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This man gave beautiful, simple answer using Quran. Where is Allah?. Quran answers the question. What's even interesting is that to ask "where is Allah" is in itself inappropriate. It doesn't befit Muslims to ask. And the question itself doesn't appear to be aqeeda issue either according to this Sheik.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h8dAJ2JmB_Y

As for mrolai, the question you posed again up there about bestiality is really non-issue. Both major sects have problems. As for your last post, bro, you really love digging...lol. I know Albaqir got problems with some Sahaba(RA) and he knows I frown at that. I have said before and will say again that anyone who considers Abu Bakr Sidiq, Umar Faruq ibn Khatab and Uthman ibn Affan to be usurper, is misguided. It is clear that this differences can not be solved in our lifetime. Therefore, a way around differences is the way to go not delving and dividing ourselves. It's still does not make them any less muslims or take them outside the fold for hating these great men. If Allah wishes, He forgives them.

I do not support cursing Sahaba (nauzubillah) nor will I support such move. Now, mrolai, the issue of hating and saying derogatory things about Sahaba(RA) is no longer limited to Shia. You may be surprised that in recent times, Salafis(some) now have doubt in Abu Bakr, Umar and Uthman. A brother even went as far as calling Umar "well known wild" . He basically polarized some sahaba and called them names. So this is a salafi brother of salafi publication. You have anything to say about this?. He's a speaker and daee. Listen to him said jargon about prophet's companions.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jHWAczZLuoI

I knew what I was saying all along when i said to get over silly issues. What Sunni criticized Shia of; they themselves do the same in different version. It's absolutely irrelevant to divide Muslims over trivia issues. See, Pope is in New York and all Christians gather around him. Throw their differences behind them to embrace the man even though some christian sects consider catholic to be pagan.

We better get rid of sectarianism and move forward. We should detach ourselves from sectarian obsession. I am not saying we cant talk about differences but it should be done intellectually. That's all.

Talking about "At-Taqqiya", you may want to search within Sunni and salafis themselves. They do Taqqiya, too. Take this brother for instance, abuhubaidah, he lied that Tijjaniya value solati fatih over obligatory salat. He said:

abuhubaidah:
all tijaniyyat do believe that you earn more reward when reciting solatul fatih than observing the obligatory solat.

When I busted him and he realized it, here is what he said:

abuhubaidah:
arguing with you is a waste of time.......

We need to stop this sectarian stupidity. Very annoying. Enough derailing this thread. Let it move forward.

icedbeatz:
most African American girls don't want to be respected believe you me, they want to be treated like the bitchh they call themselves ( prefer dudes that treats them like hoes ) anyone who have been with or observed them knows this. Talk about the loud mouth ratchet bitchess shiiiiiiiiiit

This is very true. Exactly what I said up there. It's sickening. Very sickening.

Read life of "baby mamas" in the US. Sickening. ..very sickening.
http://m.topix.com/forum/city/evansville-in/TRCB51RRO2MRGEN59

Hkana:
Emp.iree, thanks for the daily hadith.

Albaqir, where art thou? Do Shia perform hajj too? The hajj to Makka?

You welcome.

Nice piece ( and testimonies) here on shia's hajj.

https://www.quora.com/How-is-the-Sunni-and-Shia-split-managed-during-the-Hajj-Do-the-two-groups-do-it-differently-Does-the-Saudi-Government-either-officially-or-unofficially-treat-the-Shia-pilgrims-differently-than-the-Sunni-ones

khattab02:
Alright Empiree..




What I was asking there is that, can we find a muslim woman who will say I will not marry and still feel very ok living in the society??

Could be but I haven't seen one. If they do exist, probably have excuses like "I'm tired of searching". "I'm tired of men". I'm tired of getting emotionally hurt". But overall the idea of single mom is not common in muslim society. Not even among muslims in the west. I always see them with their husbands

@khattab02, don't quiet get your question right.

Anyways, let me add this for educational purposes. One thing I have noticed in western world is there is a zodiac's personalities and traits that love to investigate his or her partner a lot. This sign from what I gathered dont usually last relationship: marriage or courtship.

Before they give their heart, they investigate intuitively. I respect that personality. The reason they do that is fear of getting hurt. If you hurt them, prepare for long term emotional sucide because they sting so bad. And that sign is scorpio. Many people have problems with them in the west. And of course not all of them because there are other factors to consider. Like place of birth, time etc

But be sure that if you meet scorpio woman or man, he or she would investigate you. It's in their blood. They can be secretive and loving at the same time. That's why I said trying to find out about your partner too much is not healthy. It causes lots of tsunami in relationships. .lol

TLOTRS:
What's good for the goose is good for the gander. Every citizen of the world must be treated with equality.

They do not believe in equality but superiority., period.

Listen, just to add this. As much as I respect women, many black women(African Americans) dont want to be respected either. Their fellow African American men treat them like trash because that's the way you present yourselves. Imagine a decent guy from Africa proposed to African American woman. The guy is very serious about relationship. I definitely disagree with op saying their should be alternative to marriage. Anything other than marriage is abuse of women.

These african american women allowed themselves to be abused and called b*tches. They called themselves by that as well a lot. I have no respect for them anymore. African American treat their abusive boyfriends/husbands like king but they abuse the nice guy from Africa who is deeply in love with them and treat them like human. And of course not all of them but most. Thats exactly how my african friend(mentioned above) was treated. His girl has zero respect for. But from her past relationship, she said her African American boyfriend treats her like trash yet she said "he's a nice guy". As for African American men, they either do drugs, some sorts of unspeakable crimes and always think about what's in between women's legs. That's it. African American generally (but not all) think of a nice guy from other countries like Arabia or Africa are stupid for being nice. I know this for real. They appreciate nothing. They only care about themselves.

watch the videos below see the way they talk. Also read the link

VIDEOS https://www.facebook.com/meme.robinson22/videos/vb.100000373273804/795710153784753/?type=2&theater

https://www.facebook.com/meme.robinson22/videos/vb.100000373273804/846725365349898/?type=2&theater



https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=897981016961002&set=a.104142376344874.6593.100002473357379&type=1&theater

My Quote of the Night: Don't be fooled... we may talk a lot of shit but in the end we still need you: nappy hair and big lips, wide hips, big boned or hella thick. Without you we ain't got spit... just a lot of empty words, we might as well get back on a slave ship. As black men we have failed you miserably we have not protected you to the best of our abilities. We have stood idly by allowing the world to nitpick and judge. When they said black women ain't nothing but angry, baby having, welfare needing, single mama being sluts... black men didn't even budge. Even after all that, ya'll got our back and continue to love us without hesitation nor do ya'll dither. We are quick to call you hoes even though you look exactly like my mother, daughter and sister. I apologize for acting as though you have accomplished nothing as if your roots doesn't share the same bloodline with Rosa & Tubman. I ask you to raise my kids, wash my clothes, fix my plate but don't ever get in your mind to call me husband. We have failed you in every single way possible. We have murdered your sons in the street and put your daughters in the hospital. We haven't done right by you not one bit. We don't court you... we ask if you wanna come chill and watch Netflix. Black women I ask you for forgiveness not because you need some kind of closure. No... I ask you for forgiveness for failing to be what you need... A SOLDIER

~ Dwayne Wilder

AlBaqir:
Empire.e, it seems you've violate this ayah below, may Allah forgive you and me, brother:

O you who believe! if an evil-doer comes to you with a report, look carefully into it, lest you harm a people in ignorance, then be sorry for what you have done.

Tahrir wasila of Imam Khomeini is on the internet to read or download in any format you want. Why don't you verify first before you pass judgment of "that's wrong"! A fasiq will always quote out of context.

Ameena. Trust me brother, when i said "it's clear order to sleep with animal". I dont take that personal with Shia at all bcus I knew you would be here to counter it. Thats why I left the possibility open when i said 'unless otherwise".

Either way may Allah forgive me and everyone

MrOlai:
May Allah(SWT) guide us all aright(Amin).

Ameena

Well, I went back to your first post and read it again. The way it's worded indicates the man speaking is 2nd person singular referring to incident or event. But your last post is clear enough indicating direct order to sleep with animal. In that case it's wrong. That's my position unless otherwise.

That however, still does not in anyway make them less Muslims. We have muslims who are not shia but see nothing wrong being gay, see nothing wrong consuming alcohol and fornication etc.

In Saudi Arabia, they have crazy fatwa many muslims do not agree with. They have what they called "misyar" the so called "traveller's marriage" which many Muslims including Shia consider legalizing adultery or fornication. Does that make Saudi Ulama less muslims?. It does not make them less muslims. They only get punished for it. It does not warrant division.

If I was to go by same standard you used to polarize shia, on Saudi's 'misyar', they are simply as well guilty. Our understanding is if Allah makes something haram no one dares makes it halal. If anyone does that he becomes a kafir, isn't?. So "misyar" to some muslims is like legalizing adultery and fornication. Misyar is not sunnah. It's innovation. Bestiality is haram.

Below they tried to justify misyar yet they claim "mulkiyamin" no longer exist. Who is fooling who?http://www.islamawareness.net/Marriage/Misyar/fatwa_01.html

As far as I am concern, sunni/shia are jealous of each other. They have got problems that we can not solve ever. The former accuse the later of xzy while blamer herself does the very same thing.

MrOlai:
Really, our unity as Muslims is very important. However, we need to be very careful! We should not accommodate or encourage what is not part of Islam under the guise of unity especially those that would take a person out of Islam. I'm not really referring to this thread. I'm referring to dangerous Shi'a concepts.

Take for instance, On Bestiality, the Prophet(SAW) said:
Narrated Abdullah ibn Abbas: The Prophet (peace be upon him) said: "If anyone has sexual intercourse with an animal, kill him and kill the animal along with him!" This shows the prohibition of Bestiality in Islam.

Just look at fatwa from Shia scholar:
"Sex with animals before the mission (Islam) was wide spread and many narrations are narrated that it is halal but makrooh (disliked). And on the compulsory precaution one should abandon this practice that may cause self harm. And you must admit this to the owner of the sheep and pay the owner.
Sex with animals Fatwa
al-Uzma Seyyid Ali al-Sistan

Can you imagine that! Subhanallah! This is just the tip of an iceberg about Shia ideology.

Unity is really very important in Islam. However, this should not be at the expense of the teachings of the Prophet (SAW).

You see, dear brother, this is really minor issue as nasty as it sounds. It does not take anyone outside the fold of islam. We can simply compare this to a Gay muslim. A gay muslim is not a kufar. The only sin that Allah guarantees eternal Hell is SHIRK.

Besides, if i understood the quote you posted up there, (kindly re-read it again). He simple said it's forbiden and harmful. He didnt say it's lawful. Correct me if I am wrong. He said "many narrations" considered it permissible before islam but mukruh. It doesnt say it's Shia's narrations. Besides, this is not even about Shia. A website I came across couple of months ago, despite agreeing it haram and bad habit to have intercourse with animal, it disagrees on the death penalty by using its own logic proven from another hadith. I am telling you brothers, Islam is bigger than what you think.

^Brother, the tale of a girl you cited up there is also cited in the link by Albaqir. I told you i went throught and read it. I am just laughing at ths whole thing bcus it seems that you brothers are not too patient enough to read and understand things. Read the story of the girl further from his link.

Btw 2008 and 2011 when i was in the rank, there is also alhusunnah wajamah which disagrees with literal meanings of hands, eyes, legs etc. They are not sufi or Shia. The are salafi but differentiate themsleves from "Saudi salafis" as they fondly called. I went through this before and i wont waste much time on it. The group am talking about was disbanded by govt and imprisoned members for their extreme fringes. One of the head of that salafi group clearly stated that there is no hand, eyes, legs etc. They consider themselves salaf but disagree with "saudi salafi".

Anyway, I dont want to be partial. I am still reading from the website you gave.

MrOlai:
This is the website of Ahlus-sunna wal jama'a: http://ahlusunnahwaljamaah.com/

Okay, thanks I got it. Will check it out

basilico:
And Iblis not Jibril brought the revelations to Prophet Muhammad SAW.
Next lie?

Despite his subtle approach, you still hate. I hail thee. You have degree in hate now. This is why I don't usually give a boot about y'all evangelists.

^^Brothers, i think we need to look past "sectarianism" and focus on the message. We first all must see ourselves as muslims. The reason you brothers dont take albaqir seriously is because he's Shia. This is just unfotunate. I have learned to get over that long time ago. I dont even see him as shia unless there is discussion to that effect.

Quran makes it absolutely imperative on us to come together rather than dividiing ourselves over silly issues. It's like we have to disregard any muslim who doesnt share 'our' creed or opinion in the matter of religion. This is very wrong. I am not here to defend Albaqir on the alleged website. I will wait for him to defend himself. However, I went through and read the whole link he provided yesterday, it's a piece of information. @areonakakanfo, honestly you have no merit to condemn him if you did not even open the link needless to read it. That's sad.

As for Mrolai, you pretty much did not refute albaqir because website link you provided does not work. It's not available even though they are identical. Albaqir's link works. Yours doesnt. How then you want to convince us that his website is bogus?. So far you brought no convincing evidence. Again, i read everything in the link provided by Albaqir. Guys, dont be lazy. Go through it and give your thought.

Fundamentalist:
I believe you belong to the indomie generation, your statements lacks merit.

You can't answer apparently. Your case is dismissed.

Fundamentalist:
Too much kids on nairaland these days

Answer the question @above. That's all.

enieme:
Hmm, how will dey find out any bad habit their future sopouses may have?. @ d last part u don't really cget what I meant by the choice made.

"finding out" your spouse's bad habit? . That's lifelong research. You can date for 10 yrs but what will happen will. The thing is, is not about marrying someone you don't know. There is always little investigation like you meet her ofcourse, you pay attention to family background and his or her friends. You don't need to dig too much before you figure out who she/he is. This approach can be a turn off for future partner. This still falls under conditions mentioned in the hadith.

Kindly rephrase the part you mentioned.

usermane:
There is no where the Qur'an prohibit Muslim women from marrying men of the people of the book either. If you had understood my post, you can see clearly that my conclusion that non polytheist men of the people of the book is permissible for Muslim women is in line with my analysis in the first paragraph. Islam is not limited to Muhammad and the Qur'an, the earlier you realize that, the better.

And you skipped my logical deduction, too.

author=usermane post=38188898]

Please kindly present the Quranic verses that prohibit courtship or dating for marriage. For all i know, the Quran only prohibit taking secret lovers or fornication(Quran 5:5). Courtship is not necessarily a secret affair and neither must it involve fornication.

This ayah blocks all the avenues Surah 17. Al-Israa, Ayah 32
http://www.ummah.com/forum/showthread.php?87831-ZINA-Road-To-Destruction

You also seem not to understand what dating and courtship is all about. Dating is getting to know someone you are considering as a potential spouse while courtship is preparation for marriage. How are these prohibited in the Quran?

In today's definition (world)?. Look around you where everything leads to. Wise up brother. I dont need to say much. Definition you gave is simply restricted to dictionary by 90%.

Most Muslims who claim not to court or date actually court or date without realizing it. Unless your marriage was 100% arranged by your family without your consent, you actually courted, dated or did both.

I agree that muslims involve too. No questions asked.

^ good one usermane. I like your analysis in first paragraph. But the second one, you off actually. There is no where in the Quran it permits muslima to marry people of the Book. Correct me if am wrong.

Simply apply same analysis given in your first paragraph, you would see why muslim women should not marry Christian or jew. Besides, Quran recognizes superiority of men over women (not in terms of taqwa) whether male is muslim or not. Therefore, logical deduction is a muslim woman marrying Christian or jew has no protection of her religion.

To be fair though. ..this is also true of some muslim men (weak) who marry Christian or Jewish woman. Not common though.

@ Fundamentalist, how old are you brother?. Now, leave everything alone for a second. Kindly use your God-given wisdom...is there anything wrong with highlighted statement below by Albaqir?


"He assumed the authority of all what He created"




Do you have problem with this statement?. Did you read the link he posted at all?

enieme:
@empiree, tqs for ur contribution. Rfrom what I can deduce of ur post u swing to neither side. Or more to d love siseside.

You know, we first all need to establish Quranic text on this issue. I really dont want to quote anything at the moment. I will just go straight to the point. Quran makes is clear that Muslim women can not marry mushrik. It does however gives muslim men right to marry women from among the People of the Book. There are ahadith literature that narrow the scope of which people of the Book muslim man can marry. Scholars somewhat differ on this issue. Whether they differ or not, evidences glaring in the world today that many Jews and christian in today's world are not the same people of kitab of old. Not all but most. People of kitab are those followers of Musa and Isa(alaiy salaam). Are these ones following them now?. So muslim men will have to be careful as well.

Now to your question, we know Quran places restrictions on men and women relationship. Like courtship, boyfriend/girlfriend thing are not allowed. Now I understand some people want to justify "how am i going to know my future partner". See, it doesnt really make any difference. Take Western world itself as case study. Boyfriend and girlfriend may be together for a decade, The moment they plan marriage and live together, they dont last either. I have pondered over this many times. The only "benefit(s)" they derive from it is sexual pleasure. Thats just simple truth. Their courtship in most cases last longer than real marriage. My point is, it doesnt really make difference whether spouse know a lot about her partner or not. A very simple qualities about him/her are enough. There is no need to dig as Sheik Imran once said. He said 'dont dig too much trying to find out or know everything about your future partner. It's unhealthy sometimes doing that. Although and of course it's very important but it has to be done old fashion. But who does that in today's world....few.

But let's put it this way, what if she has say 1 proposals and all of the suitors are of similar level of religiousness, ultimately shell have to choose d one she think she loves among them rightv?
How will it even be possible for a muslim to love given d islamic sytstem of marriage without courtship or conversing. I'm confused

Part of this has been answered ^. And yes, ultimately she will have to choose. That's just it. That's common actually, isn't? When a lady gets confused....eventually she picks her choice. Her parents or guy parents may also influence that. Nothing wrong with that honestly.

Hadith of the day

Quote of the day

Picture of the day

ManTiger:
Alismile, that pic u posted is not from any church in swiss, it was taken at the sydney opera show where an artist gathered over 5000 nudists for his gallery.

And for those who are casting aspersions on other pples religion to to show superiority of their, lemme ask you one question, etc.

How about this buddy? This is naked church in Virginia. http://ipost.christianpost.com/news/nude-church-in-virginia-pastor-and-congregants-naked-as-they-worship-god-11328/

https://www.youtube.com/watch?t=102&v=Y7D-Xg6i4Bw

ALISMILE:
A pastor in Switzerland ordered his church congregation to UnCloth so that they could speak to God. See picture

This is sickening

ALISMILE:
I can clearly see a man there. But topic is tagged women, jus to give it the coloration that its anitwomen! For the records, me and my elder sister converted from chistianity t o Islam about 20yrs ago, nd we re both glad that God opened our eyes! let the iDdiots continue! No mata ow much the devil try to demonise Islam pple will continue to see shining effects of Islam! We don't expect the whole of man Kind to accept Islam as Allah has said in d Quran that He will not allow that! All we Muslims re saying is that Worship ur god and leave us to our own! Follow urs and let me follow mine!

You know, they have lost hope in their religion. They no longer follow Divine Laws in their holy Book. The only thing Christianity offers the world now is Pastors ordering church members to eat grass, to unclothe and lick themselves. The list goes on. It's crazy

Lilshorecords:
Tattoo dey their body o. Awon olosho wey dey go mecca. You go fear.

mymadam:
Okay, Ashawo To Re Mecca?

ValerianSteel:
Now I understand what Yoruba's mean when they say:

"Ashewo re Mecca"

BANGERLEE1:
Asewo to re Mecca...

Guys, please stop this. Their intention is between them and Allah. Leave them alone.