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Mubbyleey:
Bought mine #40,000 in ilorin

You should share its pix to see the size of that.

lexiconkabir:
You don't want head and legs of chicken

Cus neck/thigh got good meat

Them used to tell us those days that alfa who slaughter your ram for you is entitled to NECK. And them make it sound like it is some Qur'anic injunction and a must to have the neck

lexiconkabir:
Salaam alaykum oh brothers and sisters in Islam , it brings me joy as i wish you all a happy celebration of today's eid, may Allaah reward us for all our good deeds, and may he forgive us for our mistakes, most importantly if we die we should be granted Al-jannatul Firdaus just as the prophet peace and blessing of Allaah be upon him recommended, hope we get the full rewards for todays eid, and I pray Allaah should always keep us to the straight path which we always ask for in our five daily prayers, I greet you just as the sahabas did to each other in times of eid, Taqabbal Allaahu minna wa minkum (May Allaah accept (this worship) from us and from you), Ameen.

HAPPY EID AL ADHA, E SE JEJE OOOOO!!!!! Dont overfeed oooo........

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And to All my brothers and sister out there in islam,

Assalamu Alaykum warahmatAllaahi Wabarakatuhu.

Wa alaykum salam warahmatullah wabarakatuh


Ameen, Eid Mubarak

Taqabal Allahu Minal Wa Minkum

I think there is too much focus on "beating" which might be off the context of the verse. "Beating" as brothers described here is off. Qur'an is not talking about common arguments at all. We need to read the verse in its wider context to grasp the message. It is easy to say "I can't beat my wife". Yes, i can't beat my wife either for petty things or for not doing house shores. That's not what Qur'an is saying. Not at all. What Qur'an is dealing with here is something of big importance that can jeopardize your marriage. You have to act and stand up like a man otherwise, she's going to walk all over you.


Just like when Qur'an says to cut off thief's hand. Does that mean cutting off an hungry man who steals to survive?. No. Qur'an is talking about BIG THIEVES like politicians, IMF etc. Something qintar (something of gold or big value).



One example of such can be, say for instance, you return from work only to find your wife (that you maintain and spend your money on) with another man in your bedroom. This is not something you can walk away from anymore. This is something you MUST act on. I understood the verse long ago and it is never an issue to me simply bcus it is not about common arguments where you start punching her. No. The verse is talking about something that may take your marriage to the rock or jeopardize your children as well. Dont focus too much on "beating".

You can't just walk away from her knowing fully well she just had intercourse with another man. If you do that, trust me, she will do it again and again and again. Then you have to act. See how Qur'an brilliantly lined it up with example i just gave. It says:


# to admonish her first (knowing fully well she slept with another man)


# it says to sleep in a separate bed if she doesn't heed your advice (knowing fully well she slept with another man)


# and lastly, it say to hit her like hitting equivalent with toothbrush (your wife that slept with another man?).


Which man would go through this process in this day and age just advising her in this regards without beating holy crap out of her the first time?. I posted this video earlier and this is it again. Watch and digest it. This is not about common argument that would lead to beating her every now and then. The verse must be talking about something big. That's why I cited just one example. There are many. And ofcourse, a man may choose to just walkway by going to court to dissolve the marriage. But if you want to save your marriage, what are you going to do?. You can't just walk away and keep mute. I am a practical person. This is why i cited this example bcus I am not going to deceive myself. Before you know it, your second child belongs to another man bcus you acting cool.

So this is not about my wife refuses to do shopping for me so I am going to beat her for that. La la la. No no no. That's not the point at all. I can walk away if she's just lousy, i can walk away if she's just being abusive to me, I can walk away if she's just annoying, I can walk away if she refuses to do my laundry, i can walk away if she's talkative, aggressive etc. All these are cheap stuff and a good husband should not be Mike Tyson just to prove himself. But I can't walk away if she maltreats our children. Are you getting the point brothers and sisters?.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8XO8_cEIxr0


Anyways, y'all owe me MEAT and I want NECK and THIGH

Well, reasoning should in itself be within parameters of shari'a.

Anyways, if we talking about "below the ankle", shouldn't be like this one. This one is a sign of irresponsible man. It conforms pretty much with what I said about picking up impure substance. EXACTLY SHOWN

lanrexlan:
Emp.iree still dey talk of old times. REverything don gbowo lori

The smallest gisonso is now 15k here

Even orange seller dey use dollar as an excuse

Oga ooo. No blame me faar... Haven't stepped my foot for naija in 14yrs nau. But honestly, I am surprised at this man. My brother just bought average cow for pap for 220k. Really bugged me. Used to buy that for 40k. Mr. Bukhari needs to enforce price control at least cus know he's not capable of bringing down dollar rate. That's not his fault or former prez either.

A ku Odun o


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X_-V-dnzFkI

Bukiminaj:
And you absolutely answered the question... Lol

Cool. I was worried

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=x2LA5nUj0uY

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[size=20pt]Welcome Eid[/size]

[quote author=truthmans2012 post=49272414][/quote]Ooh who resurrected you?. Welcome back!

The last time, a muslim man opened a thread looking for you and asking about your well being. Are you okay Mr. false2man?

lexiconkabir:
A post made FP on nl about FGM, where I gave support for it and my reasons, they almost had my head that day, saying it has complications and bla bla bla, I wonder if it's complicated than those changing their genders, yet you dont see them criticizing.....

I even missed out @underlined. Exactly, they dont see noting wrong with that. It is nothing but "fashion" to them.

tintingz:
This is not about satisfying non-muslims, this is about those who are doing research about Islam and want to convert/revert. They come across this thread and start reading comments about Islam supporting wife-beating or how are you going to convince a non-muslim who's ready to convert to Islam but find the wife-beating disturbing.

Am very sure many Muslims don't even know nor understand this said verse.

Don't worry too much. But i understand your concern. I am glad you said "those who are doing research". They will find out through their research what it truly means. Their conversion can only be made possible by Allah's permission. dont worry too much. Everything is in the open already. You will be surprised sometimes if you watch some conversion stories on YouTube. They would convert over silly things you could never imagine. As you can see today marks 15th yr of WTC attack. Despite marginalization of muslims, there are people who converted same day and few days after that incident. So dont worry too much about non-muslims.

tintingz:
Good.

The reason I asked does questions is for non-muslims who are reading or will come across this thread beacuse they wont understand, this thread will give their references on tagging Islam a sexism religion and support domestic violence on women.

I think the OP post is even better as some scholars have that same interpretation of the verse.

No problem. Dont worry about non-muslims. They are hypocrites. Even if you try to satisfy them, they still gonna find a way to criticize. They can say whatever they want. Almost everything they criticized islam and muslims for they do.

For instance, they criticize female genital mutilation(FGM). We know it is un-islamic. But unfortunately some muslims and non muslims do it in Africa and Asia. Oyinbo went over there criticising it. They called it "barbaric". But Michael Jackson mutilated his body, there are bunch of black in Nija turned 'yellow' or 'white'. How about Oyinbo people who used bottocks?. If you see the process of bottocks before it completes, they look ugly. But they called these things fashion. This is deception. But in reality, it is body mutilation. If you google the process of their bleaching, bottocks etc before it becomes stable, they look uglier them FGM.

Same thing with wife beating. They beat the holy crap out of their women. And their women also put up fight with them sometimes. The difference is, authority usually get involved in the West. So you can see why they have "domestic violence" campaign against women in the west bcus it exists. Don't let them preach to you. They have no moral to do that. I understand what Qur'an is saying with respect to that verse. It is never obligatory. It is necessity. And even at that, figh clearly describes such scolding in a way that does not leaves marks or scars on her body.

So forget about non-muslims. They have no moral grounds to tell us what is right or wrong. Only men from among us we need to put in check. The verse was NEVER an order for violence against women.

HAH:
I want to know the reason why Darika people spread one white clothe when doing dhikr, it looks somehow to me because yes there are hadith that clearly say dhikr should be done but what about the white clothe used by Darika people?

To be honest with you. I dont belong to any toriqa or sect. What i learned about white sheet is, it is basically innocent idea. They just put it down for purity purposes. But that brings a question like isn't masjid already purified?. Is that what the sister was trying to ask me earlier?. I didnt understand her at all. I am here only defending ESSENCE of sufiyah or salafiya. That's all i deal with. I dont deal with specific group or individual.

It is the same like turning off light during dhikr. It is not bid'a and not necessarily sunnah either. It is to focus. Search for this Sheik on YouTube, Mufti Abdur Rahman ibn yusuf on tassawuf. I watched him a year ago on At-Tassawuf and he talked about it. I can't be looking for the video now. I believe it is 32mins long. Hope this helps

Albaqir, it is not really about weak hadith. I watched Sheikh Yasir you posted before and just watched it now again. It is just extended version of the former. I understand the msg the earlier video was talking about. His message is simple and clear. You can as well watch this sheikh. He's saying pretty much the same thing.

Empiree:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zMNAsqYdbyY

What Ibn Taymiyah said in Sheik Yasir's quote has always been my understanding of "73 sects". Indeed, technically, it is more than 73. We just need to look beyond face value sometimes.

tintingz:
Sorry I disagree here.

There are cases where the wife beat up the husband and even kill the man. I use to believe all women are weak but from the news and reports I read lately some women are like John Cena.

Lol...dont let Cena see this. Yea, truly there are now masculine women. But we have to ignore that and base this subject on verse of Qur'an. I read lately how women beat up their husbands. Just read one yesterday. But we cant deny that naturally men are stronger than women. If you go into medical field, they will tell you this as well.

@bolded, can the husband also involve court(authorities) if vice versa is the case?

Absolutely! we have men with chicken bones. They dont have the strength. We also have men who simply dont want to get in trouble with the Law so they rather go to court than touch her.

I understand you clearly here.

Good

Ssthorm:
Wasnt blamn d text,was jst highlightn practical facts,d truth is :d same physical strength God gav men so as to protect women is d same one ironicaly dt men use to batter women up
lets face d fact,giving a human,n i mean any human,male or female, giving any human a sense of power or authority over anoda kindles pride psychologicaly by 5% in some sort,n dts a FACT! It definitely alters ur psyche. N with pride cums a couple behavioral msconducts.
All am sayn is advocatn dese tns shud b done wt exteme care,leave d buks,how has it helped?it hasnt bn helpn n wudnt help,esp. D female folks.
For a woman 2 b insecured wt som1, being conscious of d fact dt if she does rong hes goin hit ha
cuz hes strnger dn ha is enuf mental torture,n idealy ds is sm1 she shud feel utter safety wt.
N to start wt if shes truly rebellious beatngs wud hardly help cuz dose ones tend to retaliate ,call dt *armagedon series* in ur home, sadly d meek ones suffer d same fate...jst b careful wat u spread

I understand what you mean. That's why Qur'an says it is addressing men of understanding. A man who exercises his physical power to abuse women is different from what Qur'an is saying. I dont have problem with what I am defending here. But i think you see it different.

tintingz:
Good.

So a situation where the husband possess bad behavior, he's the one causing marital conflict, what should the wife do according to Sharee'a ruling?

Obviously women are weak physically vs men. It is fool!sh of a woman to engage with him physically as she can badly get hurt.

She can simply go to court (get authority involved) to address the issue. Please understand the verse of Qur'an in wide context. Qur'an simply puts men ahead base on their physical and social responsibilities placed on them and are expected to live up to that. (4:34) It is not saying it is a MUST to beat women.

Fact is, if you live in a country where hitting your wife is considered "domestic violence" and punishable offence, it is not mandatory to hit or beat your wife in that case. Either side can simply consult marriage counselor. And as I said earlier, the condition for beating women has nothing to do with doing household things or mere worldly matters. It is about the deen. If you take her to court for not praying in Western world, you have no case. They can simply tell you it is her freedom if she choose not to. Husband may simply divorce her if her situation doesnt change rather than beating cus it wont change anything. In Africa today, it is definitely not about deen anymore. They beat for whatever reason. That's not what Qur'an is saying.

I think I see this issue different from how you see it.

Bukiminaj:
It's from the excellence of a believer to shun that which is of no use to him.

Since you don't know as well, why make matters worst

pardon me?. I have no idea what you talking about. I dont think i talk tajjani/qadriya. You only asked question and i answered.

[quote author=Ssthorm post=49253840][/quote]You are right. Unless there is a very strong and justice system in place, it is forever gonna be like this. Me personally, i still dont know what's gonna make me beat my wife really. I feel uncomfortable with it. When it comes to men abusing women, it is universal thing. Not only in nija. It is just the way it is. Truly, it is supposed to be about the deen but a lot of men today would beat their women for anything.

You can't blame that on text. Blame the man.

Bukiminaj:
What is qadiri and tijaniyah

You may have to ask them.

tintingz:
The question is does wife-beating resolve marital conflict?

it doesn't.

And the "beating" as described is exergerated. According to Quran, to beat your wife has nothing to do with doing household shores. It has to do with the deen. Like if she is lazy to pray, not knowing her whereabout when she goes out, promiscuous etc.


Fact is, obedient wife won't even go close to these things. That's why the verse goes further to describe good wife. A wife has to be thug and heedless to go through beating.

Remember same goes around. There are bad niggas

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u4xzK8SLNbY


This lecture really captured what I have been trying to say and enlighten brothers here all along.




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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=noJuTsVN23Q

distinguished1:
So, Solah had Sheikh Ibn Wahaab influence, but Hajj didn't right? SMH.

Please, permit me to withdraw from this discourse. I can't stand someone discrediting any Pious predecessor.

I have no idea what you just said. I did not discredit anyone. It is a fact that he forbids congregational dhikr at fajr in his time. I know that. That's not discrediting him. You can read on that. I didnt make it up. This thread is not about him. I simply brought it up that Nigerians should not copy Saudi in this respect. He had his reason to ban it.

Newnas:
Marriage is not easy anywhere, though being in a strange land like the west makes it even less difficult, the difficulty becomes compounded when you are even a striving Muslim.

How do you mean at highlighted.

Contact17:
What do you understand by reciting in unision?

The first 30 seconds in this clip is UNISON CONGREGATIONAL DHIKR. Stop deceiving yourself


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_BjkbCTa8fU

This is NYC

I remember this issue created problems in the time of Sheik Adam ilory(ra) and Sheik Ashile(ra). They confronted Saudi Ulama back then for waging endless war on dhikr. Now their trained students are hell bent doing the same.

Imaging if you people condemning everything now lived in the 80s and 90s, you most likely would be Christians by now if those shuyuk were to adopt your manhaj. Those days, there were lots of Christians every where despite efforts by our shuyuk like Sheik Adam(ra). Go and read his autobiography how Ansardin, Anwardin, Nasfat etc came about. They emerged after Sheik Adam made dua before he passed. It was said that after his struggles for islam in Yorubaland, it was like Islam was sitting on dust. It was also at that time Western govt funded Christians in nigeria.

If manhaj you people are using was to be adopted back then, islam would be gone. You wont be here today with little knowledge you type on the internet. Sheik Adam lamented and prayed hard for islam to flourish on Yorubaland. His prayers were answered not too long after he died. It was after that all these muslim organisations emerged with dhikr, asalatu and all types of programs. But you are here today condemning what these people worked for. smh.

You dont have anything except daily salat. Everything else you condemned.

HAH:
My sister I have seen many both at Hajj and umra that don't know anything about the rites, even the talbiya they learn it because it is done in unison

You dey mind her

A brother on NL sent me video on whatsapp showing Nigerian hajjis dancing fuji while in their Umra attires. Them no no pooo poooo