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RABIUSHILE04:
Empir.ee, u just said something about that vdo were u said "he's not salafii, but u agree wif him on dis.

Which video are you referring to?. You mean the one I posted?. I am sure you didnt watch it bcus it is an hr long. And for you to replied in less than an hour, you are so unjust to have concluded without watching his explanation. Yes, I agree with him bcus his explanation is what every muslim should believe. We only explain "aqeeda" differently.

In d matter of deen, we just don't chose any aw to what sooths our whims and fancies, bcuz someone speaks ur mind, u agree..rara o.

You think you talking to kid?. See, your problem like other is show me in the Quran where Allah said "Salafi is the ONLY correct belief". I dont understand how you people think. This is indoctrination my friend.

I advice you to limit your taken evidence from people who are not scholars or not on what rasullullaah brought for us.

Yo mean the Sheik i posted up there?. Again, you didnt watch him. Let me ask you a question: who gives you monopoly over Islam?. Or who gives you so much confidence that your ideology is the correct one?. You think I am kiid or not well informed?.

Also 'albaqir' and his likes are evil, he's shia, shia are more evil dan EVIL. Nothing he posts is good, nothing.

I am sorry, I dont talk like this. I used to when i was in salafism for 4 years. You all have similar traits. You think you telling me something new?. It seems to me you brothers are just being introduced to salafism so your hormones still high on it. Let me repeat myself. I was in salafism for 4 yrs and i know EXACTLY whats going on. You are free to advice me but definitely, not on this subject. I have realized that Shia are muslims.

Hence, anything else can be resolved when we stay out of sectarianism.So long as you people think you can call them evil etc, world of islam will never grow positively. I am even smiling reading this post yours. You seems to think I am naive and stuff. What you all salafis are doing here i have experienced it 5 yrs ago. Hey, if you people dont careful, you will cause sectarian strive btw Sunni and Shia in Nigeria. Exact same thing going on macro level right now.

Underlined, that's very rude of you. What do you think i am?, a NAIVE?. You mean since he's being NL member you did not see anything reasonable in his posts?. Fantastic! This is sectarianism that blocks your sense of reasoning. Unless and until you get out of that nonsense called SECT, then, only then, you will be able to use your thinking capacity that Allah gave to you. I am sorry you made no point at all.

Now, watch this as time permits you. Tell me if you disagree with him on aqeeda issue. He is not Salafi. But I agree with him 100%.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hdIo1zNvRJU

Only a matter of time you will get to realize that we are all playing games with ourselves. He is perhaps a Sufi. If you object to his idea of aqeeda, then, you will be questionable.

lexiconkabir:
on the underlined, I think there is a misunderstanding, what do you understand aqeedah to be? for salafis it is the believe in tawheed.

You should rather describe Aqeeda as a "belief system". This gives you a glimpse of its broad context. But if you just describe aqeeda as "tawheed", all muslims believe that Tawheed is Oneness of Allah. That's what makes us muslims. So you cant just ascribe tawheed to salafis only. That's wrong.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3WiVIaT6ETU

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I think you should not be too quick to label him "misguided". What he stated is not about sect or hating Saidina Abu Bakr(RA). It is not about that. Can you please understand that?. If it is, there should be no non-shia saying what he stated. Dont know why everything has to be sect.

Get over it.

You just heard of them for the first time?. It is a sect that is claiming "no congregation" i:e La Jammah.

What did you observed about them?

You should have opened this thread in Muslim section to avoid lunat!cs contributions

What you just did up there is "system of meaning". That is, you brought together all the relevant data to derive meaning which is what many failed today. It is clear that it is not necessarily the cloth itself below the ankle but Pride & Conceit. But those who hold on to "if the trouser is below the ankle is hell fire" only deal with isolated hadith.

However, one needs to also consider نجاسة {impurity}. Allah accepts only pure. Imagine if trouser drags on the ground, it is very possible to pick up impure substance. If the cloth is only dirty without نجاسة , it is okay. That's the one thing i think the problem is. Moderation is just the best way

lexiconkabir:
[size=17pt]Calling yourself a salafi does not make you one[/size]

Sheikh fawzaan has already said, some people who call themselves salafis do not even know the meaning, yes i know TROID and Salafi publications in UK are extreme so says Dr bilal Abu Ameena Philips, but salafiyyah is free from them, the scholars of salafs do advice the youngters to forget about calling someone a kafir or not, thats not our business, we will only tell you about the wrong you doing, so if we see people acting otherwise in the name of salafiyyah, is free from it.

Yes, i certainly understand. But majority of them do this. This was why Muhammad ibn al Uthaymeen (ra), after observing many salafis deviated, he said the true Salafis should call themselves "Salafi Salih". in order to differentiate themselves from 'salafis'. i found this very boring and disturbing. Its genesis seems to be about divisions even though they have good intention. If they had stick to Qur'an first, they would have known it is haram to divide themselves and others in the name of 'aqeeda'.

"Revolution Muslim", the twin brother of TROID and Salafi publications in the US was active at that time. Most of their members are now in jail. Their leader, Yusuf Khattab, a former Jewish Rabbi foreseen the organisation being disbanded by the FBI. So he left the group and started studying hadith with its tawil under the tutelage of respected Egyptian Sheikh Yusuf Qaradawi. He was labelled "munafiq" by the members.

Truly, not long after that, govt started arresting members base on their previous internet posts. One of them is serving 35 years, a young boy with long beard. Vice president of the group Yunus Abdullah Muhammad also a convert just came out of prison after serving his 15yrs sentence (of course he did not serve the whole thing). He was released in less than 4 yrs i think bcus charges against him was shallow. He also now came back to start studying hadith from new perceptive instead of their usually literal interpretation which you are doing right now.

There is a big difference between reading text and understanding what text is saying. If they practice text they read they would not be much different from he rest of Muslims. As for ABU MUSSAB, his battle was with Sheik Imran Hussein back then. Always accuse him of interpreting and misrepresenting Islam. Went as far as saying "Dont listen to Imran Hussein". Yet, he can not understand the reality on the ground. There is a lot than "meet the eye" when you read text but many of you dont undertand. Well, all of them and us, may Allah bless us for our contributions.

Jazakiallah khayran. Thanks For The Reminder!

Jum'ah khayr

[size=20pt]Source:[/size] Read The Rest >>> https://umarlee./2007/01/31/the-rise-and-fall-of-the-salafi-dawah-in-the-us-final/




This comment below was exactly one of the major issues Salafis have. Salafiyyah, I dont have any grudge with it but honestly, its ideology is too literal and rigid.



[size=50pt]"[/size] The so called “Salafi” dawah was always fundamentally weak. I used to be part of a Salafi community that till today has not been able to produce one Hafiz, one alim or able to stick with one Imaam for more than 12 months. All the so called students of every new Imaam are found today to be either back in drugs, seperated, divorced, back on the streets or cursing their own teachers! The root cause of this problem is that the Salafi dawah has had nothing to do with the Salafus Saliheen. They accused everyone of wrong Aqeedah for doing Ta’aweel yet they did ta’aweel. They accused everyone of Taqleed yet they did taqleed of Albani (if Albani stamped a hadith sahih that was the prophetic stamp!), they accused people of praying wrongly and forwarded “Sifaat Salaatun Nabee by Albani Ghair Muqallid – one who didn’t recite Surah Fatiha, didn’t do raf’a yadain, say Ameen loudly, raise the finger in tashahhud correctly, tie the hands correctly, used zikr beads and shaked hands with one hand were branded deviants, sufis, kafirs, bida’ati’s, Mulhid and misquided by these people.

There premise of dawah is that we follow ONLY the Quran and Hadith but they deny Qiyaas and Ijmaa. Every Tom, Dick and Harry has the capacity to make Ijtehaad within his understanding. They accused Imaam Abu Hanifa of not knowing hadith and that Kufa was a land devoid of any religious knowledge! All these lie and deceptive tactics to win people under the pretext of following Quran and Hadith. Not one Salafi scholar worth the name today has yet explained why Imaam Bukhari left out the hadith of where to tie hands during salaat? The Fuqahaa are accused of being people of “opinion” (ana ra’aee)….yet they never told the people that this same exact word was used by Muadh ibn Jabal (radhi Allah anho) when asked by the beloved prophet (sallahu alayhi wa sallam) that what if you don’t find a matter in the Quran or Hadith?

They are the people responsible for dividing communities over 8 vs 20 rakaat of Taraawih prayers. So, the fall was emminent…because they had lost respect, Adab and courtesy when speaking to people. Filled with pride and the stick of Albanism they were ready to “Baptize” every sane Muslim! Well this “crusade” has met its challengers who have methodically stripped this “salafi dawah” of its garb of deception. [size=50pt]"[/size]

~~Written FEBRUARY 2, 2009 AT 5:31 PM



The above comment really captured what I have been saying. This fellow most likely was part of the movement at some point or was well informed about them. He really captured my thought. Now, i dont subscribe to 'sufis' who, all they know is love love love love. There MUST be balance in everything. Salafis in the US at that time has no balance. That's why they fell. I ask Allah to reward them all for their efforts. Ammena

As to the remnants of the IANA side of things, some have retooled, run away from the old salafi movement, and have an entirely different focus. These groups do not concentrate on converts anymore and disown the title ‘salafi’ for themselves because they do not want to be associated with the legacy of TROID – for good reason.


Texas Dawah and the Al Maghrib Institute are two examples of such organizations that are pretty balanced and have run away from the salafi label like the plague. I hear that Texas Dawah puts on a pretty good program, but they – along with Al Maghrib – target the college aged (18-25) middle class, children of immigrants. We converts are largely an afterthought in their programs. Converts are welcome to come, but they are not considered in the programs. Some converts that have been around this crowd have even gotten the feeling that they are a “pet convert” and shy away.

Texas Dawah – for example – had over 3,000 attendees at their last conference, but I would be surprised if even 1% of that number were converts. Again, this is not to say that they reject converts, but it is clear that they don’t speak to our issues in their conferences. This is in contrast to the old days when you had large numbers of converts at the old salafi conferences. A crowd of 3,000 would have close to 1,000 converts and several speakers that were themselves converts. Gatherings in East Orange could draw 2,000 people in which 95% were converts. That is just not the case now. No one considers us anymore.


I attended an Al Maghrib class in New Jersey and immediately felt out of place as a convert, because I knew that this program – though very good for its audience – was not for people like me. The crowd was overwhelmingly first or second generation immigrants and middle to upper class young individuals that were either in college or just graduated. Again, nothing wrong with that, but we are left in the cold. Double weekend classes or a once a year conference does not compare to an everyday movement that was a way of life.

[size=20pt]THE RISE AND FALL OF THE ‘SALAFI DAWAH’ IN THE USA[/size]



When IANA and other such organizations dissolved after 9/11, the remaining reasonable and moderate American brothers had no place to go and for all purposes – especially with all the fitnah of brothers being arrested – and basically went into hiding and are quietly going on with their lives observing the social anarchy from afar. I have found brothers that were formerly active in the salafi movement – brothers that at the time had big untrimmed beards and exclusively wore thobes – with small trimmed beards, a suit and tie on and wanting nothing to do with the movement. Some were even very anti-salafi.



It also did not help matters when some groups that were opposed to the salafi movement as a whole took the opportunity to scapegoat them after 9/11.


As to the TROID side, they continued to shrink in influence, and have become sort of a punch line. They are the ones associated with ‘salafiyah’ when other Muslims think of salafis. Mention the word ‘Salafi’ to a Muslim what often comes to mind is a criminal who marries several times. They thought it to be “unbeneficial” to address social issues and those very issues ate away at them like acid. They thought it better to “leave these issues” but it never left them.


TROID began to lose influence as the tabloid style emails ceased and they ran out of people to character assassinate. Plus people just got tired. They can’t put together any conferences outside of Philly and Newark, where – even in those places – they are also waning in influence. There is no real solid “movement” in place. Even if one visits a lot of the old salafi websites, one will find that they haven’t been updated in months or sometimes, years. This has contributed to the end of the “cut and paste” era. And Salafis are almost nowhere to be found in the post 9/11 intellectual debate.

I remember those days in the US when i was in the same camp. I have said here times without number that i was actively involved in the "Salafi movement" for 4 years. Unfortunately, Salafi group is always biund to fail. They always have some sort of internal thrive. Lots of them now, after their movement was disbanded, have either back on the street, divorce, are on drugs, in jail or have taken a new path for knowledge. It was a giant movement in the USA under one banner before schism started. I personally know of some of them arrested and currently in jail. Some have served jail term and are back on the street. Some have served jail time and seek more knowledge of interpreting Quran and Hadith rather than literal interpretation the Salafis are known for. Abdullah Yunus, a former Salafi of Revolution Muslim now "Islam Policy" is example of that. Some member of the group are deemed hypocrites for turning their backs

One of the things that make people hate Salafi is because of their takfir on people. They takfir those who interpret ayat of Qur'an and hadith, yet they do the same but still ended up literally. Anyways, i believe that most of them if not all were sincere in their Dawa'h. May Allah reward them immensely for their efforts and contributions. We will NEVER forget their impact in Americans and their converts.

daretodiffer:
@Emp.iree, It is not a Yoruba thing.

Ys, could be true. But can you please elaborate. Thanks

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lrP-NRRFTlM

^^^

Lol Amala and Abula . You make me hungry just now.

True talk. This is also what led to 6 days war lost to Israel twice by six Arab nations. They fought not for Allah's sake but for nationalism. The result was a complete folly and lost

Eclipses are signs from Allaah by means of which Allaah makes His slaves afraid. Allaah says (interpretation of the meaning): “And We sent not the signs except to warn, and to make them afraid (of destruction)” [al-Israa’ 17:39]

When the sun was eclipsed at the time of the Messenger of Allaah SAWS (peace and blessings of Allaah be upon him), he went out rushing nervously to the mosque, dragging his cloak behind him, and led the people in prayer. He told them that the eclipse was one of the signs of Allaah, with which Allaah makes His slaves afraid, and that it may be the cause of punishment coming upon the people. He commanded them to do that which could prevent the punishment, so he commanded them to pray when an eclipse happens, and to make du’aa’, seek His forgiveness, give charity, free slaves and do other righteous deeds so that the punishment would go away and not befall the people. So the eclipse is a reminder to people, making them afraid so that they will turn back to Allaah and pay attention to Him.


{SIC}

People aint afraid anymore. They only gaze the eclipses as some sort of toy

People ain't afraid anymore. They only gaze at the pix.

This is a great Sign of absence of Taqwa itself. It is also "Alamatul Sa'ah" or akhir zaman.

In some places the Hindus worship that.

sino:
I read a little of the story last night too...I believe greed and very poor decisions as always been the major reasons behind man's resort to crime. Like the common saying, everyday is for the thief, one day is for the owner.



And how stern is your face now ehn?!

His father's approach was not cool

Now my face would probably contradict what you have in mind. i resemble muhammad Ali according to some people

Social Experiments: Every body starts doing it. Don't even know what they doing. Smh.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEhSk71gUCQ

people are sheep. Exactly as Qur'an says 7:179

sino:
Bros, sometimes, there is no justice in this world! But Allah (SWT) got everyone covered, if you escape your appropriate punishment in this world, you cannot escape that of the hereafter. And Allah (SWT) does whatever He Wills...

Sad! i hope Allah forgave him already. If not, he is in eternal damnation. I read about him last night. His greed was for power and money. Said he spent 50m in a day. Said his wife was his backbone and without her he is finished. what he meant by that was that he MUST not sleep with another women no matter how tempting. He must come home every night to sleep with his wife no matter what (in order to maintain th power). He said that's why he robbed in the daylight. Thats why Nigerian police raided his home when he was away and killed his wife. Thats how he was caught. His biggest worries now is, in quest for power, he was force to sleep with his mother. His mom is now in her 80s. He said he feels terrible anytime she sees her now.. Where is the freaking power now?

I see, Alfa Empire.e! I would have thought you would have acted as Umar (ra) o. I did rehearsed for mawlud and Lailatul qadri, it was fun back then, I was into the songs and dance aspect, in fact, I was always in the first row, with the mic . I was to participate in a drama one time, but I ran away, slept in the masjid till the whole thing was over. I think I also read hadiths too, you memorize hadith both in Arabic, English and Yoruba, then come mesmerize the crowd

Na me be that ooo.
I could not take the role of Umar bcus of my baby face. I had baby (lady's) face growing up and soft spoken. So they used my colleague who had face of "Ajigi" or "Spark the killer"

I was not into music and dance aspect either. Really dont like all that.

Papist:
And yet you people claim "there is no compulsion in religion."

ask them not me

Want to learn more.


Following................

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That was a close encounter you had there. Just read some details of his freedom. He was jailed for 11yrs until OBJ came to power and granted him amnesty.

With that much crimes and lost of lives for just 11 yrs?. I doubt he served the whole time.

So you rehearsed for mawlud too?. Did mine in '96. The Conversion Story Of Umar ibn Khatab (rta). I was Alfa in the episode

^^^Chai, that was terrible. I doubt there was justice for the hausa man for the fact Rambo lives. While I believe in forgiveness at some point that some people could change, I really want to know how he got away with his terrible crimes. I don't know his details. He's now a pastor narrating his ruthless lifestyle.

Yes, I have watched Yoruba version. Awaiting pt2

plappville:
Powee of Islam =Power from Satan the god of this world

But where was this power when Muha.mmad ate the food pois.on that killed him?

well, I'm sure the poison would have killed you INSTANTLY rather than 4 years later if that was you.

plappville:
Yes, but He is gonna get penalised for this. The French government will favour Islam once again .


As Usual, politics will turn it around. .

that's the POWER of Islam. Get over it

That's Good. The law sounds silly to you right? . Well, in US, you are a suspected terrorist if you darken your laptop sceen while browsing in public places. The list is long.

Let me give you 3 more

If you have more than one mobile line
If you are single
If you remove your simple card.

Sounds silly too right?

lexiconkabir:
I heard from a brother that Habib said "ana shi'i"

see why I said you should listen to him directly?. You said you heard but I watched and listened to him. Whoever told you this is wrong deliberately or not.

This is what he said

IF they say I'm shi'a bcus I love alhu bayt, then I'm Shia. He said this in reference to those who claimed he adopted techniques of orientalits and shia. Similar to what his father said. His father (ra) said:



"I am a salafi only if salafiyya signifies inviting others to adhere to the Book of God and the lifestyle of Prophet Muhammad (God bless and grant peace to him and his family) without denigrating or condemning anyone!

"I am a salafi without wielding a stick against anyone from amongst the earlier or later Muslim community.

"And I am a salafi as long as salafiyya refers to holding to the Sacred Law with practices based on what is flexible and evolving rather than that which is rigid and narrow."



"People claim that I am a sufi (practitioner of tasawwuf). I respond, "Yes, I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf refers to knowledge, action, compassion, spiritual ecstasy, orthodox belief, and Divinely inspired knowledge. I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf is but an elaboration of Ihsan (inner goodness & excellence), the third part of the true path completed by Islam (outward practice) and Iman (faith).”

"I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf indicates the purification of the soul with mandated acts of obedience to God accompanied by voluntary acts performed seeking Divine proximity. I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf means struggling to overcome the ego and emigrating from sin, due to the saying of Prophet Muhammad (God bless and grant peace to him and his family): 'The true emigrant is the one who emigrates from sin and the true warrior is the one who battles against base desires.'

"I am a sufi as long as tasawwuf means indifference to what is with people and yearning for that which is with God. And I am a sufi only if tasawwuf signifies the unveiling of unseen realities and inspired knowledge of God the Creator.


REFERENCE:

https://www.nairaland.com/2042359/shaykh-adam-abdullah-al-ilory

MrOlai:
He was using Taqiyah!

lol

The future belongs to those who believe Islam and accept it.

"My (Allah) elect, My Ummah(Muslims) shall inherit the earth" ~ Noble Qu'ran