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Justfollowit:
I am still coming for you

me too

truthman2012:
Yes, many handful Jews believed in Jesus.

@underlined, is false. The belief that Jesus is God, the Son of God, or a person of the Trinity, is incompatible with Jewish theology. Jews believe Jesus did not fulfill messianic prophecies that establish the criteria for the coming of the messiah.

How then could you say "many" Jews believed Jesus. That's false

truthman2012:
Islamic Jesus is a fable. He doesn't exist in the real sense. The description of islamic Jesus was not the one born of virgin Mary, whom the true angel Gabriel said shall be called the Son of God (Luke 1:35).

Quran talks about clay bird made by islamic Jesus flying but fails to see the true Jesus healing the sick and raising the dead. Of what significance is a clay bird flying. Allah loves magic.

perhaps you could see why I said earlier to stick to your Bible?. The difference is clear.

truthman2012:
So, you don't know Jesus Christ, whom your quran recognizes?

[Quran 3:45 YusufAli] Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah

I don't think you should worry about Islamic Jesus since you don't believe in that one

Jesuses mentioned on the list are gleaned from your Bible. Stick to that.

truthman2012:
You failed woefully if that is all the Jesus you know. Which of the Jesus you listed is mentioned by allahh in the quran?

@underlined, sorry, the list is from your Bible. Therefore, it has nothing to do with Qur'an.

The one that I know is Isa ibn Maryam (translated) Jesus the son of Mary. The messanger of God.

truthman2012:
Thanks bro. for pasting the man's picture.

The man is full of smile after conversion. I have never seen a joyous muslim cleric, they always look sadistic with their horrible beards like someone who has just ended a meeting with the Devil.

Picture in your mind the alfas and imam you know, you will discover what am saying.

Be careful what you wish for. When I pictured what you just said in my mind, this came to my mind.

truthman2012:
As I have asked Rilwayne, am asking you again: Which Jesus is qualified to receive people in heaven?

Okay, since you chose not to pick the right Jesus from the list, allow me to help you pick one. I will try to be sincere as much as i can by picking suitable one from the profile posted.

Now, Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber. I dont think he fits the spot considering @underlined.



1)- Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites. From the description, this appears to be righteous person who came after Moses and Aaron, the prophets. The problem here is he's called Joshua. But his profile seems decent enough. The only thing that disqualifies him is the name. You said Jesus but this is Joshua.



2)- Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ. Which christ is another question. But then, this Jesus is son of Eliezer. I am not familiar with this profile. I dont know if he's holy person. Therefore, I have to conclude that he's not the one you talking about, correct?



3)- Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel. This appeared to be a revered holy person and the savior of christians who was born some 2000yrs ago preaching Gospel. He seems to be a man nailed on the cross by mortals, whereas, he supposedly a powerful holy man with half human half spirit. The problem here is his last names is Justus which doesn't seem to be what you talking about. Therefore, he doesn't fit the spot to receive people in the heaven.



4)- Jesus "the Son of Sirach" ) the author of the Apocryphal book of Ecclesiasticus. I am not familiar witht this Jesus but I am guessing he's also Son of Holy One. From the Bible his prifile was gleaned from used capital S to suggest he's also son of holy holy. So I am confused. I dont seem to get which Jesus it is.

My final thought is that number 3 is the closest I can choose for you. That's, Jesus Justus, a Jewish christian. Hope this answered your question.

truthman2012:
Who again is Jesus in the Bible that is qualified to receive people in heaven?

You and rilwayne dey make me laugh with questions answering questions. Anyways, let me come in. Since there are more than one Jesus in your Bible, it was just appropriate for rilwayne to ask which Jesus you are talking about. Fair enough?. There Are Many Jesuses In The Bible. So you are in better position to tell him which Jesus Op saw. Let's see those Jesuses you have in your Bible


1) Jesus Barabbas was the captive robber whom the Jews begged Pilate to release instead of Christ.

2) Joshua was the famous captain of the Israelites, Moses' successor (Ac. 7:45, Hebrew. 4:cool.

3) Jesus, son of Eliezer, one of the ancestors of Christ (Luke. 3:29).

4) Jesus surnamed, Justus, a Jewish Christian, associated with Paul in the preaching of the gospel (Colossians. 4:11.) (Strong’s Bible Lexicon)

5.Jesus "the Son of Sirach" ) the author of the Apocryphal book of Ecclesiasticus, who lived in the 3rd century BCE.(Dictionary.com)

Which one truthman?

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Ifeann:
And lastly, English is a very poor language

. No it's not a poor language. Havent you defended it severally?

hence bible translations to English need expert skills and sometimes it is important to use more than one bible translation to fully understand an obscure Greek/ aramaic/ hewbrew word.

Frankly speaking, there is no way you can translate Bible "perfectly" anymore because you have lost the original content. It's impossible for Christians to return to monotheism in Christianity. No way.

This is why no matter how far a Muslim strays from true message of Islam, he(she) can always come back to the original since original copy is still with us. Your ONLY option is Al-Islam. Period.

As a matter of fact, you seem to have conceded to the fact that there exist distortions in the Bible and Christianity. I got you

I use 3 bible translations ; the Jewish orthodox translation(prefered by Jewish Christians) which has the original Hebrew juxtaposed with some English, I also use the New king James version (preferred by protestants) and the Good news version(preferred by Catholics).

Even "original Hebrew" as you called it is not spoken by Jesus(Allah's mercy and peace be upon him). Therefore, it's impossible for you to return to tawheed except you accept Islam and submit your pretty head to Allah, The Only Creator of all things.

I hope I answered all your questions

Ifeann:
However, there are also tonnes of really Good bible reading churches around who truly teach Christ's gospel and message of salvation.

Here we go again. @underlined, kindly name one.....................please.

You have basically made "takfir"(excommunication- declaring another christian apostate) on every single christian, including Popes who simply dont fit your definition of "good christian".

You claimed West are Christians because they invented modern techs. But when atrocities are linked with them, you claimed they are 'secular' and they are not following Christ.

When I pointed contradictions from your Bible versions, you said you only credit King James, catholic and Protestant versions.

But when I faulted KJV citing RSV 's schism against it, you permanently shut up.

When I pointed out various christian pastors from different denominations and their evils and money making "prophecies" and ambitions, you claimed that only Vatican is the true christian nation....following Christ.

When I posted articles from various websites like CNN how pedophilia rampant at the Vatican, you said they (pedophiles) were punished and excommunicated. That they are not following Christ.

Question now is, if Christians that commit sins and crimes are not Christians to you, then who are the real Christians: what defines a true christian since majority are pretty much anti-Christ themselves?. Your op is just another typical example. Churches, especially the Africans are based on "miracles". That's what many go to church for. Be sure to answer the question @bolded

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The Prayer Of Prophet Isa (As) - Poem ~ Z.I. Mahmud

Prophet Isa(AS) prayed to the Creator:
Oh! My Most Kind Allah!
My innumerable thanks to You!
You have created Me without a father!
Only by the word 'Koon'!


When people were blaming my mother's character
At that time, though I was a baby, You gave me the power to prove my mother's chastity!
You have given Me the power of returning people's life when they die!
You have given Me the power to cure the sick!
When my own nation prepared to kill Me, then you take me to the fourth sky!

Okay, this library thread must not die.............................Updated.................................................



Great

Updated.....channelz, ifeann and their gangs

Updated......

@Justfollowit

You should read this

NO, OP IS NOT DEBUNKED. MARTIN VANGAR COMMITED ATTROCITIES ORDERED BY BIBLE GOD. THAT'S WHAT IT IS. STOP GIVING SILLY EXCUSES.

mkmyers45:
Leviticus 20:27
“‘A man or woman who is a medium or spiritist among you must be put to death. You are to stone them; their blood will be on their own heads.

Martin Vangar (Anti-Semite) in 1947 killed a young girl by stoning her and r.aping her

Leviticus 20:18 And if a man shall lie with a woman having her sickness, and shall uncover her unclothedness; he hath discovered her fountain, and she hath uncovered the fountain of her blood: and both of them shall be cut off from among their people.

Martin Vangar (Anti-Semite) in 1954 burnt a young harlot by choking her on a sanitary pad.

Leviticus 21:9
"'If a priest's daughter defiles herself by becoming a prostitute, she disgraces her father; she must be burned in the fire.

Martin Vangar (Anti-Semite) in 1957 killed the daughter of a pastor after prior intercourse with her.

Leviticus 20:16
And if a woman approach unto any beast, and lie down thereto, thou shalt kill the woman, and the beast: they shall surely be put to death; their blood shall be upon them.
Martin again killed a young Jewish girl after coercing to have intercourse with a cow....he killed the girl also..

There are many more examples....

Source: The girl with the dragoon tattoo

I was just wondering how easy it is to use the scripture to justify one’s action even if its wrong...is it justified?

@underlined, yes. Bible justfies his ridiculous actions

[quote author=LightIndarkness post=33588348][/quote]yes

Ifeann:
engaging empiree in a dialogue is a boring and tiresome endeavour, he constantly shows his poor comprehension skills and repeats himself over and over again. I suggest u suspend the conversation, Islamic falsehood and doctrine has wrapped his head.

Of course, no Muslim makes sense to you. Nonsense!

author=channelz post=33605735

Yea, it is always about "peace" after you are scolded. Peace that you dont believe in. Nonsense.

[quote author=channelz post=33604085][/quote]

I did not expect anything better. Your brain is already programmed. Op is very precise but you trying to find excuses that he could not have killed for God. And now aasking me who is most likely predispose? You kidding right. This is kind of nifaq (hypocrisy and deceit) encrypted in christiandom.

You basically telling me he could not have killed for Bible God because of 'other' peaceful bible verses. Now dont tell me muslims have not quoted peaceful verses to denounce extremists. But when we do that, you folks are adamant, obsinate and rebellious in reject of truth. That's bigotry which yourself just exihibited. Get a life hypocrite!

channelz:
A lovely Sunday to you too.

I repeat, what's that nonsense you quoted up there?. That doesnt addres points raised in the Op. Who cares what your NT says! I am not even here for nonsense Law-free NT you quoted which we have debunked severally.

Op is simply saying that Martin Vangar killed for Bible God and you post non-related issue. The point raise is did Vangar kill for Bible God or not.....YES or NO?. It is that simple.

The same thing you did when you cite book haram using twisting islamic text for their gain. Here also, Vangar Martin followed Biblical instructions. Thats the point. Stop quoting nonsense

This is nice. God makes it easy for you. amin

[quote author=channelz post=33591150][/quote]And what's all the nonsense you posted up there . You are not into religion perse but you be a nuisance posting irrelevancies

hadizadeezy:
if you've not seen something like this before, then you don't read hadith as u claimed.

sounds like you don't understand my post

truthman2012:
[Yusufali 4:3] If ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly with the orphans, Marry women of your choice, Two or three or four; but if ye fear that ye shall not be able to deal justly (with them), then only one, or (a captive) that your right hands possess, that will be more suitable, to prevent you from doing injustice.

Here allahh permits muslims to marry up to 4 wives if they can do equal justice to them.

But he seems to have changed his mind on that in the following verse:

[Quran 4:129 Pickthal] Ye will not be able to deal equally between (your) wives, however much ye wish (to do so). But turn not altogether away (from one), leaving her as in suspense. If ye do good and keep from evil, lo! Allah is ever Forgiving, Merciful.

Here, allahh sounds so sure that muslims will not be able to do justice to more than one wife, no matter how much they wish to do so. It shows it is impossible for muslims to satisfy his condition for marrying up to four wives.

Another translation says it is not within the POWER of the muslims to do justice to more than one wife:

Quran 4:129 Shakr] And you have it not in your power to do justice between wives, even though you may wish (it), but be not disinclined (from one) with total disinclination, so that you leave her as it were in suspense; and if you effect a reconciliation and guard (against evil), then surely Allah is Forgiving, Merciful.

The questions arising from this are:

1. Has allahh abrogated polygamy?

2. Since he was so sure muslims would not be able to do justice to more than one wife, why did he enjoin polygamy in the first place?

This guy is getting ridiculous everyday. I dont know why you refused to understand simple, clear and precise verses. Bro, you really need to slow down your bigotry. It blocks your sense of reasoning. This is not healthy at all.

Your op, allegation is false. Polygamy is NOT ABROGATED. 4:3 simply allowed marrying more than 1 wife (conditions attached) i:e justice must be done among them; financially, socially you name it.

4:129
And you will never be able to be equal [in feeling] between wives, even if you should strive [to do so]. So do not incline completely [toward one] and leave another hanging. And if you amend [your affairs] and fear Allah - then indeed, Allah is ever Forgiving and Merciful.

If you have more than one child, I am sure, one way or the other (deep down your heart), even though you dont show it, you love one child more than other, correct?. A husband can always be just with his wives financially, socially and morally etc But there is no way a man can love all of them (including feelings) the same way. To abandon her completely for other wife is what Qur'an forbids. Qur'an understands human imperfection, irregularity, flaw, blemish to be human attributes. Some men can't even be just financially, socially and morally. The verse is simply saying that to err is human but perfection belongs ONLY to God Almighty. No human is 100% except Allah.

One of Allah's Attributes is As-Salaam The Peace and Blessing, The Source of Peace and Safety, The Most Perfect 59:23 http://quran.com/59/23

okay.... updated.

Let's hear from true2God, truthman2012, channelZ, malvisguy2012 basilico. To them, a Christian who committed such atrocious acts is not following bible and its God