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^reasons I don't stress myself over issue of succession are:

* Is long gone

* at the end of the day Imam Ali also became caliph(leader of Muslims)

* his (imam Ali)'s position being 4th caliph did not diminish his spiritual status.

* his unique qualities remain intact 1400 years later [among others].



However, what I don't understand is what Shia meant by Ummah would be misguided because Ali was not first Imam?. Misguided on what exactly? .

Shahada?
Obligatory salat?
Zakat?
Saum?
Haji?

If these five obligatory duties are intact for the last 1400 years, and Shia have no objection to that, upon what Sunnis are misguided..?....just for not appointing Ali the first Imam?. But he later became Imam. Did he not guide the Muslims aright in his tenure?.

As a matter of fact, him being the last Imam of the "rightly guided caliphates" was even better. It means even if other three were misguided (nauzubilah), Imam Ali must have corrected their mistakes bcus he came last and his guidance is followed till today.

As far as empire.e is concerned issue of succession is zero issue. I don't know how that could split the Ummah.

If however Shia insist that Rosul was going to "draft a Will" only known to Ali (rta) in the Shia doctrine, this should be verses that are plain and clear (muhkamat) if it's extremely important for the Ummah. We can not rely on verses that are mutashabiat or that are allegorical to derive a meaning as pointed out by Sheik Imran Hussein.

Am sure you understood that Sunnis have no problems with Imam Ali whatsoever. This is indeed scholarly dialogue. I DO NOT KNOW Sunni scholars' opinion on the ahadith you cited.

AlBaqir:
He used to be a regular nuisance on NL with the name "sheikul Islam" now fundamentalist. Adab= 0. Hes better ignored. Best answer for fools sometimes is silence.

Why are you shying away from Hadith Thaqalain and Khalifatain? Anyway I respect your choice.

Yea, I know him by that old id. Humm, shying away?.... not really. But let me remind you of during Ramadan I listened to lots of lectures from different perceptives. From naija to middle east to South East Asian scholars. A sheikh said "if there was supposed to be prophet after rosul it would be Imam Ali". Sheik in the video above said the same thing. Sheik Solati said the same thing. Couple of shuyuk in the ME and Asia said the same thing. However they concluded that rosul appointed zaidina Abu Bakr to be the first caliph. They did not dispute that.

I read stuff on Imam Ali. I understood why those sheiks said what they said about Imam Ali. There are qualities he has that that makes him unique amongst others. I may give those fair qualities in subsequent post later.

AlBaqir:
Sheikh ul Islam?! While you should be growing in faith by rebranding your attitude, you continue growing in foolishness. You still remember the day you admitted you are a fool?!

I ignore him lately cus he doesnt have adhab. He may have knowledge - maybe. Knowledge is one thing wisdom is another. His ideology is built on sectarian and hating fellow muslims which I am not interested. When i realized he doesnt get my point, I stopped talking to him.

AlBaqir:
First do the sheikh provide any reliable evidence to support his claim?

Not really. He was basically giving lecture.

On the other hand, there are lots of confidential things which the prophet told Ali privately. Some Ali later revealed and some he choose not to.

I sensed this actually. Maybe one of them is what Sheik talked about

Lastly, I observed you use the word "Imam" for Umar ibn al-Khattab. Though I don't know in what context or meaning you choose to use that. So brother, of what context and meaning do you use Imam for Umar?

In this context, it is refer to as Caliph Umar.

And Id like to know your opinion on the hadith al-Thaqalain and hadith khalidatain.

Still reserve my opinion on this.

Thanks for your time. WA Salam alaykum.

You welcome. Walaikum Salaam

joseph1832:
Ah ah, its been a while brother. How's the ministry of selling opium re branded into religion going?

I actually took a break from those nitwit a while back. I realized they dont deserve much of my spare time

bashbabe2:
Pls ignore all those ignoramus calling themselves christians they are t hypocrites and liars. The violence carried out by early Christians was very profound and more violence chapter in thier bible but because the are deluded they don't say anything. Thier problem is islam and either they like it or hate it there is nothing they can do to stop the peaceful religion. BOKOHARAM are not Muslims.

@underlined, it's not confined to early Christians. They are still carrying their violence "holy war" on muslims right now but this time in 21st century, they do it another version. Look around the world today it speaks volume. But these christian hypocrites would tell they are secular. They are bunch of nincompoop.

Salaam Alaikum brothers & sisters. Need your inputs here. I am not getting satisfactory responses so far on this matter.

It is about a friend of mine. A Muslim and his family also Muslim. According to him, his dad married 5 wives. His mom is amongst the first 3 wives but his dad had separated from them over 20yrs ago. So basically his first 3 wives live world apart but the other two wives live with his dad. All children grew up together under same roof with their dad. So there is no issue with children.

His dad also took care of children of the last two wives(from their previous marriages) who lived with him. He favors these children(5 of them) over his children especially against the top children who are now grown and in their 30s-40s. At least 2 of 5 children from another fathers have married and have 1 or 2 children each. They age 24 and 30. Pretty younger than his own children. These children also live in the same man's property instead their own father's house. They have been living with him since 5yrs old.

The problem is, according to my friend, his father doesn't care about whether they get married or not. He never asked them. But anytime other family members, extended or not including those 5 children he took care of from childhood, he readily attended to them and their needs. He was quick to go to their weddings, spent and did as he wished for them. But not his children. He also has habit of blackmailing his children to just anybody especially those children from 3 wives he sent away. He reveals their secrets and whereabouts to 'outsiders'.

His first child who is now in his 40s married in 2007, his father put up a fight with him and blackmailed him in the presence of his in-laws. He doesnt even recognize them as in-laws. He simply talks trash about his children. He did the same thing with his second son who is also in early 40. He just married 2yrs ago. He puts up fight with him as well. As for ladies(his daughters) who are in their late 30s, he simply did not ask them about husband. He ridicules them a lot. So these ladies went out and married off themselves with little to no approval from him. Only their mothers were aware. These girls have children now.

Seeing these, my friend and his brother who are also in their 30s have decided to go ahead and marry whoever they want. My friend even said he doesn't want his dad to be there. He doesnt want him know his in-laws at all bcus of his attitude. Bear in mind that his father is a learned religious man. How come he misses the sunnah and Islamic injunctions in this matter. I am short of words and I really can't advise this guy at all. What bothers me is his father is now even taking care of grandchildren from another men(grand-in-laws). He worries so much about those kids who are now grown up and have their children live with him. But he doesn't care a bit about his own children. What sorts of nonsense is this?.

I am really searching for answers for this guy. Please dont mix this up with my earlier post when i said I was heartbroken. It has absolutely nothing to do with that. Any idea?

Note: This is not a case of whether their father like his children choice of wives or husbands. This appears to be a case of not wishing anything good for his kids.

AlBaqir:
Heartbroken? Is your expectations on something too much? Everything can disappoint except Allah the ever-living, the sublime, the most powerful.

May He suffice you brother. Cheers

Indeed.............Ameena

AlBaqir:
Hmmmm....so many experiences brother and I concluded all can never be the work of the Jinn. And besides can Jinn take the form of human and get stable? Anyhow do you believe in Al-Raj'ah (the return)? That probably explains some. I already posted a thread on Al-Raj'ah. Allah knows best.

You see brother, sometimes, we have to play "mainstream games". You know what that means. Folks react diffly to what's beyond their comprehension. You can see that clearly on "Jinn Stores" thread, A sheikh once said that Do Not Say Everything You Know In Public.

As for the Jinn, believe me, I watched a 3 hrs long YouTube video titled A Conversation Btw A Muslim And A Muslim Jinn. The brother said he had conversations with a muslim jin for hours. That the Jinn was so kind. He said while it's possible that Jinn can take form of human, it seldom happen. He said the Jinn said that it's very difficult for us(jinn) to take human form. And that it also depends on level of individual Jinn. So this kill the idea that everything is Jinn as we discussed in Jinn Stories thread.

However, the muslim jinn said they are capable of influencing human thought especially devil Jinn. That's very true actually. So my point is sometimes one needs to eschew. Allah's Grace is not confined to 'takada'

AlBaqir:
Dear brother, hope you are fine with the family. Hows work and life.

Alhamduliah, we are fine.

Busy busy busy at work this days but am back by His grace.

I thought as much

I tried to watch and download it but the network reception is bad here.

Sure, I will try but I think you still need to to watch it anyway cus this is a nice lecture to clear misconceptions some fellows have.

Please brother kindly do me a favor by giving the summary of the above lecture.

He talked detail about sufi's at-tassawuf, calling on Allah alone and be steadfast on istiqamah etc. That istiqamah is what many sufis or so called sufis and even average muslims lack. That's very true actually.

He talks about some lazy Sufis who somehow deviate by taking shortcut and mix things up. He said this is what laymen and salafis pick on to define sufism instead of its pure form. He talks about great Sufi Ulama how they practiced it and we should follow their steps. However he admits that we may not be able to be like them or do as much as they did bcus many of us now especially young ones are concerned about making money. That their niyat in dua is always about wealth, life etc. He said this is not niyat of past successful Ulama. Their niyat was "knowing Allah" etc.

I believe it's within 20minutes of the video he made comment on Imam Ali(RTA). He was simply discussing levels of faith in Islam. That's, Islam(Muslims), Iman(Mumin) and Musin. He referenced Imam Umar(RTA) to this effect. He talks about some muslims who dont understand sufism and that they think it's occult thing or it's misguidance when they gather or do dhikr. He said the same thing that average muslims do is what awliya etc also do; but this time it's said and done differently.


He gave example by citing RosulAllah (Allah's Blessings and Peace Be Upon him and his househild)- when he summoned zaidinah Ali(RTA) in seclusion to teach him about Allah. But Imam Ali(RTA) thought it was something different or something did not know. Meanwhile when Rosul(SAW) sat down with him(RTA), he taught him how to say La ilaha ila Allah.

zaidina Ali was like this is the same thing he says all the time but the difference is merit itself phonetically. Sheik Daud in the video said the way average muslims say lailailaAllahu is not how awliya say theirs. They take their time to pronounce the phrase or sentence and that it's very hard and dangerous. He gave example like this:

Average Muslims - lailahailallah

Awliya - La aaaaaaaaaa ilaha ila Allaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah

That they have to say certain amount.

Spot the difference?. He said that's what rosul taught Imam Ali in seclusion. So when i thought about this, I decided to hear your input. I was thinking probably this is what Shia refer to as 'will' that was supposed to be drafted.

As-Salam alaykum dear brothers.

Walaikum Salaam

parisbookaddict:
Stop spreading false information. I dont know how u managed to label it a christian website. The word u mean in secular....the origin which was a facebook post was most likely the usual muslim using al taqiyyah to spread islam.

Done with you madam. Sounds like you dont get it. Oh I get it....you scared - that's what it is.

parisbookaddict:
Its fake news spread by al taqiyyah using muslims. Count the people in that pic..less than 50.. where is the church that was converted, churxh signboard at least use ur head, are u that ignorant?

Dont you get it...woman?. They are christian websites. So I would imagine you would contact them directly. You vexing your bs on me is irrelevant

parisbookaddict:
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Talking about media propaganda,

u posted the alleged news article, u said over 400 church members forced to convert, there isn't more than 50 people in those pictures. Muslim exaggeration as usual.

Again, this article could be and most likely is pro Islamic propaganda, where is his picture as a pastor, where is his church All I see is a African muslim wanabe Arab with a scarf leading prayers for less than 50people outside in an article posted by a known al taqiyya using Muslime called empi.ree.

show facts man, where is his church, where is he preaching as a pastor, u have none. Mr al taqiyya [/size]

[size=15pt]NaijaGists[/size] Is A Christian Owned Website:
http://naijagists.com/photos-drama-in-rwanda-as-pastor-forces-480-church-members-to-convert-to-islam/

^ That's Where I Got It From. Not Pro-Islam One.


Also Reported Here: http://www.tori.ng/news/7536/shocking-pastor-and-his-480-church-members-convert.html

A Non-Islamic Website. So If You Have Problem Go And Talk To Them...Woman.

Annunaki:
Op you need to get your facts right, everything boko haram does is 100% islamic. They are only following instructions of their prophet as stated in the quoran.

Nincompoop

parisbookaddict:
Only Islam and Muslims see nothing wrong with forced conversions. Apparently the tithes weren't coming in and he now wants zakat.

Rubbish! Where is force used in the pictures?. Did you see anyone tied down by force to pray Islamic way in there?

Who forced who?. Obviously it's not Muslim preacher but their own pastor. Besides, the phrase "force" is used by media propaganda BS. They are simply convinced by message of islam. It's obvious the pastor conceded defeat. He appears to be sitting behind in the last picture.

Zakat?. Madam, you need to keep quiet in the matter of Islam. You compared zakat to tithes?. You better give up your bs on islam and face the reality.

Medicis:
How can you Force people to convert. Na by force?

Pardon ?

Na wa oo. This obssesed lady still at it?. Well, Allah is Able to do All Things. We never know ifeann aka parris.bookadict may embrace Islam eventually or at least regret her actions overtime just like her brother frosbel has done.

Anyways, your op is pretty much recycled. Malvisguy knows too well this topic was dealt with some months back. It's irrelevant at this point to go over this again.

Well, for your information, let me drop this on you while you spread your hate mongering.


[size=13pt]Drama In Rwanda As Pastor Forces 480 Church Members To Convert To Islam[/size]

They came to worship as usual only to be "forced" to convert to Islam. This is the story of Salim Mikdad, a Pastor in Rwanda who took it upon himself to convert his followers to Islam after an Islamic preacher preached to him.

This happened on Tuesday August 25, 2015
http://naijagists.com/photos-drama-in-rwanda-as-pastor-forces-480-church-members-to-convert-to-islam/#comment-413476


Confusion In Christiandump

Alhamdulilah, im healed. Thanks dear brother.

@ hkana, thanks. I guess you referred to me up there. Yes, I took few days off actually cus I was indeed heartbroken since past Saturday. I mean since 2 Saturdays ago I just didnt feel like posting here.

@albaqir probably busy at work. #justsaying

kopell:
Bros this just an average income of register nurses here, some specialized nurses makes up to $100k with extra hours which many of them do. The can make $120k easily, but with those long hours at job. [size=15pt]They also loss their husband Ooo. That why we have many female nurses looking for husband in NYC.[/size] There are many blue collar jobs that makes over $70k a year here if one knows how to find them.

You got me laughing @bolded. Joke aside, very true.

erico2k2:
My guy we are on same page hence I said its does without docu, at the end of the day nobody carry kpali come abroad nah here all man hustle the book,I feel you but anywhich way,ogoro must Jump, if you nor jump OYO. cos as I see am, wen dem say clap for JESUS na only those with two hands fit clap abi

lol

erico2k2:
It will happen to you o nly if you have no documentation or else how can one explain a reason why they cant be bothered to go back 9ja for at least a year

I think you should consider different circumstances individual may be going through. Some may not have pali but somehow make money but they cant leave yet. Anyone in this situation should not even disclose his immigration status. Some are indeed legal even they are citizens but they are on very tight situation that one can't even explain. Because of that it's not easy to just go home. Overall, i agree visiting is very important.

This whole thing about family member(s) screwing up their loved ones struggling abroad is very real and stupid as well. At first I struggled to believe such thing exist until it happens to my close friend in recent weeks. So sad...man so sad.

Why would some people feel so comforblae to mismanage people's funds sent and entrusted to them to build a house is beyond me. Such behaviour could run person mad. smh

This Is A Just A Short Soulful Poem/Poetry (rhythm style). I wish I can Play Voice Clip If Available At This Time. Very Interesting.

I Guess You Brothers & Sisters Would Have To Form A Rhythm In Your Heart While Reading This For Now.

It Was Officially Composed By Sheik Daud Alfa Nla It's Composed In A Local Dialect. ......So I Tried My Best To Translate At The Bottom Subsequently. I Am Not A Good Interpreter Though


Chorus

"Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Sin oo.....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Serve You (Worship) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Be oo ....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Repent (From Our Misdeeds) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Ma Teeee Le Ti E
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Follow Your Path[/size]

Kaa tun tele T'ojise Re (Ninu Ike Pelu Idera Taya Tomo) (2x)
[size=5pt]To Be Able To Follow Path Of Your Messanger(SAW) with Ease and Tranquility[/size]



Awon Eda Kan Won n Se Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Descry Your Way (O Allah!)[/size]

Awon Omiran Won o Se Ti E...(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Abhor Your Way (O Allah!)[/size]

Awon Eda Kan Won n Fe Ti E o ...(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Incline To Your Way (O Allah)[/size]

Awon Omiran Won o Fe Ti E ....(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Detest Your Way (O Allah)[/size]

Olohun Daakun Awa n Fe Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]O Allah! We Want Your Way (Path)[/size]

Olohun Dakun J'aaa Se Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]O Allah! Guide Us To Your Way (Path)[/size]

Nile Aye Pelu Orun Wa Dawa Lola (2x)
[size=5pt]In This Word And Hereafter, And Elevate Our Status[/size]



Chorus

Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Sin oo.....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Serve You (Worship) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Be oo ....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Repent (From Our Misdeeds) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Ma Teeee Le Ti E
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Follow Your Path[/size]

Kaa tun tele T'ojise Re (Ninu Ike Pelu Idera Taya Tomo) (2x)
[size=5pt]To Be Able To Follow Path Of Your Messanger(SAW) with Ease and Tranquility[/size]


Having Hard Time Uploading The Clip At This Moment. Hopefully It Works Later

This Is A Just A Short Soulful Poem/Poetry (rhythm style). I wish I can Play Voice Clip If Available At This Time. Very Interesting.

I Guess You Brothers & Sisters Would Have To Form A Rhythm In Your Heart While Reading This For Now.

It Was Officially Composed By Sheik Daud Alfa Nla It's Composed In A Local Dialect. ......So I Tried My Best To Translate At The Bottom Subsequently. I Am Not A Good Interpreter Though


Chorus

"Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Sin oo.....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Serve You (Worship) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Be oo ....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Repent (From Our Misdeeds) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Ma Teeee Le Ti E
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Follow Your Path[/size]

Kaa tun tele T'ojise Re (Ninu Ike Pelu Idera Taya Tomo) (2x)
[size=5pt]To Be Able To Follow Path Of Your Messanger(SAW) with Ease and Tranquility[/size]



Awon Eda Kan Won n Se Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Descry Your Way (O Allah!)[/size]

Awon Omiran Won o Se Ti E...(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Abhor Your Way (O Allah!)[/size]

Awon Eda Kan Won n Fe Ti E o ...(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Incline To Your Way (O Allah)[/size]

Awon Omiran Won o Fe Ti E ....(2x)
[size=5pt]Some People Detest Your Way (O Allah)[/size]

Olohun Daakun Awa n Fe Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]O Allah! We Want Your Way (Path)[/size]

Olohun Dakun J'aaa Se Ti E....(2x)
[size=5pt]O Allah! Guide Us To Your Way (Path)[/size]

Nile Aye Pelu Orun Wa Dawa Lola (2x)
[size=5pt]In This Word And Hereafter, And Elevate Our Status[/size]



Chorus

Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Sin oo.....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Serve You (Worship) Amen![/size]


Olohun J'aaa Le Maa Be oo ....Amin
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Repent (From Our Misdeeds) Amen![/size]

Olohun J'aaa Le Ma Teeee Le Ti E
[size=5pt]O Allah! Give Us Strength To Be Able To Follow Your Path[/size]

Kaa tun tele T'ojise Re (Ninu Ike Pelu Idera Taya Tomo) (2x)
[size=5pt]To Be Able To Follow Path Of Your Messanger(SAW) with Ease and Tranquility[/size]


Having Hard Time Uploading The Clip At This Moment. Hopefully It Works Later

qbd2:
Yes, was also just making an observation.

lol

qbd2:
Not just d last post, most of the posts.
They r like mixtures of prose and poetry cos some sentences are long enought to b called prose and some are short like poem. U use a mixture of both

true.....as u can see it is "observation" not necessarily poem contrary to sino's thread.

qbd2:
Nice ones, but they sound more like haibuns than poems.

You mean my last post up there?

He kinda answered some critical issues you brothers raised. Be his guests


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=056f8aWFu6I