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joseph1832:
Empir.ee I see what you mean. But I believe Islam should know that not all christian are abusive. Many still will never raise a voice against the prophet Muhammed (SAW).

I tell you I've seen muslim who even abuse Jesus. Its not new to me, I've lived in the north before, Sokoto to be precise, I saw and heard things spoken against Jesus that made me shake my head.

To me, I believe if its okay for a christian lady to marry a muslim man, then it should be okay for a christian mAn to marry a muslim lady. Allowing only a christian lady to marry a muslim man to me proves that the man may still use his influence as a man to force the woman to convert to Islam and if she refuse, abuse may follow.

Its all the same system of control and dominance, each religion trying to outdo or outsmart the other. That's why I really want no part in both religion.

See, @bolded, NEVER!. I wont deny some ignorant people though. Do you have any idea gravity of sin of saying derogatory things about Jesus?. It takes a Muslim out of Islam. Now, listen to this. some low IQ non-English speaking Muslims may say things like 'I dont give a cr*p about your Jesus....Qur'an calls him Isa bla bla bla". Reason being that they dont want to go by the name "Jesus" bcus it's ridiculous to them. But the intention is NEVER about saying silly things against this mighty prophet of Allah. Anyone who does that or disbelieve in prophet hood of Isa(Jesus) peace be upon him) seize to be Muslim. Get this fact right.

If you pay close attention to our debates here since January, you would see that at some point we muslims also have said things like "your Jesus, you man-god, your 3 headed-god" etc. This is not abusive. This is to differentiate the real Jesus as taught by Islam from counterfeit Christians proclaim. Please note the difference. NO MUSLIM IS A MUSLIM IF HE/SHE DISBELIEVES IN JESUS.

Now, I wont deny some individual Muslim men who may at some point abuse their non-Muslim wives. This is not in line with Islamic Sharia. Hope this helps

joseph1832:
Oh I forgot. Thanks for clearing this up. That's why I mentioned you.

I'm glad you remembered.

Sorry please can you explain why muslims girls are forbidden to marry christian men? Or so I'm told.

Well, this is very simple. But my explanation may not go down well with you. It's simple fact even though you may disagree. But if you can apply wisdom, you will know that it makes sense.

Muslims believe in all prophets and messangers of God. From Adam to Muhammad (peace be upon them). We deny none of them. But Jews, while they believe in some prophets and messangers, they reject Jesus the son of Mary and Muhammad as messangers of Allah(peace be upn them). Christians however believe and accept Jesus. Christians also reject prophet Muhammad(peace be upon them). So for a muslim woman to marry Christian man has no protection of her religion. Chances of being harassed is very high. Her christian husband may say inappropriate things about Muhammad(SAW) delibrately or not but a muslim man or woman will NEVER ever say anything derogatory about Jesus and Moses (peace be upon them). This is one of the simple logics. But there are other reasons that need in-depth explanation.

Take NL Christians for example. See how they talk trash about prophet Muhammad (Allah's blessings and peace be upon him). Did you ever saw any Muslim here said rude things about Jesus?. NEVER!!!!!. Exactly the way this Christians behave here is the way Muslim woman who marries christian man would behave. Quran and Hadith teach that wherever Allah and His messanger are being mocked, Muslim must leave the area immediately because curses of Allah and His Angels descend in that arena. This is why I reluctant sometimes to engage these folks should they not engage in scholarly discussion.

This is contrary if a Muslim man marries a christian woman. She keeps her christian faith and may revert to Islam at her own will. Her religion security is guaranteed. Her sincere Muslim husband will never harass her and will never and can never say anything unspeakable about Jesus (peace be upon him) because this may take him out of the fold of Islam.

Note: This Christians of today are not the same people of the time of Jesus and Muhammad. These Christians today are polytheists. This is another subject to be discussed.

joseph1832:
Mido.lian is this true? http://quran.com/9/5 I hard to google it to know if the wording are true.

What interpretation is given here to ascertain the ambush of polytheist? Em.piree I need assistance here.

Joseph, you again?. Didn't I explain this verse to you at some point months ago?. Remember the thread by "liekiller", where you came up with bunch of so called brutal verses and I explained them in their proper contexts?. Kindly refer back to the thread. Better still you can do your honest research online.

Common sense tells us that sura 9:5 is historically connected. Besides this verse is very famous among Islamophobes. Muslims can explain a million times, mofos are gonna do whatever they want. Who cares!

platypelloid:
It is time to start processing Canada PR

Now you can do that. It's time.

some people above in this thread although I thank them have said I should stay put to Nigeria, but they themselves are abroad, them no gree come back naija!!that's people for you!!

Although i understood why some said to stay put. I wont say that. Explore the world. Noting wrong with that. It's true that some people are overseas doing absolutely nothing. They are miserable. They better of in nija. There are many cases of people who made bad decisions but your case is now different compared to your initial thought. You now have backup to fall on.

You see what you did easily by building your own little house. That's precious. You know many people abroad send money to their loved ones, family or even contractor to build a house for them but their money go down the drain. You have to thank God that you are present with builders from beginning till end. That's something some people abroad have no privilege.

As for me, I never said you should stay put. I suggested you open small business or build a house if you could. That you may travel thereafter. Here is the link https://www.nairaland.com/2118308/advice-pls

Explore the world bro and dont forget home ooo my brother.

metalgear:
Shut your yakker before I slap the black out of your skin negro. I had every intention of going the distance with this girl, but her attitude to things put me off. We went out for a good three years. I tried so much to contain her excesses, tried to change my ways for her, but she didn't want to reciprocate. don't judge on something you don't know.

By the way, someone who has no qualms insulting my mum, the woman who brought me to this world, who nurtured me and made me who I am today, is someone I can never take home to meet her. Even after insulting her, she never apologized. I am a yoruba man and I have the whole respect for my mother. You don't go insulting my parents or my siblings and expect me to present you to them as my future wife.

ok. Easy, you hit the nail with your little details. But hey, na your side of the story be this. She's isn't here to defend herself. Who knows you said this to get sympathy. Ofcourse I won't trade my mum for silly fiance. No sensible man does that.

metalgear:
I once dated a Ghanaian girl like that when I was doing my masters. At some point she got so selfish, she didn't care even if I was with my FAMILY. She went as far as even mentioning my mother and calling my brother a fool during one of our arguments. Barely a year into our "relationship" she had already been demanding to be introduced to my mum, the same woman who she talked smack about. It was then I knew this wasn't a girl I wanted to spend the rest of my life with. I just tagged along for the good sex we had and dumped her sorry arse when I left the US and went back to Nigeria. To say she was shocked when she learnt I got married was an understatement. She almost went mad and the last I heard, she was attending sessions with a shrink.

You are the crook and betrayal in this relationship. It means your intention with her was to only eat the icing on the cake. You are a bad man. She did the right thing for wanting to know your mum.

wasak:
I put into the relationship from the very first day. She has the ability to keep things to herself, she doesn't open up.

That's it. Guess what, leave her for few months, no contact. ...by the time you see her again, she will most likely gets pregnant for crackhead. Ladies today are very stupid.

I'm afraid she's seing someone besides you. Only time will tell. And the fella will be a jack, and someone that beats the crap out of her and she will respect such a man. Respect that she doesn't give you. I'm familiar with this situation. Your problem is the length of your relationship will make it difficult for you to let go. Just cool down, reduce contact with her. One day she will call at least just to see what you up to. Try going out with friends to get over her a little.

Some ladies are secretive...usually zodiac sign SCORPIO. I I'm afraid she's beautiful and will use that to mess you up. Again, don't be surprised if she gets pregnant for a jack and a loser. That's what they do. And she will try coming back to you for comfort after her man openly smokes weed.

wasak:
I put into the relationship from the very first day. She has the ability to keep things to herself, she doesn't open up.

That's it. Guess what, leave her for few months, no contact. ...by the time you see her again, she will most likely get pregnant for crackhead. Ladies today are very stupid.

I'm afraid she's seeing someone besides you. Only time will tell. And the fella will be a jerk, and someone that beats the crap out of her and she will respect such a man. Respect that she doesn't give you. I'm familiar with this situation. Your problem is the length of your relationship will make it difficult for you to let go. Just cool down, reduce contact with her. One day she will call at least just to see what you up to. Try going out with friends to get over her a little.

Some ladies are secretive...usually zodiac sign SCORPIO. I'm afraid she's beautiful and will use that to mess you up. Again, don't be surprised if she gets pregnant for a jerk. That's what they do. And she will try coming back to you for comfort.

Welcome back @rilwayne. You served your NL-jail time finish?

Who was the prosecutor

Demmzy15:
Haha Salam Aleikum Sir, I thought so too. I perceive her!

walaikum Salaam dear brother. Time will tell if that's who she is.

You doing great here brother. Good job.

You brothers still trying to make these nitwits to comprehend? . Lots of work it is.

Anyways, is this a brand new ifeann-like, plappville?.

enieme:
I don't think he's even that.

https://www.nairaland.com/1891161/quranites-quranists-hadith-rejecters

Btw, ur conclusion about love and or religiousness Mat be somehow unacceptable for the or I mean. But for the hand it's okeokay.
If I say or, does one go marry say a Muslim dat doesn't papray all d name of lov?
I prefer thinkinbitbthis way, both a're needed but d religiousness take precedence over love in whatever choice one makeS.

Of course, religiousness take precedence. But you still get to love the one is spend eternity with.

^lol..didnt know you sensed that.

usermane:
What is all this nonsense? He asked me, me... me and I have introduced myself. Allow him to find the rest by himself instead of spoon feeding him.

And, you need to suck it up. Those you call Quraniyyun are not a sect or madhab. A sect or madhab have Imam and a formal interpretation of Islam, an oath of allegiance and penalty for apostasy. Unlike you Sunnis and Shiites, the so called Quraniyyun have non of these. So they cannot be recognized as another sect or madhab

Alright buddy...no hard feelings. I didnt say Quranite is sect. It's simply independent ideology.

enieme:
Hmm, srry o but if I may ask,what sect do u belong to or what madhab do uu follow ? Cos urs seem totally different from d view d general muslim population hold

Lol, he's "Quraniyun".

usermane, u are biting what you can't chew with sisi

usermane:
Am sorry, It seem you have no mercy or respect for animal life. That is why you had no qualms displaying this video. Isn't it more ideal to slaughter an animal whilst it is in a calm state than an animal horrified at the sight of blood and already thrown in a state of panic.

You mixed things up. Why portrayed me as wicked fellow?. I posted the video basically for Eld remembrance. That's all. You the one that have problems with it. You love picking and sticking your nose.

Now, here is my creed on the issue....the way we used to slaughter back in the days. Ram as case study: must be at least 6months old. Healthy, no blemishes. At the time of slaughter, whatever ram has been going through. ..like "ram fighting", we must wait until it cools or calms. Not breathing excessively. Lay down on the side facing qibla, cover the eyes, hold ram down by multiple folks, a very brilliant knife, even at this point we relax to reduce ram's tension for a min or two. Say Allah's name and slit the throat. It's not always possible with one stroke.

We continue to hold it down until it completely stops breathing. We do not allow it "dancing" around as this is considered 'mukhru'. After that we wash off blood from its neck. The last two point I raised is what's is missing in the video. But I thought you talking about washing off blood from the ground before the next slaughter. We washed blood from the neck. So we respect animal. You can't use this video to judge the entire ummah. Just because I did not elaborate earlier does not mean I'm cruel.

So do you have problem with my view now? .

If they killed this animal by electrocution whilst mentioning Allah s name would you eat it? For once, admit that you are wrong. There is no excuse for this

Your opinion. This is wrong attribute to me. Knife is what is recommended. Don't know where you got this from. Stop the drift and twist.

usermane:
You are not serious, man. The safety and well being of animals to be slaughtered ought to come before anything else. If they are willing to kill so many at a time and place, they should be ready to clean up the place after each slaughter. This is common sense of respect for the rams and those consuming it. Even an atheist should know this.

Honestly, I am trying to figure out what you mean by 'to clean up the place'. You mean to clean the blood after every slaughter?. If that is the case, there is no requirement for that though. Requirements are that knife should good, single swift at a time as possible and also to hold than the animal until it is completely dead. They did not hold them long enough until blood stopped. But cleaning stuff you brought up makes no sense. However, when i was around back in the day, to be honest, if we had to slaughter multiple, we did that separately at same location. Indicating number of rams slaughtered.

Yes. This is absolutely possible with well crafted knifes or machine blade designed for this.

Easier said than done. Even as tiny chicken neck can be, one needs to be careful not to cut off neck completely with one slit. I know it's possible but not everyone is able to do so. The Northern Mallams do this perfectly. I have seen them slit the throat ONE TIME. Again, these animal are heavier (tick neck) than the other.

I do agree that they aren't perfect. But to say you wont eat from it is a big waste of time. I go eat am cus na Allah's name bless am.

usermane:
Hey, big man, what 's your problem with me?

proooooblem? nah.

I maintain that the scriptures do not prohibit mere dating or courtship and i stand by that. You claimed otherwise but have failed to give evidence from the scripture so far.

Lol, you missed it. Go back up there buddy.

I don't give a damn about the Muslim community accepting my philosophy because it add nothing to my well being.

Yup, you are entitled to your opinion. That's your prerogative my man.

The only reason i come here to post is to let out the truth. If i convince anyone, great. But if i don't, it doesn't change anything. I never claimed to be perfect but i know i am right on several claims. In a community that is absorbed in self gratification, hero-worship and self-righteousness, i feel great to go against the grain.

Your right now. No one is gonna take it from you. Enjoy

For the story you refer us, i can refer you to several stories of happily married couples who have dated from high school or early college years. The problem with you is that you only see sex whenever dating is mentioned because you have been wired to do so by your ulamas. You 've repeatedly proved that you know nothing about dating or courtship even though you stubbornly argue concerning it.

Oh well, there is no need to put on boxing gloves with me. No, I do not think it involves only sex all the time. I basically said chances of that is very high. Can you deny that?. But kindly put percentage @underlined against my opinion. Just weigh the percentage. That's enough. I dont deny successful dating and courtship.

PS: And you should stop talking about women 's honor because your religion grant women no real honor. There are already enough proofs for this, you just can't see this because you are living far from reality.

Back to op, there is nothing wrong marrying for LOVE & or RELIGIOUSNESS.

Op, waste time time man.

This is why i disagree with usermane approach. This is what happens (link below) if muslims are to adopt his philosophy. Read the link below see how terrible they live.

http://community.babycenter.com/post/a32948410/nothing_prepares_you_for_a_loser_baby_daddy.

They just have babies like birds. No women's honor whatsoever!

justaqad:
Asalam Alaykum.

Islam is a religion not just to he Arabs but to the whole world,Simply by saying 'there is no god apart from God.

شَهِدَ اللّهُ أَنَّهُ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ وَالْمَلاَئِكَةُ وَأُوْلُواْ الْعِلْمِ قَآئِمَاً بِالْقِسْطِ لاَ إِلَهَ إِلاَّ هُوَ الْعَزِيزُ الْحَكِيمُ

God bears witness that there is no other god besides Him, and so do the angels and those who possess knowledge."(Verse 3:18)

there is a trend among Muslims which i find not just disturbing but wrong.muslims are submitters to the will of Allah not to the will of Arabs.
we are loosing our identity to the Arabs.the essence of naming is for Identity.when i hear the name Chidi,i know he is Igbo by tribe.but it would be difficult to tell whether Gafar that resides in Oshodi is yoruba,igbo,hausa or Arab.
i fear we are loosing our cultural heritage to the Arabs.i beg to differ there is no such thing as Islamic name.i am not saying Arabic names are bad,but we ought not loose our identity.
i grew up with an Arabic name as my first name,whenever i say my first name,people start asking are you Hausa?it will take me me some seconds to introduce my self.i have since adopted my tribal name as my first,arabic second.
i am proud of my race,i am proud to be called Yoruba.i am not loosing it,not for anything.

Masalam

I beg to disagree with you buddy. You also seem to contradict yourself as well reading your other post.

You said islam is universal. Thats simple truth. But then, you promote idea of "as-sabiyah" - tribes etc. If islam is universal, implication is anyone is free to pick islamic names he or she wants. Should we say some white folks are losing their identity by bearing islamic names as well?.

You don't know Yusuf islam? . Why didn't he retain his birth names? . How about Yusuf Este, Hamza Yusuf, Siraj wahaj, Malik Shabaz, to mention a few. These folks have their local/national birth names. You are promoting idea of nationalism and tribalism op.

usermane:
Damn! I will not eat from these rams if i happen to be anywhere there. This is horrendrous and an insult to Islam! Slaughtering animals like cavemen from prehistoric times. Dragging tensed, innocent animals like harmful beasts to a blood soaked soil and beheading them like this deserve condemnation from any good willed person.

You definitely have problems with almost every injunction in Islam. There are other factors you need to consider. How else you want them to slit the throat?. And they have to clean blood soaked soil after every slaughtered animal before the next?. As you can see, these are multiple qurbani. Not possible to clean after every ram.

It is also not true that animal slaughter as done in traditional Muslim societies is humane and painless. [u]Animals should rather be stunned[/b] before sticking their throat, this eliminates pre-slaughter stress and tension the animal may face.

Where did you get the idea @underlined from?. Isn't that violent act?. I really want to know what you mean by that. Usermane, you are incredible.

Plus, a painless beheading or sticking is achieved with a single swift unidirectional stroke by a very sharp knife, not bi-directional strokes as common in traditional Muslim societies like in the above clip.

Critisize all you want. Can you sincerely say you can slit ram's throat with single swift even with a sharp knife?. This is not chicken buddy.

I know they aren't perfect but your criticism is off.

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