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Jarus:This is better. I was rolling my eyes as to why you would rent shops attached to your countryhome. I can't stand the joint. So how's your project now? |
Solarenergy13:Okay, good to know. That means you have to practically measure soemething at the house, right?. Now, how long does average panel last(lifespan)?. This is really cool thing though. I dont have to worry about NEPA or Generator. I am sharing this for record so i can give you a call when i set. Looking at the last picture you posted, is it water resistance in case of raiin and how much negative impact rain has on it? |
Need more info on this. Does the solar panel has to cover the entire roof or what?. How exactly the proccess works?What the capacity?. Are solar panels completely independent of meter reaadings? Solarenergy13: |
Walaikum Salam Dua To Find A Good Spouse To Ask Allah By His Names And Attributes Presence Of The Heart In The Du'a Dua To Find A Good Spouse |
WATCH: On Fox, Geraldo Rivera Compares Pamela Geller to Aryan Nation, Skinheads, KKK https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lm8xzjGMRO8 The Future Of Islam http://www.huffingtonpost.com/imam-khalid-latif/future-of-islam_b_7234036.html?ncid=txtlnkusaolp00000592 |
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danny34:Seconded. Abeg Oga Spyder, help am. |
AlBaqir:I Understood this part. I went straight to the bottom line. Pardoning is always available. |
truthman2012:You not ready to listen are you?. My first post actually explains that. When prophet(saw) came to Medinah he found the Jews(rabbis) weren't enforcing their sharia given to Moses which Jesus also confirmed in your Bible. It would be unruly and disrespective on his part if he had enforced different law on them. Rather, he enforced theirs. The same way Muslims at that time used to face Jerusalem in their salat. It was after it became clear that the Jews had not only rejected him but conspired to kill him just like they did to Jesus, that he was ordered by Allah to face makkah. He enforced their law according to their Torah. That was the only stoning he ordered in his blessed life. When Quran came down, the old law is now abrogated but it's still their in your book which Jews and Christians must follow. The only way for Jews and Christians to do away with old law is to embrace Islam. Lobatan |
Demmzy15:u mean the first video zikr in cycle ? im just having fun with it. |
true2god, you see why Islam is right on adoption. Come read. This si not adoption case but slavery. Source:- http://naijagists.com/photos-nigerian-doctor-nurse-wife-facing-trial-in-london-uk-for-using-man-as-houseboy-for-24-years/ |
Blackfire:tell me more.....please |
basilico:I honestly did not know which section it's. so you are welcome to contribute. Again, I think you missing my point. You have the same penalty in your holy BOOK but you shamelessly abandoned it. so u have no right whatsoever to try any mess with us |
ogbeni, if I were you I would be shamed. This thread it's not really about Christians but I do welcome your contributions. My point is you should be concerned about your scripture because it's mandated therein that penalty for adultery is stoning to death. So if you think you can make fun here you are definitely kidding. Your law stands. Base on my studies of this subject, I maintained that previous laws revealed to prophets Moses and that which Jesus also confirmed are abrogated by Quran. which means if you insist Christianity is the way, you must accept law and punishments established in your holy book. There is nothing in the bible to suggest that Jesus abrogated old laws. My point is I'm proud that Muslims somehow believe "stoning" is mandated in Islam and they are ready to implement it. We are ready to enforce what you Christians shamelessly abandoned. So don't cry foul if a Christian is caught in the act in Muslim countries and penalty of rajm- stoning is pronounced on the fellow. so I say we enforced your law not ours and am proud of it. truthman2012: |
Abuamam:I dont worry much about Quranite. I disagree with him mostly on obligatory duties and some others. But he makes valid points sometimes. No, my position is not about debating orthodox. I am part of the orthodox. But they definitely got some things wrong. This is not because of sects. I am not even talking about sect here. I dont belong to one. I generally listen to any and all scholars. It always comes back to what THEY think of our laws. This has been opening doors to our 'apologisers', where we undermine the sources of Islam because we need to be ingratiating.How I wish i can agree with you but unfortunately, this is not the case for me. I dont worry about what they think of Islamic Law so long as the law in question is backed with evidence. What you do not seem to understand is that Islam is not to be taken piecemeal. It is a BODY of laws. That her daughter is menstruating is not an immedeate obligation to marry her off to an old man and have him instantly initiate sexual contact. That is the flaw in her question and it is the understanding of xtians, when they debate our laws.I agree with this. This is brilliant exposition. But dont get me wrong, please. I hold the view that puberty in islam is when a girl experiences her cycle not age. I dont defer on that. I only defer on Aisha's age. I would have believed related hadith on Aisha(RA)'s age IF there is no another conflicting hadith. The later contradicts the former. Scholars only bid on the former ignoring the later. |
Abuamam:Walaikum Salam This conclusion is wrong, and the approach is worse;Let's see may Allah forgive us all.Amin You cannot just abrogate and unabrogate at will. There are many established proofs for stoning being prescribed for married men and women; and that this verse is specific. There is also sufficient evidence that the prophet (saw) stoned for adultery AFTER the revelation of this verse of surat al Nur (which was not about Aisha by the way; Allah forbid). NL is just not the place for extracting such rulings; so read up on the issue more exhaustively.@underlined, not at all. This is scholarly opinion as well. This is something I have been studying now for almost 6 yrs. I understand 'evidences' in the hadith and I used to hold on to such view. Let me make it clear that this is not a matter creed. It's a matter of methodology. http://islamqa.info/ar/179886This link doesnt seem to be it. It's in Arabic but then its translation doesn't suggest any correlation with this topic. You probably got the wrong one. But trust me, I read on abrogation from islamqa few months ago. Humm, brother, it's indeed same thing i believed growing up. They are big holes and confusions with such approach. I will explain below. It may interest you to know that the prohibition of rajm for adulterers was first endorsed by the Khawarij, then the Mu'tazila. None of the Khulafa, or companions doubted its authenticity. All carried out the punishment after his (saw) death.Now, pardon me here. My writing here may be a little long. I want to detail as much as I can to avoid repeating myself. On the issue of abrogation you raised, I have to admit that I have digressed from some mainstream understandings/interpretations of certain rulings. And I will tell you why. Again, this is a matter of methodology. I believe they got their methodology wrong. I want to avoid mentioning names of scholars or their descriptions while writing this. Please understand that this is not just my own made up. This is scholarly opinion as well. That is, some scholars who also disagree with mainstream ruling on abrogation. I believe that when Qur'an talks about abrogation of any verse, it is not talking about verses within the Quran. It refers to law revealed in previous holy Book like Tawrat and Injil. This is the proper methodology. If you disagree, you are going to have problem with non-muslims who seek to understand why would Allah abrogates His own Law (within Quran). It creates confusion. Not only that, it is also in conflict with famous saying that "Quran is complete". I will take the issue of rajm as a case study. There is hadith associated with Umar ibn Khattab (RA) which states that there used to be a verse in the Qur'an (that is no longer there) with respect to rajm(stoning). Ref:Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:82:816 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4194. We Muslims pretty much succumbed to this narration. I am not in position to determine authenticity of this hadith. But one thing is clear using 'proper methodology'; that, it's only Allah and His messanger that have the right to tell us which verse of the Quran or if a verse was missing. The implication of holding on to such narration is that it degenerates status of Quran. It means saying 'Quran is complete' is false (auzubillah). I dont think they realize this implication. Please correct me if I am wrong. That aside, if the narration was true, it would be impossible to have same copy of Quran worldwide letter by letter, word for word. Fact is, it doesnt matter how authentic a hadith might be even if it is in sahih, if it's in conflict with Qur'an's standard, I am sorry, it just doesn't fit here. I notice few months ago when malvisguy raised this question about abrogation. He was repeating it over and over but no Muslim was able to answer him. Answer provided by islamqa website that you provided is not pertinent to his question. It creates confusion and doubt. Make no mistake. I read their post on abrogation of Qura'n, I tell you, it contradicts our very claim that Qur'an is complete. This is why you see bigots keep making fun of that, like "Allah doesn't keep His word". Who created this platform for them?. Our Ulama. Does this mean they are deficient in their understanding?, absolutely not. Sometimes their shortcomings are as a result of unavailability of the data. Islam (Qur'an) is to be understood with time without changing its original meaning. I had to explain to malvisguy that there is no abrogation in the Quran....that it is referring to old laws. That puts him in permanent state of shut up. This is not just my opinion. There are scholars right now who share my view. A muslim can not win such argument with malvisguy using "abrogation rulings" recorded and accepted by our Ulama. Few months ago, I was listening to a lecture by a Nigerian scholar who was talking about hudood(punishment) in general until he got to rajm. He repeated the same thing that 'punishment' for adultery is "stoning" yet he has Qur'an in front of him. And right there he narrated hadith by Umar(RA) on live TV that a verse of Quran was missing. What message are you people sending to christian missionaries when such careless statement comes out of learned scholar?. The problem they have is methodology. There is no verse missing in the Quran. The correct methodology is Quran being one and only guarantee Book sits in judgement over hadith. It does not matter how authentic hadith is. If Qur'an and Hadith are saying different things on the same topic, proper methodology is to hold on to Qur'an first. But this doesnt mean throwing out the hadith. No. Sahih al-Bukhari, 8:82:816 see also Sahih Muslim, 17:4194 I was reading on Sirat nabiy some 3 yrs ago and also listen to sheik on an interesting story of Muhammadﷺ's encounter with Jews in Medina. He found that they did not enforce the hudood in their tawrat. The incident happened that two(2) adulterers (male and female) were brought to him. The Jews actually wanted to 'set him up'. A test of his prophethood i:e his claim as a prophet. It was said that Jews never enforced the law on adulterers. The accused were brought to him and witnesses testified or confession was made by the accused. Prophetﷺ asked that Rabbi should read 'punishment' from their Holy Book, the tawrat. While Rabbi was reading, when he got to the point to declare the penalty, he covered the spot and read over it. Rosulﷺ reprimanded him, asked him to lift his finger. Then he read the penalty "rajm". Prophetﷺ sanctioned it. It was the first time the Jews ever witnessed such act carried out. They knew right there that the man was indeed a prophet but they chose they hate him (but they hate him more because muslims turned away from Jerusalem to Masjid-Haram). It was after that wahi (revelation) came down abrogating their law of stoning. Law of abrogation is FULL TIME. Not part time. It's like saying we should face Jerusalem for fajr prayer every other fajr or we should face Kaaba every other fajr if we are to accept the idea of stoning for married, flogging for unmarried. I am not aware of stoning after old law was cancelled. I will like to see some scholarly statement on that if you have any. Thanks My understanding is the allegation that a verse prescribing stoning as the punishment of adultery by a married man or woman is without sound foundation. Hadith can not, will not ever and ever abrogate Qur'an.........Never! I hope you understand that this is not aqeeda issue. It's opinion based. I am not trying to window dress Islam to make non-Muslims feel good. Case of Camel urine quoted by bigoted lady is typical example. I stood by the hadith even though it sound mucky. I stood by it because, being a medical staff myself, I know those pills you and I take contain animal product Most likely, Albaqir will agree with you on this than me ![]() I also notice that you tend to 'weaken' any hadith that does not 'fit' your view of what Islam should be... like the age of Aisha (ra) on her marriage, etc, simply because the non-Muslims use it to mock Islam. The approach is not tenable. If you wish to deem a hadith 'weak', you need to explain what you think is wrong with the isnad or matn; or the approach that you followed in arriving at your conclusion. You don't just say 'the hadith cannot be correct' offhand.Again, this is a matter of methodology. It's not just by my own thoughts. I learned this stuff from some scholars as well. These scholars fault some mainstream narrations without window-dressing Islam. That's absolutely not the case. Example of that is sura Maida Ayah 51, mainstream tafsir of the ayah is too literal. That's not where I am going. My focus is on Aishat's age(RA). This is really my subject. I can talk it all day long and I dont care what non-muslims say. I understand your mainstream view on this already and i used to as well. I have watched mainstream scholars for some time and their responses are (sorry to speak), pathetic. I shall provide example without mentioning names. It was a large gathering. The YouTube video was probably 10 mins long. Most part was questions and answers. After the sheikh finished lecture, a sister asked "what if my baby starts menstruating at age 6 is she a woman and to be married off?. His response was if a girl menstruates at 6 (in our modern time), she's a woman. The lady was permitted to ask another question "even if she's married off to grown man?". Sheikh said I understand what you mean and how you feel. Bottom line is she's a woman. Now, I don't personally know the length between first menstruation and second menstruation and third menstruation. My understanding is prophet(SAW) said her third cycle should be done at her husband's house (i:e married). I don't know if it takes years to experience second monthly cycle from the first. Maybe any sister can help me with this, please. My point, if it takes some years from the first experience, it makes sense to marry because by the time she experiences the third cycle, she's grown up. If however 1st, 2nd and 3rd cycles are at close range, say within 6-7 yrs of age, believe me, she's still a child. Sheikh I mentioned above replied on the hadith associated with Aishah's age being 6. Implication is, he applied age 6 literally to our modern time which he confirmed in the video. The same sheikh in another video, when answering whether music is haram, he said 'music as we know it today is haram'. I certainly agree with him on that. But girl age 6 in our modern time? No. When Qur'an addresses issue of Aishah(RA), it portrays her as a woman. Not a child. The other argument mainstream used was a 6 yr old girl at that time was 'big'. Hum, bro, trust me, I use this argument if i want to be wacky with bigots. What they say doesn't bother me but it's never my 'official' creed on this issue. Here is the implication of the above method. First, mainstream appeared to have accepted this tradition because it's in "sahih hadith". If you accept this, that a 6 yrs old girl at that time was 'big', the implication of this is there is another hadith quoted by usermane portraying a 6 yr old Aisha playing dolls with her friends. Playing with dolls is characteristic of a child. This hadith, which I deliberately refused to quote here refuted such unfounded excuse. Usermane was right when he said this is blasphemy coming from what he termed "orthodox Muslims". I agree with him on this. You have to understand that there are some folks playing games with hadith. I have learned from scholars that they have placed hadith on electronic(computer) to be able to edit them. I am telling you, some of them are not in Sahih (tangible) book. So no, I do not believe the narration attributed to our mother Aisha's age being 6. This hadith was fabricated. You may disagree though. There should be little room for NOT answering non-muslims questions especially in cases like this. Some of them make fun like "hey if you ask muslims about this and that, they gonna tell you 'Allah knows best'". This is making fun of us. That's why in most cases, i am able to answer some silly things they post because I have been learning proper methodology for 6 yrs now. It helps. Let me give you example. A brother opened a thread some yrs back or maybe he was answering questions regarding prophet's marriage to Aisha(PBUT). It was questions about tawhid in the beginning until the whole thing turned around. A christian asked his view about 54 yr old's marriage to 6 yr old Aisha. The brother said that's "culture, it has nothing to do with Islam". A christian said 'but you said your prophet is a role model for everything". The brother replied same as above. Then the christian guy said does that mean we can not trust your prophet on the issue of marriage then?. That was the end of the thread. The thread still open. I just don't have idea where it is. Reading from the thread, the christian was 'sincere' in his quest for knowledge even though he might be frivolous at some point. So I sometimes do not use mainstream view in debate. This is why many brothers here can not squash usermane. The guy is smart. But he can't crush them either. I was silently reading their arguments back and fourth last yr until i jumped in between. He had to give up on me because my method was different. He said it himself that he gave up on me. He studied and truly captured mainstream ideology and used it against them. Sorry for the long-winded post. Allah knows best.Truly, He is |
AlBaqir: kazlaw2000: Abuamam:Shukran, Jazakallah khyran brothers |
Just learned my grandfather just passed away this afternoon after asr prayer. May Allah have mercy on his soul. Amin |
9jaforlife:correct. They aren't interested. That's why u see them talk about "attaqiyah" at everything we say to undermine us. But they want us to believe that violence verses in their book is explainable, justifiable and understandable. But that of islam is not excusable according to them. That's why anytime she tries to explains uncomfortable verses from her book, giving excuse like it's metaphorical, i simply turn her down |
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