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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 8:41pm On May 02, 2015

unphilaz:
last time i checked which christian burnt a mosque and an imam house and his daughter killed becos a former muslim reconverted back to islam from christianity. And some pastor opted to build the mosque.

http://answeringchristians..com/2011/03/christians-massacre-muslims-burn.html

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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 8:37pm On May 02, 2015

Iceflox:
The bible is a book of two religions, Judaism and Christianity.
old testament was Judaism while new testament is Christianity.
so, if you quote chronicles.which falls in old testament, saying Judaism was corrupt, you may be right.
Judaism and all other religions are corrupt, only Christianity is pure

rubbish! Why then your pastors and other Christians here quote old testament?. truthman2012 quoted Leviticus to suggest that christianity forbids bestiality but the chapter is in Old testament which means Christianity does not forbids bestiality.

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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 8:33pm On May 02, 2015

truthman2012:
[s]The Arabs were complaining to Muhammad that the quran is so difficult for them to understand and allahh/muhammad said why not? Why do you say you cannot understand something written in arabic and the messenger is even an arab. This is enough to show a reasonable person that the religion is arabian. If the arabs could not understand it, how could the non-arabs?[/s]

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Allah confirms the quran is made difficult. Why? To manipulate the people:

[/s]nONSENSE!

[Quran 3:7] He it is Who has sent down to thee the Book: In it are verses basic or fundamental (of established meaning); they are the foundation of the Book: others are allegorical. But those in whose hearts is perversity follow the part thereof that is allegorical, seeking discord, AND SEARCHING FOR ITS HIDDEN MEANINGS, BUT NO ONE KNOWS ITS HIDDEN MEANINGS EXCEPT ALLAH. And those who are firmly grounded in knowledge say: "We believe in the Book; the whole of it is from our Lord:" and none will grasp the Message except men of understanding.

''No one knows the hidden meaning of the quran except allahh''. What does this mean?

Allah has a hidden agenda which no muslims know. And the hidden agenda is to deceive mankind. Why should the meaning be made hidden?

Nobody, even the arabs in whose language the quran was written cannot understand it because only allahh understands the manipulations it contains.

Tell me, why should only allahh know something meant for your use? How do you apply it since you can't know but only allahh.

May the true God open your eyes.

Obviously you have no idea what islam is. Imran verse 7 is talking about methodology. God is teaching us two ways by which knowledge can be derived from Quran: External and Internal knowledge. Or Implicit and explicit knowledge.

Explicit (external knowledge) are verses of the Quran which are plain and clear. They only need tafsir (further explanation). It's from this aspect of knowledge all our obligatory practices, hudood etc derived. Which means anyone can pick up the Quran, read and understand many verses without interpretation.

Implicit(Internal knowledge) are verses that are not entirely clear. These sort of verses need INTERPRETATION. That's what the verse means by allegorical (mutashabiat). None know their meanings except Allah and His messanger and religious learned men.

Now let me go a little further.

There is difference between Tafsir and Tawil. Tafsir is explanation. Tawil is interpretation. Get that?.

The Mutashabihat and Muhkamat Ayat

Allah states that in the Qur'an, there are Ayat that are Muhkamat, entirely clear and plain, and these are the foundations of the Book which are plain for everyone. And there are Ayat in the Qur'an that are Mutashabihat not entirely clear for many, or some people. So those who refer to the Muhkam Ayat to understand the Mutashabih Ayat, will have acquired the correct guidance, and vice versa.

This is why Allah said

هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَـبِ

(They are the foundations of the Book), meaning, they are the basis of the Qur'an, and should be referred to for clarification, when warranted,

وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـبِهَـتٌ

(And others not entirely clear) as they have several meanings, some that agree with the Muhkam and some that carry other literal indications, although these meaning might not be desired.

The Muhkamat are the Ayat that explain the abrogating rulings, the allowed, prohibited, laws, limits, obligations and rulings that should be believed in and implemented. As for the Mutashabihat Ayat, they include parables, oaths, and what should be believed in, but not implemented.

Muhammad bin Ishaq bin Yasar commented on,

مِنْهُ آيَـتٌ مُّحْكَمَـتٌ

(In it are verses that are entirely clear) as "Containing proof of the Lord, immunity for the servants and a refutation of opponents and of falsehood. They cannot be changed or altered from what they were meant for.'' He also said, "As for the unclear Ayat, they can (but must not) be altered and changed, and this is a test from Allah to the servants, just as He tested them with the allowed and prohibited things. So these Ayat must not be altered to imply a false meaning or be distorted from the truth.''

Therefore, Allah said,

فَأَمَّا الَّذِينَ فى قُلُوبِهِمْ زَيْغٌ

(So as for those in whose hearts there is a deviation) meaning, those who are misguided and deviate from truth to falsehood,

فَيَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَـبَهَ مِنْهُ

(they follow that which is not entirely clear thereof) meaning, they refer to the Mutashabih, because they are able to alter its meanings to conform with their false interpretation since the wordings of the Mutashabihat encompass such a wide area of meanings. As for the Muhkam Ayat, they cannot be altered because they are clear and, thus, constitute unequivocal proof against the misguided people. This is why Allah said,

ابْتِغَآءَ الْفِتْنَةِ

(seeking Al-Fitnah) meaning, they seek to misguide their following by pretending to prove their innovation by relying on the Qur'an -- the Mutashabih of it -- but, this is proof against and not for them. For instance, Christians might claim that ﴿`Isa is divine because﴾ the Qur'an states that he is Ruhullah and His Word, which He gave to Mary, all the while ignoring Allah's statements,

[size=20pt]إِنْ هُوَ إِلاَّ عَبْدٌ أَنْعَمْنَا عَلَيْهِ[/size]

(He ﴿`Isa﴾ was not more than a servant. We granted Our favor to him.) ﴿43:59﴾, and,

إِنَّ مَثَلَ عِيسَى عِندَ اللَّهِ كَمَثَلِ ءَادَمَ خَلَقَهُ مِن تُرَابٍ ثُمَّ قَالَ لَهُ كُن فَيَكُونُ

(Verily, the likeness of `Isa before Allah is the likeness of Adam. He created him from dust, then (He) said to him: "Be!'' and he was.) ﴿3:59﴾.

There are other Ayat that clearly assert that `Isa is but one of Allah's creatures and that he is the servant and Messenger of Allah, among other Messengers.

Allah's statement,

وَابْتِغَآءَ تَأْوِيلِهِ

(And seeking for its Ta'wil,) to alter them as they desire. Imam Ahmad recorded that `A'ishah said, "The Messenger of Allah recited,

هُوَ الَّذِى أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَـبَ مِنْهُ آيَـتٌ مُّحْكَمَـتٌ هُنَّ أُمُّ الْكِتَـبِ وَأُخَرُ مُتَشَـبِهَـتٌ

(It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are verses that are entirely clear, they are the foundations of the Book; and others not entirely clear,), until, أُوْلُواْ الأَلْبَـبِ

(Men of understanding) and he said, «فَإِذَا رَأَيْتُمُ الَّذِين يُجَادِلُونَ فِيهِ، فَهُمُ الَّذِينَ عَنَى اللهُ، فَاحْذَرُوهُم»

(When you see those who argue in it like you just did up there and you and your fellow "christgangs" have been doing for 5 months now (using the Mutashabihat), then they are those whom Allah meant. Therefore, beware of them.)''

Al-Bukhari recorded a similar Hadith in the Tafsir of this Ayah ﴿3:7﴾, as did Muslim in the book of Qadar (the Divine Will) in his Sahih, and Abu Dawud in the Sunnah section of his Sunan, from `A'ishah; "The Messenger of Allah recited this Ayah,

هُوَ الَّذِى أَنزَلَ عَلَيْكَ الْكِتَـبَ مِنْهُ آيَـتٌ مُّحْكَمَـتٌ

(It is He Who has sent down to you the Book. In it are verses that are entirely clear,) until,

وَمَا يَذَّكَّرُ إِلاَّ أُوْلُواْ الأَلْبَـبِ

(And none receive admonition except men of understanding.)

He then said,

«فَإِذَا رَأَيْتِ الَّذِينَ يَتَّبِعُونَ مَا تَشَابَهَ مِنْهُ؛ فَأُولئِكَ الَّذِينَ سَمَّى اللهُ، فَاحْذَرُوهُم»

(When you see those who follow what is not so clear of the Qur'an, then they are those whom Allah described, so beware of them.)''

Now, I am expecting you to say "trash". That's what kafir does best.

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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 7:54pm On May 02, 2015

truthman2012:
~~Trash!~~

I can see you high with anger. The spirit of islam in demonstration. Smh!

perfect way to digress

Islam › Re: True Story About Abraham's Journey To Mecca by Empiree: 6:58pm On May 02, 2015*

truthman2012:
[size=2pt]Sahih Bukhari Volume 004, Book 055, Hadith Number 583.
Narated By Ibn Abbas : The first lady to use a girdle was the mother of Ishmael. She used a girdle so that she might hide her tracks from Sarah. Abraham brought her and her son Ishmael while she was suckling him, to a place near the Ka'ba under a tree on the spot of Zam-zam, at the highest place in the mosque. During those days there was nobody in Mecca, nor was there any water So he made them sit over there and placed near them a leather bag containing some dates, and a small water-skin containing some water, and set out homeward. Ishmael's mother followed him saying, "O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

'O our Lord! I have made some of my offspring dwell in a valley without cultivation, by Your Sacred House (Kaba at Mecca) in order, O our Lord, that they may offer prayer perfectly. So fill some hearts among men with love towards them, and (O Allah) provide them with fruits, so that they may give thanks.' (14.37) Ishmael's mother went on suckling Ishmael and drinking from the water (she had).

When the water in the water-skin had all been used up, she became thirsty and her child also became thirsty. She started looking at him (i.e. Ishmael) tossing in agony; She left him, for she could not endure looking at him, and found that the mountain of Safa was the nearest mountain to her on that land. She stood on it and started looking at the valley keenly so that she might see somebody, but she could not see anybody. Then she descended from Safa and when she reached the valley, she tucked up her robe and ran in the valley like a person in distress and trouble, till she crossed the valley and reached the Marwa mountain where she stood and started looking, expecting to see somebody, but she could not see anybody. She repeated that (running between Safa and Marwa) seven times."

The Prophet said, "This is the source of the tradition of the walking of people between them (i.e. Safa and Marwa). When she reached the Marwa (for the last time) she heard a voice and she asked herself to be quiet and listened attentively. She heard the voice again and said, 'O, (whoever you may be)! You have made me hear your voice; have you got something to help me?" And behold! She saw an angel at the place of Zam-zam, digging the earth with his heel (or his wing), till water flowed from that place. She started to make something like a basin around it, using her hand in this way, and started filling her water-skin with water with her hands, and the water was flowing out after she had scooped some of it."

The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.' When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it."[/size] [b]The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127)
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Your pasting the full length of the hadith does not make any difference. In fact it proves the more that Abraham had no hands in the building of Kaaba.

Please study the bold: In the 2nd paragraph, Abraham talked about Kaaba The Sacred House at the time Ishmael was still being suckled. This was a time there was nothing, absolutely nothing on that land. How could Abraham talk about Kaaba on the land nothing was existing? If Kaaba was there already, it means he was not the builder.

The last paragraph (bold): Abraham talked about Ishmael helping him in the building Kaaba after he said it was was already there when Ishmael was still a baby. We are not told allahh spoke to Abraham to build Kaaba at that initial stage of their journey to Mecca.

Now tell me, at what time did Abraham built Kaaba, because according to this hadith, it was already in Mecca,the first time he settled Hagai there with her baby?

Again, quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad, how do you explain Abraham (a messenger) being in Mecca without running into contradiction?

What house of worship did he build for himself and his other children in Israel?

Remember it was God who approved the sending away of Ishmael and his mother from his house in Israel, why did He (God) suddenly become interested in them as to build a house of worship for them without a single house of worship for the favourite family?

Remove the moles from your eyes. The whole section I posted and that you re-pasted already answered everything. Remove bigotry and everything is all clear.

Paragraph you talked about was simply about location of the Kaaba. It was merely hillock as i posted earlier. Nothing was built. No house (Kaaba) was built at the time. It was like mountain in the area at that time. It means Abraham(AS) knew the location of the Kaaba where he and his son Ismail(AS) would later erect the building. The lengthy narration clearly indicates Abraham and Ismail built Kaaba. Very simple

Pay close attention to bolded-blue, who are 'they'?

Yusuf Ali: And remember Abraham and Isma'il raised the foundations of the House (With this prayer): "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us: For Thou art the All-Hearing, the All-knowing.(2:127)

"And when we assigned to Abraham the place of the House: ‘Do not associate with Me anything, and purify My House for those who circumambulate it, who stand in prayer, and who bow, and prostrate themselves (all in prayer).’ And proclaim the Pilgrimage (Hajj) among people, and they shall come to you on foot, and on every lean camel. They shall come to you from every deep and distant mountain highways." (Quran 22:26)

"And when We made the House (the Kaaba) a resort for mankind and sanctuary, (saying): Take as your place of worship the place where Abraham stood (to pray). And We took a covenant with Abraham and Ishmael that they should purify My House (the Kaaba) for those who compass it round, devote themselves (to worship) in it, or bow, or prostrate themselves (therein in prayer)." (Quran 2:125)

"Indeed the first House (of worship) appointed for humanity is that at Bakka: Full of blessing and of guidance for all the worlds. In it are Signs Manifest; (such as), the Station of Abraham; whoever enters it attains security; Pilgrimage thereto is a duty men owe to God,- those who have the ability." (Quran 22:26-27)

"And (remember) when Abraham said, "My Lord, make this city (Mecca) a place of security and provide its people with fruits, such of them as believe in God and the Last Day..." (Quran 2:126)

127 And (remember) when Ibrahim (Abraham) and (his son) Isma'il (Ishmael) were raising the foundations of the House (the Ka'bah at Makkah), (saying), "Our Lord! Accept (this service) from us. Verily! You are the All-Hearer, the All-Knower."

128 Our Lord! And make us submissive unto You and of our offspring a nation submissive unto You, and show us our Manasik (all the ceremonies of pilgrimage - Hajjand 'Umrah), and accept our repentance. Truly, You are the One Who accepts repentance, the Most Merciful.

129 Our Lord! Send amongst them a Messenger of their own (and indeed Allah answered their invocation by sending Muhammad صلى الله عليه وسلم), who shall recite unto them Your Verses and instruct them in the Book (this Qur'an) and Al-Hikmah (full knowledge of the Islamic laws and jurisprudence or wisdom or Prophethood), and purify them. Verily! You are the All-Mighty, the All-Wise."

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Really 90ft Tall? Scientific Proof! by Empiree: 4:35pm On May 02, 2015

CHUKWUEZEDIKE:
I tell you the truth, you agreed not because you know that it is the truth, but because it suits your claims. Try and get wisdom, and in all your gettings get understanding. There are so many mystries yet to be resolved. If you really want to embrace the truth, you must eliminate all forms of ethnic, racial, or religious sentiments. The Supreme Being, is the fullness of truth; and It ways are pure and just. Have you ever wondered how all religions of the world came into being? Or, why are there different races of people in the world? You are here today defending your religion simply because you were born into the religion; not because you have known the truth. People love to showcase how intelligent they are by distorting the truth, and twisting or bending it to suit them.

By 'Earth Deity ', I mean Supernatural force/god/goddess in charge of the Earth. Allah is the custodian of human moralities.

The Ancient Tradition of the Igbo People is Spiritual; not textual. Igbos hold the original spirituality of the tradition of the Ancient People; and they observe and venerate all the Supernatural Forces. Igbo ancestors are called 'Ndi Mbu' (The first ones), 'Ndi Ochie' (Ancient ones), 'Ndi mmuo na mmadu'(godmen), 'Umu Chukwu '(Children of God), 'Umu Ihe'(Children of Light), 'Ndi Nshi'(Divine ones), etc..

Yes of course, I'm Igbo.

I still dont understand where you getting at. What exactly is your point?

Islam › Re: True Story About Abraham's Journey To Mecca by Empiree: 4:25pm On May 02, 2015

truthman2012:
Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

Continue........

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished and called on them again but did not find Ishmael. So he came to Ishmael's wife and asked her about Ishmael. She said, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Abraham asked her, 'How are you getting on?' asking her about their sustenance and living. She replied, 'We are prosperous and well-off (i.e. we have everything in abundance).' Then she thanked Allah' Abraham said, 'What kind of food do you eat?' She said. 'Meat.' He said, 'What do you drink?' She said, 'Water." He said, "O Allah! Bless their meat and water." The Prophet added, "At that time they did not have grain, and if they had grain, he would have also invoked Allah to bless it." The Prophet added, "If somebody has only these two things as his sustenance, his health and disposition will be badly affected, unless he lives in Mecca." The Prophet added," Then Abraham said Ishmael's wife, "When your husband comes, give my regards to him and tell him that he should keep firm the threshold of his gate.

[/color][/b]When Ishmael came back, he asked his wife, 'Did anyone call on you?' She replied, 'Yes, a good-looking old man came to me,' so she praised him and added. 'He asked about you, and I informed him, and he asked about our livelihood and I told him that we were in a good condition.' Ishmael asked her, 'Did he give you any piece of advice?' She said, 'Yes, he told me to give his regards to you and ordered that you should keep firm the threshold of your gate.' On that Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and you are the threshold (of the gate). He has ordered me to keep you with me.'

Then Abraham stayed away from them for a period as long as Allah wished, and called on them afterwards. He saw Ishmael under a tree near Zamzam, sharpening his arrows. When he saw Abraham, he rose up to welcome him (and they greeted each other as a father does with his son or a son does with his father). Abraham said, 'O Ishmael! Allah has given me an order.' Ishmael said, 'Do what your Lord has ordered you to do.' Abraham asked, 'Will you help me?' Ishmael said, 'I will help you.' Abraham said, Allah has ordered me to build a house here,' pointing to a hillock higher than the land surrounding it." The Prophet added, "Then they raised the foundations of the House (i.e. the Ka'ba). Ishmael brought the stones and Abraham was building, and when the walls became high, Ishmael brought this stone and put it for Abraham who stood over it and carried on building, while Ishmael was handing him the stones, and both of them were saying, 'O our Lord! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing.' The Prophet added, "Then both of them went on building and going round the Ka'ba saying: O our Lord ! Accept (this service) from us, Verily, You are the All-Hearing, the All-Knowing." (2.127) (Translation of Sahih Bukhari, Prophets, Volume 4, Book 55, Number 583)"

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Islam › Re: True Story About Abraham's Journey To Mecca by Empiree: 4:25pm On May 02, 2015

truthman2012:
Abraham built Kaaba when there are clear evidences that he went away from Mecca as soon as he got there and never looked back?

Abraham built Kaaba when the quran says there was no messenger in Mecca before Muhammad?

Keep deceiving yourself.

This is where you stopped.

"O Abraham! Where are you going, leaving us in this valley where there is no person whose company we may enjoy, nor is there anything (to enjoy)?" She repeated that to him many times, but he did not look back at her Then she asked him, "Has Allah ordered you to do so?" He said, "Yes." She said, "Then He will not neglect us," and returned while Abraham proceeded onwards, and on reaching the Thaniya where they could not see him, he faced the Ka'ba, and raising both hands, invoked Allah saying the following prayers:

It's a long narration. It's up to you if you want to read it. I have highlighted key parts. Now read........

The Prophet added, "May Allah bestow Mercy on Ishmael's mother! Had she let the Zam-zam (flow without trying to control it) (or had she not scooped from that water) (to fill her water-skin), Zam-zam would have been a stream flowing on the surface of the earth." The Prophet further added, "Then she drank (water) and suckled her child. The angel said to her, 'Don't be afraid of being neglected, for this is the House of Allah which will be built by this boy and his father, and Allah never neglects His people.' The House (i.e. Kaba) at that time was on a high place resembling a hillock, and when torrents came, they they flowed to its right and left. She lived in that way till some people from the tribe of Jurhum or a family from Jurhum passed by her and her child, as they (i.e. the Jurhum people) were coming through the way of Kada'. They landed in the lower part of Mecca where they saw a bird that had the habit of flying around water and not leaving it. They said, 'This bird must be flying around water, though we know that there is no water in this valley.' They sent one or two messengers who discovered the source of water, and returned to inform them of the water. So, they all came (towards the water)." The Prophet added, "Ishmael's mother was sitting near the water. They asked her, 'Do you allow us to stay with you?" She replied, 'Yes, but you will have no right to possess the water.' They agreed to that." The Prophet further said, "Ishmael's mother was pleased with the whole situation as she used to love to enjoy the company of the people. So, they settled there, and later on they sent for their families who came and settled with them so that some families became permanent residents there. The child (i.e. Ishmael) grew up and learnt Arabic from them and (his virtues) caused them to love and admire him as he grew up, and when he reached the age of puberty they made him marry a woman from amongst them.

After Ishmael's mother had died, Abraham came after Ishmael's marriage in order to see his family that he had left before, but he did not find Ishmael there. When he asked Ishmael's wife about him, she replied, 'He has gone in search of our livelihood.' Then he asked her about their way of living and their condition, and she replied, 'We are living in misery; we are living in hardship and destitution,' complaining to him. He said, 'When your husband returns, convey my salutation to him and tell him to change the threshold of the gate (of his house).' When Ishmael came, he seemed to have felt something unusual, so he asked his wife, 'Has anyone visited you?' She replied, 'Yes, an old man of so-and-so description came and asked me about you and I informed him, and he asked about our state of living, and I told him that we were living in a hardship and poverty.' On that Ishmael said, 'Did he advise you anything?' She replied, 'Yes, he told me to convey his salutation to you and to tell you to change the threshold of your gate.' Ishmael said, 'It was my father, and he has ordered me to divorce you. Go back to your family.' So, Ishmael divorced her and married another woman from amongst them (i.e. Jurhum).

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Christianity Etc › Re: Video:pastor Touching The bosom Of Is Follower by Empiree: 1:04am On May 02, 2015*

Too uncomfortable for the fools

Men of God grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Az9XUHmb_kc

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2hMxA8JaiL0

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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 12:56am On May 02, 2015*

truthman2012:
2 Chronicles 15:13King James Version (KJV)
This was the law given to Israel as a Nation.

And in other thread, you claimed there is punishment for bestiality in Christianity. Now you said something else. At-ttaqiyah in action

They never went to other nations to execute people for not believing in Yahweh ~~unlike the muslims'~~ case.

Agbaya jati jati. See how your pikins defeated you. I hope your wife and kids that you so much proud of are reading this. Dont hide it from them

Rilwayne001:
Grandpa why you come lie like this now? Is it that you don't read your buybull well or that you are suffering from amnesia?

@bold, please explain to me the following verse.

Buybull od ordered the Israelites to exterminate all the inhabitants of Canaan (men, women, and children) and to take their land. The God of the Bible commanded Moses and his followers:

Deuteronomy 20:10 When you march up to attack a city, make its people an offer of peace. .

First of all bible God gave them 2 conditions, what are the conditions? lets read the barbaric conditions.

Deu 20:11 If they accept and open their gates, [/b] all the people in it shall be subject to FORCED LABOUR and shall work for you. [/b] .

Can you accept this kind of offer of peace?? can you allow this type of peace offer in Nigeria if you are the president?? think about it.

What if they refuse accept this offer of compulsion, what is going to happen?

Lets read further :
Deu 20:12 If they refuse to make peace and they engage you in battle, lay siege to that city.

Deu 20:13 When the LORD your God delivers it into your hand, put to the sword all the men in it.

Deu 20:14 As for the women, the children, the livestock and everything else in the city, you may take these as plunder for yourselves. And you may use the plunder the LORD your God gives you from your enemies.

Now this was how they are to treat cities that are not even near to the alleged promise land i.e cities that are far away that are not even a threat to them.

Deu 20:15 This is how you are to treat all the cities that are at a distance from you and do not belong to the nations nearby.

How about the natives of the ppromised land? how will they treat them?

Lets read further:
Deu 20:16 However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

Deu 20:17 Completely destroy them --the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites--as the LORD your God has commanded you. .

@truthman2012 said:

truthman2012:
Your question has no relevance to the thread subject. Your quote is not applicable to the Christians, but the Jews at that time.

Had We sent this as a Qur'an
(in the language) other than
Arabic, they would have said:
"Why are not its verses
explained in detail? What! (a Book) not in Arabic and a Messenger an Arab?" (Qur'an 41:44).

Muhammad was sent to the Arabs, are you an arab? Any other verse saying otherwise is contradiction.

And his silly argument was CRUSHED!

tola9ja:
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Surat Al-'Anbyā' (The Prophets) - سورة الأنبياء

21:107
And We have not sent you, [O Muhammad], except as a mercy to the worlds.

Mohammed messenger-hood is universal

Surat Fuşşilat (Explained in Detail) - سورة فصلت

41:44

And if We had made it a non-Arabic Qur'an, they would have said, "Why are its verses not explained in detail [in our language]? Is it a foreign [recitation] and an Arab [messenger]?" Say, "It is, for those who believe, a guidance and cure." And those who do not believe - in their ears is deafness, and it is upon them blindness. Those are being called from a distant place.

only a fool will not understand this verse

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Christianity Etc › Re: See What The Bible Says About Non Christian by Empiree: 12:47am On May 02, 2015

NumberOne2:
Sure, its always easy to quote half scriptures and blow out of context.

The rest of that passage you quoted is as follows"

"Then came she and worshipped him, saying, Lord, help me.
But he answered and said, It is not meet to take the children's bread, and to cast it to dogs.
And she said, Truth, Lord: yet the dogs eat of the crumbs which fall from their masters' table.
Then Jesus answered and said unto her, O woman, great is thy faith: be it unto thee even as thou wilt. And her daughter was made whole from that very hour." - Matthew 15:25-28

rubbish!

Finally here is one for you to ponder, Jesus also said:

"And he said unto them, Go ye into all the world, and preach the gospel to every creature.
He that believeth and is baptized shall be saved; but he that believeth not shall be damned." - Mark 16:15-16

@underlined must be understood in the light of the "twelve tribes" of Israel. Not the whole world. If you disagree, then there is contradiction between both verses(Mark 16:15 and Matthew 15:24). So which one you want to choose?. If you choose both, it means Bible contradicts itself. If you choose Matthew 15:24, it means Jesus and his message have nothing to do with you.

The letters BOLDED above, is the ONLY the lost house of Israel?

Yes

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 12:16am On May 02, 2015

9jaforlife:
Pls don't post this type of picture during Ramadan fa. I will personally ban you

Just the way I like it- finely chopped veggies with plenty cream. Kai... I'm feeling hungry now

Lol, it really looks great. Makes person feel hungry. That's my side dish for dinner with kulikuli grin

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Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 4:53pm On May 01, 2015

kazlaw2000:
Lol. Just talk of word rhyme. Maybe I should try it one of these days. I reckon it will be very good for digestion]

It's merely salad. Very good taste. They are diff types but I like this one the most bcuz it's creamy.

Islam › Re: Islam For Muslims: Side Talk Station by Empiree: 12:22pm On May 01, 2015

@kazlaw2000, do you eat lots of coleslaw?. Your moniker sounds familiar [size=15pt]kazlaw[/size] grin

Islam › Re: How I Nearly Became A Christian Yesterday by Empiree: 9:58am On May 01, 2015

kazlaw2000:
@empiree, pls send to . I have password issues with the registered email on nairaland.

Islam › Re: Women's Intelligence-hadith Again by Empiree: 1:53am On May 01, 2015

Op, will you be kind enough to provide source (hadith). If you just copied this directly from a site without source embedded, consider it nonsense until you can find one. I dont know if i missing it but i looked through your post, i found none.

Although I did read hadith similar but not this one. That one was interpreted. It has nothing to do with women being deficient intellectually compare to men. Until you can provide the hadith for review, i consider this bogus.

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Islam › Re: How I Nearly Became A Christian Yesterday by Empiree: 1:42am On May 01, 2015

Op, I think your iman is very low as well. Dont fall victim of those people. Seek Allah's protection. Your accepting their creed does not guarantee you any earthly benefits. And in the afterlife is a great loss. Those people have every trick in the book. If you have enough Iman, you will discard them easily. You wont even attempt going to visit pastor.

Your case is not unique. You are going through a test that may not go away anytime soon. Remember many were tested before you. For God's sake and your own sake, you need to get closer and closer to study Islam. Merely observing daily prayers is not enough. You need to actually know what you doing. Christians have all tricks. Pastor telling you he sees Jesus behind you should tell you he's a liar. Read some of their tricks here https://www.nairaland.com/2189813/beware-christians-evangelism-use-deceptions

Like someone said up there, you are on the right path right now. Dont let them sway you by their sweet talks.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Islam Sucks How To Remarry A Woman You Divorce by Empiree: 10:54pm On Apr 30, 2015

وَالۡمُطَلَّقٰتُ يَتَرَ بَّصۡنَ بِاَنۡفُسِهِنَّ ثَلٰثَةَ قُرُوۡٓءٍ ؕ وَلَا يَحِلُّ لَهُنَّ اَنۡ يَّكۡتُمۡنَ مَا خَلَقَ اللّٰهُ فِىۡٓ اَرۡحَامِهِنَّ اِنۡ كُنَّ يُؤۡمِنَّ بِاللّٰهِ وَالۡيَوۡمِ الۡاٰخِرِؕ وَبُعُوۡلَتُهُنَّ اَحَقُّ بِرَدِّهِنَّ فِىۡ ذٰ لِكَ اِنۡ اَرَادُوۡٓا اِصۡلَاحًا ؕ وَلَهُنَّ مِثۡلُ الَّذِىۡ عَلَيۡهِنَّ بِالۡمَعۡرُوۡفِوَلِلرِّجَالِ عَلَيۡهِنَّ دَرَجَةٌ ؕ وَاللّٰهُ عَزِيۡزٌ حَكِيۡمٌ
(2:228) "Divorced women shall keep themselves in waiting for three menstrual courses and it is unlawful for them, if they believe in Allah and the Last Day, to hide whatever Allah might have created in their wombs. Should their husbands desire reconciliation during this time they are entitled to take them back into wedlock."

Women have the same rights against their men as men have against them; but men have a degree above them. Allah is All- Powerful, All-Wise.
Jurists disagree about the legal import of this verse. According to some, as long as a woman has not completed her third menstrual period repudiation will not have the effect of irrevocable divorce. This is the view of Abu Bakr, 'Umar, 'Ali, Ibn 'Abbas, Abu Musa al-Ash'arl, Ibn Mas'ud and several distinguished Companions of the Prophet. This is also the accepted doctrine of the Hanafi jurists. On the other hand, another group of jurists is of the view that, as soon as the third monthly period of a woman begins, the husband ceases to have the right to revoke the divorce. This is the view of , 'A'ishah, Ibn 'Umar and Zayd ibn Thabit, and has been accepted by, the Shafi'i and Maliki jurists. It should be clear, however, that this injunction is applicable only when the husband has pronounced single or double divorce. In case of triple divorce, the husband ceases to have the right of revocation. (See Jassas, vol. 1. pp. 364 ff. - Ed.)

اَلطَّلَاقُ مَرَّتٰنِ فَاِمۡسَاكٌ ۢ بِمَعۡرُوۡفٍ اَوۡ تَسۡرِيۡحٌ ۢ بِاِحۡسَانٍ ؕوَلَا يَحِلُّ لَـکُمۡ اَنۡ تَاۡخُذُوۡا مِمَّآ اٰتَيۡتُمُوۡهُنَّ شَيۡـــًٔا اِلَّاۤ اَنۡ يَّخَافَآ اَ لَّا يُقِيۡمَا حُدُوۡدَ اللّٰهِؕ فَاِنۡ خِفۡتُمۡ اَ لَّا يُقِيۡمَا حُدُوۡدَ اللّٰهِۙ فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيۡهِمَا فِيۡمَا افۡتَدَتۡ بِهٖؕ تِلۡكَ حُدُوۡدُ اللّٰهِ فَلَا تَعۡتَدُوۡهَا ۚ وَمَنۡ يَّتَعَدَّ حُدُوۡدَ اللّٰهِ فَاُولٰٓٮِٕكَ هُمُ الظّٰلِمُوۡنَ‏
(2:229) Divorce can be pronounced twice: then, either honorable retention or kindly release should follow.

(While dissolving the marriage tie) it is unlawful for you to take back anything of what you have given to your wives251 unless both fear that they may not be able to keep within the bounds set by Allah. Then, if they fear that they might not be able to keep within the bounds set by Allah, there is no blame upon them for what the wife might give away of her property to become released from the marriage tie.252 These are the bounds set by Allah; do not transgress them. Those of you who transgress the bounds set by Allah are indeed the wrong-doers.

This little verse aims at the reform of a serious evil that was rampant in the social life in pre-Islamic Arabia. According to the customary law of Arabia, a person was entitled to pronounce any number of divorces upon his wife. As a result divorce was resorted to at the least provocation and annoyance. In addition, the husband often exercised his right to revoke the divorce he had pronounced with the result that the poor wife could neither live with him in happiness nor free herself to contract a fresh marriage with someone else. Here the Qur'an seeks to shut the door on this injustice. According to this verse, a man may pronounce revocable divorce upon his wife not more than twice. Should he pronounce divorce for the third time after revoking it twice, the wife will be permanently alienated from him.

The appropriate procedure for divorce, according to the Qur'an and Hadith, is that a person should pronounce one divorce outside the time of the wife's menstrual period. After the first divorce he may pronounce a second in the next clear period if he wants to, though it is preferable that he should confine himself to pronouncing the first. In this case the husband retains the right to revoke the divorce at any time before the lapse of the period of waiting ('iddah) even if the period of waiting has lapsed, the couple have the right to re-contract the marriage by mutual consent. If the husband, however, pronounces divorce in his wife's third clear period he has no right to revoke the divorce, and the spouses are not entitled to re-contract the marriage. The pronouncing of triple divorce in one session is a highly sinful act according to the Law, and the Prophet has strongly denounced it. (See Nasii, 'Talaq', 6 - Ed.) It has even been established that 'Umar used to flog those who pronounced triple divorce in one session. Although this procedure of divorce is considered sinful, the founders of the four legal schools consider it to have legal effect, with the result that such divorce, in their view, becomes absolutely irrevocable.

This refers to the mahr (bridal gift) and the jewellery, clothes and so on which the husband offers as a gift to his wife, and to which he has no right of reclaim. It is, indeed, normally inconsistent with Islamic ethics that a person should reclaim anything he has made over to another by way of donation or gift. In the Hadith this disgraceful act is likened to a dog licking its own vomit. (See Bukhari, 'Hibah', 30; Nasiii, 'Hibah', 3, etc. - Ed.)

In the case of a husband, in particular, it is a matter of the utmost disgrace that, at the time of saying farewell to his divorced wife he should try to dispossess her of what he had once given her out of his own goodwill. On the contrary, the morals that Islam seeks to cultivate require that at the time of parting the husband ought to present her with a farewell gift. See (verse 241)

In the terminology of Islamic Law this is known as khul', i.e. a woman's securing the annulment of her marriage through the payment of some compensation to her husband. Whatever settlement is made between a husband and wife should come into effect. If the matter is referred to the court, however, it will investigate only whether the wife has really become too disgusted with the husband to put up with him. (For the Traditions on the basis of which the author concludes this see the commentaries on this verse in Ibn Kathir and Qurtubi, see especially the latter, vol. 2, pp. 946-8 - Ed.) Once this is determined the court is entitled to fix the amount of payment incumbent on the wife as compensation for the repudiation of her marriage, and the husband will be bound to accept that amount and divorce his wife. In general, the jurists believe that the payment, thus fixed, should not be higher than the original mahr paid by the husband.

The divorce that comes into effect is irrevocable and brings separation into effect immediately. Since the woman has paid compensation, she has in effect purchased the right of repudiation and the husband, therefore, has ceased to have the right to revoke the divorce. If, however, the spouses agree to recontract marriage, they may do so.

According to the majority of jurists the period of waiting under khul' is the same as under divorce. However, there are several Traditions in Abu Da'ud, Tirmidhi, Ibn Majah, etc., which show that the Prophet fixed the period of waiting at one menstrual period, and that 'Uthman applied this in a case which he decided. (See Ibn Kathir's commentary on the verse.)

فَاِنۡ طَلَّقَهَا فَلَا تَحِلُّ لَهٗ مِنۡۢ بَعۡدُ حَتّٰى تَنۡكِحَ زَوۡجًا غَيۡرَهٗ ؕ فَاِنۡ طَلَّقَهَا فَلَا جُنَاحَ عَلَيۡهِمَآ اَنۡ يَّتَرَاجَعَآ اِنۡ ظَنَّآ اَنۡ يُّقِيۡمَا حُدُوۡدَ اللّٰهِؕ وَتِلۡكَ حُدُوۡدُ اللّٰهِ يُبَيِّنُهَا لِقَوۡمٍ يَّعۡلَمُوۡنَ

(2:230) Then, if he divorces her (for the third time, after having pronounced the divorce twice), she shall not be lawful to him unless she first takes another man for a husband, and he divorces her.253 There is no blame upon them if both of them return to one another thereafter, provided they think that they will be able to keep within the bounds set by Allah. These are the bounds of Allah which He makes clear to a people who have knowledge (of the consequences of violating those bounds).

It is known from authentic Traditions that it is totally illegitimate for a person to arrange the marriage of his divorced wife with someone else on the understanding that the latter will divorce her to make it possible for the former husband to recontract marriage with that woman. Such trickery would in fact be an act of sheer sexual corruption and would not render the woman liable to remarriage with her former husband. According to a Tradition transmitted from 'Ali, Ibn Mas'ud, Abu Hurayrah and 'Uqbah ibn 'Amir, the Prophet pronounced his curse on those who arrange, as well as on those who agree to contract, such fictitious marriages. (See Muslim. 'Talaq', l5, 71; Nasa'i, 'Talaq', 8; Ahmad b. Hanbal, Musnad, vol. 1, P. 314 and vol. 5, p. 334; Al-Muwatta', 'Talaq', 27; Abu Da'ud. 'Talaq'. 10 - Ed.)

Courtesy: islamicstudies.info

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Christianity Etc › Re: Islam Sucks How To Remarry A Woman You Divorce by Empiree: 10:28pm On Apr 30, 2015

Ifeann:
[s]Wow empiree u are contradicting ur Islamic allah aka mohammed. He says several times in the quran that his book is clear and easy to understand. And its quiet clear from the verse that the basilico is right. But u are uncomfortable with what ur quran says hence ur outburst about Islamic scholars interpretations. U make no sense[/s]

Just show me any rebuttal(s) by muslims since you started your crusade that you ever agreed upon?. When you make sense, kindly let me know.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Islam Sucks How To Remarry A Woman You Divorce by Empiree: 9:57pm On Apr 30, 2015

@ basilico, you seem to be frustrating yourself over non-issue. This is simply a matter of fiqh (jurisprudence) that is subjected to scholarly views. They understood it with slight differences. It is non issue at all except that you have ulterior motives. Scholars may have certain parenthesis but that doesnt change the original Arabic meaning of the verse. It's always debatable among scholars not you.

I will be right back here for some details

Christianity Etc › Re: Islam Sucks How To Remarry A Woman You Divorce by Empiree: 9:37pm On Apr 30, 2015

vooks:
Nobody said or suggested its 'much of a problem', we are asking if it is a CONDITION, a MUST that she must have remarried and gotten divorced. Why can't you with your now 'strengthened faith' respond to this sensibly?

I just posted this initially to be sure of your intent. This very simple thing though.

basilico:
Islam, with all the threads which Muslims have been unable to refute is built on power and sexxx life of their prophet.
Kuffar will crush Islam when time comes.

Am sorry, which thread muslims have been unable to refute unless it's repetition?. And tell me at one point you folks admitted muslims ever refuted your claims. Just give me one reference where you people suck up for once

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Christianity Etc › Re: Was Adam Really 90ft Tall? Scientific Proof! by Empiree: 9:28pm On Apr 30, 2015

CHUKWUEZEDIKE:
Yes of course, you are right; Israelites in the time of Jesus spoke Aramaic not Hebrew, even his name clearly shows that.

It is quite funny that people worship what they do not know. The shocking truth is that all religions of the world developed from the pure spirituality of the African people. Judaism, Islam, Obudioha (Buddha), Chindu(Hindu) etc. came from the pure spirituality of the Hebrew people.

People say what they do not know because they have been brainwashed. This is the very reason some foolish ones do criticize the tradition of the Ancient People. He who does not know where he came from would not know where he is going. Allah is neither Satan nor Demon, as a matter of fact, we all came from Allah. Allah can strike anyone who commits atrocities.

I agree with this actually

Allah is Igbo meaning 'Earth Deity'.

Is their a way you can provide textual evidence of this?. What is 'Earth Deity'?

It is quite very funny that even Muslims who worship 'Ala' do not know that they are actually venerating the Earth Deity (Mother of all humans).

Dont get it twisted. Allah is the Lord, Cherisher, Sustainer, Creator of heaven and earth and all that is therein.

A Muslim says that he/ she is 'Islam' because he/she bows to the Earth; this is what is called 'Isi Alam' in Igbo language meaning 'My ritual Obeisance'.

Yes, correct. Your explanation just sound ambiguous. But are you saying Igbos who worship all sorts of idols actually submit to Creator of the world?

Muslims are called 'Surrenderers' because, they are submissive to their all knowing Allah to teach and direct them, so, a Muslim/ Muzlim is one who surrenders (to all knowing Allah);

Again, you are correct.

this word is Hebrew called 'Muzilim/ Muzirim', meaning 'teach me (the way)'.

Interesting. I will like to have reference from Hebrew scripture please(if any). Thanks

The direction religions are going in todays world is actually ethnocentric; people think that God is theirs and Heaven is meant for them alone, and thereby, calling others fetish, demonic, satanic, etc..

Intolerant actually contributes greatly. Are you Igbo man?

Christianity Etc › Re: Islam Sucks How To Remarry A Woman You Divorce by Empiree: 9:00pm On Apr 30, 2015

So you fellas still at it?. Your banter-teasing attacks have shifted now to marriage in Islam?. You continue to strengthen our faith if you dont know. Keep it up. Well, there isnt big deal remarrying your ex. This is very common in western world as well. But i guess your point is must she marry another man before she can remarry her former husband.

That's not much of a problem

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Islam › Re: How Muhammad Was Violating The Quran With Impunity by Empiree: 12:35pm On Apr 30, 2015

malvisguy212:
where in the quran Allah say the scripture has been corrupted? Answer my previous questions and see where it will land you.

You mean regarding surah10:94?
With refereces from Quran and hadith given by me and others in previous threads aren't enough for you?. Dont tell me you did not know we asnwered this time and again.

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Christianity Etc › Re: Photos Of Inside Of Khabah by Empiree: 11:46am On Apr 30, 2015

Ifeann:
Its funny how u often scream cognitive dissonance when in fact, it is u and ur Muslim buddies that are the ones burdened by it. When the fallacy of ur religion is presented to u, ur Brain scrambles for all manner of fictitious reasons and excuses to defend a paedophile and his invention.

You know what's even funny?. You know whats fallacy?. It's when Christians consider carrying their god nailed on the cross to be mockery when in fact they themselves do the very same thing.

Here is example. here you see a christian man carrying his God like ritualist. Christians consider him(Rotimi) "worshiper". But the other picture of Japanese guy carrying god of Christians (pretty much the same thing) is considered mockery by christians. And they are offended. Dont you think you are being silly folks?.

Here is a link to read
http://naijagists.com/photos-japanese-man-makoto-takeuchi-dressed-as-jesus-carrying-cross-during-marathon-in-london-uk/

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