عِيسَى ‏ ‏هَذَا ‏ ‏حَدِيثٌ صَحِيحٌ غَرِيبٌ ‏ ‏لَا نَعْرِفُهُ إِلَّا مِنْ حَدِيثِ ‏ ‏حَمَّادِ بْنِ عِيسَى ‏ ‏وَقَدْ تَفَرَّدَ بِهِ وَهُوَ قَلِيلُ الْحَدِيثِ وَقَدْ حَدَّثَ عَنْهُ النَّاسُ ‏ ‏وَحَنْظَلَةُ بْنُ أَبِي سُفْيَانَ الْجُمَحِيُّ ‏ ‏ثِقَةٌ وَثَّقَهُ ‏ ‏يَحْيَى بْنُ سَعِيدٍ الْقَطَّانُ

At-Tirmithi continues, “This hadith is Sahih ghareeb1, we do not know it save from the hadith of Hammad ibn ‘Eesaa, and he alone narrates this [from Hanthala]. He has few hadith and the people reported from him. And Hanthalah ibn Abi Sufyaan al-Jumahiy is thiqah (highly trustworthy), and he was declared thiqah by Yahyaa ibn Sa’id Al-Qattaan.”



1) Meaning narrated by one person - as is the nomenclature of the scholars of hadith



Verdict of Al-Hafidh Imam Ibn Hajr Asqalani (RA) in Bulughul Maram:



Al-Hafidh Imam Ibn Hajar Asqalani (RA), Author of the one of the most trusted commentaries of Saheeh Bukhari narrates this Hadeeth in Bulughul Maram and then writes:

وَلَهُ شَوَاهِدُ مِنْهَا:

There are other traditions which support this narration, of which are:

حَدِيثُ اِبْنِ عَبَّاسٍ: عَنْ أَبِي دَاوُدَ . وَمَجْمُوعُهَا يَقْتَضِي أَنَّهُ حَدِيثٌ حَسَنٌ .


The Hadeeth narrated by Ibn Abbas (RA) related by Abi Dawud and others. Put together, they confirm that it (this Hadeeth) is Hasan.


Verdict of Shawkani (RA) in Nawlul Awtaar:

Imam Shawkani (RA) accepts this narration as Hasan in Mawlul Awtaar


Verdict of Shaykh San'ani (RA):

Muhammad bin Ismail Al-Sanani (RA) wrote a commentary of Bulughul Maram (printed by Darus-Salam publications, Riyadh KSA) in which he writes:

وفيه دليل على مشروعية مسح الوجه باليدين بعد الفراغ من الدعاء

…And it (this Hadeeth) contains a proof for the legitimacy of wiping one’s face with the hands after making du`a.



Verdict of Shaykh Abdullah Al-Bassam:

Shaykh Abdullah Al-Bassam mentions in Taudeehul Ahkaam (his commentary of Bulooghul Maraam) that this Hadeeth has supporting Narrations which strengthen each other, thus the Hadeeth gains strength from these routes and a number of scholars have chosen this position that it is Hasan (Authentic) and from them is Ishaq Ibn Rahwaiyya (RA) (an early scholar of Hadeeth) and Imam Nawawi (in one of the positions which he has adopted), Imam Ibnul Hajr Asqalani (RA), Al-Munawi (RA) in Faidul-Qadeer Fi Sharhil Jami As-Sagheer (commentary of Jami As-Sagheer of Imam Jalul-ud-deen Suyuti (RA), Imam Shawkani (RA) and others.



Verdict of Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA):

Shaykh Bin-Baaz (RA) in his Ta'leeqat of Bulughul Maram comments that in the chain of this Hadeeth is Hammaad ibn ‘Eesaa Al-Juhani whom scholars have declared weak and Shaykh Ibnul Hajr Asqalani (RA) has also followed them and declared him weak in "Tahdhib al-Tahdhib" to the 9th degree; yet he has declared this Hadeeth Hasan and this must be due to Shawahid (supporting Narrations).

Narration of Ibn Abbas (RA) in Abi Dawud:

حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ مَسْلَمَةَ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنَا ‏ ‏عَبْدُ الْمَلِكِ بْنُ مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ أَيْمَنَ ‏ ‏عَنْ ‏ ‏عَبْدِ اللَّهِ بْنِ يَعْقُوبَ بْنِ إِسْحَقَ ‏ ‏عَمَّنْ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَهُ عَنْ ‏ ‏مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ كَعْبٍ الْقُرَظِيِّ ‏ ‏حَدَّثَنِي ‏ ‏عَبْدُ اللَّهِ بْنُ عَبَّاسٍ ‏
أَنَّ رَسُولَ اللَّهِ ‏ ‏صَلَّى اللَّهُ عَلَيْهِ وَسَلَّمَ ‏ ‏قَالَ ‏ ‏لَا تَسْتُرُوا الْجُدُرَ مَنْ نَظَرَ فِي كِتَابِ أَخِيهِ بِغَيْرِ إِذْنِهِ فَإِنَّمَا يَنْظُرُ فِي النَّارِ سَلُوا اللَّهَ بِبُطُونِ أَكُفِّكُمْ وَلَا تَسْأَلُوهُ بِظُهُورِهَا فَإِذَا فَرَغْتُمْ فَامْسَحُوا بِهَا وُجُوهَكُمْ ‏
قَالَ ‏ ‏أَبُو دَاوُد ‏ ‏رُوِيَ هَذَا الْحَدِيثُ مِنْ غَيْرِ وَجْهٍ عَنْ ‏ ‏مُحَمَّدِ بْنِ كَعْبٍ ‏ ‏كُلُّهَا وَاهِيَةٌ وَهَذَا الطَّرِيقُ أَمْثَلُهَا ‏ ‏وَهُوَ ضَعِيفٌ ‏ ‏أَيْضًا

Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas (RA) :The Messenger of Allah (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Do not cover the walls. He who sees the letter of his brother without his permission, sees Hell-fire. Supplicate Allah with the palms of your hands; do not supplicate Him with their backs upwards. When you finish supplication, wipe your faces with them.”


So no biggie if a muslim chooses to wipe his face or not. It is still Sunnah. Problem is, Salafis are lazy people :

It is funny how they graded ahadith sometimes. If hadith says "Umar (ra) cut off fifty (50) enemies' heads, they would not blink twice before it is graded "mattawatir", "sahih" etc. But when it comes to making dua or dhikr, they so quick to say "it is daif", "fabricated", "bid'a" etc.


That almost happened last Juma'h where i prayed about group dhikr. Some funny stuff.

No one even asked about op's WELL BEING anymore. Hope she's good

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I'm only addressing the thread generally not necessarily you

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This is obviously opinion. Thank God you recognized that.

For the fact that there are two ahadith supporting it, you can't consider it bid'a anymore. It does not harm anyone if a Muslim chooses to wipe his or her face. Get over it. There is nothing ignorant about it. There were/are many learned scholars of Islam who wiped their face.

So this thread is basically lopsided. I'm not against it but don't say those who wipe their face are ignorant or alhu-bid'a. There are more important subjects to worry about than complaining over this silly thing. To these scholars you mentioned, it is daef. To others it is not.

End of story

@lanrexlan, you are so right. Either way does not denotes taqwa or conceit. It is just what it is. Far as I am concern, i believe that we should adhere to proper dress code. Pride and taqwa aside, i have always believed that trouser below the ankle or drags on the ground is bound to pick up impure substance. Or worse still, you go to public restroom where pee pee is on the floor and your trouser drags, there is possibility it could pick up najasa and then you go to pray like that without knowing?. That's sad when one realizes later that his/her salat go down the drain for days.

As for the sisters, it is true that hijab or niqab does not signifies taqwa. I dobt think Allah mentioned taqwa when he recommended their dress code. He only said it makes them stands out as respected and free women. Hence, a woman should not dress like Ashanti and claims she's conscious of Allah. That may be true but then, it is not wise. This reminds me of incident some 7 years ago. The story was narrated by a Sheikh who was on the plane and seated next to a lady. He said he and his friends sitting nearby were apparently Muslims by their dress. But he was sitting next to a lady who pretty much dressed like "Westerner".

Not too long after that, she started glancing at her watch constantly and then rose and went to the bathroom. She actually went to make Wudhu and came back. When she returned, she did not sit in her chair. She stood right there in the aisle, took out her abaya and offered salat right there. The sheikh said he was dumbfounded that "we dressed up and expected to stand up and make salat but we were shy and was hoping the flight landed so we could make our salat". Many sisters on Facebook criticized the lady for "showoff" and intended only to disgrace the Shuyuk. Wallahu Alam.

They raised their concern that her moves encourages such na!ked appearance of hers in the name of "faith is in the heart." I understand what she did but dress code was specifically prescribed especially for women. Otherwise, people would take advantage of that. We already seeing that actually. "Faith Is In The Heart" rhetoric. Also i can relate to incident you described above. Back in 2007 i had a friend who owned a house. He was looking for a tenant to rent a room from him. Many have called but he turned them down for 'incompatibility'. Finally, a brother called who sounded Pakistani or Indian but did not show up to view the room. Same day a sister called for the same room. She showed up with her husband and apparently they are Muslim. My friend was only 27 but the brother and sister were 49 and 50 respectively. He rented for them and everything seemed to be okay until late 2009. He asked them to leave in good faith bcus he wanted to fix his house and occupy everything for himself for privacy. Meanwhile, there are other non-muslim tenants in the same apartment sharing kitchen with muslim couple.


All of them left peacefully except this muslim couple. They put up a big fight with my friend and stayed in his house rent free for a yr without shame. He finally took them to court and they were kicked out. Every yr my friend cooked for them during Elds including non-muslim tenants. Plus he gave them discount on rent, gave them sadaqat and they even borrowed money from him in total of about $2000. They denied in court he loaned them money. They sued him for counterclaim for 5000$ instead but it was all dismissed. The sister wears hijab til now. The brother with his hat on 24/7 and trouser above he ankle. It was a big shame on them. Husband even called my friend kafir and gay just bcus he didnt have a woman. His wife called police and lied that to them that my friend stole 2000$ in her room. Thank God police did not believe her.

The whole thing is just zigzag. That why Qur'an says all the time "those who believe and do righteous good deeds"

i wonder how you people learn when you only stick to one mandhab. You have to learn here and there to broaden your knowledge and experience. If you just stick to Saudi shuyuk, you cant claim to know....NEVER! Your case is that of Nabi Musa(as) and khidri(as).